I see where Waldron has posted their vacancy for head football coach and athletics director. Where did Ricky May go? Word on the street is he is at Booneville now.
Waldron: on the road to success.
According to the Booneville Democrat he's back at Booneville as "Dean of Students/Athletic Director of Booneville schools".
I believe he is dean of students and athletics director at Booneville now.
That's what I hear.
I also heard they are in need of more than one coach....but who knows??
Quote from: AirWarren on May 01, 2018, 06:50:11 pm
Waldron: on the road to success.
People really shouldn't make Titles like that on here...it goes on FOREVER
Well, since Waldron just added brand new turf.....who is going to lead the Big Bad Dogs In Bulldog Land??
Anyone know who is available?
I know junior high doesn't equate to high school wins but they and the 7th grade team last year did well...just sayin'
BYW...What was the name of the super talented twins that played for Magazine a few years back? It was during Magazine State Title run, I believe?
Wonder if this job will attract many quality applicants?lived in this area as a young kid always thought it was a nice part of the state.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on May 01, 2018, 09:29:57 pm
BYW...What was the name of the super talented twins that played for Magazine a few years back? It was during Magazine State Title run, I believe?
Chambers
Quote from: Any Given Friday on May 01, 2018, 09:40:14 pm
Wonder if this job will attract many quality applicants?lived in this area as a young kid always thought it was a nice part of the state.
No it will not
That is a big surprise. I thought the program was heading in a good direction. They have a heck of a group of young athletes in Jr high right now. They dominated the district track meet.
Hopefully they can go out, and find someone who can do more with less.
Waldron has had talented Jr high groups come through time after time. For some reason that don't translate into Sr High. For some reason they go different directions. The district is spread out all over the place I guess could be one reason. One thing for sure they have nice facilities.
So the coach just got out of coaching?
In that area I think the Subiaco coach/AD is always available! Of course if the money is right.
Quote from: Any Given Friday on May 01, 2018, 09:40:14 pm
Wonder if this job will attract many quality applicants?lived in this area as a young kid always thought it was a nice part of the state.
I wouldn't see why the position wouldn't attract quality Coaches.
Some speculated on here that Waldron wouldn't break their losing streak or be able to hire Coach May but they did.
Anything can happen.
Quote from: athletic supporter on May 01, 2018, 09:41:22 pm
Chambers
Thank you. I had heard one made a Coach, wasn't sure of the name.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on May 03, 2018, 03:05:59 pm
Thank you. I had heard one made a Coach, wasn't sure of the name.
Both are coaches. Cory will most likely be at Waldron next year and his brother Ryan has been coaching at Magazine last couple years.
Quote from: nastynice on May 03, 2018, 05:27:21 pm
Both are coaches. Cory will most likely be at Waldron next year and his brother Ryan has been coaching at Magazine last couple years.
Thanks, Nasty. I am assuming he might become an assistant coach or is/has he applied for the HC?
I imagine Cory will just be an assistant. Be good for him to get a few years under his belt.
Program had done a little better the last couple years. I wonder if the coach just saw he had maxed out and decided to go back to Booneville. I hear he is new A.D. there but was he tired of coaching?
Probably just better paying job.
Better paying job and better for his family. His wife is a successful teacher and cheerleading coach in Booneville. Hopefully, Waldron can find the right guy to build upon the foundation that Coach May has laid.
Maybe Waldron can land an assistant from the Fort Smith area?
Was told DC from DeQueen has applied. Don't know much about him, but had a big turn around this last year.
DC at DeQueen would be a home run for school like Waldron. I had DeQueen listed on another post as a team with a giant turn around in 1 years time.
My rank:
1. Cody (Atkins) 6 wins next year
2. Hutson (Paris) 5 wins next year
3. OC DeQueen 4 wins next year
4 wins are built into the schedule.
Man you would think hutson could atleast get us 7 lol
What are these coaches offensive and defensive schemes? What will they try to implement? Coach May is still coaching up the players at Waldron until his contract is up. They're starting spring ball today, and will be running the same schemes.
Quote from: doggieskoot2 on May 07, 2018, 11:23:54 am
My rank:
1. Cody (Atkins) 6 wins next year
2. Hutson (Paris) 5 wins next year
3. OC DeQueen 4 wins next year
4 wins are built into the schedule.
So who are the built in 4 wins?
I think they could get 7 if things go well. I also think they could end with 3 if thins do not.
@ Mansfield (Mansfield, AR) Win 1
Paris (Paris, AR) Win 2
@ Danville (Danville, AR) 50/50 win
Elkins (Elkins, AR) * 50/50 win
@ Dardanelle (Dardanelle, AR) * Loss
Pottsville (Pottsville, AR) * Loss
Subiaco Academy (Subiaco, AR) * Win 3
@ Mena (Mena, AR) Loss
Ozark (Ozark, AR) * Loss
@ Dover (Dover, AR) * 50/50 win
So there is 3 wins and 3 50/50 games. 4 losses
A monkey could win the 3 games. Coach makes up the 50/50 games. Bear Bryant couldn't beat the other 4.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 07, 2018, 01:00:23 pm
What are these coaches offensive and defensive schemes? What will they try to implement? Coach May is still coaching up the players at Waldron until his contract is up. They're starting spring ball today, and will be running the same schemes.
A variety of schemes from what I hear, especially two of the HC applicants.
