JC success/dominance

[bleudog]

I disagree.

1. TALENT
2. TALENT
3. TALENT

Then the other things...

No other class 2A team in the history of Arkansas high school football has put more talent in the next level than JC. Not to take anything away from Carpenter but I could have won with those teams from 12-14...

These are from the year Carpenter's system "kicked in" before LaLaLand started keeping up with non-California teams.

1998   10   1   2A Second Round   Carpenter
1999   11   1   2A Quarter Finalist   Carpenter
2000   10   2   2A Second Round   Carpenter
2001   11   3   2A Semi Finalist   Carpenter
2002   12   2   2A Semi Finalist   Carpenter
   54   9   85.7%   
   


These are from the point where LaLaLand recognized the 49 other states

2003   15   0    59.80    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2004     9   3    27.10    2A Semi Finalist   Carpenter
2005     9   4    27.80    2A Semi Finalist   Carpenter
2006   11   2    26.90    2A State Runner-up   Carpenter
2007   10   2    23.20    2A Quarter Finalist   Carpenter
2008   13   0    37.60    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2009   13   1    40.80    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2010     8   4      8.90    2A Second Round   Carpenter
2011     9   2    29.90    2A Semi Finalist   Carpenter
2012   14   1    41.10    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2013   13   0    37.40    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2014   13   0    41.50    2A State Champion   Carpenter
2015     7   3    (0.04)   2A Second Round   Carpenter
2016     8   4      6.10    3A Second Round   Carpenter
2017   13   1    32.40    3A State Runner-up   Jones
   165   27   85.9%   


It would be interesting to see what the '99 team's Calpreps power rating would have been.

[bleudog]

Which is all very true, but having an extra 25-50 male students helps too. If you were compared to Strong, Foreman, Mineral Springs, etc.

Closer to 15-20 total LA male students in 10-12 grades,  and approx 50% of those play football.... so, 7-10 maybe..... and 3 or 4 of those might be starters most years.  I think this year only 2 out of 6 start.   The funny thing about your comment is,  JC isnt even the largest 2A school.  There are 8 2A schools larger than us, including one that's only a few miles away.

I don't think 'loma is referencing the kids from the south part of the district whose parents renew their car tags somewhere other than Union County.

I made the same point earlier.  There are large 2A schools that don't have strong football teams and small 2A schools that have strong football teams, but overall, if I were a coach, I'd rather be in a large 2A school than a small one.

18-19   10   11   12   Total
Junction   54   51   53   158
Fordyce   53   57   45   155
Parkers   55   59   40   154
Woodlawn   47   55   45   147
Hampton   48   45   44   137
Bearden   32   35   42   109
Hermitage   39   33   34   106
Strong   16   25   28   69


https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/ReportList/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=29&search=hazen&pagesize=10

[paraloma]

I don't think 'loma is referencing the kids from the south part of the district whose parents renew their car tags somewhere other than Union County.

18-19   10   11   12   Total
Junction   54   51   53   158
Fordyce   53   57   45   155
Parkers   55   59   40   154
Woodlawn   47   55   45   147
Hampton   48   45   44   137
Bearden   32   35   42   109
Hermitage   39   33   34   106
Strong   16   25   28   69

Mineral Springs 35  25  26  86

No reference to where the kids live, only that they attend JC.

Assuming 50% boy to girl ratio  151/2 = 75.5   86/2 = 43

75.5 - 43 = 32.5 that's almost 3 football teams

[dragondad]

No reference to where the kids live, only that they attend JC.

Assuming 50% boy to girl ratio  151/2 = 75.5   86/2 = 43

75.5 - 43 = 32.5 that's almost 3 football teams

32 =3 football teams??  Maybe if you're playing 8 man

[tacklethis...]

32 =3 football teams??  Maybe if you're playing 8 man

How many kids go both ways on JC's team this year?

[dragondad]

Maybe the AAA should force schools with 100 or less in 9-11th grades to play 8 man football.

[dragondad]

How many kids go both ways on JC's team this year?

Not sure,  I think roughly half of the starters.

[bleudog]

Maybe the AAA should force schools with 100 or less in 9-11th grades to play 8 man football.

And don't let larger schools drop down to 8-man.

Looking at student populations, Woodlawn should have done pretty well in 8-man.

147/2 = 73.50

If one in three boys played, that would be a 24-player roster.

[bleudog]

I disagree.

1. TALENT
2. TALENT
3. TALENT

Then the other things...

No other class 2A team in the history of Arkansas high school football has put more talent in the next level than JC. Not to take anything away from Carpenter but I could have won with those teams from 12-14...

Am I missing any of the D-I folks?

Payne - NLULM (+NFL)
McKinnon - stAte
Jones - U of A
Turner - U of A
Bell - U of A
Dancy - LA Tech

[dragondad]

Am I miss any of the D-I folks?

