Jerry Perry going back to Mayflower

[cdelaney]

Classy

So was this something that happened at the Perryville/Mayflower game? I don't remember hearing about it before, which is surprising as much more boring stuff gets on FF so easily. It sounds like a player got mad, threw off his jersey, stormed out, and flipped off the crowd? Did the coach also act crazy, or the kid's dad? Inquiring minds want to know.

[smallybells]

It wasn't at the Perryville game, it happened before that and it wasn't the coach that got escorted out. I don't want to beat a dead horse, the bottom line is it was inexcusable behavior all the way around but that is just my opinion, if they are fine with it at that school then so be it.

[METFAN44]

AR Hardball, He coached 4......AD, TL, HL AND JB, you obviously don't know what you are talking about!
Apparently you are from the area so do a little bit better on your research or stop bringing it up!

[jr17]

Smallybells
You act like this is taboo to see in high school sports these days. It happens everywhere. Let's stop judging the man from something he did in the heat of the moment. No it wasn't particularly smart or right. But it happened. Everyone at mayflower is over it. It's in the past. We just want to watch our team play ball.

[METFAN44]

Just so you guys on here know, i've read plenty of posts over the years and really enjoy the site, and i'm sorry that it took this incident to finally get me on here posting. I appreciate everyone's opinion. I would like to add that the kid did not "flip off the crowd". He was angry and did something he shouldn't have, but please don't make him out to be a bad kid, as a matter of fact he is an excellent kid-one of the best teenagers that i know-he made a mistake by taking that jersey off and he will tell you that and his dad will say the same. That kid has a burning desire to win and unfortunately he was put in a situation where he let his actions get the better of him. I love the kid and i don't want any more negativity brought his way. Thanks for listening.

[cdelaney]

Just so you guys on here know, i've read plenty of posts over the years and really enjoy the site, and i'm sorry that it took this incident to finally get me on here posting. I appreciate everyone's opinion. I would like to add that the kid did not "flip off the crowd". He was angry and did something he shouldn't have, but please don't make him out to be a bad kid, as a matter of fact he is an excellent kid-one of the best teenagers that i know-he made a mistake by taking that jersey off and he will tell you that and his dad will say the same. That kid has a burning desire to win and unfortunately he was put in a situation where he let his actions get the better of him. I love the kid and i don't want any more negativity brought his way. Thanks for listening.

I'm good with that. I think it is very reasonable to forgive a kid for acting out and the coach and parents know the kid and know if it is a one and done sort of thing, and therefore he deserves another chance.
I am always more alarmed when parents or fans get too crazy in the stands, or work to undermine the coach. Nothing good can come from that. A coach may need to go, but during the middle of the season is not the time.

[AR hardball fan]

Just so you guys on here know, i've read plenty of posts over the years and really enjoy the site, and i'm sorry that it took this incident to finally get me on here posting. I appreciate everyone's opinion. I would like to add that the kid did not "flip off the crowd". He was angry and did something he shouldn't have, but please don't make him out to be a bad kid, as a matter of fact he is an excellent kid-one of the best teenagers that i know-he made a mistake by taking that jersey off and he will tell you that and his dad will say the same. That kid has a burning desire to win and unfortunately he was put in a situation where he let his actions get the better of him. I love the kid and i don't want any more negativity brought his way. Thanks for listening.

I agree the kid seems to be a good kid. Have spoken to him a few times in passing. A lot of things are done in the heat of the moment that we all wish we could take back. I was wrong in bashing the kid on his actions.
I am not from the Mayflower area but do attend quite a fee games of theirs, I have friends that sons play on all theirs teams. Wasn't aware that said father coached JB, I watched them play in peewee basketball and don't remember him but I am aware he moved away and maybe that's why I don't remember him. Honestly AD hasn't start but 3 of the games I have seen. The point of disrespecting other player was made because 2 years ago sat behind the young mans father as he screamed about how bad one of his sons teammates was playing. And that the coach should be fired. Opinions on the coach maybe founded but in the middle of a gym during Regionals is not the place to make your feelings known.  The worst was that the kids father he was screaming about was sitting 2 rows in front of him.
I imagine that the father of this player is a good guy and just gets caught up in the game and emotions, but from what I have been told it's like this almost every game. I have heard he was a really good coach and I have seen is teams in action, well coached and tough to beat.
Wish this post would go back to the topic of Perry returning Mayflower and what that means for their team.

