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Title: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2015, 12:02:14 am
I have always cared about the basketball Hogs and will support them no matter how bad it gets this year! They got the win against Southern to start the year tonight. Kingsley goes for 22 and Hannahs goes for 21. I was thinking it was going to be a disaster of a season but I am starting to lean towards we actually put up some fight at least. I still think we only get 5 or 6 conference wins but I don't see us being an embarrassment as I had anticipated.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2015, 06:15:52 pm
What channel is the game on?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2015, 06:19:37 pm
It is airing on the SEC Network which I don't get  :-\ ..... I have to settle for the Pac 12 Network where I bandwagon the Ducks of Oregon on the side.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ~WPS~ on November 18, 2015, 06:27:56 pm
Tonight's game isn't on tv. It's on SEC Network+ aka watchespn.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2015, 06:28:18 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 18, 2015, 06:36:34 pm
And it doesn't start until 7:00
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 18, 2015, 08:05:51 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 18, 2015, 06:36:34 pm
And it doesn't start until 7:00

And we have no offense again.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2015, 08:15:24 pm
Yup. Long season ahead.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 18, 2015, 08:45:31 pm
Akron is good for a MAC team, but Arkansas isn't good. I expected a long season, but I hoped maybe I'd see something tonight that would give me hope. It'll be a long two months between football ending and baseball starting
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2015, 09:07:31 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 18, 2015, 08:45:31 pm
Akron is good for a MAC team, but Arkansas isn't good. I expected a long season, but I hoped maybe I'd see something tonight that would give me hope. It'll be a long two months between football ending and baseball starting

That is exactly what I was thinking. Losing to a MAC team appears bad and should never happen but Akron will be right there with a team or two in deciding who gets their conferences bid. We should be able to take Charleston Southern next game. Then we got some tougher ones against ACC teams.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2015, 09:57:55 pm
Sigh.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: VHSCoach2 on November 18, 2015, 10:11:11 pm
Lost to a MAC team? Are we sure the football team didn't take the court tonight?

I kid, I kid...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 19, 2015, 09:54:59 am
Quote from: VHSCoach2 on November 18, 2015, 10:11:11 pm
Lost to a MAC team? Are we sure the football team didn't take the court tonight?

I kid, I kid...

Baseball opens up against a MAC team, seasons over there, too........
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: VHSCoach2 on November 21, 2015, 12:33:04 pm
Rebounded (no pun intended) with a nice win over Charleston Southern last night.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Hornet4ever on November 21, 2015, 10:40:12 pm
Arkansas basketball is going to be a challenge this season.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 22, 2015, 12:03:53 am
I think the bball team will be ok. The NBA has destroyed the sport for worse. The NBA is not basketball. I hate it. Basketball is a team sport. College was always the epitome of that.  Kids that wanted to prove their worth to get paid. Now you have the crap we have now. NBA is so individualized it is pathetic. If basketball doesn't change to baseball rules, college will become more pathetic than it is now. Why is anyone surprised that lower tier teams loaded with seniors win more than they used to win?  They actually understand the game. I am ready for one of them to win it all. It's coming.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on November 22, 2015, 12:23:32 am
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on November 22, 2015, 12:03:53 am
I think the bball team will be ok. The NBA has destroyed the sport for worse. The NBA is not basketball. I hate it. Basketball is a team sport. College was always the epitome of that.  Kids that wanted to prove their worth to get paid. Now you have the crap we have now. NBA is so individualized it is pathetic. If basketball doesn't change to baseball rules, college will become more pathetic than it is now. Why is anyone surprised that lower tier teams loaded with seniors win more than they used to win?  They actually understand the game. I am ready for one of them to win it all. It's coming.
+ 1
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on November 22, 2015, 12:24:22 am
Is beard done?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 22, 2015, 12:31:15 am
No
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 22, 2015, 12:33:44 am
No. He will be back December 19. I actually think Arkansas will be ok because there isn't a star. They will play basketball. Hannahs can flat shoot. I honestly think the Hogs will benefit from Monk not being there. They have 3 of top 5 jucos, along with the returning players. They will play hog ball. They will win. And win a lot. I played. I got more pride out of stealing the ball and getting an assist then jacking shots up around three defenders. I couldn't stand BJ young. He shot with 4 players on him. PASS. Everybody is open. None of the 1 and done teams will win the title this year. It'll be a team loaded with team players.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 25, 2015, 09:15:18 pm
We take on Georgia Tech for anyone wanting to catch the basketball Hogs or flip back and forth between them and the NFL on Turkey Day tomorrow. Georgia Tech has thumped Green Bay UW-Green Bay & Cornell, have a 2 point win over Tennessee, and an bad one point loss to East Tennessee State. Give a good game boys! That's all I am hoping for.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 25, 2015, 10:17:17 pm
I hope we win!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 26, 2015, 02:50:32 pm
We're awful
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 26, 2015, 03:07:12 pm
It's going to be a long season as we suspected. We've got some more scoring guards coming in next year, but unless Arlando Cook can score in the paint, we'll still struggle against any good teams.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 26, 2015, 05:58:40 pm
Hannah's can flat out shoot.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2015, 06:17:03 pm
You have to have big men who can score.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 26, 2015, 06:25:15 pm
I think they did a poor job of utilizing Kingsley. Whitt needs to stop looking for a shot. Just shoot when it's there. Bell is a spot up only shooter. I think if they make Hannah's option 1 and Kingsley 1a, they can make a little noise. It either needs to go to Kingsley, or Hannah's on first pass. They were so obviously overplaying Hannah's. Whitt will benefit once he creates off of of a pass from one of those two
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 27, 2015, 01:05:01 pm
Up 60-45 on Stanford right now.


Our bench is not deep at all.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: VHSCoach2 on November 27, 2015, 01:34:11 pm
Stanford finished the game on a 21-1 run to win 69-66.

Absolutely pitiful.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 27, 2015, 01:43:36 pm
Kingsley and Bell fouled out
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:45:09 pm
Still should have been able to hold a 15 point lead I would think.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 27, 2015, 01:48:01 pm
We don't have any other scorers besides Hannahs
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 27, 2015, 02:09:57 pm
Wow
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 27, 2015, 04:54:18 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.

It shouldn't have mattered, we again don't have the mental toughness to finish games out. I'm getting real tired of this.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on November 27, 2015, 05:57:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 27, 2015, 04:54:18 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.

It shouldn't have mattered, we again don't have the mental toughness to finish games out. I'm getting real tired of this.

I doubt that you expected much out of this year.  We'll have ups and downs.  Probably more downs.  MA can't work miracles...  If he could, we'd still have Portis, squalls an Beard.  Ok... Miracle worker an bondsman...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 06:14:00 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.
It just shouldn't have had to come down to a couple of calls is all I'm saying. We have to be able to close games like that out and not have to worry about things like officiating.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 27, 2015, 09:39:56 pm
Arkansas Basketball...down swing again...it seems that's all we have is down swings...no up swings...

Bring in Gruden...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2015, 01:45:18 am
Up swing last year. But for sure down this year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on November 28, 2015, 08:46:04 am
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 06:14:00 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.
It just shouldn't have had to come down to a couple of calls is all I'm saying. We have to be able to close games like that out and not have to worry about things like officiating.

Teams like Kentucky, Duke, Kansas don't have to worry about officiating.  We're not there, may never be.  I'm just going to enjoy watching MA teams play hard.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 28, 2015, 10:23:52 am
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 05:57:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 27, 2015, 04:54:18 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.

It shouldn't have mattered, we again don't have the mental toughness to finish games out. I'm getting real tired of this.

I doubt that you expected much out of this year.  We'll have ups and downs.  Probably more downs.  MA can't work miracles...  If he could, we'd still have Portis, squalls an Beard.  Ok... Miracle worker an bondsman...

Correct, I didn't/don't expect much this season, but losing on a 21-1 spurt to close out the game is unacceptable. Also, Stanford is not very good, fact. So, yes, I was expecting to win this game.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 28, 2015, 10:54:25 am
Stanford won the NIT last year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on November 28, 2015, 11:38:55 am
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 28, 2015, 10:54:25 am
Stanford won the NIT last year
And Arkansas played in the ncaa tournament....that was last year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on November 28, 2015, 02:43:48 pm
When it comes to college sports, recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. If you can't recruit, you will not win. Simple as that. On rare occasions, you have coaches with actual talent that underachieve (i.e. Memphis). What we'll see with Arkansas this season is the result when you lose your best players to the NBA and are left with players that no other big time schools heavily wanted.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 28, 2015, 02:53:23 pm
Quote from: pioneers on November 28, 2015, 11:38:55 am
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 28, 2015, 10:54:25 am
Stanford won the NIT last year
And Arkansas played in the ncaa tournament....that was last year.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on November 28, 2015, 03:15:19 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 27, 2015, 09:39:56 pm
Arkansas Basketball...down swing again...it seems that's all we have is down swings...no up swings...

Bring in Gruden...

LOL Venny! I grew up in my early years with Sutton and Nolan watching the Hogs and immolating the moves with the fellas on the playgrounds and driveways. To have been so far up for so many years and the after Nolan years, well it just seems like we will never have the type of success that we had for so long. I just don't see it happening for a long time. I don't see Anderson bringing in the type of players that can lead us to a consistent top 20 program. We may win more than we lose but not by much. Plus we play in suk bball conference. I hate watching SEC games other than KY.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 28, 2015, 08:17:03 pm
Quote from: InYoGrill on November 28, 2015, 03:15:19 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 27, 2015, 09:39:56 pm
Arkansas Basketball...down swing again...it seems that's all we have is down swings...no up swings...

Bring in Gruden...

LOL Venny! I grew up in my early years with Sutton and Nolan watching the Hogs and immolating the moves with the fellas on the playgrounds and driveways. To have been so far up for so many years and the after Nolan years, well it just seems like we will never have the type of success that we had for so long. I just don't see it happening for a long time. I don't see Anderson bringing in the type of players that can lead us to a consistent top 20 program. We may win more than we lose but not by much. Plus we play in suk bball conference. I hate watching SEC games other than KY.
Yep, me too...I am so sick of this crap...it seems like we are always in some sort of drama. Let's face it, it starts at the top...or it does at other schools...Arkansas is snake bit...Sheeeeezzzz...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 28, 2015, 08:18:32 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 28, 2015, 10:23:52 am
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 05:57:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 27, 2015, 04:54:18 pm
Quote from: mack on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:47 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 27, 2015, 01:36:10 pm
We would have held on if the officials had called the offensive foul on Stanford or Hannahs getting hit on the arm
Up 60-45 and we score 6 the rest of the way. Thats crazy. We shouldnt need refs to bail us out when we are up 15.

It's not a bail out.  The guy pushed off with his left arm.  It was obvious.  This team is not good enough to overcome poor officiating.

It shouldn't have mattered, we again don't have the mental toughness to finish games out. I'm getting real tired of this.

I doubt that you expected much out of this year.  We'll have ups and downs.  Probably more downs.  MA can't work miracles...  If he could, we'd still have Portis, squalls an Beard.  Ok... Miracle worker an bondsman...

Correct, I didn't/don't expect much this season, but losing on a 21-1 spurt to close out the game is unacceptable. Also, Stanford is not very good, fact. So, yes, I was expecting to win this game.
Normally you are wrong...lol...but you are spot on here... ;D
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 28, 2015, 08:20:20 pm
Quote from: Romeo on November 28, 2015, 02:43:48 pm
When it comes to college sports, recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. If you can't recruit, you will not win. Simple as that. On rare occasions, you have coaches with actual talent that underachieve (i.e. Memphis). What we'll see with Arkansas this season is the result when you lose your best players to the NBA and are left with players that no other big time schools heavily wanted.
Yep and we can't even get the big time recruits in our backyard...that speaks volumes...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2015, 11:14:22 pm
We didn't have as good a shot at Monk as many might think. We aren't the only ones losing hometown kids to out of state schools.

Get rid of MA and then who's coming in? Really. Name one coach that would been able to keep Mink in state against Kentucky
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 29, 2015, 12:28:56 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2015, 11:14:22 pm
We didn't have as good a shot at Monk as many might think. We aren't the only ones losing hometown kids to out of state schools.

Get rid of MA and then who's coming in? Really. Name one coach that would been able to keep Mink in state against Kentucky
Gruden...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2015, 12:35:46 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 29, 2015, 12:28:56 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2015, 11:14:22 pm
We didn't have as good a shot at Monk as many might think. We aren't the only ones losing hometown kids to out of state schools.

Get rid of MA and then who's coming in? Really. Name one coach that would been able to keep Mink in state against Kentucky
Gruden...
I could see that lol
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 03, 2015, 03:58:37 pm
Arkansas won the other night...anybody care? Wake tonight...anybody out there?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 03, 2015, 04:23:16 pm
No and no
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 03, 2015, 05:19:55 pm
Quote from: 12th Man CHS on December 03, 2015, 04:23:16 pm
No and no
lololololololol...Okay...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 03, 2015, 05:30:49 pm
I'm kinda done with Arkansas basketball this year. I'll be bored for the month between football and baseball
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on December 09, 2015, 09:09:24 am
Pretty good win last night against a decent team.  If we shoot well, we'll be in a lot of games.  if we don't, we'll  get killed.

Here's to shooters!

BTW, watched Miami and Florida last night as well.  Florida plays a lot like we do.  NLR's   Kevaughan Allen looked pretty bad......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on December 09, 2015, 09:29:50 am
I would like to get to at least 7 conference wins... I can dream right? And that was a solid performance last night.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 09, 2015, 09:40:02 am
Evansville has the highest rating of any team we've played so far. Pretty good win
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 10:13:25 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 09:09:24 am
Pretty good win last night against a decent team.  If we shoot well, we'll be in a lot of games.  if we don't, we'll  get killed.

Here's to shooters!

BTW, watched Miami and Florida last night as well.  Florida plays a lot like we do.  NLR's   Kevaughan Allen looked pretty bad......

Someone posted some shooting stats on him on HV the other day, definitely struggling, but he hasn't quit shooting!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 11:20:10 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.


Are you crazy Mack?? He should have had four 4* lined up and ready to go, any good coach would have done that.............sarcasm/off.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on December 09, 2015, 01:46:01 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 11:20:10 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.


Are you crazy Mack?? He should have had four 4* lined up and ready to go, any good coach would have done that.............sarcasm/off.

Ha you old rice grower you.....  I know, I know... any 4-5 star recruit out there is chomping at the bit to come to Fayetteville, AR to play basketball. 
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Hootie on December 09, 2015, 03:08:17 pm
The fact that some are disappointed when this team loses a game.... This team is awful and we all knew it was coming. I'm with Mack, as long as I see the effort Mike demands then I can appreciate that. Go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 03:29:18 pm
Quote from: Hootie on December 09, 2015, 03:08:17 pm
The fact that some are disappointed when this team loses a game.... This team is awful and we all knew it was coming. I'm with Mack, as long as I see the effort Mike demands then I can appreciate that. Go Hogs!

Yeah, I'm not expecting much, but was very disappointed in the 21-1 run at the end of the Stanford game. I attribute that to coaching.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 09, 2015, 04:06:10 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2015, 11:14:22 pm
We didn't have as good a shot at Monk as many might think. We aren't the only ones losing hometown kids to out of state schools.

Get rid of MA and then who's coming in? Really. Name one coach that would been able to keep Mink in state against Kentucky

Its not hard to recruit somewhere when you have the right coach that knows how to recruit. I think most people would say Starkville, Mississippi is arguably the least desirable place to go in the SEC. Yet, Ben Howland, who's been on the job for about nine months, has gotten six four star players to commit or sign with Miss. St and was able to keep Malik Newman, a five star player and the tenth overall prospect in the country, from going to Kentucky.

Can you honestly say if Bill Self was the coach at Arkansas that it would have been that easy of a  choice for Malik to go to Kentucky?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2015, 06:19:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 11:20:10 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.


Are you crazy Mack?? He should have had four 4* lined up and ready to go, any good coach would have done that.............sarcasm/off.
MA doesn't recruit well Rice, face it. We should have been deeper and we should have had plans knowing those two were going NBA...MA is a descent coach, but not a good recruiter.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 06:51:15 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2015, 06:19:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 11:20:10 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.


Are you crazy Mack?? He should have had four 4* lined up and ready to go, any good coach would have done that.............sarcasm/off.
MA doesn't recruit well Rice, face it. We should have been deeper and we should have had plans knowing those two were going NBA...MA is a descent coach, but not a good recruiter.

Well, if you believe some of those in the know, they both were coming back, I have no idea. We have a good class for next year, but that's next year. I think he needs a young recruiter, and I realize TJ is that guy, but is he really? Maybe Watkins will retire when Manny graduates and he can hire another recruiter.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2015, 07:25:30 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 06:51:15 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2015, 06:19:41 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 11:20:10 am
Quote from: mack on December 09, 2015, 10:16:24 am
Man, we just lost two NBA quality players.  The lure of easy money cost us 2 more contributors from last year's team.  MA is not God, he can't be expected to not take a step back with that type of attrition.  None of it was his fault. 

I just want to watch this year's team and enjoy how hard they play.


Are you crazy Mack?? He should have had four 4* lined up and ready to go, any good coach would have done that.............sarcasm/off.
MA doesn't recruit well Rice, face it. We should have been deeper and we should have had plans knowing those two were going NBA...MA is a descent coach, but not a good recruiter.

Well, if you believe some of those in the know, they both were coming back, I have no idea. We have a good class for next year, but that's next year. I think he needs a young recruiter, and I realize TJ is that guy, but is he really? Maybe Watkins will retire when Manny graduates and he can hire another recruiter.
I didn't know there was a chance for Portis and Qualls to come back...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Hootie on December 10, 2015, 11:16:41 am
Quote from: ricepig on December 09, 2015, 03:29:18 pm
Quote from: Hootie on December 09, 2015, 03:08:17 pm
The fact that some are disappointed when this team loses a game.... This team is awful and we all knew it was coming. I'm with Mack, as long as I see the effort Mike demands then I can appreciate that. Go Hogs!

Yeah, I'm not expecting much, but was very disappointed in the 21-1 run at the end of the Stanford game. I attribute that to coaching.

That was downright awful too I watched it live.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 13, 2015, 10:42:47 am
Starting to like how this team is playing as of late. Even though we lost to Wake Forest, we had a good performance. Durham looks good and has very few turnovers. The bigs are playing well and Hannahs and Bell are shooting the ball well.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 13, 2015, 12:44:57 pm
There isn't just a ton of talent, but man no one can discount the effort that this team plays with
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on December 13, 2015, 06:56:39 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 13, 2015, 12:44:57 pm
There isn't just a ton of talent, but man no one can discount the effort that this team plays with

Right on...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Hootie on December 15, 2015, 07:03:12 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 13, 2015, 12:44:57 pm
There isn't just a ton of talent, but man no one can discount the effort that this team plays with

Mike's style rewards effort too. Controlled effort but nonetheless, effort. You cannot replace hustle.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 16, 2015, 10:30:18 pm
The UALR basketball team just might end up some taking attention from Arkansas this season. For basketball purists they're a fun team to watch. Great team ball and defensive play. The Trojans are currently undefeated at 9-0 and are ranked number one in the country in scoring defense.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on December 16, 2015, 10:36:09 pm
Quote from: Romeo on December 16, 2015, 10:30:18 pm
The UALR basketball team just might end up some taking attention from Arkansas this season. For basketball purists they're a fun team to watch. Great team ball and defensive play. The Trojans are currently undefeated at 9-0 and are ranked number one in the country in scoring defense.

I actually came across them for the first time today.... no juggernaut wins but a few on there were very good wins. I will be rooting for them to win their regular season conference title and the tournament to get a NCAA bid. The wins on the road against San Diego State, Tulsa, and Depaul(the last one by 22 points) were very nice wins.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on December 17, 2015, 10:59:06 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 16, 2015, 10:30:18 pm
The UALR basketball team just might end up some taking attention from Arkansas this season. For basketball purists they're a fun team to watch. Great team ball and defensive play. The Trojans are currently undefeated at 9-0 and are ranked number one in the country in scoring defense.

You mean the Little Rock Trojans, they no longer go by Arkansas-Little Rock.  :)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 17, 2015, 11:17:26 am
They're the team that represents UALR.  Every player on the team attends UALR.  Every coach and staff member on the team is employed by UALR.  People are going to call them UALR.  Why would you not want to use the name your school?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 17, 2015, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on December 17, 2015, 10:59:06 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 16, 2015, 10:30:18 pm
The UALR basketball team just might end up some taking attention from Arkansas this season. For basketball purists they're a fun team to watch. Great team ball and defensive play. The Trojans are currently undefeated at 9-0 and are ranked number one in the country in scoring defense.

You mean the Little Rock Trojans, they no longer go by Arkansas-Little Rock.  :)

His mama named him Clay, I'mma call him Clay.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: VHSCoach2 on December 19, 2015, 12:36:11 pm
Anyone who has been to a Razorback basketball game before:

How long before tip do they usually open the doors?

I'm heading to NLR tonight to watch the game against Mercer, which starts at 7.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 19, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
Quote from: VHSCoach2 on December 19, 2015, 12:36:11 pm
Anyone who has been to a Razorback basketball game before:

How long before tip do they usually open the doors?

I'm heading to NLR tonight to watch the game against Mercer, which starts at 7.

I want to say 90 minutes, but I've never been that early. I usually try to be in my seat 10minutes before tip.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 19, 2015, 01:38:05 pm
It's 90 minutes
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on December 19, 2015, 09:16:14 pm
Ugggghhhhh
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:19:57 pm
Wow. Mercer.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on December 19, 2015, 09:22:37 pm
Another bad loss for the Razorbacks, these used to be automatic at BWA, on a brighter note glad to see Beard back a little rusty
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on December 19, 2015, 09:34:40 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.
I've always respected MA, with him the expectations are always gonna be higher, being linked to those great memories of past, your right the talent level just isn't there, but hopefully with 3 of the top 5 juco recruits already committed it has to get better. We have to figure out a way to keep top in state talent though (Kevaugh Allen, Malik Monk) that what concerns me most, we have to get these guys in our own backyard before others will come along
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 19, 2015, 09:49:13 pm
Y'all are acting like Mercer is a sister of the poor. They aren't a bad team. We should've beaten them, but they aren't bad
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on December 19, 2015, 09:55:55 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 19, 2015, 09:49:13 pm
Y'all are acting like Mercer is a sister of the poor. They aren't a bad team. We should've beaten them, but they aren't bad
They aren't bad, but they were scheduled as a cupcake win, before conference starts.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 10:00:34 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 19, 2015, 09:49:13 pm
Y'all are acting like Mercer is a sister of the poor. They aren't a bad team. We should've beaten them, but they aren't bad

We should never lose to mercer. Period. Just like the football hogs should never lose to the citadel.

I'm willing to swallow a bad year. But will everyone else? Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on December 19, 2015, 10:14:28 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 10:00:34 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 19, 2015, 09:49:13 pm
Y'all are acting like Mercer is a sister of the poor. They aren't a bad team. We should've beaten them, but they aren't bad

We should never lose to mercer. Period. Just like the football hogs should never lose to the citadel.

I'm willing to swallow a bad year. But will everyone else? Time will tell.
+1, Akron and 20 point blown lead to Stanford? I think MA can turn it around, but recruiting is what's hurting, and kids thinking their ready before they actually are
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 19, 2015, 10:23:42 pm
Duke lost to mercer two years ago
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on December 19, 2015, 10:46:55 pm
Quote from: Stewie on December 19, 2015, 10:23:42 pm
Duke lost to mercer two years ago
you can't compare them to now it was 2 years ago. That's like comparing Charleston this year to 2 years ago doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 19, 2015, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.

And that's on him. Recruiting is just not his strong point.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 19, 2015, 11:38:52 pm
My comment about Duke losing to Mercer was in response to the notion that we should "never" lose to Mercer
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on December 19, 2015, 11:54:13 pm
I think he recruits just fine. He has 3 of the top 5 jucos in the country coming in. If Monk isn't bought out, then that is a top 10 class next season and immediate threat. Those guys with what will come back will be a good team. MA couldn't possibly have expected what happened with Beard and Williams. Williams wasn't great on offense, but he played hard and was good in the system. All is not lost with this team. They can do some good things.

The NBA is what's wrong with college ball.  And what's wrong with themselves. The Pro game will be SO much better when the guys drafted can actually play and contribute.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 19, 2015, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.

And that's on him. Recruiting is just not his strong point.
It's not really his fault some guys got themselves kicked off the team in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 20, 2015, 07:35:52 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 19, 2015, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.

And that's on him. Recruiting is just not his strong point.
It's not really his fault some guys got themselves kicked off the team in the offseason.

There's only been one player dismissed from the team in five years that Anderson has been here.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 20, 2015, 07:46:53 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 19, 2015, 11:54:13 pm
I think he recruits just fine. He has 3 of the top 5 jucos in the country coming in. If Monk isn't bought out, then that is a top 10 class next season and immediate threat. Those guys with what will come back will be a good team. MA couldn't possibly have expected what happened with Beard and Williams. Williams wasn't great on offense, but he played hard and was good in the system. All is not lost with this team. They can do some good things.

The NBA is what's wrong with college ball.  And what's wrong with themselves. The Pro game will be SO much better when the guys drafted can actually play and contribute.