Looking at Hutsons record his wins have been trending down. 4 wins last year 7 wins is best season in last 6 years.
Quote from: BlueBass on May 07, 2018, 05:13:08 pm
Looking at Hutsons record his wins have been trending down. 4 wins last year 7 wins is best season in last 6 years.
Hard to win with 22 -24 players out and a lack of talent and early season athlete losses from injuries. Starting inexperienced 10th graders is difficult. You see a lot of that in 2A and 3A ball.
Waldron needs to find the guy who can win with less athletic kids find the guy who has shown he can do a lot with a little.
How involved was May in youth-level play? That solid bunch of rising 8G'ers would've been in 4G his first season...
Lets be honest...its waldron and in one bad moment waldron could regress back to 0-10. May just simply wasnt there long enough to lay a solid foundation. I dont wish that on them but it could happen. This is now makes the 2nd time that May has left Waldron for booneville correct me if i am wrong. Waldron needs someone that will stay in Waldron. Wants to truly be there. I think May had the right idea in running the Wing T/option type offense. Youre not going to get many 4.7s and 4.6s kids but you can get 3 to 4 yards a carry and milk the clock.
Quote from: BlueBass on May 07, 2018, 08:38:33 pm
Waldron needs to find the guy who can win with less athletic kids find the guy who has shown he can do a lot with a little.
Everyone's dream coach! Sounds to me like a Subiaco type situation. Good luck with that.
Waldron has the athletes. They were district champs in track the past two years. Its an issue of getting those athletes out on the field. Hard to do that if the culture has been down for so long. Watched the first day of spring ball today, and saw a few guys who have made leaps and bounds from last year. I hope they find the right guy for the job and the players buy in.
Related question:
Would anyone from the Rippy-Hyatt-Rust coaching tree have any interest?
Quote from: x14113 on May 08, 2018, 02:37:16 am
Related question:
Would anyone from the Rippy-Hyatt-Rust coaching tree have any interest?
Two have been at Waldron already. Mann and May. There are several spread out around the state, but I doubt they'd want to go to Waldron.....Now that Booneville is in 3a for possibly a long time, some could be interested.
Saw DC from DeQueen mentioned I got to know him last year at Sheridan I know he was at McGehee for 5 or 6 years before that. Their head coach is one of biggest wing T coaches in the state he learned from Frank Mclellan. Kids loved him full of energy. Biggest draw to me would be his son freakishly big athletic kid I think he will be in 8th grade not 100% sure.
I would really hate to lose our DC selfishly I hope he stays here at DeQueen, but our school under pays coaches, under staffed, and facilities in need of major upgrades. Watching him run practices, and game calling I knew it was going to be hard to keep a coach of his caliber in DeQueen. Our team is 70-80% Hispanic, and is by far less athletic then every team we play plus most of our kids didn't grow up playing the game. The changes we had this year was phenomenal. FBTrap his son is in going into the 7th grade, and is an animal.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 08, 2018, 12:06:04 am
Waldron has the athletes. They were district champs in track the past two years. Its an issue of getting those athletes out on the field. Hard to do that if the culture has been down for so long. Watched the first day of spring ball today, and saw a few guys who have made leaps and bounds from last year. I hope they find the right guy for the job and the players buy in.
I hope they do too.
Quote from: whippersnapper on May 07, 2018, 09:45:02 pm
Lets be honest...its waldron and in one bad moment waldron could regress back to 0-10. May just simply wasnt there long enough to lay a solid foundation. I dont wish that on them but it could happen. This is now makes the 2nd time that May has left Waldron for booneville correct me if i am wrong. Waldron needs someone that will stay in Waldron. Wants to truly be there. I think May had the right idea in running the Wing T/option type offense. Youre not going to get many 4.7s and 4.6s kids but you can get 3 to 4 yards a carry and milk the clock.
They could very well regress....especially with more than one coach leaving from what I understand.
Anyone heard when they will start interviews?
Quote from: whippersnapper on May 07, 2018, 09:45:02 pm
Lets be honest...its waldron and in one bad moment waldron could regress back to 0-10. May just simply wasnt there long enough to lay a solid foundation. I dont wish that on them but it could happen. This is now makes the 2nd time that May has left Waldron for booneville correct me if i am wrong. Waldron needs someone that will stay in Waldron. Wants to truly be there. I think May had the right idea in running the Wing T/option type offense. Youre not going to get many 4.7s and 4.6s kids but you can get 3 to 4 yards a carry and milk the clock.
They got two or three boys in Jr high that can run that right now. The way they dominated the jr 4-4a district track meet don't think they do not have any talent coming up.
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 08, 2018, 11:05:20 am
They got two or three boys in Jr high that can run that right now. The way they dominated the jr 4-4a district track meet don't think they do not have any talent coming up.
No
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 08, 2018, 11:05:20 am
They got two or three boys in Jr high that can run that right now. The way they dominated the jr 4-4a district track meet don't think they do not have any talent coming up.
Speed alone does not guarantee one to be a good football player. Need to be able to take a hit, avoid tacklers, run over someone if necessary, catch a football, carry out fakes, perhaps know how to throw a pass if a running back using a throw back, etc etc. Many fast guys do not even go out for football or basketball in the 2A and 3A arenas. Lot of students have to work after school or have demanding girlfriends. LOL
:-\
Quote from: purpleswag on May 08, 2018, 11:10:37 am
No
Here are the district 100 times for their 4 boys 11.29, 11.70, 12.09, 12.38.
