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Title: Fayetteville Open (filled - Billy Dawson)
Post by: Brian G on January 04, 2017, 06:46:37 pm
https://twitter.com/billhaisten/status/816805481020882944
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: jking7 on January 04, 2017, 06:59:15 pm
Well can't say I saw this coming..
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Post by: AllStarSportsFan on January 04, 2017, 07:00:57 pm
Jeff Holt at Russellville is now in charge of testing or something like that.  He always liked NWA.
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Post by: Wonderdog on January 04, 2017, 07:15:33 pm
1 year, 1 championship, and gone? Owasso High must be a nice job.
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Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 04, 2017, 07:39:02 pm
Well the talent level in Fayetteville really drops off after this senior class. I don't mean a little, I mean off the side of a cliff. So can't blame him at all for getting an opportunity to get closer to family. Whoever gets the FV job will have their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Razorback Red on January 04, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Makes sense for Blankenship, at his age being close to grandkids is important.  Owasso is a nice job, but so it Fville.  I think this was about family.

As for FHS, maybe a slight drop off in talent, but still the best job in Arkansas and should win a title at least every 3 years. 

I'm guessing Z Clark will be a hot topic, but I would go after someone more proven.  Jamie Mitchell would be my top pick, and I would also look at Rick Jones and KKelley (about time for him to test his system at a large public school).  I also think a dark horse should be BPratt from West.  His system fits FHS perfectly and he worked wonders in 1 year at a new HS. 

At least this gives us something to talk about during the offseason. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sevenof400 on January 04, 2017, 08:00:59 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on January 04, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Makes sense for Blankenship, at his age being close to grandkids is important.  Owasso is a nice job, but so it Fville.  I think this was about family.

Is it possible he is retiring from Arkansas (drawing teacher retirement) and crossing the border to add to his income for a few years? 

Note for those who may not be aware: this is a common practice.   
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: beach bum on January 04, 2017, 08:11:08 pm
I knew he wouldn't be here long.... When something doesn't make a whole lot of sense it usually doesn't last long. Fayetteville should take the coach that sits about 1/2 mile to the north. They will know they will finish 7-5 that way every year.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 04, 2017, 08:22:05 pm
Quote from: sevenof400 on January 04, 2017, 08:00:59 pm
Is it possible he is retiring from Arkansas (drawing teacher retirement) and crossing the border to add to his income for a few years? 

Note for those who may not be aware: this is a common practice.   

He was originally from Oklahoma though? (note: I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not)
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 09:08:22 pm
Quote from: sevenof400 on January 04, 2017, 08:00:59 pm
Is it possible he is retiring from Arkansas (drawing teacher retirement) and crossing the border to add to his income for a few years? 

Note for those who may not be aware: this is a common practice.

Are you fully vested in the ATRS in 6 months, wasn't he hired in the summer after Patton did his thing?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sportsguy80 on January 04, 2017, 09:14:30 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on January 04, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Makes sense for Blankenship, at his age being close to grandkids is important.  Owasso is a nice job, but so it Fville.  I think this was about family.

As for FHS, maybe a slight drop off in talent, but still the best job in Arkansas and should win a title at least every 3 years. 

I'm guessing Z Clark will be a hot topic, but I would go after someone more proven.  Jamie Mitchell would be my top pick, and I would also look at Rick Jones and KKelley (about time for him to test his system at a large public school).  I also think a dark horse should be BPratt from West.  His system fits FHS perfectly and he worked wonders in 1 year at a new HS. 