Payne - NLULM (+NFL)
McKinnon - stAte
Jones - U of A
Turner - U of A
Bell - U of A
Dancy - LA Tech

Gibson - ASt walk on

[THA TRUTH]

Cole that went to UCLA and KP brother Gerod went to ULM as well

[Wilson]

Cole played at UCLA when I was in high school. . and I'm 46 yrs old

[bleudog]

Cole played at UCLA when I was in high school. . and I'm 46 yrs old

Class of '84

He spoke at a recent graduation.

https://unbreakable-knights.org/coaching-staff

[Wilson]

I remember watching him when he played in high school. . .his route to UCLA was unconventional to say the least. . .I remember Coach Hux one day telling me he was now at UCLA. . .not many people in JC had any clue he was there.

[Ppl_plz]

By the way, the QB, both RBs, the Center/kicker, the WR, two big O-lineman, two LBs.... all AR kids.  Every kid that scored on Foreman was an AR kid.

True! 😁

[HorseFeathers]

So with all that said...JC is playing for their 7th title since 2003, plus the fact they have been runner two of those years if my stats are correct. That's pretty impressive.  That's PA and GW impressive. So why is JC dominant? And let's not throw out the old cliche's of "want it more, work hard, etc".  Is it genetics? Is it system, coaching, scheme, tradition? JC is a small school that doesn't have move-ins like other larger schools, so they are doing it with kids that had parents, grandpappies, uncles etc. play there. Lets discuss...

[Hasbeen92]

I suggest y'all seek counseling on this matter maybe arbitration

[Rida4Life]

As someone who sees the JC program mainly from the outside.  Perception is that JC's kids don't entertain the idea of losing.  They don't seem to fear anyone.  They "expect" victory and know what it takes to achieve it.  Weight room and conditioning certainly play a role but you cannot deny the talent difference JC has over the bulk of their competition.  They might not "always" be the most talented team on the field but I'd say 90% of the time they are.
I for one have never thought coaching played a major role as far as Friday nights, but their coaches did what they had to do Monday-Thursday and Friday night takes care of itself... kind of the Nolan Richardson philosophy. 
Regardless of exactly how it's been done, they have certainly built a monster.

I like that their parents and community buy in.... I hear stories all the time about "WHINY" parents at that other school about their size just up the road.... and honestly the success level probably speaks to the way parents have or have not bought in as much as the kids.....

[cuz]

As someone who sees the JC program mainly from the outside.  Perception is that JC's kids don't entertain the idea of losing.  They don't seem to fear anyone.  They "expect" victory and know what it takes to achieve it.  Weight room and conditioning certainly play a role but you cannot deny the talent difference JC has over the bulk of their competition.  They might not "always" be the most talented team on the field but I'd say 90% of the time they are.
I for one have never thought coaching played a major role as far as Friday nights, but their coaches did what they had to do Monday-Thursday and Friday night takes care of itself... kind of the Nolan Richardson philosophy. 
Regardless of exactly how it's been done, they have certainly built a monster

I like that their parents and community buy in.... I hear stories all the time about "WHINY" parents at that other school about their size just up the road.... and honestly the success level probably speaks to the way parents have or have not bought in as much as the kids.....

This is a nice post. I was looking on FB and come across this post by a teacher, this says it all....

Our JCHS Dragons travel to LR to play for another state championship at 7:00 tonight. That group of young men, coaches, cheerleaders, and band members have a special place in every true fan's heart in our Dragon community! I dearly love all of my students and players of all sports from the past 18 years I have been at JC, but this group of young men has truly amazed me this season with their actions towards other teams and supporters. They have picked up opposing players when down, overcome criticism and doubt when the game was not in our favor, hugged, posed for pictures and high-fived all the little Dragons fans who idolize them, prayed with opposing teams, and most recently, hugged the opposing team's quarterback before celebrating our own victory last week. These boys and coaches are determined to prove their worth but in a humble way. That makes any teacher and fan so proud to be part of the JC Dragon Family. I pray for safe travels for all, good sportsmanship and no injuries, and of course, a Dragon Victory tonight!!  Go Dragons! Win State! 💜💛💜💛💜💛💜💛💜💛💜💛

[bearbacker52]

sam from jc told me once that they had a scrimmage in jc between the arkie boys and the la boys. the la boys mercy ruled the homies. so the more la boys jc is not gonna turn um away. that would be foolish.

[dragondad]

sam from jc told me once that they had a scrimmage in jc between the arkie boys and the la boys. the la boys mercy ruled the homies. so the more la boys jc is not gonna turn um away. that would be foolish.

Not sure when this scrimmage occured, but if it was in the last 6 or 8 years they must have played 6 on 6, or 8 man because that's all the LA boys weve had on a team in years.

[POWERCAT PRIDE]

Not sure when this scrimmage occured, but if it was in the last 6 or 8 years they must have played 6 on 6, or 8 man because that's all the LA boys weve had on a team in years.

JC Dad are you counting the Louisiana boys who's grandparents, uncle or cousin had an Arkansas address and an extra bed during the season? 