[Hogwild#9]

Smallybells
You act like this is taboo to see in high school sports these days. It happens everywhere. Let's stop judging the man from something he did in the heat of the moment. No it wasn't particularly smart or right. But it happened. Everyone at mayflower is over it. It's in the past. We just want to watch our team play ball.

[METFAN44]

He screamed at the kid for the way he was playing because he is still their coach! The coach at Mayflower is mediocre at the very best! He taught them how to play and if the kid was not doing what he was taught, then yes he will definitely scream at them, like most coaches do! If you do not know the man then why bash him? BTW, the  kid attended Guy two years ago, so again get your facts straight before posting!

[jr17]

Welcome to FF metfan.

[AR hardball fan]

He screamed at the kid for the way he was playing because he is still their coach! The coach at Mayflower is mediocre at the very best! He taught them how to play and if the kid was not doing what he was taught, then yes he will definitely scream at them, like most coaches do! If you do not know the man then why bash him? BTW, the  kid attended Guy two years ago, so again get your facts straight before posting!

You are right I was speaking of the young mans Freshman year. But assure that the kid he was screaming at was never coached by him. 

[SouthpawSensation]

This thread has potential.

Yes , to end in a fist fight . . .

Or a lockdown ... whichever comes first.

[neds]

Probably best , way off topic now

[jr17]

I'm gonna go with lock down for 200 alex

[DogsWin7]

I concur

[3ADude]

The problems I see are as follows:

1. Player quit in the middle of game disrespecting the coach, teammates, fans, etc.  Different than an issue in practice.  Coach or admin mised this allowing player to return.
2. Dad flipped off everyone on leaving gym.  Once again admin at fault for ever allowing him to return (also not his first offense)
3. The Dad is not the coach currently so regardless of his opinion of the coach he needs to let coaches coach and players play during the game.
4. Players that are discused on this thread both left Mayflower program and returned to Mayflower.  If things are so bad there and coach is so bad... why return...maybe the grass wasn't greener on the other side.

This has nothing to do with what a great kid someone is or how much work a dad has put in.  It is about behavior that is not accecptable and should not be tolerated.  What is this teaching our kids?  I am sure some will differ with my opinion and I am ok with that.  That's why it is called an opinion.

[DogsWin7]

I love the kid and i don't want any more negativity brought his way. Thanks for listening.

thanks for joining fearless.

[BigMan15]

The problems I see are as follows:

1. Player quit in the middle of game disrespecting the coach, teammates, fans, etc.  Different than an issue in practice.  Coach or admin mised this allowing player to return.
2. Dad flipped off everyone on leaving gym.  Once again admin at fault for ever allowing him to return (also not his first offense)
3. The Dad is not the coach currently so regardless of his opinion of the coach he needs to let coaches coach and players play during the game.
4. Players that are discused on this thread both left Mayflower program and returned to Mayflower.  If things are so bad there and coach is so bad... why return...maybe the grass wasn't greener on the other side.

This has nothing to do with what a great kid someone is or how much work a dad has put in.  It is about behavior that is not accecptable and should not be tolerated.  What is this teaching our kids?  I am sure some will differ with my opinion and I am ok with that.  That's why it is called an opinion.

Heres the thing i have coached my son during the summer for more than 5 years and sometimes i have to bite my tongue but if u respect the coach u will let him do his job..i would assume its hard on a job when parents are yelling from the stands telling their kid what to do..if there was a prolbem it should be discussed between the parent and coach and player behind closed doors...