He signed three good JUCO players. However, in college basketball signing that many JUCO players is usually a plan B option for coaches and done after you initially lost the recruiting battles on your primary targets, which he did. Malik Monk, Terrance Ferguson, Jaylen Fisher, DeRon Davis, and Tyler Cook were all primary targets and all decided to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 10:44:33 pm
Quote from: Romeo on December 20, 2015, 07:35:52 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 19, 2015, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.

And that's on him. Recruiting is just not his strong point.
It's not really his fault some guys got themselves kicked off the team in the offseason.

There's only been one player dismissed from the team in five years that Anderson has been here.
Is Thomas still there?  I know Williams is gone.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: chaoslord on December 21, 2015, 09:18:52 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 10:44:33 pm
Quote from: Romeo on December 20, 2015, 07:35:52 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 19, 2015, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 19, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Mike had nothing to work with right now.

And that's on him. Recruiting is just not his strong point.
It's not really his fault some guys got themselves kicked off the team in the offseason.

There's only been one player dismissed from the team in five years that Anderson has been here.
Is Thomas still there?  I know Williams is gone.

Yeah, he's still part of the team, just has to sit out this year being a transfer.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 21, 2015, 01:18:32 pm
I thought he was leaving (voluntarily or otherwise) due to the counterfeiting scandal, and Beard was the only one staying.  My bad.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 21, 2015, 03:02:42 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 21, 2015, 01:18:32 pm
I thought he was leaving (voluntarily or otherwise) due to the counterfeiting scandal, and Beard was the only one staying.  My bad.

Williams left, transferred to MTSU, and Thomas is redshirting as a transfer.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 12:46:32 am
I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere, when we have players on the hill passing bad money and being slapped on the wrist for it.  Which by the was is another topic!  It is just strange how UALR can get/keep it going even with a coaching change.  Not saying that they have always been at the top, but yet competitive!  IMO Anderson needs to step it up or be gone, if not this year then next year!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 22, 2015, 06:10:39 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 12:46:32 am
I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere, when we have players on the hill passing bad money and being slapped on the wrist for it.  Which by the was is another topic!  It is just strange how UALR can get/keep it going even with a coaching change.  Not saying that they have always been at the top, but yet competitive!  IMO Anderson needs to step it up or be gone, if not this year then next year!

You actually think someone would pay a player in "bogus" money if they were paying them to come to their school???
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 22, 2015, 07:10:56 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 12:46:32 am
I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere, when we have players on the hill passing bad money and being slapped on the wrist for it.  Which by the was is another topic!  It is just strange how UALR can get/keep it going even with a coaching change.  Not saying that they have always been at the top, but yet competitive!  IMO Anderson needs to step it up or be gone, if not this year then next year!
UALR is a completely different situation.  A lot of folks were very surprised by the last coach getting fired, the program was not in a bad place like UA was when Anderson came in.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 08:57:07 am
This is Andersons 5th year this team is all of HIS recruits how long do you have to give him? 7-10 years? Arkansas wasn't in that bad of shape when pelphrey left he had like a top 10 recruiting class he had 4 ESPN top 100 signees that's 1 less than what Anderson has brought to Arkansas in 5 years.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 22, 2015, 09:05:46 am
Another tough non-conference game tonight against a good mid-major team. North Florida leads the nation in most 3-pointers made per game. Beat Illinois by 12 points.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 09:06:53 am
Quote from: ricepig on December 22, 2015, 06:10:39 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 12:46:32 am
I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere, when we have players on the hill passing bad money and being slapped on the wrist for it.  Which by the was is another topic!  It is just strange how UALR can get/keep it going even with a coaching change.  Not saying that they have always been at the top, but yet competitive!  IMO Anderson needs to step it up or be gone, if not this year then next year!

You actually think someone would pay a player in "bogus" money if they were paying them to come to their school???
No, not at all.  My statement was - "players passing bad money"
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 22, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 08:57:07 am
This is Andersons 5th year this team is all of HIS recruits how long do you have to give him? 7-10 years? Arkansas wasn't in that bad of shape when pelphrey left he had like a top 10 recruiting class he had 4 ESPN top 100 signees that's 1 less than what Anderson has brought to Arkansas in 5 years.
Did you miss last season?  We haven't won 27 games since '95.  We've only been to the Round of 32 in the Big Dance twice since the 90s.  But for Kentucky being historically good, we'd have won the conference.  Everyone can't be Kentucky and reload year after year.  Did you think we weren't going to drop off this year, losing Portis & Qualls, then Williams and Beard (temporarily)?  We'll be back.

Even Nolan had ups and downs.  This will probably be Anderson's first season not to have a winning record.  No Arkansas coach has had four winning seasons in his first four years since Eddie.  Cut the man some slack.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 22, 2015, 09:40:38 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 09:06:53 am
Quote from: ricepig on December 22, 2015, 06:10:39 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 22, 2015, 12:46:32 am
I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere, when we have players on the hill passing bad money and being slapped on the wrist for it.  Which by the was is another topic!  It is just strange how UALR can get/keep it going even with a coaching change.  Not saying that they have always been at the top, but yet competitive!  IMO Anderson needs to step it up or be gone, if not this year then next year!

You actually think someone would pay a player in "bogus" money if they were paying them to come to their school???
No, not at all.  My statement was - "players passing bad money"

Which has nothing to do with "I really don't think that we need to be talking about kids being bought out, and going elsewhere."
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 22, 2015, 09:59:50 am
Quote from: Romeo on December 22, 2015, 09:05:46 am
Another tough non-conference game tonight against a good mid-major team. North Florida leads the nation in most 3-pointers made per game. Beat Illinois by 12 points.

Sigh.....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 10:11:44 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 22, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 08:57:07 am
This is Andersons 5th year this team is all of HIS recruits how long do you have to give him? 7-10 years? Arkansas wasn't in that bad of shape when pelphrey left he had like a top 10 recruiting class he had 4 ESPN top 100 signees that's 1 less than what Anderson has brought to Arkansas in 5 years.
Did you miss last season?  We haven't won 27 games since '95.  We've only been to the Round of 32 in the Big Dance twice since the 90s.  But for Kentucky being historically good, we'd have won the conference.  Everyone can't be Kentucky and reload year after year.  Did you think we weren't going to drop off this year, losing Portis & Qualls, then Williams and Beard (temporarily)?  We'll be back.

Even Nolan had ups and downs.  This will probably be Anderson's first season not to have a winning record.  No Arkansas coach has had four winning seasons in his first four years since Eddie.  Cut the man some slack.
As long as your happy with going to the round of 32 1 time every 5 years then that's fine. I would kinda like for the round of 32 to be more consistent.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on December 22, 2015, 10:53:59 am
If this season goes south, which it appears it might, especially in league play, then there will be real questions about next season.

Obviously he's signed a pretty solid 2016 class, with a chance to add another player or two before then.

I think realistic expectations for next season should be the round of 32, if not more, and at least 24-25 wins.

NIT or barely sneaking in the tournament next season shouldn't be acceptable.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 22, 2015, 10:58:25 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 10:11:44 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 22, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 08:57:07 am
This is Andersons 5th year this team is all of HIS recruits how long do you have to give him? 7-10 years? Arkansas wasn't in that bad of shape when pelphrey left he had like a top 10 recruiting class he had 4 ESPN top 100 signees that's 1 less than what Anderson has brought to Arkansas in 5 years.
Did you miss last season?  We haven't won 27 games since '95.  We've only been to the Round of 32 in the Big Dance twice since the 90s.  But for Kentucky being historically good, we'd have won the conference.  Everyone can't be Kentucky and reload year after year.  Did you think we weren't going to drop off this year, losing Portis & Qualls, then Williams and Beard (temporarily)?  We'll be back.

Even Nolan had ups and downs.  This will probably be Anderson's first season not to have a winning record.  No Arkansas coach has had four winning seasons in his first four years since Eddie.  Cut the man some slack.
As long as your happy with going to the round of 32 1 time every 5 years then that's fine. I would kinda like for the round of 32 to be more consistent.
One down year isn't worth firing a coach, especially with a good class coming in next year.  Again, this isn't the mid 90s.  We can't expect to recruit on a level with UK or Duke and just reload every year.  We'll have some off years here and there.  Wait it out.  If it becomes a continuous downward trend, or if we're not back in the NCAAs in the next year or two, then start looking around for a better option.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 22, 2015, 11:25:54 am
I laugh at people who think we can hire any coach in America to lead the Razorbacks. Some folks shades are a little more red than others.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 11:34:39 am
Anderson had better success at uab than what he has had at Arkansas? So what is wrong with Arkansas? Is uab a better program than Arkansas?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 22, 2015, 11:43:41 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 11:34:39 am
Anderson had better success at uab than what he has had at Arkansas? So what is wrong with Arkansas? Is uab a better program than Arkansas?

I've always said it and I stand by it.

Location.


I bet you there are a ton more talented players to pick from around Birmingham than the Nwa. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. I remember the all star blue chip from Springdale that was supposed to be a savior. Went by the name Michael Sanchez. Bust.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 23, 2015, 06:15:26 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 22, 2015, 11:43:41 am
Quote from: pioneers on December 22, 2015, 11:34:39 am
Anderson had better success at uab than what he has had at Arkansas? So what is wrong with Arkansas? Is uab a better program than Arkansas?

I've always said it and I stand by it.

Location.


I bet you there are a ton more talented players to pick from around Birmingham than the Nwa. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. I remember the all star blue chip from Springdale that was supposed to be a savior. Went by the name Michael Sanchez. Bust.

We get very few kids from NWA, but we are good when we get a top rated player from Arkansas, i.e., Corliss or Bobby. I don't remember anyone saying Sanchez was a can't miss, but he had a Kentucky offer too.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 23, 2015, 06:16:58 pm
I actually watch the whole game last night, I realize N. FL. isn't a powerhouse, but we played well and actually didn't live or die on the 3pt shooting.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 30, 2015, 07:37:33 pm
Looking like hot garbage right now.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2015, 09:07:23 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on December 30, 2015, 07:37:33 pm
Looking like hot garbage right now.

Overtime in Dayton after being down by 23 at one point... I almost don't believe we came back!! They have three impressive wins on their schedule so far too.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 30, 2015, 09:13:46 pm
Razorbacks will be ok,Anderson is the right coach for Arkanasas
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: gameoflife on December 30, 2015, 09:15:15 pm
Couple of early departures, an injury.  Thing is you have to plan on the early departure. Kids want to go for the money. Anderson is ok, but our talent level is not consistantly great.  Don't expect a championship without championship talent.  Arkansas basketball and football is ok but not great year in and year out on the national level.  As fans we have to have realistic expectation.s
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 30, 2015, 09:27:29 pm
Look at our expectations for the season. Now look at how Arkansas battled. Try to tell me that Anderson isn't the right coach
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on December 30, 2015, 09:34:41 pm
Beard and Durham both mad poor decisions driving to the hole.  Kingsley NEEDED to touch it.  But they fought hard, and will be ok. Next years team should be really good.  Just need a solid recruiting class for 17 to keep it going
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 30, 2015, 09:40:44 pm
Yea the Hogs battled good tonight, they fought hard
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 30, 2015, 09:45:23 pm
We should be decent in the SEC. I think if we have a respectable showing in the SEC and possibly even make the NIT this season can be considered a success. Dayton is a dang good team
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 30, 2015, 10:19:01 pm
I think we have a chance to possibly make the NIT this year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: gameoflife on December 30, 2015, 10:43:16 pm
You are shooting for the NIT?  Wow!!   Playing hard and playing well are not the same thing.  Got to be a high level of talent mixed in there to get to the top.  I'm not sure we have that level of talent.  I'm looking at this in terms of year in and year out consistency, that UA just doesn;t seem to have.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 31, 2015, 12:31:45 am
No they didn't.  Through his first four years, Heath was 61-57 and made 1 NCAA appearance (year four).  Through his first four years, Pelphrey was 69-59 and made 1 NCAA appearance (year one, with Heath's players).  Through his first four years, Anderson was 86-48 and made 1 NIT and 1 NCAA appearance.  Anderson has a much better win percentage and more postseason appearances than either.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 12:53:43 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on December 31, 2015, 12:31:45 am
No they didn't.  Through his first four years, Heath was 61-57 and made 1 NCAA appearance (year four).  Through his first four years, Pelphrey was 69-59 and made 1 NCAA appearance (year one, with Heath's players).  Through his first four years, Anderson was 86-48 and made 1 NIT and 1 NCAA appearance.  Anderson has a much better win percentage and more postseason appearances than either.
The other two made the dance as many times...and MA won with Pel's players...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 04:32:33 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
And that in itself is sad...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 05:16:43 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 04:32:33 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
And that in itself is sad...

We're 20 years from being relevant in basketball, sounds about normal.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 08:55:08 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 05:16:43 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 04:32:33 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
And that in itself is sad...

We're 20 years from being relevant in basketball, sounds about normal.
Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on December 31, 2015, 08:57:10 pm
Idk, maybe it's just the optimist in me, but I think next year starts a major upward trend
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 09:01:33 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 08:55:08 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 05:16:43 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 04:32:33 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
And that in itself is sad...

We're 20 years from being relevant in basketball, sounds about normal.
Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball...

When you have a rational thought, feel free to add one.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:44:12 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
I agree one and done is killing the game,I don't want any players who will only be here one year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:52:06 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on December 30, 2015, 10:43:16 pm
You are shooting for the NIT?  Wow!!   Playing hard and playing well are not the same thing.  Got to be a high level of talent mixed in there to get to the top.  I'm not sure we have that level of talent.  I'm looking at this in terms of year in and year out consistency, that UA just doesn;t seem to have.
well I don't think we will make the big dance this year so yea I'll take the NIT
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 01, 2016, 12:23:09 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 08:55:08 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 05:16:43 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 31, 2015, 04:32:33 pm
Quote from: ricepig on December 31, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2015, 12:10:49 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2015, 11:46:53 pm
No matter what anyone says this is on MA. I was on the MA bandwagon, was excited when he was hired. I thought he would be the saviour of Razorback basketball. He is not a great recruiter, however he is a good floor coach. His kids play hard. MA cannot help that his players have gotten in trouble. He cannot watch them 24/7.

With all that said we are now in the MA era, his players/his coaches. This is squarely on him. He needs to at least make the NIT this year (I don't think we will) and next year, again with his players we need to make the dance and at least win one game...if not MA needs to go. we are paying him way too much to continue down this path.

I do understand that we cannot just lure in a ton of great coaches, but anybody can lose...anybody can do what we are now...heck Pelphrey and Heath did just as good...
Well said and I totally agree!  It is just not happening for him here at Ar like it did at Mo.  He should be feeling some heat!

The season is the first time in any time in his career where he had less than a .500 record. That's not too shabby, oh, and he's not going anywhere for a few years, minimum.
And that in itself is sad...

We're 20 years from being relevant in basketball, sounds about normal.
Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball...
Anderson has had 18, 19, 22, and 27 wins in his four years at Arkansas.  We haven't won 27 games or more in a season since 1995.  If that is continued mediocrity, then I doubt any coach in America could save the program.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 01, 2016, 12:37:05 am
Hogs will be just fine. 
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 01, 2016, 01:39:53 pm
Agree Hogs will be fine,just have a few doubters out there
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 02, 2016, 10:11:27 am
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:44:12 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
I agree one and done is killing the game,I don't want any players who will only be here one year
One and done players don't seem to be hurting Kentucky! We have never signed any of these players, so it is certainly not hurting the game for the hogs.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 02, 2016, 10:31:50 am
Quote from: Jacketman65 on January 02, 2016, 10:11:27 am
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:44:12 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
I agree one and done is killing the game,I don't want any players who will only be here one year
One and done players don't seem to be hurting Kentucky! We have never signed any of these players, so it is certainly not hurting the game for the hogs.
i really wonder what Cal would do if they did away with the rule.

How this is hurting the game is that these players now limit their choices to only the top programs. So of course it doesn't hurt Kentucky, they get all those players. You basically can pencil in a top 5 class for them and any of the other top programs right now.

Then you see the next level of programs keep guys for 4 years and make a run every now and then.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 02, 2016, 11:13:24 am
It's hurting the game overall.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 02, 2016, 02:09:17 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on January 02, 2016, 10:11:27 am
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:44:12 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
I agree one and done is killing the game,I don't want any players who will only be here one year
One and done players don't seem to be hurting Kentucky! We have never signed any of these players, so it is certainly not hurting the game for the hogs.
Just because they're winning doesn't mean it isn't hurting them.  Think of how good Kentucky would be if those guys were staying 3-4 years.  Someone's always going to win, but that doesn't mean those teams wouldn't be improved by greater continuity.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 02, 2016, 02:10:15 pm
Think of what the NBA could be if the players had 3 years minimum experience actually learning to play ball. 
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 02, 2016, 04:55:35 pm
What's the score?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 05:01:28 pm
74 - 46 8:56 left
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on January 02, 2016, 05:58:51 pm
92-69 final  :(
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 02, 2016, 06:03:58 pm
This season is reminding me more and more of the movie Blue Chips. The kids play for hard for MA, but we just don't have the talent. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, it all reflects on recruiting. When you have Keaton Miles and Manny Watkins in your starting lineup, you haven't recruited hard enough.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 09:18:32 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 02, 2016, 06:03:58 pm
This season is reminding me more and more of the movie Blue Chips. The kids play for hard for MA, but we just don't have the talent. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, it all reflects on recruiting. When you have Keaton Miles and Manny Watkins in your starting lineup, you haven't recruited hard enough.
+1
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 02, 2016, 09:46:10 pm
I think a lot of knew this would be a tough year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 02, 2016, 10:20:41 pm
Yea anyone with any sense knew this would be a tough year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on January 02, 2016, 10:24:02 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

I also think there has to be some acceptance that we are Arkansas. Kids want to play basketball on the East Coast, Midwest, and even out West before they come to the SEC nowadays. For the coming future its going to be tough for anyone outside of Kentucky to establish dominance in the SEC routinely. I don't like losing but I am just looking at the landscape of college basketball. Look at the crowds in ACC, Big East, and Big Ten games compared to SEC games. No wonder no kids want to play basketball in the SEC besides Kentucky. I don't blame them when the fans don't seem to know there are other sports besides football. I blame the fans some in that way.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 02, 2016, 10:43:29 pm
I think the main thing Anderson needs to improve on recruiting-wise is getting the big in-state player(s)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 02, 2016, 10:44:12 pm
Quote from: Jacketman65 on January 02, 2016, 10:11:27 am
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 31, 2015, 11:44:12 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on December 20, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
No....those guys were already signed. You don't turn down 3 of top 4 jucos players. Especially when you KNOW they will be there for the 2 years. One and done is killing the game. He planned on Monk being there with those 3 guys
I agree one and done is killing the game,I don't want any players who will only be here one year
One and done players don't seem to be hurting Kentucky! We have never signed any of these players, so it is certainly not hurting the game for the hogs.
its fine with me if we don't sign any one and done get some kids who will be here at least a couple of years
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 02, 2016, 11:11:12 pm
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 02, 2016, 10:20:41 pm
Yea anyone with any sense knew this would be a tough year

Yup.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 03, 2016, 07:46:05 am
Basketball is dead to me this year. Can't believe the trap the Hogs are in.

If the Tigers don't get a new coach next year I will eat my hat.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2016, 04:46:34 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.
Like I said...that is sad...and we can win 30 games but if we can't make it past the 2nd round and we become happy with the NIT then we are average. We have went backwards...spin it anyway you want but we have went backwards...UNLESS, he can right the ship and take us to the dance...may be below average this year...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 03, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.

Why can't these guys just support the team this year?   We know they aren't great, we know we won't make the Dance.  We know MA isn't going to be fired after a bad year this year.  He'll get at least one more year.  Why can't they stop with all the negativity, watch and enjoy the hustle.... and  let Jeff Long deal with it?  I wonder how many of them are as successful in their careers as is MA?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 05:15:52 pm
Quote from: mack on January 03, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.

Why can't these guys just support the team this year?   We know they aren't great, we know we won't make the Dance.  We know MA isn't going to be fired after a bad year this year.  He'll get at least one more year.  Why can't they stop with all the negativity, watch and enjoy the hustle.... and  let Jeff Long deal with it?  I wonder how many of them are as successful in their careers as is MA?

I agree, I've said numerous times that Mike won't ever be fired at Arkansas. As far supporting the team and enjoying the season, I always support the Hogs. Now, I still say he needs a big time recruiter on staff, but he's not going to fire any of his staff.  As far as careers, it's really hard to compare, lol.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2016, 09:33:45 pm
Quote from: mack on January 03, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.

Why can't these guys just support the team this year?   We know they aren't great, we know we won't make the Dance.  We know MA isn't going to be fired after a bad year this year.  He'll get at least one more year.  Why can't they stop with all the negativity, watch and enjoy the hustle.... and  let Jeff Long deal with it?  I wonder how many of them are as successful in their careers as is MA?
Why can't people see the team for what they are. I have been very supportive of MA. I am just saying he needs to start producing at some point. When we are going backwards and losing in state recruits, then yes there are some red flags...as far as careers...I would say in my profession I am more successful than MA is in his...but that is apples and oranges...
What blows me away is MA did well at UAB and Mizzou...maybe it isn't MA, maybe the UA is cursed...the Nolan factor...lol...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2016, 09:35:39 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 05:15:52 pm
Quote from: mack on January 03, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.

Why can't these guys just support the team this year?   We know they aren't great, we know we won't make the Dance.  We know MA isn't going to be fired after a bad year this year.  He'll get at least one more year.  Why can't they stop with all the negativity, watch and enjoy the hustle.... and  let Jeff Long deal with it?  I wonder how many of them are as successful in their careers as is MA?

I agree, I've said numerous times that Mike won't ever be fired at Arkansas. As far supporting the team and enjoying the season, I always support the Hogs. Now, I still say he needs a big time recruiter on staff, but he's not going to fire any of his staff.  As far as careers, it's really hard to compare, lol.
I agree totally with the recruiter...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on January 05, 2016, 10:21:27 pm
Good win tonight against vandy. Forced 25 turnovers I believe.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 05, 2016, 10:23:59 pm
Hogs are now 1-1 in SEC play.  Great win.  90-85 in OT.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 05, 2016, 10:32:02 pm
Yes sir good win for the Hogs
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 06, 2016, 12:27:09 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2016, 09:35:39 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 05:15:52 pm
Quote from: mack on January 03, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 03, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 02, 2016, 09:40:56 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 02, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
How rationale is this Rice...we are getting hammered by A&M...lol...we are good...dang good...Got any Rose colored glasses I can borrow?

No one said anything about wins or losses, but when your remark is to shut the program down, then rationale went out the window. I seem to remember some other of our recent teams getting thumped. MA won't be fired, so find another soap box.
When did I say shut the program down? I said if we as fans think that mediocrity is okay then what is the use? I think we should play to win...to win championships...don't you?

"Yep, but at some point we have to break that. If we continue to just embrace mediocrity then we should just drop basketball..."

I would say dropping basketball and shutting down the program were akin to the same. We won 27 games last year, that isn't mediocre in my book. I've got lots of questions about MA and the program, but he isn't leaving any time soon. I do think he needs to get a top notch recruiter on his staff, but I don't see him making any changes.

Why can't these guys just support the team this year?   We know they aren't great, we know we won't make the Dance.  We know MA isn't going to be fired after a bad year this year.  He'll get at least one more year.  Why can't they stop with all the negativity, watch and enjoy the hustle.... and  let Jeff Long deal with it?  I wonder how many of them are as successful in their careers as is MA?

I agree, I've said numerous times that Mike won't ever be fired at Arkansas. As far supporting the team and enjoying the season, I always support the Hogs. Now, I still say he needs a big time recruiter on staff, but he's not going to fire any of his staff.  As far as careers, it's really hard to compare, lol.
I agree totally with the recruiter...
I agree with a recruiter as well, maybe he should dump some of the baggage that he is trying to drag along. Like maybe his son, at some point they need to make their own way - so to speak!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 06, 2016, 04:24:01 am
Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. We won which is good, but the win conceals a horrible coaching decision by MA. He took the win out of his teams hands by calling a timeout with 2 seconds left in the game. He would have gotten crucified by the fans and media today had we lost. As whistle happy as the refs were, we were lucky not to get called with a foul on the last dunk by Vanderbilt. From the replay, Kingsley fouled the Vandy player across the arm before he dunked.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 06, 2016, 07:09:31 am
^you're an idiot. He took the timeout to set up his defensive matchups. Plus, Kingsley wasn't even close to hitting him on the dunk. The issue wasn't MA. The issue was Kingsley and Bell switching
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 06, 2016, 07:48:11 am
Quote from: Fred Bird on January 06, 2016, 07:09:31 am
^you're an idiot. He took the timeout to set up his defensive matchups. Plus, Kingsley wasn't even close to hitting him on the dunk. The issue wasn't MA. The issue was Kingsley and Bell switching

There's no way you should EVER take a TO in that situation. Five or six seconds left I can see it, but with 2.1 left the best they could hope for was a half court heave.

And I said that BEFORE they got the dunk to tie it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 06, 2016, 07:56:38 am
Just happy to get the win. These kids need a win to hopefully get it going.