The Junior High HC is also Waldron Boys Track Coach, I believe.
7th grade went undefeated last year and the JR High team had a winning record.
Well, congrats on your new coach who was an assistant at Paris a couple of years ago. His record this year was 1-9 at Dierks from what I hear. Maybe he will work out. Oh well, this year will tell. Congrats on your search committee's in depth search. Guess they wanted a person who had a history at Waldron who wants to stay forever.. :-\
Quote from: HSFBF on May 08, 2018, 12:51:11 pm
Well, congrats on your new coach who was an assistant at Paris a couple of years ago. His record this year was 1-9 at Dierks from what I hear. Maybe he will work out. Hear he has a relative who is a Principal at Waldron and who is close to the Superintendent. Oh well, this year will tell. Congrats on your search committee's in depth search. Guess they wanted a person who had a history at Waldron who wants to stay forever.. :-\
They already filled the position??? Say What?
From my experience most positions are already filled prior to being listed. They just run the listing cause they have to.
So you are saying they hired coach Bates?
I really hope you are kidding. That would tell a lot about the administration and board if they didn't even conduct interviews.
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 08, 2018, 01:25:09 pm
From my experience most positions are already filled prior to being listed. They just run the listing cause they have to.
Yeah....By law they have to run it. Bull formality that wastes other applicants time, in some cases. IMO.
So kids getting a former assistant at Paris and 1 year Head coach with 1-9 record at a small school? Lol
Especially when they had one coach apply who was very interested and has 199 Wins and an Undefeated State Championship under his belt.
And if so, then Waldron wins 3 games next year. Wow!!
Quote from: Eagle boss on May 09, 2018, 07:49:14 am
Especially when they had one coach apply who was very interested and has 199 Wins and an Undefeated State Championship under his belt.
Do tell...
Quote from: Kraig Crist on May 09, 2018, 09:08:56 am
Doug Scheel to Waldron!
Think Doug has a resume that's quite a bit more impressive than that
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 08, 2018, 01:25:09 pm
From my experience most positions are already filled prior to being listed. They just run the listing cause they have to.
Seems like what has gone on here. They probably had more interest in the job than they've had in a very long time and chose this.
Couple ok sr High seasons after 40+ losing streak
7-3 Jr high
9-0 7th
Playoffs first time in forever
Nice facility with good looking turf
Land on a 1-9 guy with 1 year HC experience and shut down interview process after 3-4 interviews
If you really want to build a program you do your research and pick best quality guy and fit for the area. Administration just told us how much they value our team. Lot of hard work on kids to make a buddy hire.
Welcome To Fearless!
Where's Hoghead with his smokes and drinks!? LOL!
So is this hire confirmed? And is the tie to Waldron confirmed?
Quote from: gameoflife on May 09, 2018, 08:38:48 pm
So is this hire confirmed?
All indications I'm hearing point towards, yes.
Apparently, Coach Bates coached some years back under Coach Klatt in Waldron.
Quote from: ColdBeercat79 on May 09, 2018, 06:23:09 pm
Seems like what has gone on here. They probably had more interest in the job than they've had in a very long time and chose this.
Couple ok sr High seasons after 40+ losing streak
7-3 Jr high
9-0 7th
Playoffs first time in forever
Nice facility with good looking turf
Land on a 1-9 guy with 1 year HC experience and shut down interview process after 3-4 interviews
Is this fact or speculation?
Any idea who the other candidates were that interviewed for the Waldron job?
I'm not sure who they interviewed, but I know of 3 guys who applied who are far more qualified then their current selection. Seems like we got so much going in the right direction, and the administration just wants to throw a wrench in it.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on May 09, 2018, 09:24:50 pm
Is this fact or speculation?
Any idea who the other candidates were that interviewed for the Waldron job?
Fact.
This hiring practice sounds like a great way for a first year Superintendent to be a ONE year Superintendent.
I understand, that your not going to get a super star coach in Waldron most likely. My kids are still a few years away from high school ball, but if this is a taste of what is to come may be a good time to look at other schools for them. I've been excited over the last few years about the gains being made, and all these kids who put in so much work are just getting slapped in the face. I wouldn't be against a younger coach, but atleast one with a small amount of descent credentials. The coach they are bringing in may be a great guy, but I want to know the school did their job in finding the best candidate. Has school board already voted?
The coach who had 199 wins and an undefeated state championship and numerous deep post season runs in the playoffs was considered one of the best coaches in Kansas. His forte was rebuilding programs from not being very good to being state ranked powers. Had done that at four different schools. He really wanted this job because he loved the area and would have put him closer to his kids and grandkids and he said he would have been willing to stay there for eight or nine years to build them into a contender.
Quote from: Eagle boss on May 10, 2018, 02:48:44 pm
The coach who had 199 wins and an undefeated state championship and numerous deep post season runs in the playoffs was considered one of the best coaches in Kansas. His forte was rebuilding programs from not being very good to being state ranked powers. Had done that at four different schools. He really wanted this job because he loved the area and would have put him closer to his kids and grandkids and he said he would have been willing to stay there for eight or nine years to build them into a contender.
Oh wow.
Someone made mention in passing conversation that Coach May's son Brock had shown interest since he is already on the Coaching Staff in Waldron....but I don't know all the specifics. Just conversation.