[METFAN44]

Bigman 15, i agree totally, the thing is at Mayflower you're not afforded that luxury. There is also no respect for the coach or administration and there is none given. The program itself is a stagnant pool and no one seems to care, thus when you have people who do care they are demonized by the admin and in the community as being trouble makers. I'm assuming that any school with a legitamate "program" wouldn't understand. Since the parents/community have no forum to speak they feel as if they have no say and can't be heard, and as we all know when you aren't being heard you begin to yell to be heard, and that is exactly what you have in this case. Again, i apologize for sounding negative on this forum and don't mean to vent, i really do enjoy reading everyone's opinion on this topic as well as all of the others. It all boils down to a lack of communication......i assume that all good programs have plenty of it!

[neds]

How is Jerry?

[METFAN44]

Golden, as far as i know......we'll see tomorrow night at Jessieville. I'm looking forward to seeing him in action again. Hopefully he breathes new life into the team, they could use a shot in the arm.

[BigMan15]

Jerry could do a lot for this team on amd off the court seems like a great kid and i know hes a great player...

[3cats]

Is southwest Christian a private or a prep school. And does the aaa consider those one and the same.  I personally do not think it should matter   all should be governed under the same rules. He has played at another school should have to sit 365 like a kid from a public school would ha e to.  The aaa needs to treat everyone the same

I think it is different for a "non-member" school. It is a private school but not part of AAA. It does seem to be a loophole in the rule, as I know if he had played at another private school that was a AAA member he would have to sit the 365. But I have to believe that he and his family has checked that out or he wouldn't be doing this, since this is I believe his last year to be eligible to play  HS basketball.
If he is eligible by current rules, more power to him and Mayflower; the coach will have to handly whatever impact there is on team chemistry, etc. But I imagine the rules will be revised to close this exception in the future.

that is not the way it has worked in Searcy.  Kids have left Harding academy and get to play immediately at Searcy or Riverview

[jr17]

Metfan
are you going to jville tomorrow?

[METFAN44]

I am indeed! Definitely not missing my girls play!

[soldier]

Golden, as far as i know......we'll see tomorrow night at Jessieville. I'm looking forward to seeing him in action again. Hopefully he breathes new life into the team, they could use a shot in the arm.

So, I guess he's playing according to your post. I wonder how that will work out for the team that has been there before he decided to come back for whatever reason?  The coach is a joke!  The administration is even worse for letting this crap go on!

[jr17]

Well. It's not the administration's fault? It's clearly stated in AAA rules that this is legal. As far as the coach, yes I believe in everyone getting a fair shake. But perry has played his butt off for that team for the past two seasons. At the end of the day, it's about putting the best players on your team on the court.

[smallybells]

I'm going to give a couple closing statements here, I'm not High School age, not from Mayflower and was just giving my opinion on a situation I had knowledge on. I don't know the player or others involved. I was just expressing my opinion on what took place and what the consequences would have been from my outdated point of view, which again is irrelevant. I also think the AAA better close the loophole on this other situation, that being said, I don't wish bad will on any HS athlete or program. I just voiced my opinion and maybe I ruffled some feathers, but that wasn't my intentions. A player allowed to still play or another one coming back hasn't made a difference in this neck of the woods since Clinton was president. Good luck to all and I look forward to a exciting Region/State tourney.

[soldier]

Well. It's not the administration's fault? It's clearly stated in AAA rules that this is legal. As far as the coach, yes I believe in everyone getting a fair shake. But perry has played his butt off for that team for the past two seasons. At the end of the day, it's about putting the best players on your team on the court.
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Not really...it's about a team, teamwork, and dedication. That's as far as I'm willing to go on this situation, but you can message me, and I will be happy to explain.

[doubled]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple. 