Some of our starters, man. I can't believe they are even starters. I wish our recruiting was better.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 06, 2016, 08:41:58 am
Only in Arkansas do we get a win and still bash the coach for almost losing it
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 06, 2016, 09:05:04 am
Only in Arkansas do we get one idiot calling someone else an idiot for criticizing an idiotic decision.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 06, 2016, 09:06:32 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

And let's don't forget that the .01 they added on the clock BECAUSE of our timeout was the difference in Jones getting the dunk off or not.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:43:52 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

I am never amazed anymore at the way some on here look for ways to criticize a coach.  You guys would be howling if VB threw in a 40 footer for three points to win the game, and he hadn't called a timeout to set strategy. Of course a coach should call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  Of course a coach should not call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  It's strategy, successful or not.  Should the Kentucky coach have played guys in front and behind Christian Laettner, or on each side like they did before he hit the winner in the regional final?  It's strategy, and it works or it doesn't. 
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:48:09 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

In the paper this morning, MA said they should not have switched.  It's a teaching moment.  I'm like you on the 'taller man' on the throw-in though.  I'd have subbed Kouassi on the inbounder.  See how easy that is after the fact?  :-)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 10:54:59 am
Quote from: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:48:09 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

In the paper this morning, MA said they should not have switched.  It's a teaching moment.  I'm like you on the 'taller man' on the throw-in though.  I'd have subbed Kouassi on the inbounder.  See how easy that is after the fact?  :-)


I was screaming it at the TV last night, you didn't hear me?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 06, 2016, 11:52:44 am
Quote from: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:43:52 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

I am never amazed anymore at the way some on here look for ways to criticize a coach.  You guys would be howling if VB threw in a 40 footer for three points to win the game, and he hadn't called a timeout to set strategy. Of course a coach should call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  Of course a coach should not call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  It's strategy, successful or not.  Should the Kentucky coach have played guys in front and behind Christian Laettner, or on each side like they did before he hit the winner in the regional final?  It's strategy, and it works or it doesn't.

Nobody that knows anything about basketball would've been howling about not calling the timeout had they thrown in a 40 footer for the win. You tip your hat and move on.

As far as Kentucky and Laettner goes, John Pelphrey was in good defensive position when Laettner caught the ball but he inexplicably backed off let him shoot it uncontested.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 06, 2016, 12:11:31 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on January 06, 2016, 11:52:44 am
Quote from: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:43:52 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

I am never amazed anymore at the way some on here look for ways to criticize a coach.  You guys would be howling if VB threw in a 40 footer for three points to win the game, and he hadn't called a timeout to set strategy. Of course a coach should call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  Of course a coach should not call a timeout with 2 seconds left to set his strategy.  It's strategy, successful or not.  Should the Kentucky coach have played guys in front and behind Christian Laettner, or on each side like they did before he hit the winner in the regional final?  It's strategy, and it works or it doesn't.

Nobody that knows anything about basketball would've been howling about not calling the timeout had they thrown in a 40 footer for the win. You tip your hat and move on.

As far as Kentucky and Laettner goes, John Pelphrey was in good defensive position when Laettner caught the ball but he inexplicably backed off let him shoot it uncontested.

"Nobody that knows anything about basketball".... there's your operant statement.  You probably think that college players are so advanced, they don't need timeouts to tell them not to foul, how to defend a play at the end of the game etc.  I don't have that much confidence in them for the most part.  I've seen them foul stupidly or celebrate when they should be getting where they're supposed to be.  I have no problem with Anderson or Stallings' TO strategy.

As far as your analysis of the KY/Duke situation, one could argue that if they had fronted him, and had a player behind him, they'd never have gotten him the ball to begin with.  I'm not arguing your assertion Pelphrey was in decent position.  That was KYs strategy at the time.  It just didn't work.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 06, 2016, 12:13:45 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 10:54:59 am
Quote from: mack on January 06, 2016, 10:48:09 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Quote from: pioneers on January 06, 2016, 08:38:53 am
Fred why call a timeout to set up our defense when the offense didn't have a play set up to run? Vandy was scrambling and didn't know what to do then we call a timeout. The timeout benefited vandy more than it did Arkansas and I'm not just saying that based on the outcome even if vandy didn't score it allowed them to set up a play.

Didn't know what to do?? You don't think they practice that? Why did Stallings call timeout after they took the lead with .12 to go??? Maybe to set his defense and plan for such action? Now, if you wish to criticize the fact we didn't have a big on the in-bound guy making the 3/4 throw more difficult, or why we switched guys 65ft from the ball, then I can understand your gripe.

In the paper this morning, MA said they should not have switched.  It's a teaching moment.  I'm like you on the 'taller man' on the throw-in though.  I'd have subbed Kouassi on the inbounder.  See how easy that is after the fact?  :-)


I was screaming it at the TV last night, you didn't hear me?

Thought it was the coyotes out back......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 06, 2016, 12:16:46 pm
Honestly, I would've rather seen Kingsley foul Jones than give him a dunk. It's doubtful he would've made two free throws to tie the game. But I realize they can't always think that quick during the game.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 06, 2016, 02:44:51 pm
That's an excellent point....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 02:49:11 pm
Quote from: mack on January 06, 2016, 02:44:51 pm
That's an excellent point....


Our luck he'd some how mange to throw it in a make the FT.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2016, 04:45:33 pm
First game I have watched start to finish this year.

I was impressed with Kingsley, thought he played well. This team has some potential, but overall just not very talented. Recruiting has to get better. Vanderbilt isn't very good, but hey...a win is a win...

As for the decision for MA to call a timeout or not...
Different coaches will do it different ways. The switch was stupid, should have had a big on the inbound. Hey, Vandy made a play.
I don't think Romeo was bashing, I think he was just saying that IF it went wrong the media would have thrashed MA on his decision...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 04:58:24 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2016, 04:45:33 pm
First game I have watched start to finish this year.

I was impressed with Kingsley, thought he played well. This team has some potential, but overall just not very talented. Recruiting has to get better. Vanderbilt isn't very good, but hey...a win is a win...

As for the decision for MA to call a timeout or not...
Different coaches will do it different ways. The switch was stupid, should have had a big on the inbound. Hey, Vandy made a play.
I don't think Romeo was bashing, I think he was just saying that IF it went wrong the media would have thrashed MA on his decision...

Vandy was picked to finish 2nd behind Kentucky, they were 6-2 before losing a main player who was back last night. I think we'll play well/decent at home, we better win at Mizzou next week or we may not win on the road.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2016, 08:16:21 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 04:58:24 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2016, 04:45:33 pm
First game I have watched start to finish this year.

I was impressed with Kingsley, thought he played well. This team has some potential, but overall just not very talented. Recruiting has to get better. Vanderbilt isn't very good, but hey...a win is a win...

As for the decision for MA to call a timeout or not...
Different coaches will do it different ways. The switch was stupid, should have had a big on the inbound. Hey, Vandy made a play.
I don't think Romeo was bashing, I think he was just saying that IF it went wrong the media would have thrashed MA on his decision...

Vandy was picked to finish 2nd behind Kentucky, they were 6-2 before losing a main player who was back last night. I think we'll play well/decent at home, we better win at Mizzou next week or we may not win on the road.
Mizzou got hammered by Georgia tonight...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: 3 Dollar on January 07, 2016, 01:29:57 pm
I can see both sides to the timeout.  Like a poster has already stated "it's strategy." 

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda!  I probably would not have called it, and then they would have hit that long 3 pointer to win it and I would have been the idiot coach that needs to be fired.  Had they not hit it, other (more prominent) schools would be looking to hire me.

He called it.  They tied it.  Went to OT and we won it!  Had they not tied it, there would never have been this discussion.  Had they (Vandy) won it, everybody would be asking for MA's resignation.  I thought it was a stellar coaching performance to get his team to come back and win it in OT after the drama of Vandy tying it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 07, 2016, 02:35:55 pm
Hogs have a good chance to be a .500 team in conference. If that happens (and they beat Texas Tech), they will finish the regular season with a winning record. If they could win a SEC Tournament game, Mike would avoid a losing season.

Would be quite the accomplishment, all things considered.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 07, 2016, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: 3 Dollar on January 07, 2016, 01:29:57 pm
I can see both sides to the timeout.  Like a poster has already stated "it's strategy." 

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda!  I probably would not have called it, and then they would have hit that long 3 pointer to win it and I would have been the idiot coach that needs to be fired.  Had they not hit it, other (more prominent) schools would be looking to hire me.

He called it.  They tied it.  Went to OT and we won it!  Had they not tied it, there would never have been this discussion.  Had they (Vandy) won it, everybody would be asking for MA's resignation.  I thought it was a stellar coaching performance to get his team to come back and win it in OT after the drama of Vandy tying it.

Where's that dang 50 like button....................
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:14:16 pm
13 3'd today. Wow. Need to finish this out.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:16:07 pm
Dusty is on fire!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:16:28 pm
15 3's!!!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:17:44 pm
Dusty is pumped up haha. Mike not looking really happy at his celebrations. But let him be happy mike! Not much to smile and be happy about thus far this basketball season.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:24:09 pm
Big win today. Moves to 2-1 in conference. And most importantly, 2 straight wins in conference and we gain confidence. That's what we need.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 09, 2016, 04:28:16 pm
Coach Pel helped call the game. Then interviewed coach mike during post game. Kind of awkward. Ha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 09, 2016, 06:41:25 pm
Good game Hogs,we needed this confidence booster,Go Hogs Go
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 10, 2016, 05:37:23 pm
Hannahs had a great game but I am more impressed with Kingsley. He has really come along.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 10, 2016, 07:29:53 pm
I'm impressed with Durham!!!  That kid has really come on.  10pts 12 asst 6 steals. Just wow.  And only 2 turnovers.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 10, 2016, 08:48:28 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 10, 2016, 05:37:23 pm
Hannahs had a great game but I am more impressed with Kingsley. He has really come along.

Moses is a different player this year. I like it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 10, 2016, 08:55:19 pm
Yes he is.  Our bench has to get better. But that first 5-6 is as tough as anyone.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 10, 2016, 09:15:35 pm
We bring back most of our pieces next year plus the three JUCO recruits. Bell and Durham are gone but everyone else is back
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 11, 2016, 02:48:44 pm
Quote from: Fred Bird on January 10, 2016, 09:15:35 pm
We bring back most of our pieces next year plus the three JUCO recruits. Bell and Durham are gone but everyone else is back

Next year's roster, tentatively.

Trey Thompson (RS soph.)
Adrio Bailey (fr.)
Dusty Hannahs (RS sr.)
Daryl Macon (jr.)
Jaylen Barford (jr.)
Dustin Thomas (RS jr.)
Lorenzo Jenkins (soph. or RS fr.)
Manuale Watkins (sr.)
Arlando Cook (jr.)
Jimmy Whitt (soph.)
Anton Beard (jr.)
Moses Kingsley (sr.)

Room for one more scholly. Hopefully a transfer big or a high school big.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 11, 2016, 11:38:18 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 10, 2016, 08:48:28 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 10, 2016, 05:37:23 pm
Hannahs had a great game but I am more impressed with Kingsley. He has really come along.

Moses is a different player this year. I like it.
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on January 10, 2016, 08:55:19 pm
Yes he is.  Our bench has to get better. But that first 5-6 is as tough as anyone.
lol, not as good as anyone...Duke, NC, Kansas, Okie, Kentucky have some good players 1-6 and beyond...these guys are fun to watch though...they sure play hard...I would love to see a good run, maybe help recruiting...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 12, 2016, 10:13:26 am
That one open scholarship was supposed to be Monk's. But like what was said, it can be used to get another big man. UNLV's coach resigned yesterday, which could leave the possibility of Jaylen Fisher getting back into the mix since he didn't sign with UNLV.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 12, 2016, 01:00:27 pm
Let's make it 3 in a row hogs!

Matt jones, trey, and freak were laughing last week at the through of the hogs winning three in a row in conference. Well, here we are with that chance. I may make a call in tmrw if we win tonight :D
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 12, 2016, 06:09:48 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 11, 2016, 11:38:18 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 10, 2016, 08:48:28 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 10, 2016, 05:37:23 pm
Hannahs had a great game but I am more impressed with Kingsley. He has really come along.

Moses is a different player this year. I like it.
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on January 10, 2016, 08:55:19 pm
Yes he is.  Our bench has to get better. But that first 5-6 is as tough as anyone.
lol, not as good as anyone...Duke, NC, Kansas, Okie, Kentucky have some good players 1-6 and beyond...these guys are fun to watch though...they sure play hard...I would love to see a good run, maybe help recruiting...
Well Venny, I meant within reason. Lol. That's my fault. I meaning like they are as good as sort of mid level tourney teams. 6-9 seed type teams. But the bench just isn't there yet. Bench getting better makes them a more legit tourney threat. Even if that means NIT. Thanks for checking me.  LOL
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 12, 2016, 09:18:50 pm
Pelphrey interviewing Jeff Long right now is just a bit awkward.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 12, 2016, 10:18:17 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 12, 2016, 01:00:27 pm
Let's make it 3 in a row hogs!

Matt jones, trey, and freak were laughing last week at the through of the hogs winning three in a row in conference. Well, here we are with that chance. I may make a call in tmrw if we win tonight :D

Make that call!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 12, 2016, 10:20:28 pm
Woooooo! Great win!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 12, 2016, 10:28:02 pm
When you can shoot the ball you have a chance in any game. Hannah's 80% from the floor tonight
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 12, 2016, 10:34:13 pm
This team will be reckoned with!  They share the ball well. And they shoot very well. Beard is the difference. He makes the rotation dangerous. Jabril Durham is the MVP of this team. No question.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2016, 05:49:31 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 12, 2016, 10:18:17 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 12, 2016, 01:00:27 pm
Let's make it 3 in a row hogs!

Matt jones, trey, and freak were laughing last week at the through of the hogs winning three in a row in conference. Well, here we are with that chance. I may make a call in tmrw if we win tonight :D

Make that call!

Think I will!!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2016, 06:28:03 am
I made a toddy last night due to a sore throat and fell asleep at like 830 ha. So I missed the game. Glad to wake up and see they beat that mizzou tail.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 13, 2016, 07:08:07 am
I wish we could bottle up last nights game and use it for the rest of the season. They were shooting lights out last night.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2016, 07:09:28 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 13, 2016, 07:08:07 am
I wish we could bottle up last nights game and use it for the rest of the season. They were shooting lights out last night.

We may be getting to that point. This team finally looks like they are gelling together.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 13, 2016, 08:43:52 am
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Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 13, 2016, 08:45:42 am
Impressive win for sure...mostly because of the margin of victory. Like someone mentioned above, Anton Beard is making a big time difference right now. Seems like the ball moves a lot more and the offense flows more smoothly when he is in.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2016, 10:00:24 am
I'm glad Anton is back. He was the experienced peice that we needed to get things going. Now if he can keep his crap cleaned up outside of the court, we should be good. Moses is also a true big man we have needed down low. Playing lights out. And it seems dusty, bell, and Durham are turning into the outside threats we have needed.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lions84 on January 14, 2016, 10:08:57 am
Hawgs are coming around they Thumped the Zoo by 30+ !!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on January 14, 2016, 03:15:23 pm
Durham, Whitt, Hannahs, and Bell are fun to watch. They are very undersized and doing the best they can. Kingsley and the other bigs play very hard too. I am starting to actually say I am proud of what this rag tag team is doing and a .500 SEC record is not out of the question. This team is very unselfish and I am enjoying that aspect.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 15, 2016, 01:42:04 pm
Quote from: beach bum on January 14, 2016, 03:15:23 pm
Durham, Whitt, Hannahs, and Bell are fun to watch. They are very undersized and doing the best they can. Kingsley and the other bigs play very hard too. I am starting to actually say I am proud of what this rag tag team is doing and a .500 SEC record is not out of the question. This team is very unselfish and I am enjoying that aspect.

Honestly I'll be disappointed if they only manage to go .500 in the SEC, after this start.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 16, 2016, 09:35:04 pm
Wow
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 16, 2016, 09:40:43 pm
That bell turnover was costly.

Big blue comes to town Thursday.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on January 16, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 16, 2016, 09:40:43 pm
That bell turnover was costly.

Big blue comes to town Thursday.

At home it would have been s hacking foul.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on January 16, 2016, 10:29:53 pm
Quote from: mack on January 16, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 16, 2016, 09:40:43 pm
That bell turnover was costly.

Big blue comes to town Thursday.

At home it would have been s hacking foul.

Tough loss, but we are playing a whole lot better than most, myself included, thought they would.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 16, 2016, 10:44:47 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 16, 2016, 10:29:53 pm
Quote from: mack on January 16, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 16, 2016, 09:40:43 pm
That bell turnover was costly.

Big blue comes to town Thursday.

At home it would have been s hacking foul.

Tough loss, but we are playing a whole lot better than most, myself included, thought they would.
I have to agree. LSU isn't bad and we could have won in their house...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on January 16, 2016, 10:47:35 pm
I think we beat Kentucky on Thursday in the Bud
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on January 17, 2016, 12:26:22 am
Situational play at the end cost them. These guys are learning to play within their roles. But didn't then. Beard shoulda been catching inbound. Passing to Hannahs. Game won by hogs. But this team will play in NIT. And with better bench play has a legit shot at SEC tourney. But I think A&M is legit.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 17, 2016, 08:02:49 am
Tough loss, but overall it was a good effort. Its always tough to win on the road. Kingsley has improved tremendously since last season but needs to box out on rebounds. The guards are being coached well. I like how they ball fake defenders at the three point line and move up for high percentage shots.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 17, 2016, 10:32:24 am
Had a few careless turnovers down the stretch that cost us. A couple of chances to extend the lead we missed out on that would have sealed it as well. Tight game like this whoever makes those plays are going to win.

MA said the final went to perfection just missed the shot.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 06, 2016, 08:21:12 pm
Hogs cruising against the Volunteers tonight....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 08:26:55 pm
Keep it up.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 06, 2016, 08:51:46 pm
Hard to believe that team came from 21 down and beat Kentucky
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 06, 2016, 08:59:51 pm
Solid game though by the Hogs. Every win is a good win.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:33:35 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on February 06, 2016, 08:51:46 pm
Hard to believe that team came from 21 down and beat Kentucky

I can't see any way they could have.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on February 06, 2016, 10:00:49 pm
I was there, and I wasn't as hyped as I normally am. This just really wasn't a game that was easy to get into. We jumped on them early and the outcome was never in doubt
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Ctucker on February 06, 2016, 11:25:12 pm
Hogs look good tonight, I think if Kingsley will stay another year and the incoming class are decent then we might make NCAA tourney next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on February 07, 2016, 12:32:48 am
NCAAT, at least according to Lunardi, is still within reach this year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 01:09:42 am
Hey, that would be awesome.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 07, 2016, 08:33:43 am
Quote from: Fred Bird on February 07, 2016, 12:32:48 am
NCAAT, at least according to Lunardi, is still within reach this year
Right now they are saying 5 teams from the SEC. Not sure where we are at in the standings but if we can move up to around 6 in the standings and win some games in the conference tourney there's a chance.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on February 07, 2016, 09:19:43 am
Lunardi had us as the 10th team out yesterday morning
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 10:21:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.

Those not showing up are the central Arkansas season ticket holders, prove it's not them, lol. I didn't go, I had other plans, but I'm not complaining about the crowd.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 12:26:39 pm
Saying the crowds aren't Rabid like they used to be isn't complaining. That's a fact. You just see it as complaining because I could say the red doesn't look as bright as normal and your defense shields go up.

What I care about is the win they got last night. I don't go to games in Fayetteville so yeah I hold no barring. But it's still no excuse. Ha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 12:51:56 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 12:26:39 pm
Saying the crowds aren't Rabid like they used to be isn't complaining. That's a fact. You just see it as complaining because I could say the red doesn't look as bright as normal and your defense shields go up.

What I care about is the win they got last night. I don't go to games in Fayetteville so yeah I hold no barring. But it's still no excuse. Ha.

How rabid have the crowds been for an 11-11 team, I'll hang up and listen.  The crowds aren't a rabid as when I was a student in Barnhill, or when we were good in the mid 90's, but these aren't those times. We aren't a basketball school anymore, we caught a little of that magic last year, but have fallen back to recent success. There were 15970 tickets sold last night, with an announced crowd of around 14,000. Name me the other schools with an 11-11 record drawing that well, again, I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 07, 2016, 02:20:01 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 12:51:56 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 12:26:39 pm
Saying the crowds aren't Rabid like they used to be isn't complaining. That's a fact. You just see it as complaining because I could say the red doesn't look as bright as normal and your defense shields go up.

What I care about is the win they got last night. I don't go to games in Fayetteville so yeah I hold no barring. But it's still no excuse. Ha.

How rabid have the crowds been for an 11-11 team, I'll hang up and listen.  The crowds aren't a rabid as when I was a student in Barnhill, or when we were good in the mid 90's, but these aren't those times. We aren't a basketball school anymore, we caught a little of that magic last year, but have fallen back to recent success. There were 15970 tickets sold last night, with an announced crowd of around 14,000. Name me the other schools with an 11-11 record drawing that well, again, I'll hang up and listen.

I think a lot of fans don't get that this isn't the 90's anymore...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 07, 2016, 08:22:01 pm
Nope we are not a basketball school anymore,hopefully we can get back up there though
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 08, 2016, 09:14:29 am
The only way we go to the dance is by winning the tournament.  I don't think we'd go if we won out in the regular schedule.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 08, 2016, 09:48:49 am
Quote from: mack on February 08, 2016, 09:14:29 am
The only way we go to the dance is by winning the tournament.  I don't think we'd go if we won out in the regular schedule.

Lot of it depends on RPI and what teams in other conferences and mid-majors do. I think if the Hogs can finish 19-12 (that would allow one more loss) and then win two in Nashville, 21-13 could get them an 11 or 12 seed. Obviously if they win the SECT they ensure a bid.

Also helpful that SMU and Louisville (two teams that would be tourney locks) are ineligible for postseason.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 09, 2016, 04:52:07 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 10:21:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.

Those not showing up are the central Arkansas season ticket holders, prove it's not them, lol. I didn't go, I had other plans, but I'm not complaining about the crowd.
I'll tell you what is simple...start winning consistently and recruiting better and the crowds will start paying the prices to go. Nobody is gonna pay to see an average team, even if they are over performing...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 09, 2016, 05:25:38 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 09, 2016, 04:52:07 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 10:21:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.

Those not showing up are the central Arkansas season ticket holders, prove it's not them, lol. I didn't go, I had other plans, but I'm not complaining about the crowd.
I'll tell you what is simple...start winning consistently and recruiting better and the crowds will start paying the prices to go. Nobody is gonna pay to see an average team, even if they are over performing...


While I agree that winning cures all, we averaged 15,500 last year for 11th in the nation. I suspect we'll be close to that this year, without a very good home schedule, compared to the previous ones.

How many games a year do you go to?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2016, 05:44:10 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 09, 2016, 05:25:38 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 09, 2016, 04:52:07 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 10:21:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.

Those not showing up are the central Arkansas season ticket holders, prove it's not them, lol. I didn't go, I had other plans, but I'm not complaining about the crowd.
I'll tell you what is simple...start winning consistently and recruiting better and the crowds will start paying the prices to go. Nobody is gonna pay to see an average team, even if they are over performing...


While I agree that winning cures all, we averaged 15,500 last year for 11th in the nation. I suspect we'll be close to that this year, without a very good home schedule, compared to the previous ones.

How many games a year do you go to?
Lets see, If you held a gun to my head I would have to think about it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 09, 2016, 05:51:15 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on February 09, 2016, 05:44:10 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 09, 2016, 05:25:38 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 09, 2016, 04:52:07 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 10:21:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 07, 2016, 08:55:12 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 07, 2016, 08:00:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 11:43:57 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

Coaching my daughters basketball game this afternoon.

Dad/daughter Valentine dance from 630-830.

Razorback basketball and Fayetteville is on the back burners of my life right now. I'll let Fred pull my weight with the hyping of crowds up there. I know he can do it!

Plus, with NWA having a metro population of 500,000 people, no reason that place shouldn't be rocking every game night if the fans are as passionate as they claim to be in NWA. They don't need 1 person from Maumelle to boost them them over the edge.

Again, don't complain about the attendance if you're not there, seems pretty simple.

Oh I can complain. If NWA is home to the best fans, no reason the place shouldn't be packed every night with 500k people in the area.

Those not showing up are the central Arkansas season ticket holders, prove it's not them, lol. I didn't go, I had other plans, but I'm not complaining about the crowd.
I'll tell you what is simple...start winning consistently and recruiting better and the crowds will start paying the prices to go. Nobody is gonna pay to see an average team, even if they are over performing...


While I agree that winning cures all, we averaged 15,500 last year for 11th in the nation. I suspect we'll be close to that this year, without a very good home schedule, compared to the previous ones.

How many games a year do you go to?
Lets see, If you held a gun to my head I would have to think about it.

That explains a lot, it takes a gun to your head for you to count the number of games you attend. You're getting CRS really bad........
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on February 12, 2016, 10:42:51 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

The crowds in BWA have been crap for years now save the occasional Kentucky game. If you ever went to any games in Barnhill during Nolan's years you should now what I'm talking about.

And yes, I realize we're not a top 10 team like some of those were, but that's kind of the issue. We definitely could/should at least be a top 25 team year in year out. I like Coach Anderson and thought he was the right choice when hired I just hope we're back to national prominence SOON. Hopefully we can make the tourney next year with the good recruiting class coming in.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 12, 2016, 01:32:49 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on February 12, 2016, 10:42:51 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2016, 09:39:38 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 06, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Is it me or is the home crowds kinda tamed?

That's Fayetteville crowds. The wine and cheese types.


Aside from that. Big win for Arkansas. Very proud of the guys.

I'd say it's more due to an 11-11 basketball team playing an 11-11 basketball team. And of course, those not in attendance are the ones complaining, how ironic.