I do know some have expressed how pleased they are with Brock and what a great motivator he is for the kids in Waldron. I think that last year might have been his first year to coach but not certain on that.
Was the Chambers guy hired for a position at Waldron or no?
Good Luck To Coach Bates and the Bulldogs!
Coach B May's first year was 2016 @privatelesson.
Quote from: Eagle boss on May 10, 2018, 02:48:44 pm
The coach who had 199 wins and an undefeated state championship and numerous deep post season runs in the playoffs was considered one of the best coaches in Kansas. His forte was rebuilding programs from not being very good to being state ranked powers. Had done that at four different schools. He really wanted this job because he loved the area and would have put him closer to his kids and grandkids and he said he would have been willing to stay there for eight or nine years to build them into a contender.
And those coaches always keep their word.
I would rather have a great coach for a couple of years, than a less than mediocre coach come in, and run the program into the ground for 10. Good coaches leave a lot of times, and that is just the nature of the sport. Our school wants to win, and taking a chance with a great coach who may only a few years is ok as long as they leave the program in a better spot than when they arrived.
I know nothing is official yet, but we need to give the new coach a chance. If you're a supporter of Waldron athletics, I think it would be best to get behind the coach and support him. He will have enough pressure just starting in June and getting to know all of the players, let alone installing any new schemes he may bring in. The community doesn't need to add any more pressure, but welcome him and help however we can.
From watching Waldron for years (and sometimes feeling sorry for them even) :) ;) And having friends and a little family there, it's been nice to see them become more competitive
The frustration from what I'm hearing is that they didn't pursue every avenue they could to make sure they're doing right by the kids
Redline I understand what your saying not the coaches fault he is just taking a job, but allowing employees paid with our tax dollars not do the right thing is an issue, and if no one checks them it is doing nothing but hurting the kids. Your basically saying let them do whatever they want, and just be ok with it. I can understand arguing between a few qualified candidates on here. But there is no leg to stand on here, and hopefully the board does their job, and ask questions like:
- Who else was interviewed?
- What made you feel he was the best fit?
- beside a 1-9 season what else has he done to be considered for a head coaching position here?
Quote from: BlueBass on May 11, 2018, 12:06:07 pm
I can understand arguing between a few qualified candidates on here. But there is no leg to stand on here, and hopefully the board does their job, and ask questions like:
- Who else was interviewed?
- What made you feel he was the best fit?
- beside a 1-9 season what else has he done to be considered for a head coaching position here?
It would take a few people like you to contact the Board about this issue. Perhaps they know already? The Board is the key here or maybe nothing they can do...
@bluebass I agree completely and I'm not for how this was conducted. The hire should always be about who can bring the most success to the kids and the program. If this decision was made because of anything else, that's a shame.
We are talking about Scott County, Arkansas right?? What else would you expect besides the good ole boy system from there.....
Please explain how y'all do it up in Pea Ride, beach bum?
Wonder if the new coach has already resigned from his current school?
Yes. I will tell you that his playbook doesn't change to fit talent. And he will run the same play over and over. Doesn't take long to figure out the offense. Sorry, hope it works out for you all. But there are no hurt feelings at his previous school.
I've been following this post for several days. It seems to only get worse for Waldron regarding this hire. The Waldron folk are not excited that he will be taking the reigns and the previous team just seems happy that he's gone. Remember, a new hire involves a lot of people. The AD, Principal, Superintendent, and often other faculty will all decide on a candidate to ask the board to approve. The board has the final say. Consider who you voted for and contact those board members if you're concerned. The Waldron kids deserve a fair shake and maybe Bates was the best choice, maybe not. Often times board members are "yes, men/women," IE they simply say yes to whatever the superintendent wants, this may be the case over in Scott County. I hope the best for the program, it certainly has been moving in a positive direction recently.
As long as he beats Subiaco every year he will keep his job!
Quote from: Trojanbird on May 11, 2018, 10:50:42 pm
As long as he beats Subiaco every year he will keep his job!
+1
There's your 1-9 season. Consistency?
Politics plays a part in almost every hire, maybe every hire.
Quote from: gameoflife on May 12, 2018, 08:43:38 am
Politics plays a part in almost every hire, maybe every hire.
But it shouldn't ... especially if a coach is unproven as a HC. Better to promote from within I guess, that way the fans and Board, etc will know something about the coach's abilities. Some assistants never want to be a HC due to all the added responsibilities and pressure. Some never have the mindset of being a HC, etc.... Each town has its own way of doing things on hiring but there needs to be more consistency for sure.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 11, 2018, 02:54:20 pm
Please explain how y'all do it up in Pea Ridge, beach bum?
Never heard of them....
Is it official yet?
Quote from: coachsearch on May 12, 2018, 11:56:16 am
Is it official yet?
Most indications are "yes", a Superintendent's decision has been made. Maybe this situation will close 'for sure' by Monday, as it would be nice for the HC to meet the players and orchestrate a practice session or two before school is out for the summer. ???
Monday at 6:30 is board meeting if anyone would like to see if the board has our kids best interest in mind. I'm trying to get contact info on board, but can't find E-mail or phone numbers for them. Making them aware of situation would be great then they can not say they didn't really know.
Quote from: BlueBass on May 12, 2018, 12:35:46 pm
Monday at 6:30 is board meeting if anyone would like to see if the board has our kids best interest in mind. I'm trying to get contact info on board, but can't find E-mail or phone numbers for them. Making them aware of situation would be great then they can not say they didn't really know.
