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House Bill 1474
« on: February 13, 2017, 02:53:04 pm »
House Bill 1474 would authorize home-schooled students to participate in interscholastic activities of public schools of a district in which the student does not reside.

This is just a proposed law.  It has not been approved, and is still in the form of a bill.

This is a very bad bill.  If home-schoolers can choose which team to play for, why can't everybody?  If I live in Russellville and want my children to play for Morrilton, I have the choice to seek a legal transfer (which has specific criteria I will have to follow before my child could participate in a district outside of my residential school district) or I could move.  The home schooler should have to follow the same rules.

I'm not opposed to home schoolers participating in interscholastic activities, but you can't treat these children differently when it comes to interscholastic competition. 

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 04:59:30 pm »
Ditto

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 05:45:19 pm »
If a parent chooses to take their child out of a public school to home school then that child has almost no right to play for that public school in my opinion even if they are paying taxes in that district. 

It would be unfair. How would you determine if a student is eligible?  The kids that attending the public school are being graded by teachers while the home schooled students are be graded by their parents.  Just not fair at all. I thought some home schoolers had their own little groups they could play in. 

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 05:49:57 pm »
If a parent chooses to take their child out of a public school to home school then that child has almost no right to play for that public school in my opinion even if they are paying taxes in that district. 

It would be unfair. How would you determine if a student is eligible?  The kids that attending the public school are being graded by teachers while the home schooled students are be graded by their parents.  Just not fair at all. I thought some home schoolers had their own little groups they could play in. 

Some do in the "Metro" areas...the Ft Smith Homeshool Patriots have played in a couple tournaments with public schools this year...

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 11:03:55 pm »
Home schoolers shouldn't be allowed to play.they chose home school they gave up the right to play sports in a public school if you wanna play then go to a public or private school

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 09:19:17 am »
If they are allowed to participate, it should be with the same rules/regs as everyone else.  They play for the district they reside in or apply for a legal transfer (which includes no extracurricular activities for a calendar year). 

I'm all for letting them participate, but can't get special treatment.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 02:07:46 pm »
I don't think they should be allowed to participate in public school activities. They chose not to be a part of the system and it should include everything a system has to offer. Allowing them to pick and choose is ludicrous

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 08:35:18 pm »
I don't think they should be allowed to participate in public school activities. They chose not to be a part of the system and it should include everything a system has to offer. Allowing them to pick and choose is ludicrous
agreed +1

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 10:44:26 pm »
Many homeschool groups have athletic teams.  If they do not offer the sport of your liking, enroll in a public (or private, even) school that does.  It's not like small school students that want to play soccer get to join the neighboring big school's soccer team.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 09:12:08 am »
I've got no problem with home-schooled students participating in extra-curricular activities as long as they are doing it at the school in the district that they live in.  Giving them the option to go wherever they want regardless of district lines is not right in my opinion.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 10:07:17 am »
Who sponsored the bill, they must need a player, lol?

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 10:25:45 am »
I say go for it.  However, MUST play in district they reside in.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 11:44:19 am »
I say go for it.  However, MUST play in district they reside in.

They already can, Jonesboro had a homeschool kid play basketball a few years ago.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 12:25:17 pm »
Can you imagine the recruiting that would go. 

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 01:02:10 pm »
I know Dewitt has a cheerleader who is home schooled but if I'm not mistaken she has to have a few hours each week of actual class time

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 03:21:31 pm »
I don't think they should be allowed to participate in public school activities. They chose not to be a part of the system and it should include everything a system has to offer. Allowing them to pick and choose is ludicrous

Get em Cuckoobird. I totally agree. The idea of picking what team they want to play for is a bad idea. Let's have Little Timmy get driven by mom to a great program for practice each day in the afternoon of a school that might be 40 miles away because they are good is a bad idea.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2017, 03:26:45 pm »
I don't think they should be allowed to participate in public school activities. They chose not to be a part of the system and it should include everything a system has to offer. Allowing them to pick and choose is ludicrous

Then it would be fair to exempt them from paying taxes that go to public schools?

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2017, 03:31:03 pm »
Why? We don't exempt people with no children from paying taxes. That may be your worst argument ever 7

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2017, 03:32:29 pm »
Quote from: sevenof400 linktopic=150993.msg3455810#msg3455810 date=1487194005
Then it would be fair to exempt them from paying taxes that go to public schools?

If you live in the wrong place those property taxes can be a hefty price to pay...... Luckily, not so much where I am at and the small property. But, there are some people paying crazy amounts in property taxes out there. It is a good thing, but just definitely can be a lot for sure.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 03:34:31 pm »
Why? We don't exempt people with no children from paying taxes. That may be your worst argument ever 7

That actually is a fair point there... It really hasn't crossed my mind that way before but makes sense. Not saying I agree and I know you don't want that either, but that is a pretty good point you just made.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 04:48:56 pm »
Then it would be fair to exempt them from paying taxes that go to public schools?

If a public school student chooses to transfer to a school in another district, their parents still pay taxes in the district in which they live/own property.  Not a good argument.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 10:19:48 pm »
So, if this bill were to become law, and I had a son who lived in district X but I wanted him to play sports in district Y - If he were ineligible (by residence rules) in district Y, all I'd have to do was pull him from district X, "home school" him, then "choose" to play sports in district Y?

That's a tremendous loophole. And it's nuts.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2017, 08:14:08 am »
So, if this bill were to become law, and I had a son who lived in district X but I wanted him to play sports in district Y - If he were ineligible (by residence rules) in district Y, all I'd have to do was pull him from district X, "home school" him, then "choose" to play sports in district Y?