At least this gives us something to talk about during the offseason.
Yup
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 04, 2017, 10:46:22 pm
DixiePrep is reporting that Rick Jones takes a cut in pay to take over a new set of Bulldogs. Reportedly, he is gonna try to "Keep Fayetteville Funky" AND look good in Lavender.
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Post by: DogsandHogs on January 05, 2017, 01:17:56 am
Oh Bait! ;)
Can't blame Blankenship for wanting to be closer to home. Will be interesting to see who applies.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Oldbadger on January 05, 2017, 08:29:40 am
Arkansas requires three years to fully vest in retirement.  If he hasn't worked in Arkansas before I doubt that was his motive.  As a grandfather,  not much is as important as family and grandkids.  I really believe his reasons were exactly what he says.  Arkansas, however, pays, overall, a much better salary than Oklahoma, so his initial motive could have been to work until retirement here, then move back. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Beaver Fever on January 05, 2017, 08:48:30 am
Did he not realize Fayetteville wasn't close to home when he took it?
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Post by: southarkdaddy on January 05, 2017, 08:51:34 am
Houston Nutt
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Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 09:23:09 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 09:08:22 pm
Are you fully vested in the ATRS in 6 months, wasn't he hired in the summer after Patton did his thing?
If his little stint at Fayetteville gets him benefits from the ATRS then that system is in big, big trouble.  It's bad enough you have teachers retiring with full benefits at 52 years old.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Maclin on your girl on January 05, 2017, 10:43:00 am
RV coach would be a great hire.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 05, 2017, 10:47:28 am
Who's RV..?
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Post by: Maclin on your girl on January 05, 2017, 10:55:26 am
Quote from: Baitshop on January 05, 2017, 10:47:28 am
Who's RV..?
Russellville
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: rzrbacks123 on January 05, 2017, 11:23:21 am
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 09:23:09 am
If his little stint at Fayetteville gets him benefits from the ATRS then that system is in big, big trouble.  It's bad enough you have teachers retiring with full benefits at 52 years old.
Why is that such a bad thing for him or the educators that are allowed to retire?  I think most people believe that educators play a huge role in the development of our state's future.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Idoknow on January 05, 2017, 11:45:00 am
Quote from: Oldbadger on January 05, 2017, 08:29:40 am
Arkansas requires three years to fully vest in retirement.  If he hasn't worked in Arkansas before I doubt that was his motive.  As a grandfather,  not much is as important as family and grandkids.  I really believe his reasons were exactly what he says.  Arkansas, however, pays, overall, a much better salary than Oklahoma, so his initial motive could have been to work until retirement here, then move back.
ATRS requires 5 yrs. and age of 60 to receive any retirement benefits.It used to be 10yrs. and the retirement pay would be very minimal after 5 yrs.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 05, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Quote from: Baitshop on January 05, 2017, 10:47:28 am
Who's RV..?

Guy down by the river, not really an RV, more like a trailer.........
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 05, 2017, 11:57:01 am
Quote from: Maclin on your girl on January 05, 2017, 10:43:00 am
RV coach would be a great hire.

agree 100%
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Oldbadger on January 05, 2017, 12:30:47 pm
It does take five years to fully vest in ATRS.  Been awhile since  I retired! Lol
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 05, 2017, 12:44:55 pm
Going to be a fun hire.  With the sudden change last Spring and Blankenship's short tenure, this will be FHS's 3rd HC in 9 months.

Lot's of time to decide though.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 01:19:55 pm
Quote from: rzrbacks123 on January 05, 2017, 11:23:21 am
Why is that such a bad thing for him or the educators that are allowed to retire?  I think most people believe that educators play a huge role in the development of our state's future.
A good retirement package is great.  A retirement system that allows people to retire at 52 with full benefits that could run 30-40 years is unsustainable.  And a year working in the state shouldn't get you any kind of vesting.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 01:21:07 pm
Quote from: Idoknow on January 05, 2017, 11:45:00 am
ATRS requires 5 yrs. and age of 60 to receive any retirement benefits.It used to be 10yrs. and the retirement pay would be very minimal after 5 yrs.
I'm pretty sure 30 years of continuous service in state gets full benefits.  Which means someone who went to work in Arkansas at 22 can retire at 52.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 05, 2017, 01:34:18 pm
Clark will certainly be in the discussion. Dawson as well. Cannot see Pratt leaving BVW. He's put a lot of work in there and knows he has a chance to be better than FV within the next couple of years. I heard last year there was a strong push for an internal hire at FV after Patton left.

There won't be a shortage of qualified applicants that's for sure. Will be interesting to see how long it takes to make a decision.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Dr. Defense on January 05, 2017, 01:34:42 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 01:21:07 pm
I'm pretty sure 30 years of continuous service in state gets full benefits.  Which means someone who went to work in Arkansas at 22 can retire at 52.

28 years is considered full retirement working for the state actually so most if they go to work at 22 could retire at 50 but most arent willing/able to retire that early
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: purpleswag on January 05, 2017, 01:38:00 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 01:19:55 pm
A good retirement package is great.  A retirement system that allows people to retire at 52 with full benefits that could run 30-40 years is unsustainable.  And a year working in the state shouldn't get you any kind of vesting.