The crowds in BWA have been crap for years now save the occasional Kentucky game. If you ever went to any games in Barnhill during Nolan's years you should now what I'm talking about.

And yes, I realize we're not a top 10 team like some of those were, but that's kind of the issue. We definitely could/should at least be a top 25 team year in year out. I like Coach Anderson and thought he was the right choice when hired I just hope we're back to national prominence SOON. Hopefully we can make the tourney next year with the good recruiting class coming in.


I go to several games a year, the crowds are better than 333 of the D-I schools, by average attendance. I was a student during Sutton's 3rd-6thhttp://arkansas.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Offers years, it was packed then, especially starting the 3rd/4th seasons.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 12, 2016, 04:22:14 pm
When I made that comment about the crowd, I was talking about the lack of energy from the crowd. Even the student section seems reserved compared to what I see at other schools. The size of the crowd could definitely be bigger but I can understand not to expect standing room only crowds because we don't have enough wins. Even so our crowds have not been that intimidating overall.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 12, 2016, 04:49:10 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 12, 2016, 04:22:14 pm
When I made that comment about the crowd, I was talking about the lack of energy from the crowd. Even the student section seems reserved compared to what I see at other schools. The size of the crowd could definitely be bigger but I can understand not to expect standing room only crowds because we don't have enough wins. Even so our crowds have not been that intimidating overall.

Kids are too busy facebooking, tweeting, and snap chatting in their dorms instead of socializing like humans.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on February 12, 2016, 07:54:41 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 12, 2016, 04:22:14 pm
When I made that comment about the crowd, I was talking about the lack of energy from the crowd. Even the student section seems reserved compared to what I see at other schools. The size of the crowd could definitely be bigger but I can understand not to expect standing room only crowds because we don't have enough wins. Even so our crowds have not been that intimidating overall.

Exactly. I wasn't necessarily taking about attendance but energy level. Even when we are playing well or on a roll it's just not very loud IMO. We used to have one of the most intimidating environments in all of college basketball. I would love to see some of that come back...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 13, 2016, 02:45:26 pm
I was wrong.  My Razorback blinders I guess.  We are just average.  At times we play a good game, but overall, just average.  We'll have to settle for being a spoiler.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 02:48:53 pm
Average to below average.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: gameoflife on February 13, 2016, 03:48:26 pm
Another loss.  Just not a very good team.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 13, 2016, 04:26:32 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on February 13, 2016, 03:48:26 pm
Another loss.  Just not a very good team.

Yep, average.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 13, 2016, 07:53:54 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 02:48:53 pm
Average to below average.

OK... I've admitted I was wrong when I said they were a good team.  But tell me Air, how can you say below average with the good teams they've beaten or played close?  Not being smart, I'm still eating my crow. 
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
We are 12-13. That's below average. Average is .500, minimum.

No way I consider this team average. They are just not good.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: gameoflife on February 13, 2016, 09:18:15 pm
Yeah, something hasn't been right with Razorback basketball since Nolan.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 14, 2016, 07:16:37 am
6 pages....of basically the same rhetoric over and over, a lot of silence when we win. A lot of posts talking about how much the hogs suck when we lose...about like a call in radio show on here....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 14, 2016, 07:43:53 am
We're practically invincible at home.  We just need to arrange to hold the SEC Tournament in BWA. ;D
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: chaoslord on February 14, 2016, 08:14:32 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on February 14, 2016, 07:43:53 am
We're practically invincible at home.  We just need to arrange to hold the SEC Tournament in BWA. ;D

I've long said I would help pay for a hypnotist to convince the players every game is at home
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 14, 2016, 08:34:02 am
Quote from: HF on February 14, 2016, 07:16:37 am
6 pages....of basically the same rhetoric over and over, a lot of silence when we win. A lot of posts talking about how much the hogs suck when we lose...about like a call in radio show on here....

I've praised when praise is due. But at 12-13, what do you expect to see from fans? Balloons, fireworks and celebration?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 14, 2016, 12:50:17 pm
I think this is the kind of season most of us anticipated. Doesn't make it any easier. The same rhetoric on message boards and radio shows still proves that the fans still care. Where you know a program is in serious trouble is when people don't care anymore.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 14, 2016, 12:55:24 pm
Might be different if it was a different complaint it's the same each time. We knew from the beginning of the season this was going to be a tough year. Many on here thought making the NIT would be good this year. The team is average going in to each game this year.

It's not this is the football team where our expectations were higher.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 14, 2016, 06:40:26 pm
Not very good this year, all you can say hopefully they'll be better next year
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 15, 2016, 11:00:28 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
We are 12-13. That's below average. Average is .500, minimum.

No way I consider this team average. They are just not good.

So all they have to do in your book is get to .500 and they're average?  Today at 12-13 they're below average.  Win the next game and they're average?
Surely you have more criteria to judge a team by than that 500 benchmark.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 15, 2016, 11:11:36 am
Quote from: mack on February 15, 2016, 11:00:28 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
We are 12-13. That's below average. Average is .500, minimum.

No way I consider this team average. They are just not good.

So all they have to do in your book is get to .500 and they're average?  Today at 12-13 they're below average.  Win the next game and they're average?
Surely you have more criteria to judge a team by than that 500 benchmark.


Hey, we win the next two and we're above average!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 15, 2016, 05:26:19 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 15, 2016, 11:11:36 am
Quote from: mack on February 15, 2016, 11:00:28 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
We are 12-13. That's below average. Average is .500, minimum.

No way I consider this team average. They are just not good.

So all they have to do in your book is get to .500 and they're average?  Today at 12-13 they're below average.  Win the next game and they're average?
Surely you have more criteria to judge a team by than that 500 benchmark.


Hey, we win the next two and we're above average!!

On second thought, I like his methodology.  It's the only chance I
Have for them to be average and not bad😜
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 15, 2016, 05:30:19 pm
Quote from: mack on February 15, 2016, 11:00:28 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 13, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
We are 12-13. That's below average. Average is .500, minimum.

No way I consider this team average. They are just not good.

So all they have to do in your book is get to .500 and they're average?  Today at 12-13 they're below average.  Win the next game and they're average?
Surely you have more criteria to judge a team by than that 500 benchmark.

Right now. They are below average. Mediocre. Whatever you want to call it. They are terrible.

But everyone expected this. We have no depth and a poor bench. Like I said, when you have trey Thompson and manny Watkins playing the minutes they are playing, you know times are tough.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 12:46:55 pm
I love how this 9th grader at LRC is shaping up to be the savior of the basketball program haha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: RTF on February 16, 2016, 12:56:00 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 12:46:55 pm
I love how this 9th grader at LRC is shaping up to be the savior of the basketball program haha.

Hope we don't have to wait that long............
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 01:06:33 pm
People don't learn their lesson. It doesn't matter squat what that kid says now. I'll believe he will be a hog the day he is shooting lay ups in practice with a razorback jersey on.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: RTF on February 16, 2016, 01:11:55 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 01:06:33 pm
People don't learn their lesson. It doesn't matter squat what that kid says now. I'll believe he will be a hog the day he is shooting lay ups in practice with a razorback jersey on.
Very True, I still think the Hogs will sign this kid no matter what happens in the future, but still....very true.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 16, 2016, 03:06:53 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 01:06:33 pm
People don't learn their lesson. It doesn't matter squat what that kid says now. I'll believe he will be a hog the day he is shooting lay ups in practice with a razorback jersey on.

Who has a better chance of being on campus in 2019, Hill or Anderson?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 16, 2016, 04:21:12 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 16, 2016, 03:06:53 pm
Who has a better chance of being on campus in 2019, Hill or Anderson?
both because the Hogs do the smartest thing they have ever done and hires

(http://www.thecelebworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Josh-Pastner.jpg)

to recruit for them. Just keep him off the basketball court as a coach. We are fixing to pay him 10 mil to leave should be a bargain recruiter for somebody.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 04:35:31 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 16, 2016, 03:06:53 pm
Who has a better chance of being on campus in 2019, Hill or Anderson?

Neither.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 16, 2016, 04:59:23 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 04:35:31 pm
Neither.

So, they'll both be on campus, they're equal chances?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 06:12:14 pm
I think Mike has a better chance at being on campus than this kid.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 16, 2016, 06:56:39 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 16, 2016, 06:12:14 pm
I think Mike has a better chance at being on campus than this kid.

Well, we'll know in three years if we still care about either of them.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:07:07 pm
Nwa should be embarrassed. 501,653 people in the area full of supposed die hard big fans and maybe 5000 people in the stands. Pathetic.


I fixed it ha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 07:28:06 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:07:07 pm
Nwa should be embarrassed. 600k people in the area full of supposed die hard big fans and maybe 5000 people in the stands. Pathetic.

Dude, your incessant drivel of why you dislike NWA is getting stale. The team is bad, and lots of people are apathetic over this team. It's nice that you have jumped the population up 100,000 in a week's time, someone must like it, haha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:31:49 pm
Don't get mad when I present the facts!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:32:26 pm
The good news is. We may turn into an "average" team tonight if we can hang on here ha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 07:34:57 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:31:49 pm
Don't get mad when I present the facts!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Arkansas
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:36:31 pm
What do you want me to do with that?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:38:24 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:07:07 pm
Nwa should be embarrassed. 501,653 people in the area full of supposed die hard big fans and maybe 5000 people in the stands. Pathetic.

I fixed it for you.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 07:39:59 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:38:24 pm
I fixed it for you.

There you go, you know facts, lol.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 07:54:27 pm
Well. Here we go again.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 08:02:47 pm
Seriously, would you pay $30 to watch this team? I'll give Mike a pass on this year, although he's responsible for recruiting it, but he better win/dance next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 08:17:09 pm
Heck no ha. I barely watch them on tv hahaha. He gets a pass from me too. But he better find a way to recruit. Because next year, he and the program is dead to me if its like this again.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 17, 2016, 08:18:00 pm
Naw the lack of crowd is pathetic far less excuse for that than this teams record. EVERYONE expected Arkansas to struggle this year. The poor arse crowds less than one year after winning 27 games...Seems like when the camera shows the crowd it appears the lack of students attending!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 08:25:32 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 17, 2016, 08:18:00 pm
Naw the lack of crowd is pathetic far less excuse for that than this teams record. EVERYONE expected Arkansas to struggle this year. The poor arse crowds less than one year after winning 27 games...Seems like when the camera shows the crowd it appears the lack of students attending!

Well, the students have about 1000 seats at most on the lower level, and the rest are upper deck behind the south goal. I've got two up there currently, there's not much interest right now.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 08:28:06 pm
Also, he's given this pass, but why? He knew he needed to keep recruiting last year, it wasn't a sure deal that Portis and Qualls would come back, so the lack of talent is on him, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 17, 2016, 08:31:21 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 08:25:32 pm
Well, the students have about 1000 seats at most on the lower level, and the rest are upper deck behind the south goal. I've got two up there currently, there's not much interest right now.

For the most part the crowds have been this way all year. Not to mention at home this team has been good to watch (except tonight). The teams grade maybe an D but the crowds...F!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on February 17, 2016, 09:38:03 pm
Horrible
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 17, 2016, 10:04:54 pm
Tonight might be the low point of Mike Anderson's tenure at Arkansas. Very bad loss in front of 8000 fans, which is probably the lowest Ive ever seen for a conference game this point in the season. Our program is like a former supermodel turning old and wrinkly.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 17, 2016, 11:09:24 pm
Garbage.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 17, 2016, 11:11:43 pm
Man we all sound like Memphis fans. They are more than likely losing a big chunk of change because of their attendance. They were giving tickets away. 11000 season ticket holders and they are averaging less than 6000 a game. They have to average 6700 over their last 3 home games or lose their lease money.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 17, 2016, 11:22:25 pm
Both Arkansas and Memphis are in the same boat. Both programs are underachieving and the fanbase has lost patience. Memphis is worst though. Josh Pastner has probably done less with more than any other coach in the country.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 18, 2016, 12:49:48 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 17, 2016, 08:28:06 pm
Also, he's given this pass, but why? He knew he needed to keep recruiting last year, it wasn't a sure deal that Portis and Qualls would come back, so the lack of talent is on him, that's for sure.
You mean like Ted Kapita, who was signed, but then didn't show up?  Hard to pin that one on Mike, and that's a guy who'd have made an immediate impact.  What about the counterfeit scandal?  Not exactly Mike's fault, but led to one guy leaving the program and another missing 10 games.  Subtract those two incidents and we're several games better.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 07:08:34 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on February 18, 2016, 12:49:48 am
You mean like Ted Kapita, who was signed, but then didn't show up?  Hard to pin that one on Mike, and that's a guy who'd have made an immediate impact.  What about the counterfeit scandal?  Not exactly Mike's fault, but led to one guy leaving the program and another missing 10 games.  Subtract those two incidents and we're several games better.

Why do you think Kapita signed with us??? Because no one else would take a chance on him, he had zero chance, but Mike signed him anyway. Why isn't Kapita going to sign with us again, and don't say he turned pro in France, that fell through.

https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/the-strange-case-of-ted-kapita-arkansas-and-the-amerileague/157906674
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 07:20:06 am
Well, MA needs to recruit better no doubt! He probably did get caught flat footed by not anticipating losing Portis and Qualls. Who knows maybe both of them assured MA that they were staying? Either way it's all on MA but considering what was loss....there was no way this was going to be a 20 win team. When has Arkansas EVER been at the point where it could lose 3-1,000 point career scorers at one time and not miss a beat!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 08:53:54 am
Quote from: Lionheart88 on February 18, 2016, 12:49:48 am
You mean like Ted Kapita, who was signed, but then didn't show up?  Hard to pin that one on Mike, and that's a guy who'd have made an immediate impact.  What about the counterfeit scandal?  Not exactly Mike's fault, but led to one guy leaving the program and another missing 10 games.  Subtract those two incidents and we're several games better.

Ted Kapita didn't show up because he didn't qualify academically. That's absolutely on MA. Coaches get full access to high school transcripts before they even offer a player. A lot of schools backed away when they saw he was a longshot to qualify. Probably the only reason why we even got him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 09:11:48 am
Quote from: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 08:53:54 am
Ted Kapita didn't show up because he didn't qualify academically. That's absolutely on MA. Coaches get full access to high school transcripts before they even offer a player. A lot of schools backed away when they saw he was a longshot to qualify. Probably the only reason why we even got him.

Kipta would not have made a huge difference. True we are thin inside but the lack of quality depth around the perimeter is hurting us even more. Heck we didn't have quality depth inside last year but still won 27 games. MA scheme is very perimeter orientated and right now we only have 3 legit outside players.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 09:12:47 am
MA needs to open his eyes and open up his mind to recruiting. I've said it before. If freaking Iowa state and northern Iowa can find players to put together dang good team, so can we. He better start recruiting out of the box.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 10:17:18 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 09:12:47 am
MA needs to open his eyes and open up his mind to recruiting. I've said it before. If freaking Iowa state and northern Iowa can find players to put together dang good team, so can we. He better start recruiting out of the box.

We lost a transfer to Iowa St in Babb, I never understood that. Babb needed more minutes last year, but for some reason didn't get them.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 12:08:01 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 09:12:47 am
MA needs to open his eyes and open up his mind to recruiting. I've said it before. If freaking Iowa state and northern Iowa can find players to put together dang good team, so can we. He better start recruiting out of the box.

Well that's not a fair comparison MA needs kids that can run HIS system. Now a argument can be made that maybe we shouldn't run such a unique system... I do believe that there are more kids able to run his system than he gives credit. The freshman that beat us last night...heard the commentator say Auburn was his only major college offer!  :o :o Recruiting is tough and you miss a lot, just hope that somehow MA can turn it around because I don't see changing coaches as an answer!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 01:28:36 pm
His system isn't getting it done. This ain't 1995. He needs to open his mind or the state is about the to open the door for him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on February 18, 2016, 01:41:58 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 12:08:01 pm
Well that's not a fair comparison MA needs kids that can run HIS system. Now a argument can be made that maybe we shouldn't run such a unique system... I do believe that there are more kids able to run his system than he gives credit. The freshman that beat us last night...heard the commentator say Auburn was his only major college offer!  :o :o Recruiting is tough and you miss a lot, just hope that somehow MA can turn it around because I don't see changing coaches as an answer!

I agree, he does. He can't seem to find them. Or certainly not enough of them.

The whole "40 minutes of h.ell" system doesn't really work anymore. With all of the timeouts and the way they call fouls you can't just "wear someone out" with pressure full court defense. You either end up giving the other team a ton of free throws or easy layups if/when they break the press. You have to have to be able to go about 9 players deep to even be able to try that and we only have about 4 players that would break the 2 deep on a Nolan team. We lost to a team with 7 players and NO pg and lost last night.

It doesn't look like Mike is capable or willing to change his style either, so we're stuck with what we've got for the foreseeable future.  :-\
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 02:30:40 pm
I think the full court press system still works, you just have to be able to recruit well in order to run the system to max effectiveness. Louisville and Shaka Smart's success are examples that the system still works in college basketball.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 18, 2016, 02:31:11 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 02:30:40 pm
I think the full court press system still works, you just have to be able to recruit well in order to run the system to max effectiveness. Louisville and Shaka Smart's success are examples that the system still works in college basketball.

West Virginia as well.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 02:41:10 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 02:30:40 pm
I think the full court press system still works, you just have to be able to recruit well in order to run the system to max effectiveness. Louisville and Shaka Smart's success are examples that the system still works in college basketball.

It won't work if you have Manny Watkins, Trey Thompson, Willie Kouassi(sp?), and Keaton Miles getting the minutes they are getting. They are not good!


RECRUTING. RECRUITING. RECRUITING.

We produce more excuses than good recruits. Every year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 03:28:47 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 02:41:10 pm
It won't work if you have Manny Watkins, Trey Thompson, Willie Kouassi(sp?), and Keaton Miles getting the minutes they are getting. They are not good!


RECRUTING. RECRUITING. RECRUITING.

We produce more excuses than good recruits. Every year.

Excuses based on reality! The reality is that it's hard as heck to get top players to come to Arkansas...Basketball or Football! With basketball all you need is 1-2 and you can build a team with but Arkansas is definitely at a disadvantage recruiting.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 04:28:05 pm
I really don't think basketball recruiting is as hard as football. In football, you have 25 scholarships to fill with recruiting territories. Basketball coaches at the most have fix or six scholarships to fill and the majority basketball recruits will go virtually anywhere. You can build a team around with a couple of top in-state players like Monk and Allen. Its all about being to relate and sell a vision. If Ben Howland can convince six four star players to play at Starkville I don't see why it should be that difficult at Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 04:40:51 pm
I'm just baffled. How you can't get true talent to come here yet we sell our souls on a Trey Thompson and manny Watkins.

I'm not even sure changing coaches will fix it. Just get a recruiter on staff.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 05:11:24 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 04:40:51 pm
I'm just baffled. How you can't get true talent to come here yet we sell our souls on a Trey Thompson and manny Watkins.

I'm not even sure changing coaches will fix it. Just get a recruiter on staff.

Sell our souls? They're playing because of poor recruiting, pretty simple. I said Thompson was a reach when he was receiving recruiting interest and offers from all over when he was a 9th/10th grader. Manny was a walk on, not much to add besides that.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 05:51:48 pm
Thompson was somewhat similar to Dederick Lee of Clarksville. They were both a bit overhyped early. Thompson was considered an early ESPN top 25 recruit for the 2014 class and had several DI offers. But most schools backed off after evaluating him more and was dropped down to a 2/3 in most of the recruiting services. I saw him play his senior year at Alma and I wasn't impressed at all. He played way too stiff and was soft for a big man. However, he was someone that could go to college and with good coaching develop into a solid post player. I'm more optimistic about Thompson than I have been the last two years. Watkins initially was supposed to play at Missouri State on scholarship but changed his mind and opted to walk-on at Arkansas to play with his father.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 06:12:13 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 04:28:05 pm
I really don't think basketball recruiting is as hard as football. In football, you have 25 scholarships to fill with recruiting territories. Basketball coaches at the most have fix or six scholarships to fill and the majority basketball recruits will go virtually anywhere. You can build a team around with a couple of top in-state players like Monk and Allen. Its all about being to relate and sell a vision. If Ben Howland can convince six four star players to play at Starkville I don't see why it should be that difficult at Arkansas.

I dunno why its so hard either but it IS and you got 30 plus years to show it! Arkansas has never signed nowhere near that many 4* recruits in one class no matter who the coach has been. So is it the coach? Is the program? Is it the school? The location? The state? I for one don't believe it's the coaches. All in all over the last 30 years Arkansas has had some good coaches. The school has more to offer as far as an education and the facilities than ever and better than most of competitors. So what gives?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 06:16:29 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 05:51:48 pm
Thompson was somewhat similar to Dederick Lee of Clarksville. They were both a bit overhyped early. Thompson was considered an early ESPN top 25 recruit for the 2014 class and had several DI offers. But most schools backed off after evaluating him more and was dropped down to a 2/3 in most of the recruiting services. I saw him play his senior year at Alma and I wasn't impressed at all. He played way too stiff and was soft for a big man. However, he was someone that could go to college and with good coaching develop into a solid post player. I'm more optimistic about Thompson than I have been the last two years. Watkins initially was supposed to play at Missouri State on scholarship but changed his mind and opted to walk-on at Arkansas to play with his father.

Trey looks better now then I ever had any hope for. He has slimmed down and appears more athletic. He just a role player, I don't expect much from him, the same with Manny. The problem is outside of Kingsley, the whole team is role players, with Bell and Hannahs being the spot up shooters.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 06:26:22 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 06:12:13 pm
I dunno why its so hard either but it IS and you got 30 plus years to show it! Arkansas has never signed nowhere near that many 4* recruits in one class no matter who the coach has been. So is it the coach? Is the program? Is it the school? The location? The state? I for one don't believe it's the coaches. All in all over the last 30 years Arkansas has had some good coaches. The school has more to offer as far as an education and the facilities than ever and better than most of competitors. So what gives?

Well, Nolan signed several MacDonald's AA, he had some talent, until he decided to quit recruiting. Heath, Pel, and Anderson weren't/aren't good recruiters, unless there was a good in-state player, or a head case. Also, none of them were/are considered top flight coaches. We are paying Anderson like one, but outside of one year at Mizzou, and last year, his team's conference records are very weak.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 06:41:35 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 18, 2016, 06:26:22 pm
Well, Nolan signed several MacDonald's AA, he had some talent, until he decided to quit recruiting. Heath, Pel, and Anderson weren't/aren't good recruiters, unless there was a good in-state player, or a head case. Also, none of them were/are considered top flight coaches. We are paying Anderson like one, but outside of one year at Mizzou, and last year, his team's conference records are very weak.

See I am not buying that the reason Arkansas has not signed top talent over the last 30+ years is due to poor recruiters. The fact that Arkansas has won about 64% of its games and is one of the winingest programs all time (top 30 or so) and many other accolades  recruiting here should not be as difficult as it is. No matter who the coach has been it's been a very hard struggle! After a national championship and a runner-up one would think Nolan should have signed his best classes in 94-97 yet he still struggled. I don't believe he just stop recruiting.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 06:45:06 pm
I think a lot the problems with recruiting have to do with coaching. Nolan proved that you can recruit players to Arkansas. Of course, during the 80s and 90s they didn't have the current recruiting rating system they have now, but those past recruits he brought in probably would have been considered 4 or 5 star players. He was able to get Todd Day and Ron Huery, who were Mcdonald's All Americans. He built a Memphis pipeline of talent to Fayetteville. Then of course, he built a championship team getting Corliss and Scotty, along with solid bigmen like Darnell Robinson and Lee Wilson.

Stan Heath also recruited well, but underachieved with the talent he had. When it comes to college sports, you just can't be a good coach. A coach has to be a great salesman. You have to really embrace the recruiting process. Nolan had a personality and vision that would attract players to Fayetteville. I don't think MA has the same ability. Coaches like Calipari and Coach K could land players anywhere. That's whats happening right now at Auburn and Mississipppi State. Bruce Pearl and Ben Howland are doing a great job selling a vision and relating to these recruits.

That's why its depressing to us being outrecruited by schools with less basketball history. We have a whole lot more to sell. 20,000 seat arena, brand new basketball facility that is one of the largest in the conference, and great history. I just don't have confidence that we have the coaching staff that can do that. I'm willing to bet if Bruce Pearl was the coach here it would be a lot different story.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2016, 06:50:35 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 18, 2016, 06:41:35 pm
See I am not buying that the reason Arkansas has not signed top talent over the last 30+ years is due to poor recruiters. The fact that Arkansas has won about 64% of its games and is one of the winingest programs all time (top 30 or so) and many other accolades  recruiting here should not be as difficult as it is. No matter who the coach has been it's been a very hard struggle! After a national championship and a runner-up one would think Nolan should have signed his best classes in 94-97 yet he still struggled. I don't believe he just stop recruiting.

If I remember correctly, the 95 class was ranked number one. That was the class with Derek Hood, Marlon Towns, Sunday Adebayo, Nick Davis, Jesse Pate, and Pat Bradley. Then, there were some issues of eligibility with Odebayo, Pate, and Towns.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 18, 2016, 07:12:23 pm
Quote from: bdubyab60 on February 17, 2016, 11:11:43 pm
Man we all sound like Memphis fans. They are more than likely losing a big chunk of change because of their attendance. They were giving tickets away. 11000 season ticket holders and they are averaging less than 6000 a game. They have to average 6700 over their last 3 home games or lose their lease money.
Well, If 20,000 would continue to show up to watch pitiful college basketball all the powers that be would be happy campers.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 18, 2016, 07:58:29 pm
Got to have better recruiting
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Tex29 on February 18, 2016, 08:50:25 pm
Is this watch you call better recruiting? http://arkansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Arkansas-to-host-2016-guard-43788533
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 18, 2016, 09:33:21 pm
Yes.