[smallybells]

This rule should be closed in the future. Arkansas never had a centralized prep school program until lately. You don't jump the fence and then come back home in the last part of the season. If a good athlete moves from one district to the other he is ineligible for a year. Again, it makes no difference to me personally but if AAA doesn't fix the rule it will be an ongoing problem and degrade the conference again and again.

[cdelaney]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple.

One of the most ridiculous and incorrect posts I've ever read on FF which is saying something!

[jr17]

Doubled
You are obviously uneducated. The rule we're speaking of is for non AAA schools. The private schools you speak of are AAA affiliated. I know there is a rule stating that if you go from public to private, you have to sit out a year of varsity.

[Hogwild#9]

Smallybells
You act like this is taboo to see in high school sports these days. It happens everywhere. Let's stop judging the man from something he did in the heat of the moment. No it wasn't particularly smart or right. But it happened. Everyone at mayflower is over it. It's in the past. We just want to watch our team play ball.

/quote]
This scene is not a common scene in high school when you have a coach who has control of his team and his players respect. Mayflowers coach was a good coach 20 years ago and knows a lot about the game but the game has evolved and he has not so it's time for him to go. He will make a wonderful full time athletic director. However the kid that quit should not have been allowed back on the team. If I was the coach I would not had been disrespected like that in front of my team and fans. Everything the kids dad is yelling is usually right but he needs to find a different way to state his opinion. Yelling and acting crazy at games is not the correct way to fix things. He needs to find a civilized way to go about it. This team has a lot of issues. Goodluck to Mayflower! Their is more to basketball then Wins and losses. This game builds character and a coach can impact his players for a lifetime. I learned a lot from high school football and I don't remember a single x or o. I learned how to be a man and how to care for other people. Just remember that fellas.

[3cats]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple.

The rule actually hurts private schools, not public schools

[cdelaney]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple.

Like Jr said, he is moving from a non-member (non-AAA) school to a member school, has nothing specifically to do with private schools as there can be public schools that are non-members.
But this deal about the wealthy people making the rules and sending their kids to private schools? Don't know anyone at AAA who fits that description. And every eligibility/classification rule devised over the past 10 years or so has been designed to hurt the private schools, not help them. Kids move with impunity from one public school to the other and play right away, often to follow a coach or to go to a better program. If they move to a private school they sit a year. Even if a kid moves at the start of high school (9th grade) he/she has to sit a year. I know of a family whose daughter moved from a  public middle school to private between 7th and 8th grade. She could not participate in 8th grade volleyball for a year! I understand the concerns about recruiting, and although much more recruiting seems to be going on now in public schools rather than private, I get the reasons for the rules. Just don't try to claim the AAA is made up of people trying to help the privates.

[neds]

jr17 can you post score updates on the today's scoring thread tonight?

[Eagle20]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple.

Like Jr said, he is moving from a non-member (non-AAA) school to a member school, has nothing specifically to do with private schools as there can be public schools that are non-members.
But this deal about the wealthy people making the rules and sending their kids to private schools? Don't know anyone at AAA who fits that description. And every eligibility/classification rule devised over the past 10 years or so has been designed to hurt the private schools, not help them. Kids move with impunity from one public school to the other and play right away, often to follow a coach or to go to a better program. If they move to a private school they sit a year. Even if a kid moves at the start of high school (9th grade) he/she has to sit a year. I know of a family whose daughter moved from a  public middle school to private between 7th and 8th grade. She could not participate in 8th grade volleyball for a year! I understand the concerns about recruiting, and although much more recruiting seems to be going on now in public schools rather than private, I get the reasons for the rules. Just don't try to claim the AAA is made up of people trying to help the privates.
Well said!

[doubled]

The people that write the rules are the same wealthy people that send their kids to private schools. Point is they aren't going to change them they like to say to a kid come play at a private school and if u don't like it u can go back great tool for recruiting.  Why do you think private schools win so many state titles the rich make the rules just that simple.