Works for the police and firemen
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: OLDSCHOOL82 on January 05, 2017, 01:46:28 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 01:19:55 pm
A good retirement package is great.  A retirement system that allows people to retire at 52 with full benefits that could run 30-40 years is unsustainable.  And a year working in the state shouldn't get you any kind of vesting.

As long as the assets are managed correctly its all good.  Its all public knowledge and you can go online and see what they invest the assets in to create the return needed to supply the income payments.  Currently it works much better than social security!!!!! Now, if there is any mis management of the monies then look out!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: DogsandHogs on January 05, 2017, 03:05:45 pm
Quote from: Pat Swilling on January 05, 2017, 11:57:01 am

Agreed.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 03:47:27 pm
Quote from: OLDSCHOOL82 on January 05, 2017, 01:46:28 pm
As long as the assets are managed correctly its all good.  Its all public knowledge and you can go online and see what they invest the assets in to create the return needed to supply the income payments.  Currently it works much better than social security!!!!! Now, if there is any mis management of the monies then look out!
You guys aren't keeping up with the stories about state and municipal retirement funds going broke are you?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: AirWarren on January 05, 2017, 04:25:39 pm
Patton back to Fay?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sevenof400 on January 05, 2017, 04:41:27 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 09:23:09 am
If his little stint at Fayetteville gets him benefits from the ATRS then that system is in big, big trouble.  It's bad enough you have teachers retiring with full benefits at 52 years old.

If they have worked the requisite number of years, why is this a problem?  They've earned it. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 05, 2017, 04:44:18 pm
Quote from: sevenof400 on January 05, 2017, 04:41:27 pm
If they have worked the requisite number of years, why is this a problem?  They've earned it. 

One of my favorite teachers retired this past year at 52 or 53 for health reasons and actually felt bad about doing it. ...
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: beach bum on January 05, 2017, 04:56:38 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 09:23:09 am
If his little stint at Fayetteville gets him benefits from the ATRS then that system is in big, big trouble.  It's bad enough you have teachers retiring with full benefits at 52 years old.

Jealousy? I am fine with that..... Teachers in this country aren't paid even close what other economically powerful nations pay their educators. Education is the back bone of any society looking forward to be strong for the future. There are plenty of other examples of wasteful spending with our taxes, but education is not an area where we should ever be complaining about pumping money in to. I want talented people leading our children on a daily basis and these benefits are a way to attract qualified people when the pay isn't up to par.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: beach bum on January 05, 2017, 04:58:53 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 05, 2017, 04:25:39 pm
Patton back to Fay?

Haha, turn the world upside down and go one further. Bring in Bobby P at the same time right up the street.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Razorback Red on January 05, 2017, 06:12:23 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 05, 2017, 01:34:18 pm
Clark will certainly be in the discussion. Dawson as well. Cannot see Pratt leaving BVW. He's put a lot of work in there and knows he has a chance to be better than FV within the next couple of years. I heard last year there was a strong push for an internal hire at FV after Patton left.

There won't be a shortage of qualified applicants that's for sure. Will be interesting to see how long it takes to make a decision.

I like your optimism regarding BWHS, but prob should put the brakes on a bit.  Yes, they will be better next year and prob even better the following year, but gonna take some time to get to the top of the conf. 

I do agree that FHS will have a qualified list of candidates to choose from. 

Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: bbishop on January 05, 2017, 09:08:09 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 05, 2017, 04:44:18 pm
One of my favorite teachers retired this past year at 52 or 53 for health reasons and actually felt bad about doing it. ...
i use to work for ATRS.  when i left in 2012 the rules were:
5 yrs to vest
10 for full retirement
full retirement at 60 yrs of age or 28 yrs of service.

there is disability retirement that must be presented to a medical board.

all he could get from the system is what he paid in.

the system is very stable (i still see updates from time to time.  just follow the director in twitter) 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: way2go on January 05, 2017, 10:09:53 pm
The teacher retirement system is very stable and well run, which is why the state employees retirement and legislature are always trying to get their hands on it. They're always wanting to "merge."
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 05, 2017, 10:12:40 pm
Oh man, I would love to see Kevin Kelly in Fayetteville...that would be epic... ;D
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Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 05, 2017, 10:39:05 pm
Less than a year in the job and moving back to OK?  Family was that important then why come?  More to that I think.   Lots of possibles in the mix.  I'd think Dawson would be high on anybodies list.  Success everywhere he has been and always a quick turnaround.  Clark, not proven in his short time at SD.  Pratt, really after one year?  I don't think that will happen. Kelly, not likely to leave PA, Jones, maybe but he would have to implement an entirely different system that takes a little time. May be happy to stay where he is.  Mitchell maybe, good success last season but he did lose badly to FV in the championship and most guys don't hire people they beat.  Will be interesting to see.  Any chance they go with a staff member.  Oh, and I doubt Blankenship has any retirement from AR.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 06, 2017, 09:25:00 am
My prediction is:

Benji Mahan
Billy Dawson
Zak Clark
Jamie Mitchell - (Longshot)
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 06, 2017, 09:40:56 am
BG have you heard anything as far as a timeline for hiring someone?
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Post by: nsuqb10 on January 06, 2017, 09:59:57 am
On staff hire
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: OLDSCHOOL82 on January 06, 2017, 11:52:37 am
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 05, 2017, 03:47:27 pm
You guys aren't keeping up with the stories about state and municipal retirement funds going broke are you?

Very much so actually.  It all has to do with mismanagement.  That's why I said if the monies are managed correctly.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 06, 2017, 01:42:15 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 06, 2017, 09:40:56 am
BG have you heard anything as far as a timeline for hiring someone?
Nope.

I don't think there is an urgency though.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 06, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
Quote from: OLDSCHOOL82 on January 06, 2017, 11:52:37 am
Very much so actually.  It all has to do with mismanagement.  That's why I said if the monies are managed correctly.
I apologize I took this thread way off track with the off hand comment about the retirement system.  I will leave it at this.  The problem we face with retirement systems, all the way from Social Security to the Arkansas Teacher Retirement System, is not "management".  It's too many retirees, who are living a lot longer, and who have been promised very generous retirement benefits,  in comparison to the # of people still working. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 06, 2017, 02:57:34 pm
Quote from: Pat Swilling on January 06, 2017, 09:25:00 am
My prediction is:

Benji Mahan
Billy Dawson
Zak Clark
Jamie Mitchell - (Longshot)

Wasn't Mahan the interim while they hired last year?  Dawson would be a good pick.  I think Clark may not have enough HC experience yet to get the job but he was at Fayetteville  as an assistant.  The Mitchell guy would be ok I think but I think Mahan maybe deserves a good look.  Loyalty should count and he has HC experience I think.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 06, 2017, 06:58:52 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 06, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
I apologize I took this thread way off track with the off hand comment about the retirement system.  I will leave it at this.  The problem we face with retirement systems, all the way from Social Security to the Arkansas Teacher Retirement System, is not "management".  It's too many retirees, who are living a lot longer, and who have been promised very generous retirement benefits,  in comparison to the # of people still working. 

I think that the culprit with Social Security is obviously the BILLIONS of dollars that Congress has "borrowed" over the years that they will never pay back. Social Security would have no solvency issues today if it had not been dipped into more than the dipped cone station at the Dairy Queen over the past 40+ years.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 06, 2017, 07:01:59 pm
Fayetteville should have a nice list left over from last year of finalist that did not get selected.  They ought to be able to fill the position quickly unless they start from scratch.  I think the first thing to do is decide if there is someone on the staff that qualifies and would have the respect and loyalty of the remainder of the staff.  If that is the case, and I suspect it is, then they need to know if that's truly the way they want to go or if they must hire a Head Coach with an impressive record. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Razorback Red on January 06, 2017, 09:16:06 pm
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't even consider a current staffer.  Too big a job for a first time HC.  This is the top program in the state that has won multiple state titles in the past several years.  It shouldn't be difficult to find a proven HC, but then again, I'm not sure if FHS will pay what it will require.  If they are willing to pay $100K, then they can get a really, really solid HC to keep on winning titles. 

I know they only had Coach Blankenship for 1 season, but that's the type of hire they need again. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 06, 2017, 09:35:02 pm
Fayetteville has several former HC's on staff.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Razorback Red on January 06, 2017, 10:05:46 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 06, 2017, 09:35:02 pm
Fayetteville has several former HC's on staff.

Thanks BG.  I would still pick a current HC from another big-time program over a current staffer. 

You and I both know it's not easy running any major program, lots of expectations to win now. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Made on January 07, 2017, 02:10:32 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on January 06, 2017, 10:05:46 pm
Thanks BG.  I would still pick a current HC from another big-time program over a current staffer. 