True. But every school's selection committee varies, sometimes a solo person, such as an AD, and sometimes a complete board. It is what it is...
Waldron School Board
Brian Jones
Nicky Hunt
Eddie Harrison
Steve Ewing
Tammy Sherrill
School Boards should not be involved in hiring coaches.
Quote from: Oldman on May 14, 2018, 10:32:19 am
School Boards should not be involved in hiring coaches.
Why do feel this way? They are there to make sure the school is handling things in the best interest of the kids.
Quote from: BlueBass on May 14, 2018, 10:47:14 am
Why do feel this way? They are there to make sure the school is handling things in the best interest of the kids.
Then they should hire a sup that makes good decisions. That is who the school board hires to run the school so let him run it. If he doesn't do a good job find someone else
After reading these messages, I am not sure why anyone would even consider going to Waldron. Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt that their buddy didnt get the job and now has to bad mouth the guy they did hire. Sure he only had one win last year, but it was his first job and that probably means he was taking over at a place that didnt have much talent or the previous coach wouldnt have left. And we are still talking Waldron correct, not sure I remember them being a powerhouse football team in the past two decades. Not like they have Hall of Fame coaches lining up to coach them Im sure.
Quote from: Bosshog34 on May 14, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
After reading these messages, I am not sure why anyone would even consider going to Waldron. Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt that their buddy didnt get the job and now has to bad mouth the guy they did hire. Sure he only had one win last year, but it was his first job and that probably means he was taking over at a place that didnt have much talent or the previous coach wouldnt have left. And we are still talking Waldron correct, not sure I remember them being a powerhouse football team in the past two decades. Not like they have Hall of Fame coaches lining up to coach them Im sure.
A lot of things have changed in Waldron over the past couple of years, I would think a young coach would jump at the chance to coach there. They have good new facilities. They have a good crop of young prospects coming up. I do not know if they will ever turn into a power house, but they can be a solid program in the 4A.
Quote from: Bosshog34 on May 14, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
After reading these messages, I am not sure why anyone would even consider going to Waldron. Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt that their buddy didnt get the job and now has to bad mouth the guy they did hire. Sure he only had one win last year, but it was his first job and that probably means he was taking over at a place that didnt have much talent or the previous coach wouldnt have left. And we are still talking Waldron correct, not sure I remember them being a powerhouse football team in the past two decades. Not like they have Hall of Fame coaches lining up to coach them Im sure.
You think you're making a post in defense of him, but you are actually only making it sound even worse that they hired him.... I think people would even understand if he went in three years something like this....1-9, 4-6, and 7-3...... That is still a losing overall record but at least they show improvement overall..... No normal program hires a guy with one year experience HC at 1-9. I don't know why you are even trying to justify it. It sounds like you are getting your feelings hurt over the rest of the posters on here being completely sensible thinking a one year, 1-9 coach in 2A is not what this program needs.
How does that make him sound worse? The guy got a job as his first head coaching job and had zero talent. How many coaches get a job and win immediately? Cant judge how good a head coach is after one season no matter where they coach at. You have to give them time to develop talent and the guy did a great job with the junior high at Dierks. He didnt have the pieces to work with in senior high. He will do a great job at Waldron if people give him a chance.
Quote from: Bosshog34 on May 14, 2018, 12:45:26 pm
How does that make him sound worse? The guy got a job as his first head coaching job and had zero talent. How many coaches get a job and win immediately? Cant judge how good a head coach is after one season no matter where they coach at. You have to give them time to develop talent and the guy did a great job with the junior high at Dierks. He didnt have the pieces to work with in senior high. He will do a great job at Waldron if people give him a chance.
Its nothing against the guy just doesn't add up. Regardless the reasons of a 1-9 record the facts are he has had one job, and went 1-9. We are taking steps in the right direction, and need to make a sound hire.
Quote from: Bosshog34 on May 14, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
After reading these messages, I am not sure why anyone would even consider going to Waldron. Sounds to me like someone got their feelings hurt that their buddy didnt get the job and now has to bad mouth the guy they did hire. Sure he only had one win last year, but it was his first job and that probably means he was taking over at a place that didnt have much talent or the previous coach wouldnt have left. And we are still talking Waldron correct, not sure I remember them being a powerhouse football team in the past two decades. Not like they have Hall of Fame coaches lining up to coach them Im sure.
Really? So every Coach in Arkansas should just use the excuse 'It's Waldron" and not bother with actually wanting to help kids?
Say what you want but Ricky May came from a power house football program and has had Waldron moving in the right direction.
You guys with all the excuses and justifications no longer fly.
Man......
It's times like these I hear the old fearless friday voice of Coach Venny! LOL!
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 14, 2018, 12:34:35 pm
A lot of things have changed in Waldron over the past couple of years, I would think a young coach would jump at the chance to coach there. They have good new facilities. They have a good crop of young prospects coming up. I do not know if they will ever turn into a power house, but they can be a solid program in the 4A.
Waldron is arbitrarily a 6-5 or a 5-5 team with a playoff appearance every so many years. That is usually par for Waldron.
Competitive and what changed I heard from some is that the teams that played Waldron.....they had to beat them. It wasn't this roll over 48-0 wins.
Word is that some of the board members are upset about the potential hire and are doing what they can to stop it......