Like Jr said, he is moving from a non-member (non-AAA) school to a member school, has nothing specifically to do with private schools as there can be public schools that are non-members.
But this deal about the wealthy people making the rules and sending their kids to private schools? Don't know anyone at AAA who fits that description. And every eligibility/classification rule devised over the past 10 years or so has been designed to hurt the private schools, not help them. Kids move with impunity from one public school to the other and play right away, often to follow a coach or to go to a better program. If they move to a private school they sit a year. Even if a kid moves at the start of high school (9th grade) he/she has to sit a year. I know of a family whose daughter moved from a  public middle school to private between 7th and 8th grade. She could not participate in 8th grade volleyball for a year! I understand the concerns about recruiting, and although much more recruiting seems to be going on now in public schools rather than private, I get the reasons for the rules. Just don't try to claim the AAA is made up of people trying to help the privates.
Well said!

I've noticed that when a subject is this sensitive then there's something wrong. Let's put it this way private schools should play private schools only are prep but not public that simple. I was at harding academy the other night and counted at least 15 state titles they've won in the past 10 years.

[neds]

Yes , Harding is a very good school. Lots of tradition and success there.
How did Jerry do last night?

[Radiotalker]

Who's Jerry Perry?

[arkhoops94]

Who's Jerry Perry?

You will find out soon enough.. The kid can flat out play.

[jr17]

Radiotalker
That's some serious bait you got out.
perry played okay last night. As one would imagine he still has to get back in the flow with his teammates. They did get beat in a very close game. I expect it to be a different game.next time around. Go Eagles!!

[Hogwild#9]

Arkhoops
That's some serious bait you got out.
perry played okay last night. As one would imagine he still has to get back in the flow with his teammates. They did get beat in a very close game. I expect it to be a different game.next time around. Go Eagles!!

The "savior" could not save the day ha

[jr17]

I was unaware the word "savior" ever came up in this thread.

[smallybells]

I wonder when the AAA closes this loophole if it gets named the JP rule.

[WPWells]

Here are my thoughts on this:

I'm not bashing the kid at all. If he wanted to go back to Mayflower because he didn't like it at SCA, fine. That's his prerogative. I'm not going to bash the AAA. While it's a stupid rule, it's still the rule that's currently in place so that's not their fault. The person that I think failed here is the Mayflower head coach. The kid made the conscious choice to leave Mayflower and go play at another school because he thought it was a better opportunity? And then he comes crawling back and you act like nothing happened? I lose all respect for the coach when I see him allow something like this. He deserted his teammates, and then you just allow him to come back like nothing happened

[Longfellow]

+100

[PASS]

12th man, your post is conflicting. You don't blame the player at all. Then when you are trying to blame the coach, you talk about how he came crawling back & he deserted his team mates. It doesn't add up. I'm sure you are like me & don't have any idea what really happened behind the scenes, so it would be wise to not throw around blame, unless you have info that you haven't shared. If so, please enlighten us. For the record, I don't know coach or player involved. Just hate to see people get bashed by uninformed posters. Once again, if you have behind the scenes info that you are firsthand witness to, then please speak up. Otherwise don't bash someone who has devoted their life to helping young men.

[bobcats]

12th man, your post is conflicting. You don't blame the player at all. Then when you are trying to blame the coach, you talk about how he came crawling back & he deserted his team mates. It doesn't add up. I'm sure you are like me & don't have any idea what really happened behind the scenes, so it would be wise to not throw around blame, unless you have info that you haven't shared. If so, please enlighten us. For the record, I don't know coach or player involved. Just hate to see people get bashed by uninformed posters. Once again, if you have behind the scenes info that you are firsthand witness to, then please speak up. Otherwise don't bash someone who has devoted their life to helping young men.

I like how some people don't believe there should be consequences to their actions.  You make a decision to transfer to a school, you should have to live with the consequences of that decision for the school year.