You and I both know it's not easy running any major program, lots of expectations to win now. 
Just curious what type of loyalty that inspires in the assistant coaches, if they knew no matter how long they worked for the program they would never be promoted to head honcho....better to leave the program, become established and hope the job comes open someday, if that is indeed the job they aspire to.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 07, 2017, 08:35:50 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on January 04, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Makes sense for Blankenship, at his age being close to grandkids is important.  Owasso is a nice job, but so it Fville.  I think this was about family.

As for FHS, maybe a slight drop off in talent, but still the best job in Arkansas and should win a title at least every 3 years. 

I'm guessing Z Clark will be a hot topic, but I would go after someone more proven.  Jamie Mitchell would be my top pick, and I would also look at Rick Jones and KKelley (about time for him to test his system at a large public school).  I also think a dark horse should be BPratt from West.  His system fits FHS perfectly and he worked wonders in 1 year at a new HS. 

At least this gives us something to talk about during the offseason.

Pratt is polar opposite of b blannkinship
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 07, 2017, 08:39:03 am
I think there are a couple of guys who whould do well at FHS.  They know the program.  This is a loaded deck job.  Whoever they hire will win buncha games.  If they do hire outside the district I hope they keep this job in state.  Lotta great Ark Coaches would like this one.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 07, 2017, 08:46:44 am
Quote from: rzrbacks123 on January 05, 2017, 11:23:21 am
Why is that such a bad thing for him or the educators that are allowed to retire?  I think most people believe that educators play a huge role in the development of our state's future.

Guys, he won't be able to retire from Arkansas any time soon.  And the big east side schools in Oklahoma DO throw money around like it's going out of style for their head coaches, regular teachers no.  And don't forget , he doesn't need the money.  He just finished a Nike deal, as a Nike coach.  And Tulsa university had to buy out the rest of his contract when he was fired.  So there is still money coming in for doing nothing if he wants.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sevenof400 on January 07, 2017, 10:58:22 am
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 06, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
I apologize I took this thread way off track with the off hand comment about the retirement system.  I will leave it at this.  The problem we face with retirement systems, all the way from Social Security to the Arkansas Teacher Retirement System, is not "management".  It's too many retirees, who are living a lot longer, and who have been promised very generous retirement benefits,  in comparison to the # of people still working.

How unthoughtful of them....

Now in all seriousness, a recent newsletter from ATRS made this observation:
Quote....The actuaries recently gave the ATRS Board the actuarial report on ATRS for the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2016. The report was positive. ATRS now has an amortization period to pay off its unfunded liabilities of 29 years. This is the shortest the amortization period has been in eight (8) years. The ATRS funded percentage is 81%, another strong number. The ATRS unfunded liabilities dropped by about $129 million dollars from the previous fiscal year....

Although one should always take a report from any source about itself with a huge grain of salt, I'm hoping the actuaries are doing their due diligence because I am not far from starting to draw retirement..
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 07, 2017, 11:20:15 am
Quote from: sevenof400 on January 07, 2017, 10:58:22 am
How unthoughtful of them....

Now in all seriousness, a recent newsletter from ATRS made this observation:
Although one should always take a report from any source about itself with a huge grain of salt, I'm hoping the actuaries are doing their due diligence because I am not far from starting to draw retirement..

As long as they pay you off, it's good, right?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 07, 2017, 09:18:49 pm
Arkansas teacher retirement is generally seen as one of the best in the U.S, both in the amount it yields to its members at retirement and the fiscal strength of the system itself.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 07, 2017, 09:44:15 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on January 06, 2017, 09:16:06 pm
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't even consider a current staffer.  Too big a job for a first time HC.  This is the top program in the state that has won multiple state titles in the past several years.  It shouldn't be difficult to find a proven HC, but then again, I'm not sure if FHS will pay what it will require.  If they are willing to pay $100K, then they can get a really, really solid HC to keep on winning titles. 

I know they only had Coach Blankenship for 1 season, but that's the type of hire they need again. 
Quote from: Made on January 07, 2017, 02:10:32 am
Just curious what type of loyalty that inspires in the assistant coaches, if they knew no matter how long they worked for the program they would never be promoted to head honcho....better to leave the program, become established and hope the job comes open someday, if that is indeed the job they aspire to.