[Hornet4ever]

Junction City is good because that's all they know. They have had down years, although those are few and far between. This school has a winning tradition and doesn't accept anything less. Dedication is a must to be a contributing factor. I don't know the ratio of kids in town who play/don't play, but I would suspect it's pretty good. I'm from a small town, sadly our small town borders one of the state's most successful football programs (Greenwood). We've had numerous players leave and go to Greenwood who have been standouts. In Junction, all you know is Junction, unless someone goes to El Dorado.

But why would they? These kids know if they go to Junction and put in the work and sweat they will likely go to a state title if not win it all! I'm sure some of the LA kids have helped in the past, which is just an added bonus for JC. But that isn't all of it, it's so much more. I don't see an end in the near future, but maybe one day things will fizzle in JC. However, for now I don't see a change. The upcoming kids know the ropes and what they have to do to be successful!

[amehr36]

I hear for Christmas we're gonna get 120 5 star recruits bussed up to us...

[Draonpride06]

Do people really believe that the athletes from Louisiana are so superior to one's from Arkansas that having a few on the team makes for dominance?

[Draonpride06]

2006:  Hoof - Easter - Cook 
The J Team.

Played with the Justins. They were an incredible groups of backs.

[THA TRUTH]

Played with the Justins. They were an incredible groups of backs.

Bro u misspelled dragon.....

[i40traveler]

Do people really believe that the athletes from Louisiana are so superior to one's from Arkansas that having a few on the team makes for dominance?

No I don't think thats what people believe.  Its the fact that it's an added advantage for JC that they get to (basically) pull from a much larger school district than other schools do, no different than a free private school.  I mean the kid that was up for defensive player of the year from JC had "Louisiana Bred" or something like that on his twitter account

[bleudog]

No I don't think thats what people believe.  Its the fact that it's an added advantage for JC that they get to (basically) pull from a much larger school district than other schools do, no different than a free private school.  I mean the kid that was up for defensive player of the year from JC had "Louisiana Bred" or something like that on his twitter account

JC "pulls" from a geographic area that is roughly a 10-12 mile radius from its campus.  There are no other school facilities on either side of State Line Road in this circle.  There is no large population area in the circle. There's no picking and choosing.

The Louisiana kids who attend JC attend the school closest to their front door.

[i40traveler]

JC "pulls" from a geographic area that is roughly a 10-12 mile radius from its campus.  There are no other school facilities on either side of State Line Road in this circle.  There is no large population area in the circle. There's no picking and choosing.

The Louisiana kids who attend JC attend the school closest to their front door.

I understand it from the kids POV.  I'm talking about from all the other 2A schools in the state.  12 mile radius is like 75 miles.  How many other  2A schools have 75 miles of school district to pull from?

[HorseFeathers]

I understand it from the kids POV.  I'm talking about from all the other 2A schools in the state.  12 mile radius is like 75 miles.  How many other  2A schools have 75 miles of school district to pull from?

https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=5e7a6d86fdc94b6f99b430ea4bc43048

[bleudog]

I understand it from the kids POV.  I'm talking about from all the other 2A schools in the state.  12 mile radius is like 75 miles.  How many other  2A schools have 75 miles of school district to pull from?

You're going to have to explain that math.

I live in Arkansas, near the northern edge of the district, and I'm eight miles from the school.

Most of the Louisiana school kids live within 6 miles of the school.

I would think there are quite a few kids in quite a few districts who might live 20 miles or more from their school.

And I assume most of those districts, like JC, consist of a lot of rolling hills, pine trees, swamp and/or farm land.

[POWERCAT PRIDE]

You're going to have to explain that math.

I live in Arkansas, near the northern edge of the district, and I'm eight miles from the school.

Most of the Louisiana school kids live within 6 miles of the school.

I would think there are quite a few kids in quite a few districts who might live 20 miles or more from their school.

And I assume most of those districts, like JC, consist of a lot of rolling hills, pine trees, swamp and/or farm land.

I think he got his "Pi's are round and Pi's are squared" mixed up or something. Maybe calculated the volume of a sphere instead of area of a circle? 

[bleudog]

I think he got his "Pi's are round and Pi's are squared" mixed up or something. Maybe calculated the volume of a sphere instead of area of a circle? 

Some folk's cornbread r square too.

And some folk's cornbread ain't done in the middle. 

[i40traveler]

What is area of a cirlce?  pi x  r^2?  I may have underestimated my answer.

[bleudog]

What is area of a cirlce?  pi x  r^2?  I may have underestimated my answer.

I thought that might have been what your were trying, but you missed by a boat load.

JC serves 206 square miles in Union County (page 16 of this link:  https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/240447/2018-2019_Annual_Report_to_PUBLIC2.pdf) and probably half again or that much south of State Line Road.

If there were not a state border about six blocks south of campus, the combined north and south "districts" would look little or no different than other rural districts in Arkansas. 

And as HF's link showed, the Arkansas side of the district is far from a semi-circle.

(If you ask real nice, I bet PC P might take you down to Hollis' and you can see just what a densely populated an area we're talking about).

[dragondad]

Theres more than one 2A school that pull from a larger square mile area than we do and have fewer kids.  Theres also those that pull from a smaller area and have a larger enrollment.