Quote from: BlueBass on May 14, 2018, 10:47:14 am
Why do feel this way? They are there to make sure the school is handling things in the best interest of the kids.
Because many board members know nothing about football. Their job is to make sure they back the super or to get a new super.
those board members got my vote. Allow your sup to do their job unless it is obviously a bad hire.
Quote from: beach bum on May 14, 2018, 12:40:07 pm
You think you're making a post in defense of him, but you are actually only making it sound even worse that they hired him.... I think people would even understand if he went in three years something like this....1-9, 4-6, and 7-3...... That is still a losing overall record but at least they show improvement overall..... No normal program hires a guy with one year experience HC at 1-9. I don't know why you are even trying to justify it. It sounds like you are getting your feelings hurt over the rest of the posters on here being completely sensible thinking a one year, 1-9 coach in 2A is not what this program needs.
+1 just common sense don't have to know much about football to understand this is not logical.
Quote from: Bosshog34 on May 14, 2018, 12:45:26 pm
How does that make him sound worse? The guy got a job as his first head coaching job and had zero talent. How many coaches get a job and win immediately? Cant judge how good a head coach is after one season no matter where they coach at. You have to give them time to develop talent and the guy did a great job with the junior high at Dierks. He didnt have the pieces to work with in senior high. He will do a great job at Waldron if people give him a chance.
The rub is this - other candidates for that job were MUCH more qualified. The administration chose not to undertake a real interview process, from all accounts. IF Coach Bates was the best candidate from a legit process - good for him and best of luck. Everything points to a sham process being conducted and the kids in that program - and every program in the state - deserve better. I think the venom is being directed at Bates himself when it shouldn't be. The administration should be the object of frustration.
That said, will be interested in see if this gets approved at Waldron's board meeting.
Anybody got word what happened yet?
Congratulations to Coach Bates and family on being hired as the next Waldron head football coach. Talked to him tonight and he's excited to get started. The community supports you coach!
Hope the best for coach Bates, but superintendent and board just showed how important our kids are to them.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 14, 2018, 10:46:29 pm
Congratulations to Coach Bates and family on being hired as the next Waldron head football coach. Talked to him tonight and he's excited to get started. The community supports you coach!
Doesn't seem like it
I understand that a lot of people are upset, but if the community is already down on him, then the players will hear about it and lose heart too. Need to support the players and in doing that, the new coach needs supported as well.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 15, 2018, 08:27:41 am
I understand that a lot of people are upset, but if the community is already down on him, then the players will hear about it and lose heart too. Need to support the players and in doing that, the new coach needs supported as well.
I understand your point, but if people just let this go it will keep happening, and powers that be figure it will just blow over, and they can continue to make poor decisions.
Waldron on the road to anarchy.
I have to agree with oldman that in general I don't want school board involved except in extremely rare situations. This may be one of those rare scenarios. That's up to the people of Waldron to decide. Just look at the people on your school board and ask yourself if you want those people making decisions. When I went to early vote today I almost laughed looking at the names on the school board ballot. Small town politics are something else and a joke...
Quote from: beach bum on May 15, 2018, 11:35:40 am
I have to agree with oldman that in general I don't want school board involved except in extremely rare situations. This may be one of those rare scenarios. That's up to the people of Waldron to decide. Just look at the people on your school board and ask yourself if you want those people making decisions. When I went to early vote today I almost laughed looking at the names on the school board ballot. Small town politics are something else and a joke...
You have a year to get your name on there for next election............
I have served my time on a school board. It takes a balance of good people for it to work correct. The power should not be any individual person but the board as a whole. The boards job is to hold the superintendent accountable for the budget and his staff under him. If the super does a good job support. If not replace. The main problem is most people wanting on a school board have an agenda going into it. I have done a lot of volunteer work over my years. I have to say serving on a school board has to be the most thankless of any.
I remember one time the superintendent brought a new hire for a science position. I looked at the applicant and said I can't approve this person. All D's on his college transcript in all science subjects. The super said this is the only applicant period, but this person has matured and will make a good teacher. Funny we trusted the supper and the person turned out to be my sons favorite science teacher and a great teacher. My son is in Doctorate school now working in the science field of geology.
Quote from: BLUEBLOOD on May 15, 2018, 01:25:58 pm
You have a year to get your name on there for next election............
I can't do that.... I have no children and never will have any so that's that for my future school board dreams ;D
Quote from: Gray lizard on May 15, 2018, 01:52:40 pm
I have served my time on a school board. It takes a balance of good people for it to work correct. The power should not be any individual person but the board as a whole. The boards job is to hold the superintendent accountable for the budget and his staff under him. If the super does a good job support. If not replace. The main problem is most people wanting on a school board have an agenda going into it. I have done a lot of volunteer work over my years. I have to say serving on a school board has to be the most thankless of any.
I remember one time the superintendent brought a new hire for a science position. I looked at the applicant and said I can't approve this person. All D's on his college transcript in all science subjects. The super said this is the only applicant period, but this person has matured and will make a good teacher. Funny we trusted the supper and the person turned out to be my sons favorite science teacher and a great teacher. My son is in Doctorate school now working in the science field of geology.
That is very impressive and something to be proud of.... I have always loved geology.
Quote from: beach bum on May 15, 2018, 02:00:28 pm
I can't do that.... I have no children and never will have any so that's that for my future school board dreams ;D
Is that a requirement?