It seems to me that most of the schools in arkansas hire from outside when filling their coaching vacancies.  I agree that this hiring practice doesn't encourage your staff to stay put.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: GotInfo? on January 09, 2017, 09:14:40 am
Billy Dawson is who I am hearing.  You got to beleive that the decision makers at Fayetteville will try and make another run at Rick Jones and Scott Reed.  Could see Kevin Kelly getting a call too, but I don't see him leaving PA except for a D1 job.  And frankly, why would he. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: STUNNA on January 09, 2017, 02:05:45 pm
If im Fayetteville... Im throwing my money at 6 in state guys... Kelley, Jones, Hembree, Dawson, Volarich, and Bolding. But all besides Dawson are at powerhouse schools.. Dawson i think would be the easiest to pry away.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 09, 2017, 05:31:47 pm
Quote from: GotInfo? on January 09, 2017, 09:14:40 am
Billy Dawson is who I am hearing.  You got to beleive that the decision makers at Fayetteville will try and make another run at Rick Jones and Scott Reed.  Could see Kevin Kelly getting a call too, but I don't see him leaving PA except for a D1 job.  And frankly, why would he. 

Rick Jones is not in play, IMO. He would have to take a $20k cut in pay, teach a class, and would not have control over his players that play baseball. (Baseball is an club sport in Greenwood and you don't get your kids in the spring until CRJ gets through with them) I would venture to guess that Rick Jones will only coach 3 or 4 more years anyway.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sevenof400 on January 09, 2017, 05:40:53 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on January 09, 2017, 05:31:47 pm
Rick Jones is not in play, IMO. He would have to take a $20k cut in pay, teach a class, and would not have control over his players that play baseball. (Baseball is an club sport in Greenwood and you don't get your kids in the spring until CRJ gets through with them) I would venture to guess that Rick Jones will only coach 3 or 4 more years anyway.

Baitshop,

What do you mean by this?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 09, 2017, 06:51:02 pm
I do not believe that Rick Jones would make himself available as a candidate for the Fayetteville job.

Less money and a lack of control over players and schedule.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: PA Dad on January 09, 2017, 08:04:44 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on January 09, 2017, 06:51:02 pm
I do not believe that Rick Jones would make himself available as a candidate for the Fayetteville job.

Less money and a lack of control over players and schedule.

I don't think Kelley is in play for the same reasons.  He would, I think, demand complete control and not many schools are willing to grant that.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 09, 2017, 09:21:13 pm
That control is a big factor.  Most schools are not going to allow that, when its spring its spring and they want to see kids in multi-sports.  In a few places that attitude is a killer for football.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 09, 2017, 11:02:15 pm
I'm against that kind of control.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 09, 2017, 11:54:58 pm
Well tell that to those schools that allow some coaches to have it. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 10, 2017, 07:54:42 am
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on January 09, 2017, 11:54:58 pm
Well tell that to those schools that allow some coaches to have it. 
I'll tell anyone that wants to hear it.