But it means nothing until he is in a hog uniform.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 18, 2016, 10:45:50 pm
Yes it's a start we get the right players in we can be good again, but it starts with better recruiting plain and simple
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 19, 2016, 12:05:41 am
Quote from: fastdrop on February 18, 2016, 07:12:23 pm
Well, If 20,000 would continue to show up to watch pitiful college basketball all the powers that be would be happy campers.
Im sure they would. The Hogs and the Tigers are in pretty similar situations. As far as people wanting new coaches, complaining and where the programs are at this year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 20, 2016, 09:24:38 pm
Well, nice win tonight, even if it was Mizzou. It was an enjoyable DH watching a game at Baum, and seeing Coach Sutton tonight.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 20, 2016, 09:27:21 pm
Go hogs.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 20, 2016, 09:37:48 pm
Way to go Hogs
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 20, 2016, 10:29:34 pm
I was getting a little uneasy at first because they kept hanging around. But we found a way to win.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 21, 2016, 09:56:27 pm
C.J. Jones committed tonight. 6-4 guard out of Birmingham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ublrEg41KM
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 21, 2016, 10:59:40 pm
Looks good. Hopefully he can carry it over to the college level.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 22, 2016, 09:34:05 am
Looks good! Has a nice shooting touch and form. Kinda long, get up there and put some muscle on him and improve his explosiveness...Just wish we could add a couple of quality Bigs!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 22, 2016, 10:24:11 am
Highlight tapes are nice to see but they don't always give you a full look of recruits. You can't get a good evaluation of how he plays defense by watching that video. His offer list isn't overly impressive. He initially was committed to Chattanooga. Other than Arkansas, his only other offer was Middle Tennessee State. Sometimes, you can find some hidden gems with recruits that don't get much attention. Arkansas was Michael Qualls only major division I offer.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 22, 2016, 11:23:10 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 22, 2016, 09:34:05 am
Looks good! Has a nice shooting touch and form. Kinda long, get up there and put some muscle on him and improve his explosiveness...Just wish we could add a couple of quality Bigs!

Doesn't look like they'll be able to add any bigs unless they're on one I don't know about. Ted Kapita is going to SMU, which is frustrating. I guess if Minnesota fired Richard Pitino, Eric Curry might be able to get out of his LOI and could end up here.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on February 22, 2016, 03:31:32 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on February 22, 2016, 11:23:10 am
Doesn't look like they'll be able to add any bigs unless they're on one I don't know about. Ted Kapita is going to SMU, which is frustrating.

IF he qualifies this time. Last thing I saw said he still doesn't have the required test scores.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 22, 2016, 03:42:28 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on February 22, 2016, 03:31:32 pm
IF he qualifies this time. Last thing I saw said he still doesn't have the required test scores.

Yeah, Larry will probably get someone to take the test for him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 23, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
Hey, we're back to average!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 23, 2016, 08:09:55 pm
Yes we are,good win for the hogs
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 23, 2016, 08:58:30 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 23, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
Hey, we're back to average!

Average! Thank goodness!


Off to Hogville....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 23, 2016, 10:56:02 pm
They will get one of those road wins and we get to 9-9 in SEC by holding home court against the Gamecocks, take that to the bank and cash it.... let the haters hate  8)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 23, 2016, 11:56:32 pm
Yep average is good!  ;) Basically we just wore LSU down. Judging from when the camera showed wide shots the crowd was better but still poor attendance. Maybe if the weather had been better... I'm seeing players get better. Thompson looked like a college post player and Jimmy Whitt (Reminds me of a smaller Dr. J) is really coming on. MA won't get credit for his player development but he should!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 24, 2016, 06:59:32 am
I'm really hoping Jilmy Whitt turns into the player we saw in highlights when he was in high school. He just looked the part last night.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 24, 2016, 07:15:52 am
LSU is probably the most underachieving team in the country. Watching LSU underutilize Simmons this season makes it more legitimate for one and done players to sign with the Kentucky's and Duke's.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 24, 2016, 07:38:38 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 24, 2016, 06:59:32 am
I'm really hoping Jilmy Whitt turns into the player we saw in highlights when he was in high school. He just looked the part last night.

I think Whitt will turn out to be an very good player. I would not be surprised if he took a slight step back next year offensively. When you have to change so much on your shooting form like he does...sometimes it takes more than a summer to get it done. I mean it's not like he just needs to get his elbow in or something....he's got a lot going on when shoots from the outside.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 24, 2016, 09:07:51 am
His outside shot looks rough.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on February 24, 2016, 09:30:06 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 23, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
Hey, we're back to average!


Whew.....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 24, 2016, 02:29:17 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 23, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
Hey, we're back to average!

Considering after the three stooges incident and Kapita not being able to play I will take it. I think everyone forgot that guy was supposed to be on our roster and btw he was a 4 star power forward. Only UK would have had a better front line in the SEC had he been available so I will take a 9-9 finish when I thought we were headed for a 4-14 or 5-13 SEC season when the summer of bad luck happened with all that. You need to get all your NE Arkansas brethren straightened out with their trash talk of MA when we win 25 games again next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 24, 2016, 02:46:07 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 24, 2016, 02:29:17 pm
Considering after the three stooges incident and Kapita not being able to play I will take it. I think everyone forgot that guy was supposed to be on our roster and btw he was a 4 star power forward. Only UK would have had a better front line in the SEC had he been available so I will take a 9-9 finish when I thought we were headed for a 4-14 or 5-13 SEC season when the summer of bad luck happened with all that. You need to get all your NE Arkansas brethren straightened out with their trash talk of MA when we win 25 games again next year.

4* doesn't mean a lot, and he was injured and played little if any last year. I think he would have been more in line with Moses, a slow improvement over a couple of years. I don't think too many will complain too much over the final record, just the poor playing and coaching in some games this year. We'll be a 20-10 type team next year, depending on the non-conference schedule. We'll be a bubble NCAA/NIT team, more than likely.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 24, 2016, 03:22:49 pm
It's amazing how some people forget we won 27 games last year with Mike. First time we have done that since 1994-1995. Some of our fans are retarded.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 24, 2016, 06:44:45 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 24, 2016, 03:22:49 pm
It's amazing how some people forget we won 27 games last year with Mike. First time we have done that since 1994-1995. Some of our fans are retarded.

Correct, as of last night he's 100-62 at Arkansas. So, we're looking at a 20-21 win next season on average.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 25, 2016, 01:40:02 pm
I think a realistic goal for next year's bunch in the regular season is 23-8. That's assuming a 31-game regular season and also assuming no injuries/defections, etc.

That would put them firmly in before the SEC Tournament barring them having a very weak RPI or OOC SOS.

As for Jimmy Whitt's shot form, I've always been a proponent of "if it goes in, who cares what it looks like." Ronnie Brewer's shot looked disgusting but he was the SEC POY as a junior and was a first rounder.

I think Whitt will be even better next year now that he's acclimated to the physicality of the high major D1 game, especially the SEC.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 25, 2016, 02:15:54 pm
I agree. I always thought the same thing about Ronnie's shot. As long as it goes in ha.


Now next year, if MA doesn't get it done. I think it will be time for a change.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 25, 2016, 04:35:02 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on February 25, 2016, 01:40:02 pm
I think a realistic goal for next year's bunch in the regular season is 23-8. That's assuming a 31-game regular season and also assuming no injuries/defections, etc.

That would put them firmly in before the SEC Tournament barring them having a very weak RPI or OOC SOS.

As for Jimmy Whitt's shot form, I've always been a proponent of "if it goes in, who cares what it looks like." Ronnie Brewer's shot looked disgusting but he was the SEC POY as a junior and was a first rounder.

I think Whitt will be even better next year now that he's acclimated to the physicality of the high major D1 game, especially the SEC.

Brewer had a physical injury that made his form so bad. If you remember he was never a consistent outside shooter.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 25, 2016, 04:54:44 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 25, 2016, 04:35:02 pm
Brewer had a physical injury that made his form so bad. If you remember he was never a consistent outside shooter.

Oh trust me, I know all about the water slide accident. He was a good enough outside shooter but he impacted the game in so many other ways. Such a great defender and those arms he would stick out in passing lanes and get so many deflections. Plus he was a great finisher. That Alabama game in '06 where he gets the and 1 sticks out in my mind.

I've always wondered, what if he'd stayed for his senior year and played with Ervin/Weems/Beverley & Co.? Could've been dangerous. Probably would've saved Heath's job.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 25, 2016, 05:10:27 pm
Looks like the staff have their sights on at least two big men, both originally from overseas: http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2016/feb/25/arkansas-looking-another-big-man-/
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 25, 2016, 05:13:58 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on February 25, 2016, 04:54:44 pm
Oh trust me, I know all about the water slide accident. He was a good enough outside shooter but he impacted the game in so many other ways. Such a great defender and those arms he would stick out in passing lanes and get so many deflections. Plus he was a great finisher. That Alabama game in '06 where he gets the and 1 sticks out in my mind.

I've always wondered, what if he'd stayed for his senior year and played with Ervin/Weems/Beverley & Co.? Could've been dangerous. Probably would've saved Heath's job.
Not to mention Steven Hill.  That guy was so much fun to watch, even though it seemed like he had more blocks than points half the time.  lol
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 25, 2016, 06:11:53 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on February 25, 2016, 04:54:44 pm
Oh trust me, I know all about the water slide accident. He was a good enough outside shooter but he impacted the game in so many other ways. Such a great defender and those arms he would stick out in passing lanes and get so many deflections. Plus he was a great finisher. That Alabama game in '06 where he gets the and 1 sticks out in my mind.

I've always wondered, what if he'd stayed for his senior year and played with Ervin/Weems/Beverley & Co.? Could've been dangerous. Probably would've saved Heath's job.

Whitt 6-3 or 6-4 Brewer 6-6 or 6-7. Whitt has to have a outside shot or just be a defensive specialist. If his dream is to make it to the next level....hardly anyone his size or his position has that poor of form in the NBA. You can let him continue to shoot it the way he does...but IMO it's a disservice to the kid because he could be better if he makes the change now.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 26, 2016, 10:21:40 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 25, 2016, 06:11:53 pm
Whitt 6-3 or 6-4 Brewer 6-6 or 6-7. Whitt has to have a outside shot or just be a defensive specialist. If his dream is to make it to the next level....hardly anyone his size or his position has that poor of form in the NBA. You can let him continue to shoot it the way he does...but IMO it's a disservice to the kid because he could be better if he makes the change now.

I don't keep up with everyone in the NBA to know that, but yeah, typically you don't see that poor of form on most guys. I don't really care if he goes to the NBA or not, I just want him to be successful as a Hog. He seems like a good dude and has a steady head on his shoulders. Even if he doesn't make the league or overseas, I think he will be successful in whatever he does in life.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 27, 2016, 08:01:11 pm
Nobody got any commentary today?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 27, 2016, 08:21:35 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on February 27, 2016, 08:01:11 pm
Nobody got any commentary today?

Back to above average!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 27, 2016, 08:29:23 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 27, 2016, 08:21:35 pm
Back to above average!

No. We are still average. Barely!

But I'll take the win for sure!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 27, 2016, 09:03:30 pm
Go Piggies Go  ;D
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on February 27, 2016, 09:13:53 pm
Trey Thompson is playing like the light is starting to come on. Anyone agree?  Dusty Hannahs and Moses Kingsley will be ridiculous next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on February 27, 2016, 09:15:11 pm
Whitt has to work on that horrible horrible shot. He is great off the dribble. I mean great. If he can get his jumper even average, he could explode next year because of his ability to get to the rim
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 27, 2016, 09:37:52 pm
Good road win.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 27, 2016, 09:47:16 pm
I was worried the first half not much energy on defense and on the boards.Yeah Thompson and Whitt are coming on. Beard played better tonight his shot selection is still a head scratcher at times.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on February 27, 2016, 10:26:04 pm
Whitt's Jump is really strange. Lol. He looks like a flopping fish.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 27, 2016, 11:31:38 pm
Ugliest shots in Arkansas Basketball History:
1. Nick Davis
2. Jimmy Whitt
3. Ronnie Brewer
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on February 27, 2016, 11:52:54 pm
Agreed!!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Pokey03 on February 28, 2016, 01:02:58 am
Just maybe, we finish above .500
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 28, 2016, 07:08:32 pm
Quote from: Pokey03 on February 28, 2016, 01:02:58 am
Just maybe, we finish above .500

There is a jumbled up mess with the 8-8 teams. Anyone that wins their last two games of those 8-8 could jump all the way to the 5 seed. The last two games are huge for the pod of 8-8 teams.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 29, 2016, 07:50:53 am
I'm hoping we make a a huge run in the SEC tourney. It would be fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on February 29, 2016, 08:56:27 am
As wide open as the league is, if they truly are pulling it together right now, they could make some serious noise
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lions84 on February 29, 2016, 09:10:55 am
Hogs on a win streak at the right time.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on February 29, 2016, 09:23:39 am
I have said it all year. If we want to compete in this down year we have got to get some production from our bench. It's starting to get to that point now and I'm glad.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 29, 2016, 09:32:24 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 29, 2016, 07:50:53 am
I'm hoping we make a a huge run in the SEC tourney. It would be fun to watch.

I'm sure most of the folks on here remember the 2000 run. This team is a lot like that team. Very young, but with a lot of potential, and the bench started contributing a lot more down the stretch. This team doesn't have a Joe Johnson, but the trio of Ant, Dusty & Moses and the emergence of guys like Trey & Whitt is paying big dividends. Plus a steady point guard in Jabril.

I also really liked how Anton played Saturday night. Really the only player I was displeased with was Keaton Miles.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 29, 2016, 09:39:58 am
I think a great run in the tourney would mend some of the bleeding dealing with MA. At least for this year.

Here's hoping for a 2000 type tourney run.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on February 29, 2016, 09:40:28 am
Jabril is underrated. He is the classic pg and he plays pretty good defense!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on February 29, 2016, 09:44:03 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 29, 2016, 09:40:28 am
Jabril is underrated. He is the classic pg and he plays pretty good defense!

Definitely. He has some nice hands. We saw a few weeks ago that he has a good 3 point shot.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 29, 2016, 09:57:11 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on February 29, 2016, 09:40:28 am
Jabril is underrated. He is the classic pg and he plays pretty good defense!

Maybe a slight bit off of comparison, but he is a Janero Pargo type. Solid player but flies under the radar.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 01, 2016, 10:04:07 am
Quote from: AirWarren on February 29, 2016, 09:57:11 am
Maybe a slight bit off of comparison, but he is a Janero Pargo type. Solid player but flies under the radar.

Yeah, Pargo was a way better shooter, but Jabril is your prototypical pass-first point guard. Pargo wasn't afraid to jack up 20 shots a game, and shot a pretty decent percentage.

http://www.hogstats.com/players/player.php?id=19 (http://www.hogstats.com/players/player.php?id=19)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 01, 2016, 10:51:42 am
Its a winnable SEC Tournament. There's no one in the field that's not beatable, although Kentucky and Texas A&M are tougher neutral courts opponents for Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 01, 2016, 12:55:36 pm
We have beaten A&M once already. We should have beaten Kentucky. I think we have as good as chance as anyone to win it. Hopefully we won't get in a situation where we have to shoot the 3 every time. That's when we flop.

It appears we are one of those teams that has to ease into the raining of 3s. Which is fine. Great way to seal the deal.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on March 01, 2016, 03:18:35 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 01, 2016, 12:55:36 pm
We have beaten A&M once already. We should have beaten Kentucky. I think we have as good as chance as anyone to win it. Hopefully we won't get in a situation where we have to shoot the 3 every time. That's when we flop.

It appears we are one of those teams that has to ease into the raining of 3s. Which is fine. Great way to seal the deal.
Were we watching the same game?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 01, 2016, 03:40:18 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on March 01, 2016, 03:18:35 pm
We're we watching the same game?

Don't think so, we weren't ever in that one, although it wasn't a blowout.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 02, 2016, 09:16:17 pm
A lot of touch fouls tonight
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 02, 2016, 09:23:50 pm
Whitt is just another disappointment to me.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 02, 2016, 09:42:26 pm
I believe I heard one of the commentators call Alabama a "bubba" team instead of a bubble team. What a freudian slip. I love it. We know what he thinks of Alabama people.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 02, 2016, 09:49:17 pm
Woooo Pig Sooie don't send me to bed disappointed  :)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 02, 2016, 10:07:17 pm
Neither team acted like they wanted to win that game but we somehow pull it out. Get the Gamecocks and we finish 10-8 in SEC play. Go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 02, 2016, 10:17:02 pm
Go hogs!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on March 02, 2016, 10:19:57 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 02, 2016, 09:23:50 pm
Whitt is just another disappointment to me.

What were you expecting this kid to come in avg double figures?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 07:00:02 am
Guess I just bought into the recruiting forums hype machine.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on March 03, 2016, 07:17:52 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 07:00:02 am
Guess I just bought into the recruiting forums hype machine.

Well I think he's had a solid freshman year. Never thought he would come in and be a freshman phenom. I see a lot of upside with him. Work on his shot add some weight and strength next year should be an impact year for him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 09:21:59 am
I can agree with that. It's been a rough year but I see some huge potential for Mike Anderson next year if he can keep his team intact.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 03, 2016, 11:05:25 am
Whitt had actually had a couple of good games here lately. I think he can be a solid player just has to get that shot to fall consistently whether they tweak it or not. But there were some in other boards that had him as just a notch below Monk. I wasn't expecting that but maybe a little better than what I initially saw. But I have seen improvement and like I said I think he can be a solid contributor over the next few year.

Even Miles looked better last night. Kouassi is way to timid.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 11:24:03 am
Kouassi should be dominating on the boards at this point. He needs to add some muscle too.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 03, 2016, 11:36:39 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 11:24:03 am
Kouassi should be dominating on the boards at this point. He needs to add some muscle too.

Kouassi has 2 or 3 games left in his career, unless he's going to play in some obscure league overseas somewhere.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 03, 2016, 11:47:57 am
I thought he was a junior. Well....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on March 03, 2016, 05:45:25 pm
That has been the problem all year can't seem to ever get the whole team to play at their highest level. Thompson was coming on strong the last few games then last night disappeared. Miles has been MIA for a long time and then showed up last night. If they can get all the parts working and going hard all out at the same time...they would be a tough out for the SEC tourney!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 03, 2016, 09:46:56 pm
There is a reason I am particularly loyal to MA compared to the other coaches at the U of A. I like all of the coaches but you have to think of MA's background that a lot of people forget so quickly. He has a connection that no other coaches in the other sports have. He was a part of the 90's success. He left after the Nolan situation and went on to do his own thing and grow as an individual starting at a beginner's job at UAB. Once, he got rolling mid major schools could not handle his system. Then he goes to Mizzou and gets it rolling there. He could have stayed at Mizzou and kept the machine rolling for countless years because that is where he was headed in a more fertile recruiting ground between KC and St Louis. Or he even could have landed a better job. Instead the man chose to come back here and build something where he has the deepest connection. I truly believe all our coaches love the U of A but I believe no one loves it more than MA. He may not be the most fiery or most emotional guy but I know deep down he loves Arkansas with all his heart. He would have never come back had he not. I believe if he stays here long enough we will see more consistency and believe it or not more sweet 16 to final 4 type years. That is why I don't want anyone else at Arkansas and feel so loyal to MA.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 04, 2016, 07:18:31 am
I'd say Van Horn has more of a connection since he played and graduated from the UofA, lol, as did Jimmy Dykes.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 04, 2016, 02:02:56 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 04, 2016, 07:18:31 am
I'd say Van Horn has more of a connection since he played and graduated from the UofA, lol, as did Jimmy Dykes.

Not on the level of success as MA winning IT ALL with Nolan and getting their again one year later in 95'.... that is what I am talking about. Van Horn has been deep at Omaha but never to the level MA felt in the mid 90's. MA took more of a risk too. Being in the south for baseball in SEC recruits for itself. I am not taking away from Van Horn but that is a fact about college baseball. Weather in the south simply promotes a high level of youth baseball for him to recruit from. MA left a machine that was beginning to fire on all pistons for a much worse situation here. I respect what he did.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 04, 2016, 02:47:04 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 04, 2016, 02:02:56 pm
Not on the level of success as MA winning IT ALL with Nolan and getting their again one year later in 95'.... that is what I am talking about. Van Horn has been deep at Omaha but never to the level MA felt in the mid 90's. MA took more of a risk too. Being in the south for baseball in SEC recruits for itself. I am not taking away from Van Horn but that is a fact about college baseball. Weather in the south simply promotes a high level of youth baseball for him to recruit from. MA left a machine that was beginning to fire on all pistons for a much worse situation here. I respect what he did.

So, you get credit for winning it all as an assistant? I don't have a problem with him, outside of not hiring a recruiter to be on his staff, but I don't give him credit for what Nolan did either. Scott Edgar got the ball rolling with recruiting for Nolan, no doubt on that.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 05:08:20 pm
Garbage.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 05:12:00 pm
The audible BOOs sound really nice on tv.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 05:14:34 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 05:12:00 pm
The audible BOOs sound really nice on tv.

Are they as loud as yours?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 05:45:29 pm
No. Mine is echoing off the tall ceilings ha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 06:53:45 pm
It is what I expected though.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 07:13:27 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 06:53:45 pm
It is what I expected though.

Yep, very inconsistent. We go as our 3pt shooting goes, or just shooting period. We're capable of winning a couple of games, or being blown off the court in the first game.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 07:37:21 pm
Maybe next year. For MA sake, he better win ALOT of games.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 05, 2016, 09:25:12 pm
Arkansas vs. Florida on Thursday at noon in the SEC Tournament.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 05, 2016, 10:59:57 pm
See ya next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 10, 2016, 02:39:01 pm
WOMP. WOMP. WOMP........
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 10, 2016, 03:02:48 pm
Average, just like many of us said.   ;D
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 10, 2016, 03:07:52 pm
Gonna be fun watching Hannahs and Kingsley with the JUCO guys next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on March 10, 2016, 04:14:58 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 10, 2016, 03:02:48 pm
Average, just like many of us said.   ;D

Yep that's about sums it up! When they shoot well they were a notch or two above average when they don't...Had they had the leadership they probably could have reached 20 wins.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 10, 2016, 04:20:55 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on March 10, 2016, 04:14:58 pm
Yep that's about sums it up! When they shoot well they were a notch or two above average when they don't...Had they had the leadership they probably could have reached 20 wins.

Leadership as in coaching? I think coaching cost them a game or two this year, and talent cost them about 13.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 10, 2016, 06:44:49 pm
Thank you to all the seniors.... I really enjoyed seeing Durham play like he did out of nowhere and be so unselfish. That says a lot about him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 10, 2016, 08:26:17 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 10, 2016, 03:02:48 pm
Average, just like many of us said.   ;D

Barely average.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 10, 2016, 09:59:01 pm
Well at least the season is over right. Hopefully MA does something with what's coming in added to what we have. If not we'll have to hear hot seat talk all over again.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on March 10, 2016, 11:39:07 pm
I think MA will get more out of next years team
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 01:05:30 am
Next years team will be top 20 to start season. Hannahs is a freaking baller!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 01:12:34 am
I'll even go so far as to say that they make at least the elite 8
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 11, 2016, 06:42:11 am
We say that every year. I'm just "ehhh" when it comes to them. They are going to have to show me. They won 27 last year under Mike. They can do it again but I want to see it. Not hope for it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on March 11, 2016, 08:23:49 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 10, 2016, 08:26:17 pm
Barely average.
::)  If you're average, you're always barely average.  One game either way and you wouldn't be average anymore.  That's how "average" works.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 11, 2016, 11:49:42 am
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 01:12:34 am
I'll even go so far as to say that they make at least the elite 8
Why such a low expectation? They were good this year and next year with a break or two could win it all.

Some of you are a hoot. Especially Smack.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 11, 2016, 11:56:10 am
Quote from: fastdrop on March 11, 2016, 11:49:42 am
Why such a low expectation? They were good this year and next year with a break or two could win it all.

Some of you are a hoot. Especially Smack.

Raised that $10m yet?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on March 11, 2016, 01:05:16 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on March 11, 2016, 11:49:42 am
Why such a low expectation? They were good this year and next year with a break or two could win it all.

Some of you are a hoot. Especially Smack.

We're talking about fund raising.  I've got one for you and I'll start the ball.  I'm proposing a fund that is payable to Fastie if he will leave this board and never come back.  I'll put the first hundred bucks in.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 11, 2016, 04:20:35 pm
27 wins next year. Take it to the bank and cash it.....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 04:26:08 pm
Anyone else feel like Hannahs could have a POY type season next year if he improves on D?
I think the influx of shooters will greatly benefit him
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on March 11, 2016, 04:33:30 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 10, 2016, 04:20:55 pm
Leadership as in coaching? I think coaching cost them a game or two this year, and talent cost them about 13.