Quote from: Oldman on May 15, 2018, 02:01:49 pm
Is that a requirement?
I thought that it was in our district. Someone may tell me I am wrong, but from my understanding in our district you must have current children in the district. If I am wrong I hope someone corrects me. Although, that does not seem correct cause when I just paid my taxes on my 2 vehicles my money just went to the schools so I am hoping I am incorrect on my statement.
Quote from: Oldman on May 15, 2018, 02:01:49 pm
Is that a requirement?
I would hope not. Just have to live in the district to my knowledge You do not have to have a child in the district to care about the education offered. I think it could even be an objective plus if you did not have a child.
Quote from: beach bum on May 15, 2018, 02:05:03 pm
I thought that it was in our district. Someone may tell me I am wrong, but from my understanding in our district you must have current children in the district. If I am wrong I hope someone corrects me. Although, that does not seem correct cause when I just paid my taxes on my 2 vehicles my money just went to the schools so I am hoping I am incorrect on my statement.
I was joking, I don't think they can do that.
I can understand you guys being upset when you look at Coach Bates record. Give the guy a chance and please do not judge him by his record at Dierks. The season before he came to Dierks we had a stacked Sr class 17 kids that done most of the work. The coach that was here previously to Bates knew he was 1 and done so he did nothing to get the young guys any experience. Bates came highly recommended by one of the most respected coaches in the state so I know he can coach. Watch any Dierks film from that 1-9 season they never quit fought their guts out every game, they werent piling up wins but they represented their school very well. Judge him in 2 years I will check back to see if your opinions have changed. Good luck
Folks can put sugar on it all they want, but facts remain he only has 1 year head coaching experience with 1-9 record. Our admin was tasked with putting the best people in place for our kids. I mean saying a really good coach said he was good probably sold the deal over several other far more qualified applicants. He may end up doing great, but with current resume shouldn't have been anywhere near short list of applicants. This whole process was a complete failure on the admins part. Wonder if they will post all of the people who applied?
Quote from: BlueBass on May 15, 2018, 09:23:56 pm
Folks can put sugar on it all they want, but facts remain he only has 1 year head coaching experience with 1-9 record. Our admin was tasked with putting the best people in place for our kids. I mean saying a really good coach said he was good probably sold the deal over several other far more qualified applicants. He may end up doing great, but with current resume shouldn't have been anywhere near short list of applicants. This whole process was a complete failure on the admins part. Wonder if they will post all of the people who applied?
So who are these "far more qualified applicants"?
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 16, 2018, 08:25:22 am
So who are these "far more qualified applicants"?
Odds are we will never know all of the applicants. Wonder if that falls under freedom of information. I would like a list of
All that applied not just interviewed. Not sure if they even interviewed anybody. I have considered just letting it be, but i've got kids fixing to come through the program, and we finally got going in the right direction. Crap like this just keeps knocking us back down to the gutter.
I asked this and it was answered in the 2A forum a couple of years ago. How many head coaching jobs are REALLY open to general applicants?
The answer is: Virtually none of them. Especially in smaller schools but I'm sure it applies to larger schools which do not have an extensive reputation of success in football. Most schools don't have "search committees" or anyone other than the superintendent to find a head football coach. And most schools don't get several coaches with state titles and 100 wins on their resume's either.
A superintendent knows full well its his/her butt on the line if a head coach fails so they try to reduce the uncertainty as much as possible. They hire someone they know or someone recommended by someone they know. It isn't about who is "best for the kids" or who can "build the program". It is about being a known rather than an unknown.
Look at it from the superintendents point of view. When parents and booster club members come asking early in the season "What do you know about this guy?" what does the superintendent want to be able to say?
"I don't know a thing about him"
or
"I've known him for years"/"He came highly recommended".
Cody.........Atkins 94 career wins the last couple of years has been very good. Nice playoff run in 2016
Hutson......Paris 119 career wins has coached on multiple levels. Also has a masters degree
Quote from: doggieskoot2 on May 16, 2018, 10:44:04 am
Cody.........Atkins 94 career wins the last couple of years has been very good. Nice playoff run in 2016
Hutson......Paris 119 career wins has coached on multiple levels. Also has a masters degree
Two very well regarded coaches. Out of curiosity I looked up their coaching records, a little over 500. 53 and 58% career. Just shows that even the good ones have some rough years. Coaches I know say its about talent, Jimmys and Joes.
Quote from: doggieskoot2 on May 16, 2018, 10:44:04 am
Cody.........Atkins 94 career wins the last couple of years has been very good. Nice playoff run in 2016
Hutson......Paris 119 career wins has coached on multiple levels. Also has a masters degree
Why would Hutson leave Paris? Didn't he step down at NLR to go home?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on May 16, 2018, 11:53:58 am
Why would Hutson leave Paris? Didn't he step down at NLR to go home?
Yes he went home and after his last son graduated he became HS Principal and AD, having his administrative certification. He was asked to go back to HC at the urging of the assistant coaches when the former coach left... You can never take the coaching desires out of a coach. They are always there. A good, long time assistant coach went into administration recently and that hurt a lot, since there will be no replacement I hear.
Quote from: Oldman on May 15, 2018, 11:18:46 am
Waldron on the road to anarchy.
LOL! That's hilarious! 😂
And like sands through the hourglass...so are the days of our lives...
Quote from: PrivateLesson on May 16, 2018, 07:37:24 pm
LOL! That's hilarious! 😂
And like sands through the hourglass...so are the days of our lives...