That's a tremendous loophole. And it's nuts.

There's already a criteria for meeting the home school requirement to play sports, you can't simply pull them out and play.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2017, 08:50:32 am »
How would this play into numbers for classification? do they add 10, 25 per home school kid on the team? that would keep the hypothetical 2a school from picking up lets say 3-4 players that are home schooled and make a hypothetical run in the playoffs to the state championship game, only to get beat of course, because one of those kids is the best athlete in that classification....

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2017, 07:24:24 pm »
While not taking a position for or against all this, I think it should be noted that the home school child's parents do have to pay all the expenses involved in that child playing the sport.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2017, 03:03:03 pm »
I talked with a legislator and somebody from the AAEA.  This bill basically gives home school athletes the same right as public school students who choose to transfer out of district.  They  have to sit a year, but are allowed to play on JV teams during the sit time.  Not sure if it exactly matches the private rule of having to sit a year no matter what if transferring after 7th grade.  Public school students have to sit a year if they transfer after 10th grade starts.

Might not be that bad of a bill after all.  Keeps things the same as those not homeschooling, basically.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2017, 05:43:13 pm »
I talked with a legislator and somebody from the AAEA.  This bill basically gives home school athletes the same right as public school students who choose to transfer out of district.  They  have to sit a year, but are allowed to play on JV teams during the sit time.  Not sure if it exactly matches the private rule of having to sit a year no matter what if transferring after 7th grade.  Public school students have to sit a year if they transfer after 10th grade starts.

Might not be that bad of a bill after all.  Keeps things the same as those not homeschooling, basically.

What you described is not the same whatsoever as kids that transfer to another school. Kids that transfer actually sit in a classroom with their peers for 7 hours a day. A home schooler will just show up at 2 pm everyday. That is not the same at all. The transfer student actually physically goes to the school they transfer too.

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2017, 06:44:03 am »
+1 BB

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2017, 12:06:55 am »
What you described is not the same whatsoever as kids that transfer to another school. Kids that transfer actually sit in a classroom with their peers for 7 hours a day. A home schooler will just show up at 2 pm everyday. That is not the same at all. The transfer student actually physically goes to the school they transfer too.
exactly home schoolers should forget about sports if they don't want to participate in class with their peers

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2017, 08:57:56 am »
exactly home schoolers should forget about sports if they don't want to participate in class with their peers

Why?  These families are paying tax dollars, they should have the ability to use the resources their tax dollars fund.     

The sentiment you expressed is one of the many sentiments that are without merit when it comes to this topic and yes, it really irritates me to no end.  Have you been in a classroom lately?  I am there every day and I can see the rot (and justification) for many families to choose home schooling. Feckless administrations who salivate like Pavlovian canines when you mention money tie the hands of teachers in dealing with children who bring nothing but disruption to the classroom.  In allowing far too many kids to remain in the classroom (when they should be expelled or sent to an alternative school), a caustic atmosphere has been created in the classroom (and our schools) - mostly from the desire to not lose a few dollars of state funding.   

Those families choosing home schooling who are doing so to provide a better education for their children AND because school districts cannot and will not instill discipline in their students are making a noble choice.
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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2017, 09:23:30 am »
Why?  These families are paying tax dollars, they should have the ability to use the resources their tax dollars fund.     

The sentiment you expressed is one of the many sentiments that are without merit when it comes to this topic and yes, it really irritates me to no end.  Have you been in a classroom lately?  I am there every day and I can see the rot (and justification) for many families to choose home schooling. Feckless administrations who salivate like Pavlovian canines when you mention money tie the hands of teachers in dealing with children who bring nothing but disruption to the classroom.  In allowing far too many kids to remain in the classroom (when they should be expelled or sent to an alternative school), a caustic atmosphere has been created in the classroom (and our schools) - mostly from the desire to not lose a few dollars of state funding.   

Those families choosing home schooling who are doing so to provide a better education for their children AND because school districts cannot and will not instill discipline in their students are making a noble choice.

My only connection to schools these days is watching high school sports and volunteer work at quiz bowl tournaments..... I don't disagree with home school kids being able to participate in sports, but it should have to be within the school district they live. What would be stopping a star athlete at, say vilonia, withdrawing from his school to home school, and transfer to Greenbrier without moving? I may have misunderstood something on this but it sounds like that's the intent of this bill....Let home school kids play whereever they choose...

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Re: House Bill 1474
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2017, 10:27:01 pm »
Why?  These families are paying tax dollars, they should have the ability to use the resources their tax dollars fund.     

The sentiment you expressed is one of the many sentiments that are without merit when it comes to this topic and yes, it really irritates me to no end.  Have you been in a classroom lately?  I am there every day and I can see the rot (and justification) for many families to choose home schooling. Feckless administrations who salivate like Pavlovian canines when you mention money tie the hands of teachers in dealing with children who bring nothing but disruption to the classroom.  In allowing far too many kids to remain in the classroom (when they should be expelled or sent to an alternative school), a caustic atmosphere has been created in the classroom (and our schools) - mostly from the desire to not lose a few dollars of state funding.   

Those families choosing home schooling who are doing so to provide a better education for their children AND because school districts cannot and will not instill discipline in their students are making a noble choice.
I know how bad the classrooms are.All I'm saying is if the kids don't sit in the classroom they shouldn't get to play sports with the kids who do have to tolerate it just my opinion

 

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