Well yeah maybe some coaching but for the most part MA did a great job getting what he could out of a team so limited. The leadership I was talking about was on the floor.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 11, 2016, 07:00:10 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 04:26:08 pm
Anyone else feel like Hannahs could have a POY type season next year if he improves on D?
I think the influx of shooters will greatly benefit him

Nope, his shots will go down next year, IMO, but he should benefit from it. The POY will be a big guy from somewhere.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 07:04:20 pm
Kingsley perhaps
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 11, 2016, 07:20:43 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on March 11, 2016, 07:04:20 pm
Kingsley perhaps

Maybe, but only if we're in the hunt.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 12, 2016, 09:14:11 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 11, 2016, 11:56:10 am
Raised that $10m yet?
Worst contract ever.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 12, 2016, 09:33:27 am
Quote from: bdubyab60 on March 12, 2016, 09:14:11 am
Worst contract ever.

Not for Pastner, lol....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Radiotalker on March 13, 2016, 01:57:07 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 11, 2016, 06:42:11 am
We say that every year. I'm just "ehhh" when it comes to them. They are going to have to show me. They won 27 last year under Mike. They can do it again but I want to see it. Not hope for it.

Kinda like football
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 13, 2016, 03:07:34 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 12, 2016, 09:33:27 am
Not for Pastner, lol....
Definitely not lol.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 13, 2016, 07:41:40 pm
Next season to me is just a wait and see approach. On paper, we should be better. But I think some fans are putting too much hope on these JUCO players. The fact is there's no more Larry Johnson's, Steve Francis, Shawn Kemp's or Chris Porter's that go JUCO anymore. Most top prep players that don't make grades go to prep school or some other alternate route. If you research the top JUCO players in the last five years and see their production, not many have really panned out. Not saying it won't be the case with these JUCO players coming in, but I don't think anyone should be immediately expecting 25+ wins and a sweet 16 berth.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on March 13, 2016, 08:35:25 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 13, 2016, 07:41:40 pm
Next season to me is just a wait and see approach. On paper, we should be better. But I think some fans are putting too much hope on these JUCO players. The fact is there's no more Larry Johnson's, Steve Francis, Shawn Kemp's or Chris Porter's that go JUCO anymore. Most top prep players that don't make grades go to prep school or some other alternate route. If you research the top JUCO players in the last five years and see their production, not many have really panned out. Not saying it won't be the case with these JUCO players coming in, but I don't think anyone should be immediately expecting 25+ wins and a sweet 16 berth.

FWIW, Kemp didn't actually play at juco level, dropped out and went pro after a semester....but I tend to agree with the point your making...2 of top 5 juco from last season averaged 10+ points, 1 went pro, and 2 averaged less than 3 points a game
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 14, 2016, 07:07:51 am
Quote from: Romeo on March 13, 2016, 07:41:40 pm
Next season to me is just a wait and see approach. On paper, we should be better. But I think some fans are putting too much hope on these JUCO players. The fact is there's no more Larry Johnson's, Steve Francis, Shawn Kemp's or Chris Porter's that go JUCO anymore. Most top prep players that don't make grades go to prep school or some other alternate route. If you research the top JUCO players in the last five years and see their production, not many have really panned out. Not saying it won't be the case with these JUCO players coming in, but I don't think anyone should be immediately expecting 25+ wins and a sweet 16 berth.

I think the years of consistent 20+ wins every year are over.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 14, 2016, 10:15:51 am
Quote from: mack on March 11, 2016, 01:05:16 pm
We're talking about fund raising.  I've got one for you and I'll start the ball.  I'm proposing a fund that is payable to Fastie if he will leave this board and never come back.  I'll put the first hundred bucks in.
"GOOD" Smack. Your post wouldn't get you invited even to the Vegas 16.

But hey I am all in make it rain Smack!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/1pT35.gif)

Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 14, 2016, 10:39:15 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 12, 2016, 09:33:27 am
Not for Pastner, lol....
and Anderson ain't laughing his way to the bank.

But hey it is what it is two "GOOD TEAMS" getting their monies worth.

I will bet Smack Memphis has a better season than Arkansas next year. Bet him that if that happens he disappears from Fearless Friday and if Arkansas has the better season I will see ya later alligator.

Of course Smack and I will have to work out the details of what a better season is. To me the season starts in March.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 14, 2016, 11:03:07 am
Not saying Anderson isnt getting paid. But just think  that not even the elite coaches got what Pastner got at Memphis. Most of the contracts have decreasing buyouts or the ability to payout the remainder in increments. Basically Pastner gets his 2.65mil a year until his contract runs out if they fire him. Not a thing Memphis can do about it either, they jumped the gun some on that.

They are in a tough spot there in Memphis as far as that goes. They have to weigh the value of money lost on the lease from Fed Ex compared to the buyout. Then how much damage is it going ot do to the program keeping a coach most no longer want. As long as the bosses are on board with Pastner hes good. He hasnt been horrible there but Calipari left him with some high expectations to live up to.

Hogs are in the same boat with MA. Ive seen more posts for gettng rid of him than for keeping him. But would seem that the bosses have his back for now. Attendance gets lower than this year and you could really see some truly upset folks.

If the Hogs start off good next year it will be all praises and look how good we are. But lose the first game of the season next year or for probably every loss there calls for him to be fired and it will be worse than this year by a lot.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 14, 2016, 11:49:15 am
Quote from: bdubyab60 on March 14, 2016, 11:03:07 am
Not saying Anderson isnt getting paid. But just think  that not even the elite coaches got what Pastner got at Memphis. Most of the contracts have decreasing buyouts or the ability to payout the remainder in increments. Basically Pastner gets his 2.65mil a year until his contract runs out if they fire him. Not a thing Memphis can do about it either, they jumped the gun some on that.

They are in a tough spot there in Memphis as far as that goes. They have to weigh the value of money lost on the lease from Fed Ex compared to the buyout. Then how much damage is it going ot do to the program keeping a coach most no longer want. As long as the bosses are on board with Pastner hes good. He hasnt been horrible there but Calipari left him with some high expectations to live up to.

Hogs are in the same boat with MA. Ive seen more posts for gettng rid of him than for keeping him. But would seem that the bosses have his back for now. Attendance gets lower than this year and you could really see some truly upset folks.

If the Hogs start off good next year it will be all praises and look how good we are. But lose the first game of the season next year or for probably every loss there calls for him to be fired and it will be worse than this year by a lot.

I've said this, the pilot light has been lit, whether or not the knob gets turned up will depend on the season next year. Two things worked against us on attendance this year, crappy home schedule, and our record. They actually had a small increase in season ticket sales over the previous year, the walk up crowd and actual attendance was down, though.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 14, 2016, 03:20:00 pm
I don't like the current state of our program but you might as well get used to MA. Jeff Long is going to ride for his boy. From what he said over the radio, he doesn't even count the first three seasons. The big reason why he won't fire MA anytime soon is the APR. Arkansas was in a complete academic mess back in 2007. Its one of the main reasons why Dana Altman bolted after 24 hours. There were at least six players in danger of not even being eligible to play. Pelphrey did his best to clean up the situation but ultimately we couldn't avoid getting penalized by the NCAA. MA came in and brought the academic numbers from penalty levels to an almost 1000 score. There was a record number team GPA one semester. He also cleaned up the discipline issues, other than the one incident last year with the counterfeit money. JL feels a sense of loyalty to MA and he's going to let him keep working. It would take an enormous amount of pressure from fans and boosters for JL to fire Anderson.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 14, 2016, 06:08:19 pm
I'm with Rice on this one. I believe JL has MAs back. But fans will be very unhappy if next year is not a good one that's all there is to it.

We should be in the tourney more than we are out of it. You can do that and have good grades. Crap Ben Simmons didn't even go to class, got to play and isn't going to hurt LSUs numbers. Wanna talk about a Cauchy that's underachieved. With the talent he's had they should have easily been a tourney team.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 17, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
If Arkansas likes mediocre then MA is your guy. Every 3 or 4 years he might have a team make the NCAA playoffs and win a game or two. Otherwise this year's team is what you will have the rest of the time. MA just can't recruit, look at all the talent that keeps leaving to go play elsewhere. Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Lionheart88 on March 18, 2016, 03:34:31 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 17, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
If Arkansas likes mediocre then MA is your guy. Every 3 or 4 years he might have a team make the NCAA playoffs and win a game or two. Otherwise this year's team is what you will have the rest of the time. MA just can't recruit, look at all the talent that keeps leaving to go play elsewhere. Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full.
That's not really the case at all.  The lowest home attendance for a weekend conference game (MSU) was over 11,000, with 13-14k being more normal.  The midweek games were generally lower, but even a few of them were up over 10k, and only one was below 8,000.  Now sure, when Evansville came to town on a Tuesday in early December there were only 4500 in the stands, but that's an outlier, not the new normal.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 18, 2016, 06:19:24 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 17, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
If Arkansas likes mediocre then MA is your guy. Every 3 or 4 years he might have a team make the NCAA playoffs and win a game or two. Otherwise this year's team is what you will have the rest of the time. MA just can't recruit, look at all the talent that keeps leaving to go play elsewhere. Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full.

So, would that have been the game a "few years ago" in 1994 or 1995 against Montevallo? Just what exactly is your definition of "few"?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on March 18, 2016, 10:07:02 am
Quote from: fastdrop on March 14, 2016, 10:39:15 am
and Anderson ain't laughing his way to the bank.

But hey it is what it is two "GOOD TEAMS" getting their monies worth.

I will bet Smack Memphis has a better season than Arkansas next year. Bet him that if that happens he disappears from Fearless Friday and if Arkansas has the better season I will see ya later alligator.

Of course Smack and I will have to work out the details of what a better season is. To me the season starts in March.

I am down with that for sure.  I'll risk the chance of a lifetime of creeping on here instead of posting if it gets you out of sight and mind.  Make it easy.  Whoever goes farthest in the NCAA tournament next year.  If one of us doesn't make the tournament, that's a loss.  If both of us miss the tournament, it's season record.

You good to go with this?  I am.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 18, 2016, 10:13:27 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 17, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
If Arkansas likes mediocre then MA is your guy. Every 3 or 4 years he might have a team make the NCAA playoffs and win a game or two. Otherwise this year's team is what you will have the rest of the time. MA just can't recruit, look at all the talent that keeps leaving to go play elsewhere. Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full.

This is so full of inaccuracies. If you don't like Mike, that's fine, but don't misrepresent the facts.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 18, 2016, 12:25:39 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 18, 2016, 10:13:27 am
This is so full of inaccuracies. If you don't like Mike, that's fine, but don't misrepresent the facts.
What did I misrepresent?

Why is all the top talent in Arkansas leaving?

Why can't MA get better PLAYERS?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 18, 2016, 12:31:02 pm
Quote from: Lionheart88 on March 18, 2016, 03:34:31 am
That's not really the case at all.  The lowest home attendance for a weekend conference game (MSU) was over 11,000, with 13-14k being more normal.  The midweek games were generally lower, but even a few of them were up over 10k, and only one was below 8,000.  Now sure, when Evansville came to town on a Tuesday in early December there were only 4500 in the stands, but that's an outlier, not the new normal.
And what games did you watch? Average 14k per game, ATTENDANCE was no where near that. You could see all the empty seats on TV. Bet that if you go back and look it up, you'll see I'm right.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 18, 2016, 01:03:37 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 18, 2016, 12:31:02 pm
And what games did you watch? Average 14k per game, ATTENDANCE was no where near that. You could see all the empty seats on TV. Bet that if you go back and look it up, you'll see I'm right.

I love when people who don't go to the games, and yet complain about attendance, lol. Maybe a little ironic, you think??
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Moonshiner on March 18, 2016, 01:55:54 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 18, 2016, 12:25:39 pm
What did I misrepresent?

Why is all the top talent in Arkansas leaving?

Why can't MA get better PLAYERS?

It's pretty obvious to me, that the better in state players don't want to go to Arkansas.  Is it possible that more of them start going to UALR?  ASU hasn't had much homegrown talent lately, but that might change with a new Coach.
Now I'm not talking about Malik Monk caliber talent. But the guys that used to always go to Ole Miss.  Or Minnesota, or wherever.  Wichita State.    i think other programs are realizing there is a lot of basketball talent and athleticism in Arkansas
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Valleysports on March 18, 2016, 02:44:27 pm
In Jonesboro a few mins ricepig KJBR
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 18, 2016, 03:20:48 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 17, 2016, 10:33:13 pm
If Arkansas likes mediocre then MA is your guy. Every 3 or 4 years he might have a team make the NCAA playoffs and win a game or two. Otherwise this year's team is what you will have the rest of the time. MA just can't recruit, look at all the talent that keeps leaving to go play elsewhere. Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full.

We have crappy attendance because you live in a state where they enjoy watching not even professionals but amateurs beating FCS teams while we finish 6-6 or 7-5 in football more than the sport of basketball..... It baffles me. We simply do not live in a basketball culture. Welcome to the south! All of us discussing this obviously love basketball but that is not the case in general here. Look at Big Ten crowds. Even if Illinois, Michigan, Purdue, or Iowa has a rare  off year the arena is still rowdy on their 17 win years just as much as the 25 win years. Recruits don't want to play in front of wishy-washy crowds.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on March 18, 2016, 10:58:24 pm
Jimmy Whitt to transfer. Third player in two seasons.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 18, 2016, 11:08:45 pm
Quote from: Proud Buckaroo on March 18, 2016, 10:58:24 pm
Jimmy Whitt to transfer. Third player in two seasons.

This is awful to say cause I don't like to personally drag down a kid( yes I say kid cause he isn't even through his freshman year, that is still a kid to me) but I did not see him turning into much of a player anyway.... I think he saw the writing on the wall he wasn't getting more minutes with the guys coming in and Hannahs coming back. This isn't as big as it seems. I think he was headed toward not playing as much as he originally thought when he was a "highly touted" recruit. I never harbor ill will when people transfer so best wishes to him and I hope he finds a better fit and I hope it works for us too. He was going to be a role player here and that is it. He seems like a guy that has to have the ball in his hands a lot and that isn't happening here.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on March 18, 2016, 11:15:10 pm
But, the fact that Arkansas will not have any sophmore/freshmen to develop next season.... That bothers me. If he worked on his 3PT shot. He could of been a threat.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 18, 2016, 11:18:43 pm
Quote from: Proud Buckaroo on March 18, 2016, 11:15:10 pm
But, the fact that Arkansas will not have any sophomore/freshmen to develop next season.... That bothers me. If he worked on his 3PT shot. He could of been a threat.

I agree with that. I think we will be ok for next year but if he doesn't figure something out it could get ugly for the future not having balance in numbers in each class.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on March 18, 2016, 11:37:49 pm
One more bad year... And I think MA should be gone. I have backed him the last 5. We all knew this season would be a disaster. 16 wins is pretty solid for me. I had us at 13-14 wins. We exceeded that. Lost A LOT of close games. Lost games we shouldn't have. Looking forward to next season.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 19, 2016, 08:52:10 am
Is it set in stone he will transfer?

Honestly the kid never looked happy to be at Arkansas on the court.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 19, 2016, 08:53:42 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 19, 2016, 08:52:10 am
Is it set in stone he will transfer?

Honestly the kid never looked happy to be at Arkansas on the court.

Nobody knows, only thing has come from Ebola, so?????
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 19, 2016, 09:49:15 am
Quote from: mack on March 18, 2016, 10:07:02 am
I am down with that for sure.  I'll risk the chance of a lifetime of creeping on here instead of posting if it gets you out of sight and mind.  Make it easy.  Whoever goes farthest in the NCAA tournament next year.  If one of us doesn't make the tournament, that's a loss.  If both of us miss the tournament, it's season record.

You good to go with this?  I am.
(http://www.gifwave.com/media/335077_nod-version-editingandlayout-johnson-jeremiah.gif)

BTW - You left out the possibility of a tie in the big dance. Both could win the same amount of games or loose right off the bat. I suggest we let RP flip a coin if that happens. I got heads.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 19, 2016, 10:04:51 am
Saw where y'all couldn't come up with the $10m FD, a better bet would be who gets fired first, MA or JP.......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 19, 2016, 10:15:27 am
Yep, Crazy how the mid majors are doing in basketball this year. Looks to me like less $$ might be more incentive.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on March 19, 2016, 10:16:51 am
and heck it was a good bet for FD at least we will have some talent on our team. P does at least recruit.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 19, 2016, 12:45:04 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 19, 2016, 08:53:42 am
Nobody knows, only thing has come from Ebola, so?????

I got the Whitt thread locked. Heck I didn't even do anything.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on March 19, 2016, 07:54:50 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on March 19, 2016, 09:49:15 am
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BTW - You left out the possibility of a tie in the big dance. Both could win the same amount of games or loose right off the bat. I suggest we let RP flip a coin if that happens. I got heads.


I'm your Huckleberry!  The RP flip is a good idea.

It's on.......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 19, 2016, 08:04:32 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 18, 2016, 01:03:37 pm
I love when people who don't go to the games, and yet complain about attendance, lol. Maybe a little ironic, you think??
Have attended several games over the years. Watch the games on TV when I can't attend so I've seen first hand the attendance.

Next please!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 20, 2016, 10:18:58 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 19, 2016, 08:04:32 pm
Have attended several games over the years. Watch the games on TV when I can't attend so I've seen first hand the attendance.

Next please!!

No next to it, if you are watching at home and complaining about attendance, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Why aren't you at every game? You seem to expect that of others, shouldn't you be held to the same standard?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 20, 2016, 10:05:51 pm
Watching northern Iowa. Wisconsin. Still don't understand why we can't find these white boys that can shoot the ball like they have. Wisconsin had to replace an entire team from back to back final four teams AND a new head coach. What does that get them, the sweet 16.

We seem to recruit juco's and you tube hype stars. I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 21, 2016, 08:32:33 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 20, 2016, 10:05:51 pm
Watching northern Iowa. Wisconsin. Still don't understand why we can't find these white boys that can shoot the ball like they have. Wisconsin had to replace an entire team from back to back final four teams AND a new head coach. What does that get them, the sweet 16.

We seem to recruit juco's and you tube hype stars. I don't get it.

Well they do have Dusty Hannahs. But yeah, only having one isn't going to cut it. Next year they should have three really good shooters. Hannahs, Barford and Macon, and if Beard can find his shot consistently they'd have four.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 21, 2016, 10:25:33 am
Hopefully next year will be a breakout year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 21, 2016, 11:19:59 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 21, 2016, 10:25:33 am
Hopefully next year will be a breakout year.

If Moses stays, it certainly has the potential on paper to be. Key is to have a solid non-conference schedule. Don't want it to be too tough and lose a bunch of games, but don't want it to be a cakewalk and it get you left out of the tourney like what happened to S. Carolina this year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 21, 2016, 06:10:32 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 20, 2016, 10:18:58 am
No next to it, if you are watching at home and complaining about attendance, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Why aren't you at every game? You seem to expect that of others, shouldn't you be held to the same standard?
No where did I say anything about any individual, just an observation about what I have seen. It's people like you is what's wrong with this country. You want to twist everything around. How many games have you been to??? But if you want to go down that road we can. Don't ever ever talk like that to me. It's obvious that you are a complete FN retard so stop licking the windows and make sure your helmet is strapped on tight.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 21, 2016, 07:18:11 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 20, 2016, 10:05:51 pm
Watching northern Iowa. Wisconsin. Still don't understand why we can't find these white boys that can shoot the ball like they have. Wisconsin had to replace an entire team from back to back final four teams AND a new head coach. What does that get them, the sweet 16.

We seem to recruit juco's and you tube hype stars. I don't get it.

I think one of MA's biggest recruiting failures in the last five years is the inability to get Memphis recruits. Five years in, only one Memphis area player signed.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 21, 2016, 09:10:02 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 21, 2016, 06:10:32 pm
No where did I say anything about any individual, just an observation about what I have seen. It's people like you is what's wrong with this country. You want to twist everything around. How many games have you been to??? But if you want to go down that road we can. Don't ever ever talk like that to me. It's obvious that you are a complete FN retard so stop licking the windows and make sure your helmet is strapped on tight.

Lol, I'm not the one complaining about attendance, I'll bring up the irony in your posts every time you post one, so get used to it. As far as your name calling, it speaks of your intelligence level.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 21, 2016, 09:52:52 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 21, 2016, 09:10:02 pm
Lol, I'm not the one complaining about attendance, I'll bring up the irony in your posts every time you post one, so get used to it. As far as your name calling, it speaks of your intelligence level.

I can see ricepig you have been drawn into the mudsligging contest with him like a lot of us have. I am liking this ..... I am surprised he didn't blame 12 or 13 of our losses on the refs  8)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 12:56:06 am
Quote from: beach bum on March 21, 2016, 09:52:52 pm
I can see ricepig you have been drawn into the mudsligging contest with him like a lot of us have. I am liking this ..... I am surprised he didn't blame 12 or 13 of our losses on the refs  8)
Wow, caught two with first throw. Bum and Pig don't y'all make a cute couple. Let's see if I can get another bite or two. Bum you must be a Reaves fan, who by the way won't make it at the D1 level. Pig, Anderson is running the program into the ground. So pig and bum answer this if you can. Why is the top talent in Arkansas is leaving to play elsewhere? Why is the attendance at game's dwindling? Could it be that people don't want to watch bad coaching? If you go to the movies and what you paid to see was awful, do you keep paying to see the same movie? So answer the questions without twisting my words around.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 22, 2016, 06:32:44 am
Just read back in this thread 3 or 4 pages. Check Hogville and you will have everyone's opinion on the current situation. You're late to the party on that one.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:46:13 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 12:56:06 am
Wow, caught two with first throw. Bum and Pig don't y'all make a cute couple. Let's see if I can get another bite or two. Bum you must be a Reaves fan, who by the way won't make it at the D1 level. Pig, Anderson is running the program into the ground. So pig and bum answer this if you can. Why is the top talent in Arkansas is leaving to play elsewhere? Why is the attendance at game's dwindling? Could it be that people don't want to watch bad coaching? If you go to the movies and what you paid to see was awful, do you keep paying to see the same movie? So answer the questions without twisting my words around.


Well yardboy, I only addressed your inaccuracies on attendance, such as "few" years for Montebello, they were 20-21 years ago, and average attendance. You do know that season tickets sales were up this year over last year's? As far as MA, he's here for next year, and may even have the next with a sub-par season, but the heat is being turned up. Of course, had you read the thread, you would have figured that out.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 09:23:51 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:46:13 am

Well yardboy, I only addressed your inaccuracies on attendance, such as "few" years for Montebello, they were 20-21 years ago, and average attendance. You do know that season tickets sales were up this year over last year's? As far as MA, he's here for next year, and may even have the next with a sub-par season, but the heat is being turned up. Of course, had you read the thread, you would have figured that out.
Ok pig, sales vs attendance. They might have sold more tickets, but the attendance is what people who show for the game. Guaranteed that attendance down which causes concesion and merchandise sales to be
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 09:42:54 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 20, 2016, 10:18:58 am
No next to it, if you are watching at home and complaining about attendance, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Why aren't you at every game? You seem to expect that of others, shouldn't you be held to the same standard?

C'mon man, there are 500K people in NWA, they are the ones not going to the games not the people in Central or southern AR. That's a terrible argument. Nobody outside of NWA EVER traveled 3+ hours regularly on a WEEK NIGHT for a Razorback basketball game. Would they travel that far for a big game? Sure, on occasion, but they wouldn't make them all.

The fans in NWA are the ones who aren't showing up. Ticket prices, all of the games being on TV and more importantly, losing is what has effected attendance.

Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 10:00:20 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 09:23:51 am
Ok pig, sales vs attendance. They might have sold more tickets, but the attendance is what people who show for the game. Guaranteed that attendance down which causes concesion and merchandise sales to be

Well, when you look up the official NCAA attendance figures for 2015-2016, they'll use tickets sold. As far as concessions, they've been down since we switched to Pepsi, lol. It obviously hasn't reached a point of diminishing returns, or cost effective to payoff a $2.2m coach with 4 years remaining. It didn't work on the last two either. I'm not a big MA fan, and if you've bothered to read any of my posts, you would have known that. However, there were certain conditions on Mike's hire, like donations from key boosters for the practice facility. Not everyone is like Jerry or Fowler, and wants their name on a building. It wasn't my call, and Jeff got a lot of push from past players to hire Mike. He gets two years IMO, but I don't care if he's let go tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 10:04:59 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 09:42:54 am
C'mon man, there are 500K people in NWA, they are the ones not going to the games not the people in Central or southern AR. That's a terrible argument. Nobody outside of NWA EVER traveled 3+ hours regularly on a WEEK NIGHT for a Razorback basketball game. Would they travel that far for a big game? Sure, on occasion, but they wouldn't make them all.

The fans in NWA are the ones who aren't showing up. Ticket prices, all of the games being on TV and more importantly, losing is what has effected attendance.

Did I mention any geographical location, or for the record, did he state what part of the state he resided in? I said don't complain about attendance if you aren't there. I live 4 1/2 hrs away and have season tickets, we give them away if we're not going. There's usually someone in our group flying up to every game, maybe not the Christmas break gimmies.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 22, 2016, 10:28:36 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 12:56:06 am
Wow, caught two with first throw. Bum and Pig don't y'all make a cute couple. Let's see if I can get another bite or two. Bum you must be a Reaves fan, who by the way won't make it at the D1 level. Pig, Anderson is running the program into the ground. So pig and bum answer this if you can. Why is the top talent in Arkansas is leaving to play elsewhere? Why is the attendance at game's dwindling? Could it be that people don't want to watch bad coaching? If you go to the movies and what you paid to see was awful, do you keep paying to see the same movie? So answer the questions without twisting my words around.