I watch Days of Our Lives too, almost every day. But, this Waldron situation is a "done deal" now as with all OTHER coaching changes seen elsewhere on FF, about 30 or so new HC changes with 6-7 unfilled spots. Time to move on to other FF new subjects I think. Good luck to Waldron. If they lose students then they will drop back down to 3A. Interesting thought. Now back to DOOL..
Quote from: fbhound on May 16, 2018, 07:43:19 pm
I watch Days of Our Lives too, almost every day. But, this Waldron situation is a "done deal" now as with all OTHER coaching changes seen elsewhere on FF, about 30 or so new HC changes with 6-7 unfilled spots. Time to move on to other FF new subjects I think. Good luck to Waldron. If they lose students then they will drop back down to 3A. Interesting thought. Now back to DOOL..
Hmmmm.... interesting thought, indeed.
Decades ago the confeeence only went to 5A and Waldron was a 2A and even 3A school but that's been long long long ago...just like Alma and Greenwood at one time. Conferences were expanded years ago. Time changes things.
Waldron can only hope that they can stay in the conference they are in...4-4A.
Quote from: doggieskoot2 on May 16, 2018, 10:44:04 am
Cody.........Atkins 94 career wins the last couple of years has been very good. Nice playoff run in 2016
Hutson......Paris 119 career wins has coached on multiple levels. Also has a masters degree
Atkins is tough. Great football program
Quote from: PrivateLesson on May 16, 2018, 08:27:50 pm
Hmmmm.... interesting thought, indeed.
Decades ago the confeeence only went to 5A and Waldron was a 2A and even 3A school but that's been long long long ago...just like Alma and Greenwood at one time. Conferences were expanded years ago. Time changes things.
Waldron can only hope that they can stay in the conference they are in...4-4A.
I go back a bit more than you, back when it was the Big 5 or Big 6 then Big 7 schools and when Ark HS football was Class B through 3A only. And the playoffs in the early 1950s were sometimes between 4 schools only, the others not willing to travel for game #11. Then there were NO playoffs between about 1954 until late 1960s. Then football B was deleted and 1A thru 3A state champs were the "media champs" designated by final rankings by the AP. :)
Then, as you say, towns grew, and only basketball was B, the lowest level for football was 1A at one time. Now 2A is the lowest football (1A for basketball), and we have class 3A thru 7A with many schools throughout the state. Gosh time changes in just 60 years!!! SIXTY... ouch!! LOL Giving away my age. It was
way before Fearless Friday and a 4 game playoff season and playing maybe 14 games in one year. The basketball coaches HATE it since some good players don't get to start basketball until football season is over their town. :D
I just want to say I think you guys have gotten yourselves a good coach and mentor for your kids. Coach Bates is good coach and he is a great disciplinarian which in my opinion is one of the biggest keys to building a program. He will take no bull from his players on the field or classroom. His strength and conditioning program is very good and tailored to each player group. My son played for him for 3yrs in Jr high and that team went on to win a 2A state title and 2A state runner-up this past season. He will plant the seeds of success in your program if he is given the time, talent, and allowed coach without constant garbage from parents and board which tends to plague high school sports nowadays. Just my opinion but good luck!!
I'm curious as to why Waldron thinks ANY coach who has had success would want to go there? They obviously don't have a ton of talent and the community seems to have NO idea how to support football... yet they think they can pick and choose from the elite ranks who they want to lead their program? WOW.
Not many coaches will want to take the reigns of a program that can go 5-5 on a good year.
Quote from: BlueCrew4U on May 17, 2018, 08:24:33 am
I'm curious as to why Waldron thinks ANY coach who has had success would want to go there? They obviously don't have a ton of talent and the community seems to have NO idea how to support football... yet they think they can pick and choose from the elite ranks who they want to lead their program? WOW.
Not many coaches will want to take the reigns of a program that can go 5-5 on a good year.
Oh I don't know, mediocrity didn't stop Monticello from hiring a proven coach.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 17, 2018, 09:29:43 am
Oh I don't know, mediocrity didn't stop Monticello from hiring a proven coach.
$$$ go a long way
Orange and Black spring ball scrimmage Friday if anyone is interested.
Quote from: Redlinebacker32 on May 22, 2018, 02:43:38 pm
Orange and Black spring ball scrimmage Friday if anyone is interested.
What time?
330 I believe
Post from earlier:
@ Mansfield (Mansfield, AR) Win 1
Paris (Paris, AR) Win 2
@ Danville (Danville, AR) 50/50 win
Elkins (Elkins, AR) * 50/50 win
@ Dardanelle (Dardanelle, AR) * Loss
Pottsville (Pottsville, AR) * Loss
Subiaco Academy (Subiaco, AR) * Win 3
@ Mena (Mena, AR) Loss
Ozark (Ozark, AR) * Loss
@ Dover (Dover, AR) * 50/50 win
So there is 3 wins and 3 50/50 games. 4 losses
A monkey could win the 3 games. Coach makes up the 50/50 games. Bear Bryant couldn't beat the other 4.
Man I was off a little so far. This is a train wreck!
So how bad is it at Waldron? I've heard that getting kids to come in during the summer and even during the year. Transportation seems to be a problem? Is this still true. I've seen there stadium and it's pretty nice. Just wondering why they have been traditionally, low achieving?