Ky Madden and Bobby Portis didn't leave the state. Alandise Harris and Dusty Hannahs came back. Anton Beard and Trey Thompson didn't leave the state. They've got two top kids in Arkansas in the '17 class committed. They did lose Kevaughn and then Malik & Payton in the '16 class, but there's no way you're going to be able to keep every kid in-state, no matter how good your program is. Kids have left the state for years, even under Eddie & Nolan.

On the '94 team, there was one home-grown starter from the state. Literally every key player on that team was from out-of-state other than Corliss. You could say Davor Rimac, but we all know he's from Croatia.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 10:32:25 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 10:04:59 am
Did I mention any geographical location, or for the record, did he state what part of the state he resided in? I said don't complain about attendance if you aren't there. I live 4 1/2 hrs away and have season tickets, we give them away if we're not going. There's usually someone in our group flying up to every game, maybe not the Christmas break gimmies.

I'm just saying the old "don't complain if you're not there" argument is not a good one because unless you live within an hour or so of BWA you're not going to EVERY game. When I lived up there I went to every game and still would if I was there.

But if you don't think the crowds are poor for most games I can't help ya, because they are. Number of tickets sold and actual butts in the seats are 2 totally different things. But hey, winning cures all ills, so hopefully we can win again soon.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 10:33:57 am
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 22, 2016, 10:28:36 am
Ky Madden and Bobby Portis didn't leave the state. Alandise Harris and Dusty Hannahs came back. Anton Beard and Trey Thompson didn't leave the state. They've got two top kids in Arkansas in the '17 class committed. They did lose Kevaughn and then Malik & Payton in the '16 class, but there's no way you're going to be able to keep every kid in-state, no matter how good your program is. Kids have left the state for years, even under Eddie & Nolan.

On the '94 team, there were was one home-grown starter from the state. Literally every key player on that team was from out-of-state other than Corliss. You could say Davor Rimac, but we all know he's from Croatia.

Dang, how soon we forget Ken Biley...
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 10:59:05 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 10:32:25 am
I'm just saying the old "don't complain if you're not there" argument is not a good one because unless you live within an hour or so of BWA you're not going to EVERY game. When I lived up there I went to every game and still would if I was there.

But if you don't think the crowds are poor for most games I can't help ya, because they are. Number of tickets sold and actual butts in the seats are 2 totally different things. But hey, winning cures all ills, so hopefully we can win again soon.


First, the times are different from the 90's or 2000's. TV has changed people's desire to go to every game, it's changed the start times and made it easier to sit at home and watch it. And yes, KY, Duke, and Kansas fill their places up, but we haven't been comparable to them since 2000, and maybe not even then. Basketball was all but killed off during the next 10-15 years, it hasn't come back, and I doubt attendance every will to the late 90's. And yes, while tickets sold and butts in the seats are not the same, tickets sold at a higher season ticket price eat into a lot of that difference. The numbers don't show a big enough drop to set off a giant alarm in the athletic department, now, if donations show a dramatic decrease, then they'll perk up.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 22, 2016, 11:01:51 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 10:33:57 am
Dang, how soon we forget Ken Biley...

Lol, he started the championship game as a token of appreciation. Come on now.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 12:53:27 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 22, 2016, 11:01:51 am
Lol, he started the championship game as a token of appreciation. Come on now.
Phillip McKellar?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 12:57:10 pm
Archie Goodwin? Hunter Mickelson (transferred)
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:06:38 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2016, 09:42:54 am
C'mon man, there are 500K people in NWA, they are the ones not going to the games not the people in Central or southern AR. That's a terrible argument. Nobody outside of NWA EVER traveled 3+ hours regularly on a WEEK NIGHT for a Razorback basketball game. Would they travel that far for a big game? Sure, on occasion, but they wouldn't make them all.

The fans in NWA are the ones who aren't showing up. Ticket prices, all of the games being on TV and more importantly, losing is what has effected attendance.
Agree 100%. Another factor is that I'm going to go watch my kids play before I go to NWA to watch the Razorbacks. Plus if I was rich and flying up there for games as someone said on their post, I might be able to afford going to every game.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:10:00 pm
One more thing, did I complain about attendance? No I just said there was not that many attending games vs ticket sales. My complaint is about the coaching being done. No one wants to see an inferior product over and over.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:14:13 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:10:00 pm
One more thing, did I complain about attendance? No I just said there was not that many attending games vs ticket sales. My complaint is about the coaching being done. No one wants to see an inferior product over and over.

I think you complained about attendance:


" Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full."

Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:22:44 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:14:13 pm
I think you complained about attendance:


" Attendance is what will get MAs job. A few years ago 15,000 in attendance was considered low. Now for most games they can't even get 8,000 unless it's Kentucky or LSU. Most of the time it's more like 5,000 in attendance. A few years ago the place was full for all games, I remember a non conference game against montevallo and the place was full."
Where in that statement did I complain? Was just referring to the declining attendance numbers is what will eventually get Anderson's job. Come on pig, you got to better than that
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
Mike's not being fired anytime soon, unless it's a subpar below .500 next season. There was too much "let's get the band back together" mentality from some on thinking we could rekindle the Nolan "magic" that had already fluttered away in his waning years.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:28:17 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:22:44 pm
Where in that statement did I complain? Was just referring to the declining attendance numbers is what will eventually get Anderson's job. Come on pig, you got to better than that

Ok, it sounds like semantics to me, I guess you were just letting us know what we already knew, lol. As I said earlier, it won't be attendance, it will be donations that change the paradigm on his employment.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:43:59 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:28:17 pm
Ok, it sounds like semantics to me, I guess you were just letting us know what we already knew, lol. As I said earlier, it won't be attendance, it will be donations that change the paradigm on his employment.
Guess I should have elaborated more on the attendance. By saying numbers are down I meant everyone from your average Joe to the boosters. With the booster and merchandise/concession sales all being down, it all boils down to dollars. Do agree with you to a certain amount, it will be, all the above that will get MA his job.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:59:10 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 01:43:59 pm
Guess I should have elaborated more on the attendance. By saying numbers are down I meant everyone from your average Joe to the boosters. With the booster and merchandise/concession sales all being down, it all boils down to dollars. Do agree with you to a certain amount, it will be, all the above that will get MA his job.

I think it will come down to W/L record which will correlate with "big" boosters withholding their donations. They sell enough season tickets which are tied to donations right now to keep them happy. The number of season tickets that are sold to corporate entities has pretty much taken up the slack of the River Valley/Central Arkansas season ticket buyers. Now, the corporate tickets don't get used as much, especially not the no name games in December. So no, I don't think that attendance/concessions/merchandise will factor into the decision to keep or fire Mike. You've got to realize with the SEC Network, we are making more money across the athletic department, it isn't like the 90's when the basketball program contributed 30% of our budget, it's like 13-14% these days?? I'll have to double check my numbers, but basketball's percentage of the budget is half of that period.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 03:38:29 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 01:59:10 pm
I think it will come down to W/L record which will correlate with "big" boosters withholding their donations. They sell enough season tickets which are tied to donations right now to keep them happy. The number of season tickets that are sold to corporate entities has pretty much taken up the slack of the River Valley/Central Arkansas season ticket buyers. Now, the corporate tickets don't get used as much, especially not the no name games in December. So no, I don't think that attendance/concessions/merchandise will factor into the decision to keep or fire Mike. You've got to realize with the SEC Network, we are making more money across the athletic department, it isn't like the 90's when the basketball program contributed 30% of our budget, it's like 13-14% these days?? I'll have to double check my numbers, but basketball's percentage of the budget is half of that period.
It still boils down to dollars, if the program is losing money and has to be bailed out then that is a problem. With or without the SEC money the higher ups are not going to put up with a losing program. Just do the numbers, say your average attendance is around 9,000 that being people actually at the game. Now say if you have say 16,000 in the better days attendance, that's losing 7,000 people's worth of sales. Let's say the average person spends $30 on merchandise/concession sales. That's a total of $210,000 per game. Times that by however many home games and I'm using 20 as an example.

$210,000 x 20 = $4,200,000

Now tell me how many programs will put up with that? None!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 04:14:16 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 03:38:29 pm
It still boils down to dollars, if the program is losing money and has to be bailed out then that is a problem. With or without the SEC money the higher ups are not going to put up with a losing program. Just do the numbers, say your average attendance is around 9,000 that being people actually at the game. Now say if you have say 16,000 in the better days attendance, that's losing 7,000 people's worth of sales. Let's say the average person spends $30 on merchandise/concession sales. That's a total of $210,000 per game. Times that by however many home games and I'm using 20 as an example.

$210,000 x 20 = $4,200,000

Now tell me how many programs will put up with that? None!

The average person doesn't spend $30 on concessions or merchandise. Now, the ones driving up from central Arkansas that attend 1 or 2 games might, but not your average NWA attendee. You're going to have to go back to the drawing board to come up with a better agenda.

Here's a little data for you, Men's basketball made about an $8m profit last year, it hasn't changed that much. Hit search and then revenues and expenses.


http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 05:56:25 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 04:14:16 pm
The average person doesn't spend $30 on concessions or merchandise. Now, the ones driving up from central Arkansas that attend 1 or 2 games might, but not your average NWA attendee. You're going to have to go back to the drawing board to come up with a better agenda.

Here's a little data for you, Men's basketball made about an $8m profit last year, it hasn't changed that much. Hit search and then revenues and expenses.


http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx
That link goes nowhere but a system update screen that asks for a login. Until I see proof you won't convince me. But by what your saying they made 8m, maybe with the TV deal and conference share. But if you could potentially earn 4m more than what they are doing now. Every time I've been to a game I spend any where from $40 to $50. So I figure $30 was conservative. Show me the proof that backs up your numbers on how the bball program made 8m. Make me a believer.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 06:04:07 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 05:56:25 pm
That link goes nowhere but a system update screen that asks for a login. Until I see proof you won't convince me. But by what your saying they made 8m, maybe with the TV deal and conference share. But if you could potentially earn 4m more than what they are doing now. Every time I've been to a game I spend any where from $40 to $50. So I figure $30 was conservative. Show me the proof that backs up your numbers on how the bball program made 8m. Make me a believer.

I'm sorry if you are unable to navigate a website, surely you can type in "University of Arkansas" where it asks for name of institution.

Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 06:10:03 pm
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

Click on University of Arkansas, I didn't realise I was dealing with a n00b.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 06:55:22 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 05:56:25 pm
That link goes nowhere but a system update screen that asks for a login. Until I see proof you won't convince me. But by what your saying they made 8m, maybe with the TV deal and conference share. But if you could potentially earn 4m more than what they are doing now. Every time I've been to a game I spend any where from $40 to $50. So I figure $30 was conservative. Show me the proof that backs up your numbers on how the bball program made 8m. Make me a believer.

If you notice, there's $28.5m that is unallocated be gender or sport, that's our SEC payment, so no, the $8m doesn't include any TV money.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 07:02:06 pm
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/WebsiteUpdatedMessage.aspx

So tell me what does the link supposed to show me? The link above is where your link sends me.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:09:23 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 07:02:06 pm
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/WebsiteUpdatedMessage.aspx

So tell me what does the link supposed to show me? The link above is where your link sends me.

Well, it doesn't for me, but from that page, click on "Home" in the top right, then on the next screen, click on "Get Data for one institution" from there type in University of Arkansas.

I have no problem going to the page, it must be your settings.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 07:09:53 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 06:10:03 pm
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

Click on University of Arkansas, I didn't realise I was dealing with a n00b.
So tired of dealing with people who shoot off at the mouth but can't back up what they say. Have a nice day pigpen.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:14:26 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 22, 2016, 07:09:53 pm
So tired of dealing with people who shoot off at the mouth but can't back up what they say. Have a nice day pigpen.

Lol, I'm tired of people that can't operate a computer, I've found the page from my tablet, phone, and PC, I guess you're a sorry loser.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:26:04 pm
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 22, 2016, 08:17:40 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:14:26 pm
Lol, I'm tired of people that can't operate a computer, I've found the page from my tablet, phone, and PC, I guess you're a sorry loser.

Now Now. Don't be calling folks names, ha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 08:29:46 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 22, 2016, 08:17:40 pm
Now Now. Don't be calling folks names, ha

Yeah, that's totally unlike me, haha.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on March 22, 2016, 08:59:46 pm
So is he trying to say that attendance is worse under Amderson than it was under Pelphrey or Heath?  I think not.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:57:47 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 22, 2016, 07:14:26 pm
Lol, I'm tired of people that can't operate a computer, I've found the page from my tablet, phone, and PC, I guess you're a sorry loser.
Oh boo hoo, that's the best you got. Quit rolling around in your own crap. Your stinking up the joint.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 07:41:19 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:57:47 am
Oh boo hoo, that's the best you got. Quit rolling around in your own crap. Your stinking up the joint.

Umm, is it verbal attacks you wish, B.G. doesn't care too much for them, but I'll be more than happy to oblige you. I did notice you changed the subject once you found out Men's basketball made an $8m profit last year, kind of blows your attendance theory will get Anderson fired, lol. He'll get fired on results, and they won't be your standard of results, or mine, but Long's and the administration's.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 23, 2016, 08:57:54 am
I agree its all going to be W-L that seals MA's fate..... and attendance it all goes back to culture in a state. Look at the NIT game between BYU and Creighton last night and how much that crowd was pumped for a 2nd tier tournament. Utah as a state is sometimes forgotten behind North Carolina, Indiana, and Kentucky as a big basketball state but its honestly really close to them. Those people in Utah love their round ball when the Utes, Cougars, or Jazz are playing. We just don't have the culture. If we ever somehow got back to glory days the seats would be full. If not its going to show in the fair weathered attendance for the sport of basketball.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: chaoslord on March 23, 2016, 09:07:22 am
Here are the numbers from the website

Operating expenses: $1,871,088
Total expenses: $8,425,122
Total Revenues: $16,314,973

I also like how xad was demanding concrete proof of revenues but then says he used his own anecdotal experience to say why we are missing out on all this concession money. That's... not how proof works. ??? Here is my anecdotal experience: My wife and I hold season tickets (we also had the SEC pack as extra so for those 5 games we had 4 tickets) and never purchase anything at BWA. Well, almost never anyway, we bought maybe 5 of the $3 waters between the two of us the whole year. They got at most $7.50 a person out of my family for concessions over the whole year.

It is possible we are missing out on some small amount of revenue. I have no idea how the vendor contracts work but I sincerely doubt we are getting 100% of those dollars anyway. All that is to say, that number is not going to motivate Jeff Long to act. If you have ever met Jeff Long and heard him speak you would realize how important the academic mission he has set out for the student athletes is to him. It makes him proud. He wants to win, make no mistake about it, but he also has the vision that most of these kids are going to have to do something other than sports when their time at the University finishes and wants them to succeed in that. He won't put up with us being in the dumpster but he will happily miss out on some amount of concession money if it means his student athletes are continuing to do well in the classroom. I mean, when Mike Anderson signed his contract extension his base salary stayed the same but he got the possibility of bonuses based on academics. Remember that the Hogs were down a scholarship when Mike came in because of grades. Now our APR is perfect (or close to it).

If you want to start talking sharp decline in season ticket sales, that is way more powerful of a motivator because that money is more reliable to count on than concessions and goes a long way to help funding other sports. If the season ticket sales are still high, the student athletes are doing well in the classroom, and the team is at least alright, Long will be more than happy to let it ride. He might not be okay with "alright" for many years in a row, but for a given year if you check those boxes you are gonna be safe.

I personally think next year should be NIT minimum. However, I recognize that this may be over zealous since our program is still trying to rebuild itself into a position where we are constantly in the NCAA tournament and would not be surprised if Jeff Long takes a different view of the situation. As stupid as this team played at times (Stanford, Mississippi State), 16-16 was still probably overachieving for this group of players and shows that Mike isn't a bad coach. His win totals were 18, 19, 22, and 27 in his first four years. He still hasn't had a losing season ever as an NCAA head coach. Yes, it may turn out that he is not the right man for the job here, but he has done a lot to turn the academic culture of the basketball program around and because of that Jeff Long is going to give him as many chances as he can.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 09:52:24 am
I would have posted the numbers, but I knew they wouldn't suffice, coming from me, haha. As I've stated before, basketball revenue hasn't changed much in the past 10 years, what's changed is it's percentage of our budget. $16m of a $58m budget is big, $16m of a $115m budget isn't, in comparison.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 10:31:05 am
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 07:41:19 am
Umm, is it verbal attacks you wish, B.G. doesn't care too much for them, but I'll be more than happy to oblige you. I did notice you changed the subject once you found out Men's basketball made an $8m profit last year, kind of blows your attendance theory will get Anderson fired, lol. He'll get fired on results, and they won't be your standard of results, or mine, but Long's and the administration's.
You shot first, so I just played your game pigman. Besides I didn't change the subject. Attendance sucks and it does cost the U of A money because of it. So what part of that does your little pea brain doesn't understand?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 10:32:52 am
2011–12    17–3 (.850)    5–3 (.625)    262,329    13,116    23rd
2012–13    17–1 (.944)    9–0 (1.000)    252,857    14,047    17th
2013–14    17–2 (.895)    7–2 (.778)    280,465    14,023    10th
2014–15    16–2 (.889)    7–2 (.778)    283,485    15,749    11th
2015–16    13–4 (.765)    6–3 (.667)    258,705    15,217    N/A

After Mike's first year, attendance has been amongst top 20 in the country since, and in the top 15 the last two years. National attendance figures for this past season probably won't be released until this summer, but they will probably be in the top 20 again.

For comparison, here was attendance under Pel:

2007–08    15–1 (.938)    7–1 (.875)    274,360    17,148    8th
2008–09    12–6 (.667)    2–6 (.250)    288,781    16,043    11th
2009–10    11–8 (.579)    5–3 (.625)    256,667    13,509    17th
2010–11    15–3 (.833)    5–3 (.625)    216,999    12,055    29th

Very good first two years, followed by steep decline. You could actually say attendance got him fired.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 23, 2016, 10:33:12 am
Reading comprehension please!!!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 10:53:40 am
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 10:32:52 am
2011–12    17–3 (.850)    5–3 (.625)    262,329    13,116    23rd
2012–13    17–1 (.944)    9–0 (1.000)    252,857    14,047    17th
2013–14    17–2 (.895)    7–2 (.778)    280,465    14,023    10th
2014–15    16–2 (.889)    7–2 (.778)    283,485    15,749    11th
2015–16    13–4 (.765)    6–3 (.667)    258,705    15,217    N/A

After Mike's first year, attendance has been amongst top 20 in the country since, and in the top 15 the last two years. National attendance figures for this past season probably won't be released until this summer, but they will probably be in the top 20 again.

For comparison, here was attendance under Pel:

2007–08    15–1 (.938)    7–1 (.875)    274,360    17,148    8th
2008–09    12–6 (.667)    2–6 (.250)    288,781    16,043    11th
2009–10    11–8 (.579)    5–3 (.625)    256,667    13,509    17th
2010–11    15–3 (.833)    5–3 (.625)    216,999    12,055    29th

Very good first two years, followed by steep decline. You could actually say attendance got him fired.
Are those tickets sold numbers or actual attendance?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 11:10:45 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 10:53:40 am
Are those tickets sold numbers or actual attendance?

It's tickets sold, but that's what the NCAA goes by.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 11:39:15 am
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 10:31:05 am
You shot first, so I just played your game pigman. Besides I didn't change the subject. Attendance sucks and it does cost the U of A money because of it. So what part of that does your little pea brain doesn't understand?

Well yardboy, you kept trying to insinuate that Anderson was going to lose his job because when you looked on TV, it wasn't full. I just tried to show you that wasn't going to happen as it now stands. I'm sorry your level of reading comprehension lends you incapable of understanding that.

Just as they aren't going to fire Bielema because the stadium isn't full, they aren't going to fire Anderson. So, you better hitch your horse to another wagon if you're looking to can him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 11:56:36 am
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 10:32:52 am
2011–12    17–3 (.850)    5–3 (.625)    262,329    13,116    23rd
2012–13    17–1 (.944)    9–0 (1.000)    252,857    14,047    17th
2013–14    17–2 (.895)    7–2 (.778)    280,465    14,023    10th
2014–15    16–2 (.889)    7–2 (.778)    283,485    15,749    11th
2015–16    13–4 (.765)    6–3 (.667)    258,705    15,217    N/A

After Mike's first year, attendance has been amongst top 20 in the country since, and in the top 15 the last two years. National attendance figures for this past season probably won't be released until this summer, but they will probably be in the top 20 again.

For comparison, here was attendance under Pel:

2007–08    15–1 (.938)    7–1 (.875)    274,360    17,148    8th
2008–09    12–6 (.667)    2–6 (.250)    288,781    16,043    11th
2009–10    11–8 (.579)    5–3 (.625)    256,667    13,509    17th
2010–11    15–3 (.833)    5–3 (.625)    216,999    12,055    29th

Very good first two years, followed by steep decline. You could actually say attendance got him fired.

It was used as a reason back when he was fired, but anyone that thinks Pel and Mike have the same standards to meet, doesn't know the history of Arkansas basketball.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 23, 2016, 12:24:57 pm
This turned into a dumpster fire quick.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 12:32:09 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 11:39:15 am
Well yardboy, you kept trying to insinuate that Anderson was going to lose his job because when you looked on TV, it wasn't full. I just tried to show you that wasn't going to happen as it now stands. I'm sorry your level of reading comprehension lends you incapable of understanding that.

Just as they aren't going to fire Bielema because the stadium isn't full, they aren't going to fire Anderson. So, you better hitch your horse to another wagon if you're looking to can him.
My, my how the mighty pigpen has fallen. My observation of actually being at some of those games this year was attendance was not as good as being reported. Due to that I said that would be one of the reasons that help MA get fired.

How many games have you been to pigpen?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 12:34:01 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 11:10:45 am
It's tickets sold, but that's what the NCAA goes by.
Can you read that pigpen?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 23, 2016, 12:38:09 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 12:34:01 pm
Can you read that pigpen?

Tickets sold is a pretty good barometer of where your program is. The less people buying tickets, the fewer amount of butts will actually be in seats.

We haven't even gotten into the discussion of how whenever the crowd does show up (Ole Miss, LSU last year, UK this year), the team loses. Until the team wins a big game again in front of a large crowd (which I would define as 18K+), then you'll continue to see attendance where it is.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:08:32 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 12:34:01 pm
Can you read that pigpen?

DA, that's what I told you that matters, tickets sold, not attendance.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:12:15 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 12:32:09 pm
My, my how the mighty pigpen has fallen. My observation of actually being at some of those games this year was attendance was not as good as being reported. Due to that I said that would be one of the reasons that help MA get fired.

How many games have you been to pigpen?

They report both, I guess you have no clue of how to read. They'll give attendance, which is actually tickets sold, and actual attendance. It's a shame you can't realize how bad you're getting owned in this thread.

As far as my attendance, I went to 7 games this year, but I have season tickets. My oldest used them if they weren't otherwise spoken for.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:25:07 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 23, 2016, 12:24:57 pm
This turned into a dumpster fire quick.

For some reason he likes to argue with facts. I never said that there were less butts in the seats than the announced attendance, everyone knows that. I only stated that season ticket sales were up this year, at a higher price, thus attendance isn't a factor today in deciding MA's future. If attendance, and more importantly, donations take a big downturn next year, then yes, it will factor in Long's decision.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:28:45 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:12:15 pm
They report both, I guess you have no clue of how to read. They'll give attendance, which is actually tickets sold, and actual attendance. It's a shame you can't realize how bad you're getting owned in this thread.

As far as my attendance, I went to 7 games this year, but I have season tickets. My oldest used them if they weren't otherwise spoken for.
Pigpen you are such a pathetic debater. My point is and has been from the start that attendance not tickets sold is not as high as being reported. That would factor in to the UA getting rid of MA. No where in here have you come up with any proof go dispute what I'm saying. All you want to do is keep going back to tickets sold. Which everyone knows is not an accurate account of how many is in attendance of the game. As far as being owned, I find that very funny because you can't prove me wrong. My advice to you is to just say no to drugs. They have warped your mind. Feel sorry for people like you who live in a drug induced fantasy land. Remember just say no.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:37:59 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:25:07 pm
For some reason he likes to argue with facts. I never said that there were less butts in the seats than the announced attendance, everyone knows that. I only stated that season ticket sales were up this year, at a higher price, thus attendance isn't a factor today in deciding MA's future. If attendance, and more importantly, donations take a big downturn next year, then yes, it will factor in Long's decision.
Facts? What facts? I've said the whole time is about butts in the seats. Don't care about tickets sold. Now you just said what I have been talking about the whole time. By maybe 1K to Maybe 6k not showing up for the games that UA loses money by loss of merchandise/concession sales. Since you just said my exact point in all this, why did you start taking shots at me if you actually agree with what I said? Man I love having a spirited debate on here but if you make it personal then I will fire shots back at you. SMH wondering why?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 23, 2016, 01:43:41 pm
Wow... this reminds me of the old arguments on the political board. ah the memories.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:45:40 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:28:45 pm
Pigpen you are such a pathetic debater. My point is and has been from the start that attendance not tickets sold is not as high as being reported. That would factor in to the UA getting rid of MA. No where in here have you come up with any proof go dispute what I'm saying. All you want to do is keep going back to tickets sold. Which everyone knows is not an accurate account of how many is in attendance of the game. As far as being owned, I find that very funny because you can't prove me wrong. My advice to you is to just say no to drugs. They have warped your mind. Feel sorry for people like you who live in a drug induced fantasy land. Remember just say no.

And I have repeatedly told you that attendance this year has no factor in MA's firing. You have offered no proof that it has any effect on his job security. The fact that "tickets sold" and thus "income/revenue" is still there, just proves my point that the actual attendance won't play into the decision. When, and if, season tickets and donations/revenues take a markedly decrease, then a decision will be made. We are not there presently, so keep on bringing up non-conference games from a championship and runner-up years 21+ years ago as your lynchpin.

I wish I could blame your lack of comprehension on drugs, but I'm afraid it's just wanton stupidity.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:51:53 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 01:37:59 pm
Facts? What facts? I've said the whole time is about butts in the seats. Don't care about tickets sold. Now you just said what I have been talking about the whole time. By maybe 1K to Maybe 6k not showing up for the games that UA loses money by loss of merchandise/concession sales. Since you just said my exact point in all this, why did you start taking shots at me if you actually agree with what I said? Man I love having a spirited debate on here but if you make it personal then I will fire shots back at you. SMH wondering why?

And those butts not being there were for the most part, seats already paid for. The athletic dept is not missing out on some gold mine by those seats not being occupied, it's a whole lot less than you think. We pay Sodexo to do our concessions, and only get a cut, we got less than 25% of the alcohol sales in the club areas for football, so you do the math. Even in your ill conceived merchandise/concessions sales attempt earlier, 25% of that would be $1m, thus less than 1% of our budget, they aren't firing anyone for that.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:20:40 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 01:51:53 pm
And those butts not being there were for the most part, seats already paid for. The athletic dept is not missing out on some gold mine by those seats not being occupied, it's a whole lot less than you think. We pay Sodexo to do our concessions, and only get a cut, we got less than 25% of the alcohol sales in the club areas for football, so you do the math. Even in your ill conceived merchandise/concessions sales attempt earlier, 25% of that would be $1m, thus less than 1% of our budget, they aren't firing anyone for that.
So you just proved my point by saying 1M in losses. Any business wants to make all the money they can. Like I've been saying that this would be one of the factors for getting rid of MA. Another year like this one and I think with performance and money losses will get MA fired. Never did I say that the money would be the only reason to get rid of him. So if you agree with me to a certain extent, why did you personally attack me?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 02:31:46 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:20:40 pm
So you just proved my point by saying 1M in losses. Any business wants to make all the money they can. Like I've been saying that this would be one of the factors for getting rid of MA. Another year like this one and I think with performance and money losses will get MA fired. Never did I say that the money would be the only reason to get rid of him. So if you agree with me to a certain extent, why did you personally attack me?

When you can provide my with a link that says the average attendee spends $30 at a Razorback basketball game on concessions/merchandise, then I will acknowledge your $1m as a possibility. It still won't factor in at less than 1% of our athletic budget, but you will have proven at least one of your points.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 02:36:58 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:20:40 pm
So you just proved my point by saying 1M in losses. Any business wants to make all the money they can. Like I've been saying that this would be one of the factors for getting rid of MA. Another year like this one and I think with performance and money losses will get MA fired. Never did I say that the money would be the only reason to get rid of him. So if you agree with me to a certain extent, why did you personally attack me?

Does this sound familiar??

"Attendance is what will get MAs job."
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 23, 2016, 02:43:14 pm
I am very happy this feud is going on.... We all need something to read as the boards start to slow down.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 02:48:11 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 23, 2016, 02:43:14 pm
I am very happy this feud is going on.... We all need something to read as the boards start to slow down.

Well, I'm tiring of it, lol. I guess the question now is, does Whitt transfer, and does it matter? I don't like seeing guys, especially freshmen, leave on their own, but does his leaving leave a big hole?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:52:25 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 02:31:46 pm
When you can provide my with a link that says the average attendee spends $30 at a Razorback basketball game on concessions/merchandise, then I will acknowledge your $1m as a possibility. It still won't factor in at less than 1% of our athletic budget, but you will have proven at least one of your points.
If the trend continues of people not showing up, regardless of ticket sales MA will get fired. That trend will boil down to money and attendance.

I give up your impossible, just because you don't agree you have to lash out. So I'm just going to let you live in your little fantasy world. Remember just say no.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:54:53 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 23, 2016, 02:43:14 pm
I am very happy this feud is going on.... We all need something to read as the boards start to slow down.
Sorry to disappoint you bum, but I'm done with this pig.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 03:05:31 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 02:52:25 pm
If the trend continues of people not showing up, regardless of ticket sales MA will get fired. That trend will boil down to money and attendance.

I give up your impossible, just because you don't agree you have to lash out. So I'm just going to let you live in your little fantasy world. Remember just say no.

It will be donations and season ticket sales, not merchandise/concessions and attendance. I'm sorry you can't accept that, you started the name calling, not me. I only pointed out the irony of complaining about attendance while not there, "ATTENDANCE was no where near that. You could see all the empty seats on TV. Bet that if you go back and look it up, you'll see I'm right."  Sorry if the shoe fits.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 03:54:44 pm
Quote from: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 03:05:31 pm
It will be donations and season ticket sales, not merchandise/concessions and attendance. I'm sorry you can't accept that, you started the name calling, not me. I only pointed out the irony of complaining about attendance while not there, "ATTENDANCE was no where near that. You could see all the empty seats on TV. Bet that if you go back and look it up, you'll see I'm right."  Sorry if the shoe fits.
You started the name calling and personal attacks. Just so you know I've reported you. So deal with them, I'm not going to lower myself to your level anymore. Have a nice day
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 23, 2016, 04:24:36 pm

This was you starting the name calling, unless you consider "ironic" to being called a name, if so, I'm sorry that offended you.

Quote from: xadboy on March 21, 2016, 06:10:32 pm
No where did I say anything about any individual, just an observation about what I have seen. It's people like you is what's wrong with this country. You want to twist everything around. How many games have you been to??? But if you want to go down that road we can. Don't ever ever talk like that to me. It's obvious that you are a complete FN retard so stop licking the windows and make sure your helmet is strapped on tight.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 23, 2016, 08:57:42 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 23, 2016, 01:43:41 pm
Wow... this reminds me of the old arguments on the political board. ah the memories.

Sigh....

Haha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Moonshiner on March 23, 2016, 09:23:34 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 23, 2016, 08:57:42 pm
Sigh....

Haha

Yeah why'd the dump the politics board?  I know it's been gone a while.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 23, 2016, 09:58:20 pm
Quote from: Moonshiner on March 23, 2016, 09:23:34 pm
Yeah why'd the dump the politics board?  I know it's been gone a while.

There were apparently way too many disagreements & banter back and forth. Most of my favorite people on here are the ones I had the most political debate with cause I know deep down they're smart and intelligent people that just want what is best for this place we live. Some people were taking it too personal. I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it. I miss the ole "ZD vs. Venny and Valley" glory days.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 24, 2016, 06:17:36 am
You had your Arkansas times crowd vs The Drudge Report crowd.

There were some doozy debates on that board.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Longfellow on March 24, 2016, 07:07:04 am
The debates were a lot of fun. It was the constant hate and name calling that was too much
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: pioneers on March 24, 2016, 08:31:01 am
Here's the thing that bothers me the most is that little rock has been as far as the Razorbacks in the ncaa tournament in the last 20 or so years and that's sad. Next year MA has came up with a quick fix in juco transfers but what's going to happen 2 years from now will we be in the same boat? MA has to stop losing in state talent to other states especially other sec schools.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 24, 2016, 08:46:52 am
Juco's aren't going to get it done.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 24, 2016, 08:56:04 am
Quote from: pioneers on March 24, 2016, 08:31:01 am
Here's the thing that bothers me the most is that little rock has been as far as the Razorbacks in the ncaa tournament in the last 20 or so years and that's sad. Next year MA has came up with a quick fix in juco transfers but what's going to happen 2 years from now will we be in the same boat? MA has to stop losing in state talent to other states especially other sec schools.

He has Daniel Gafford and Darious Hall committed in-state for 2017, and he's on other kids in state in both that class and the 2018 class. Things are looking up in recruiting.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 24, 2016, 10:56:07 am
Quote from: AirWarren on March 24, 2016, 08:46:52 am
Juco's aren't going to get it done.

JUCOs are high risk, high reward these days. As I mentioned before, there's no more Larry Johnson's or Steve Francis type players that go the JUCO route. Along with that, JUCO players have to learn a new system and gel with the current players. Personally, I'd rather get a freshman recruit that can be in your system for two years and develop than a top JUCO player. Moses Kingsley is a good example. Filling your recruiting class with JUCO players is pretty much an alternate when you didn't pick up the initial high school recruits you wanted. That doesn't mean the incoming JUCO players won't have any success. The recruits coming in do have some upside. But I rather have a class with Monk, Jaylen Fisher, Terrance Ferguson, De'Ron Davis, and Tyler Cook. The players we recruited hard for but didn't get.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 24, 2016, 12:29:03 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 24, 2016, 10:56:07 am
JUCOs are high risk, high reward these days. As I mentioned before, there's no more Larry Johnson's or Steve Francis type players that go the JUCO route. Along with that, JUCO players have to learn a new system and gel with the current players. Personally, I'd rather get a freshman recruit that can be in your system for two years and develop than a top JUCO player. Moses Kingsley is a good example. Filling your recruiting class with JUCO players is pretty much an alternate when you didn't pick up the initial high school recruits you wanted. That doesn't mean the incoming JUCO players won't have any success. The recruits coming in do have some upside. But I rather have a class with Monk, Jaylen Fisher, Terrance Ferguson, De'Ron Davis, and Tyler Cook. The players we recruited hard for but didn't get.

One benefit next season will be the trip to Spain in August, they'll get to practice 10 days before it, plus the games. It should help finding out the rotation and who can/can't play.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on March 29, 2016, 12:46:27 pm
Quote from: xadboy on March 23, 2016, 03:54:44 pm
You started the name calling and personal attacks. Just so you know I've reported you. So deal with them, I'm not going to lower myself to your level anymore. Have a nice day

OMG... You reported him on this tripe....
Give me a break....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 30, 2016, 01:50:01 pm
Now confirmed, Jimmy Whitt will transfer. I just don't get it. Barford and Macon are JUCO transfers. Hannahs is a senior next year. To me, it just seems cowardly to transfer at this point.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on March 30, 2016, 02:12:06 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 30, 2016, 01:50:01 pm
Now confirmed, Jimmy Whitt will transfer. I just don't get it. Barford and Macon are JUCO transfers. Hannahs is a senior next year. To me, it just seems cowardly to transfer at this point.

Don't know why he's wanting to leave either. Apparently California will be the landing spot for him.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 30, 2016, 02:51:03 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 30, 2016, 01:50:01 pm
Now confirmed, Jimmy Whitt will transfer. I just don't get it. Barford and Macon are JUCO transfers. Hannahs is a senior next year. To me, it just seems cowardly to transfer at this point.



Good.

Great.

Get the......out.



Kids need to be here that want to be here. Period. And personally, he and his 6.6 a game were no better than having a trey Thompson and manny Watkins on the court. Not impressed.


With that said, someone just turned the burner up a little higher on MA's seat. He better start recruiting, retaining, and recruiting more and plan on having a stellar season next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: mack on March 30, 2016, 05:38:05 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 30, 2016, 02:51:03 pm


Good.

Great.

Get the......out.



Kids need to be here that want to be here. Period. And personally, he and his 6.6 a game were no better than having a trey Thompson and manny Watkins on the court. Not impressed.


With that said, someone just turned the burner up a little higher on MA's seat. He better start recruiting, retaining, and recruiting more and plan on having a stellar season next year.

Yeah, if he doesn't dance next year, he's probably gone.  I hate that because I don't think we'd get anybody better, and I think the crudstorm he inherited would take anyone 5-6 years to fix.  We wouldn't be having this conversation if P and Q had stayed....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 30, 2016, 06:06:28 pm
That 2015 class was a real winner. Ted Kapita doesn't qualify and ends up signing with SMU. Whitt transfers, and now were left with Doobie Jenkins.... DOOBIE JENKINS.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on March 30, 2016, 06:11:32 pm
I agree with AW... bye bye. And as I stated before this is a good sign because we have depth at the guard position with what is coming in. I think he saw the writing on the wall and knew he never was going to see minutes he "thought he deserved"
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 30, 2016, 07:48:57 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 30, 2016, 06:06:28 pm
That 2015 class was a real winner. Ted Kapita doesn't qualify and ends up signing with SMU. Whitt transfers, and now were left with Doobie Jenkins.... DOOBIE JENKINS.

Doobie Jenkins? Haha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on March 30, 2016, 09:52:54 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 30, 2016, 07:48:57 pm
Doobie Jenkins? Haha

Hey now, Mike's going to try and get Doobie a redshirt year since he only played about 5 minutes, so we've potentially have him for 4 more years!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 31, 2016, 07:54:46 am
Oh great!! Be like having Trey Thompson for another 4 years!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 08, 2016, 06:48:49 pm
Quote from: mack on March 19, 2016, 07:54:50 pm
I'm your Huckleberry!  The RP flip is a good idea.

It's on.......
well we dumped pastner!!!!! I am thinking I should give you points or something. LOL
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 08, 2016, 07:06:22 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on April 08, 2016, 06:48:49 pm
well we dumped pastner!!!!! I am thinking I should give you points or something. LOL

Yeah, but it still cost you a little. Now, don't come looking for our guy!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 08, 2016, 08:46:44 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 08, 2016, 07:06:22 pm
Yeah, but it still cost you a little. Now, don't come looking for our guy!
Your guy might could win in Memphis
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 11, 2016, 10:31:23 am
Doobie Jenkins transferring. That officially cements the 2015 signing class as the worst in Arkansas history.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 11, 2016, 10:51:26 am
Quote from: Romeo on April 11, 2016, 10:31:23 am
Doobie Jenkins transferring. That officially cements the 2015 signing class as the worst in Arkansas history.

Well......that's a pretty broad statement. We've had some that stayed and didn't contribute too much either, but it's definitely a first, all gone in one year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 11, 2016, 10:56:13 am
See ya....
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 11, 2016, 11:26:16 am
Jenkins should never been offered from the beginning. His only other offers were Tennessee Tech, Richmond, The Citadel, VMI, and Chattanooga. Recruiting has recently taken a step in the right direction with three in-state players committing but Arkansas won't never be any good if we continue to fill our roster with players like Jenkins.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 11, 2016, 11:44:37 am
Nope. Niether should Teey Thompsom, manny Watkins...those guys are a waste of space.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 11, 2016, 01:44:19 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 11, 2016, 11:44:37 am
Nope. Niether should Teey Thompsom, manny Watkins...those guys are a waste of space.

Well, they actually are having to play, they at least could earn some time. I realize you're saying we should have better, but at least they can get some minutes.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 12, 2016, 08:54:32 am
Quote from: AirWarren on April 11, 2016, 11:44:37 am
Nope. Niether should Teey Thompsom, manny Watkins...those guys are a waste of space.

Thompson was much improved by the end of last season, he'll be serviceable for the remainder of his career, especially if he continues to improve. He's a heck of passer from the high post.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 12, 2016, 09:38:40 am
Moses Kingsley expected to test draft waters.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 12, 2016, 10:07:18 am
Quote from: Romeo on April 12, 2016, 09:38:40 am
Moses Kingsley expected to test draft waters.

As expected,  most are concerned about him going to Europe, not the NBA.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 12, 2016, 11:11:41 am
Good lord.

He leaves. You can kiss MA goodbye after next year.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 14, 2016, 07:39:56 am
Quote from: fastdrop on April 08, 2016, 06:48:49 pm
well we dumped pastner!!!!! I am thinking I should give you points or something. LOL
Welp, hired a coach that can't recruit. Looks like we are in the same boat as Arkansas so no need to give Mack anything.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on April 14, 2016, 09:39:04 am
Good thing about Memphis hiring Tubby is that Hogs may get to actually start playing them again, since Calipari and Pastner wouldn't.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on April 14, 2016, 09:41:04 am
Quote from: DerekOxford on April 14, 2016, 09:39:04 am
Good thing about Memphis hiring Tubby is that Hogs may get to actually start playing them again, since Calipari and Pastner wouldn't.

I would love seeing that has a non conference game.... And start next year too!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 14, 2016, 10:38:47 am
I still think MA's biggest recruiting failure during his tenure at Arkansas is his inability to get Memphis players. He's struck out on every Memphis player he's recruited with the exception of Anthlon Bell, who we recruited against UMass for. Tubby Smith is not known as a great recruiter so hopefully his hire might help us on the recruiting front in Memphis.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 14, 2016, 12:02:14 pm
Tubby Smith's contract at Memphis is five years ... $15.45 million.

Doubt we let under preforming Anderson come in and take any recruits that us or Kentucky wants.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 14, 2016, 01:04:57 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on April 14, 2016, 12:02:14 pm
Tubby Smith's contract at Memphis is five years ... $15.45 million.

Doubt we let under preforming Anderson come in and take any recruits that us or Kentucky pays for.

Fixt
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 14, 2016, 06:21:48 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 14, 2016, 01:04:57 pm
Fixt
can't argue the point
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 15, 2016, 09:33:19 pm
Scotty Thurman being promoted to assistant coach replacing Matt Zimmerman, who will be moving to an administrative role.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 15, 2016, 09:55:37 pm
Just saw that. Interesting move. Will he head up recruiting?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 16, 2016, 09:19:21 pm
As far as I know, TJ Cleveland is still the recruiting coordinator. The reaction Is mixed among Arkansas fans about the Thurman hire. But some kind of change in the coaching staff was needed. Coach Zimmerman, while good at scouting and other duties, was not a good recruiter.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: fastdrop on April 16, 2016, 09:34:13 pm
Khalil Garland to be a Tiger.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 17, 2016, 08:32:56 am
Quote from: fastdrop on April 16, 2016, 09:34:13 pm
Khalil Garland to be a Tiger.

Who?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on April 18, 2016, 09:55:18 am
Dave Van Horn has us last in the SEC and all of you said we were loaded this year. Why aren't you all holding him to the same standard for this season as MA? Lets fire Van Horn too right? Who needs stability?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 10:20:58 am
Quote from: beach bum on April 18, 2016, 09:55:18 am
Dave Van Horn has us last in the SEC and all of you said we were loaded this year. Why aren't you all holding him to the same standard for this season as MA? Lets fire Van Horn too right? Who needs stability?


I'm sure you're being facetious, or really don't know our baseball history the last 13 years. I'll hang up and listen......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 11:02:00 am
Quote from: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 10:20:58 am

I'm sure you're being facetious, or really don't know our baseball history the last 13 years. I'll hang up and listen......

They are a terrible baseball team this year if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 18, 2016, 11:03:29 am
Quote from: beach bum on April 18, 2016, 09:55:18 am
Dave Van Horn has us last in the SEC and all of you said we were loaded this year. Why aren't you all holding him to the same standard for this season as MA? Lets fire Van Horn too right? Who needs stability?

When MA has half of the success here that DVH has had wake me up.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: WPWells on April 18, 2016, 11:04:33 am
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 11:02:00 am
They are a terrible baseball team this year if you haven't noticed.

It's so tough
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 11:26:10 am
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 11:02:00 am
They are a terrible baseball team this year if you haven't noticed.

Which has nothing to do with my post, in case you didn't notice.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 12:06:30 pm
I think the point he's making is that baseball is down bad this year and they were not expected to be vs basketball was down and everyone expected them to be!

*But I might be adding a lot to what wasn't said!  ???
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 18, 2016, 12:08:33 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 12:06:30 pm
I think the point he's making is that baseball is down bad this year and they were not expected to be vs basketball was down and everyone expected them to be!

True, but baseball has been very good recently with the current coach, basketball has not.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 12:26:14 pm
Did Kingsley officially declare?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 18, 2016, 12:28:32 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 12:26:14 pm
Did Kingsley officially declare?

Just testing the waters, he can come back.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on April 18, 2016, 12:30:10 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 12:26:14 pm
Did Kingsley officially declare?

I am being sarcastic obviously for everyone... I just like stability!! But if Kingsley is gone gone?? OH DEAR :'(
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 12:32:53 pm
If Kingsley leaves, MA better enjoy his final year on the Hill.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 04:05:53 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 12:32:53 pm
If Kingsley leaves, MA better enjoy his final year on the Hill.

I don't think it's to that point...yet! Signed a top 30 recruiting class for 2016 and currently has the #4 ranked for 2017 (although its early)!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 04:22:01 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 04:05:53 pm
I don't think it's to that point...yet! Signed a top 30 recruiting class for 2016 and currently has the #4 ranked for 2017 (although its early)!

Yeah, but don't forget 2015's.......
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 04:23:55 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 04:05:53 pm
I don't think it's to that point...yet! Signed a top 30 recruiting class for 2016 and currently has the #4 ranked for 2017 (although its early)!

No, this will be the make or break season MA. You could put good money on it I believe.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 05:19:26 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 04:23:55 pm
No, this will be the make or break season MA. You could put good money on it I believe.


I think he'll get one more, regardless of the season. It might not be warranted, but that's my opinion.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 05:48:04 pm
So two more years in your opinion?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 18, 2016, 06:15:08 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 05:48:04 pm
So two more years in your opinion?

Yeah, unless it's a complete bust, which is possible without Moses. The message has been delivered, but I think he'll get two years to get us in the tournament.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on April 19, 2016, 02:01:41 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 18, 2016, 04:23:55 pm
No, this will be the make or break season MA. You could put good money on it I believe.

Naw the last thing UA needs is to appear unreasonable. Even though each coach since Nolan for the most part has been given time to turn it around I'm sure in the minds of most recruits...something must be wrong with Arkansas. Not saying that is true or not but we run off another coach and I believe that image will be out there for every recruit. If that happens it would take hiring a coach that is a heck of a recruiter to change that image.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 02:06:43 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 19, 2016, 02:01:41 pm
Naw the last thing UA needs is to appear unreasonable. Even though each coach since Nolan for the most part has been given time to turn it around I'm sure in the minds of most recruits...something must be wrong with Arkansas. Not saying that is true or not but we run off another coach and I believe that image will be out there for every recruit. If that happens it would take hiring a coach that is a heck of a recruiter to change that image.

That's the problem, we need a heck of a recruiter.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 19, 2016, 03:30:12 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 18, 2016, 04:05:53 pm
I don't think it's to that point...yet! Signed a top 30 recruiting class for 2016 and currently has the #4 ranked for 2017 (although its early)!

No Kingsley means no strong post presence and were left with Trey Thompson to fill that gap. We would have a hard time winning in the Sun Belt Conference without strong post play. There's no Karl Anthony Towns in 2016 class.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 19, 2016, 03:43:10 pm
Quote from: Romeo on April 19, 2016, 03:30:12 pm
No Kingsley means no strong post presence and were left with Trey Thompson to fill that gap. We would have a hard time winning in the Sun Belt Conference without strong post play. There's no Karl Anthony Towns in 2016 class.


HAHAHA. If that is the case, we are in a sad, sad, sad state of affairs. Worse than we could imagine.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on April 19, 2016, 03:58:22 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 02:06:43 pm
That's the problem, we need a heck of a recruiter.

I agree but we've been needing one of those since before Nolan left!
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 04:00:31 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 19, 2016, 03:58:22 pm
I agree but we've been needing one of those since before Nolan left!

I agree, does that mean we quit looking?
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 19, 2016, 04:18:00 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on April 19, 2016, 03:43:10 pm

HAHAHA. If that is the case, we are in a sad, sad, sad state of affairs. Worse than we could imagine.

Its absolutely crucial that Kingsley returns next season. Trey Thompson is the only post player returning with experience. Then you have Dustin Thomas, who didn't play last season and averaged 2 points a game at Colorado. Then you have two newcomers who are good but questionable. I've seen enough games of Marshawn Powell with Michael Sanchez and Hunter Mickelson to know you can't win without post play.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 19, 2016, 04:19:15 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 04:00:31 pm
I agree, does that mean we quit looking?

Stan Heath was a good recruiter, he just underachieved with the players he got.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on April 19, 2016, 04:32:45 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 04:00:31 pm
I agree, does that mean we quit looking?

No but we need to understand that it's not as easy as posting it on snap-chat! Whether real or imaginary we need to accept that the perception is that it's tough recruiting basketball players to Arkansas (tough nearly everywhere but one would think Arkansas would be easier than it is).
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 19, 2016, 10:50:05 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on April 16, 2016, 09:34:13 pm
Khalil Garland to be a Tiger.

https://twitter.com/NathanClayborn/status/722584590968160256
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 27, 2016, 10:50:30 am
New commit 6-7 forward out of Indiana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtfQlx9yhY
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: Romeo on May 09, 2016, 05:26:47 pm
Moses is withdrawing from the draft and will return next season.
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: AirWarren on May 09, 2016, 06:48:17 pm
That should have never even been a question ha
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 10, 2016, 08:24:53 am
Always good to get a quality walk on:

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2016/may/09/glasper-announces-arkansas/
Title: Re: 2015-2016 Arkansas basketball
Post by: beach bum on May 10, 2016, 08:51:49 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 10, 2016, 08:24:53 am
Always good to get a quality walk on:

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2016/may/09/glasper-announces-arkansas/

If he was 6'3" with his abilities he would have every coach at his door. I believe he has the potential to earn a scholarship after 4 or 5 years at the U of A. I hope nothing but the best for him and hope he improves every year enough to earn one eventually. 28.5 points a game is a big number in high school..... Like you said it is just a walk on, but that is about as much as you could ever ask for out of a walk on.