They do it but I don't have to agree.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: airitout on January 10, 2017, 09:04:06 am
There is a problem with the number of players doing other sports in a school the size of Fayetteville?  this isn't 2 or 3 A ball.  how many football players play basketball and baseball?  How many players do each of those sports even carry?  i'm sure whomever gets the job will have plenty of control over his players, and probably won't care if the few who do play other sports do that, too.  the kids that play baseball for example are only hurting themselves some in that their back ups are getting some offseason reps they are not.  if your a great enough athlete to excel at multiple sports, i'm sure you will be just fine and the coach will have enough control. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: The Green Arrow on January 10, 2017, 09:16:47 am
2A through 7A, a coach trying to control his players and keep them from playing other sports is just dumb IMO. A majority of the top athletes at each school would excel and contribute at some other sport whether it be baseball, basketball, soccer, track, what have you.  99% of college coaches America, for any sport, will tell you that they love to see their recruits play other sports. For one, it lets a kid enhance athletic skills that doing one sport might miss out on. Secondly, these kids might play one sport in college and one or two may may make a professional sports roster, but most of these kids will grow up to be coaches, bankers, car salesman and other ordinary people, and will enjoy the fact that they made the most of their time in high school. It sickens me when I hear of coaches that try to talk a kid out of playing another sport.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Bradshaw on January 10, 2017, 10:29:43 am
I have no problem with programs having kids go to offseason before heading out to spring sport practice.  It makes them better athletes for all sports. I have a huge problem with a coach telling kids they can't play another sport! Most situations where the football coach gets them first are set up by the administration with the understanding that the kids are allowed or even encouraged to play other sports.
One thing to keep in mind in this situation: Not very many baseball, track, soccer, etc. coaches are fired for not winning enough games. However, there is pressure on head football coaches to win. This may not be the right thing but it is reality in today's world.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 10, 2017, 10:57:28 am
So, if coaches are fired for poor records, what are we telling the coaches that coach anything and everything but football about why they can't have access to the best athletes in their school? Is it just football coaches that have a right to the best athletes in their school?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: The Green Arrow on January 10, 2017, 12:25:28 pm
Coaches in high school are very, very rarely fired for not winning. It's not easy to do from a legal standpoint.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 12:31:29 pm
What schools/coaches tell their athletes they can only play a particular sport? Now, as was mentioned above, off season as long as it doesn't interfere with a spring sport isn't a problem.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: purpleswag on January 10, 2017, 12:42:31 pm
Man, this thread jumped the tracks
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Bradshaw on January 10, 2017, 12:47:52 pm
I certainly am not saying we should fire high school coaches based on their record in any sport. I do believe their record should be part of their evaluation but not the only thing. You are kidding yourself though if you say there is the same pressure to win on a baseball coach as there is on a football coach at most schools. While a school can't come right out and say "we are moving Coach ______ to 7th grade PE because he lost too many games", it certainly happens for that very reason.  On the flip side, these coaches are usually given more resources to win as well.  In most schools, the head coaches in the spring sports are often assistants in football or basketball also.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Made on January 10, 2017, 01:26:20 pm
Quote from: Bradshaw on January 10, 2017, 12:47:52 pm
"we are moving Coach ______ to 7th grade PE because he lost too many games",

"we are moving Coach ______ to 7th grade PE because we want to go in a different direction" ;)
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 10, 2017, 02:03:56 pm
I don't think Jones has ever told a kid he "can't" play baseball but he certainly doesn't make it easy and at times has made the kids life miserable who tried to do it.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Marblehog on January 10, 2017, 02:17:38 pm
Its not true about playing other sports is better when you are talking about basketball.  How many D1 basketball players from the state of Arkansas have played football in the last ten years?  Very hard to do in a sport like basketball that requires so much skill and gym time.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 10, 2017, 02:03:56 pm
I don't think Jones has ever told a kid he "can't" play baseball but he certainly doesn't make it easy and at times has made the kids life miserable who tried to do it.

You think he is making Noland's life miserable?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Made on January 10, 2017, 02:38:39 pm
Quote from: Marblehog on January 10, 2017, 02:17:38 pm
Its not true about playing other sports is better when you are talking about basketball.  How many D1 basketball players from the state of Arkansas have played football in the last ten years?  Very hard to do in a sport like basketball that requires so much skill and gym time.
Sounds like a basketball coach.....if you are D1, then you're D1. Labron James was a 2 sport athlete, Charlie ward won the Heisman for goodness sakes. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 03:14:01 pm
Wow!  That got heated up quickly.  I would say that there are many coaches who lose their head coaching position because of a lack of winning, I certainly would say it is not uncommon.  Reassignment is pretty easy.  I would guess that students in most schools are encouraged to play more than one sport.  I know this is not the case everywhere nor with every coach.  My personal opinion would be can you help the team and improve as an athlete by doing this.  If not, I would hope that a student/athlete would remain in the off season program that he is most interested in or performs most proficiently in.  I think some kids just want to be on every team, maybe for the fun of it, or possibly to get out of the weight room if associated with football.  An athlete that can do it all, and contribute, should.  He/she should also make the committment of their personal time to work in the weight room or shot the basketball, or throw a baseball during the time away from other sports.   
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 10, 2017, 03:19:10 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
You think he is making Noland's life miserable?
Noland and the starting SS last year (who was a freshman) both started in football this fall. No issues between the 2 sports but they did have to put in their time for each one. Unfortunately in today's world, all sports are year round so kids who play multiple sports have do not get time off from a sport because it is not in season. They are expected to continue to get reps in some capacity during the off season.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 03:24:33 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 10, 2017, 03:19:10 pm
Noland and the starting SS last year (who was a freshman) both started in football this fall. No issues between the 2 sports but they did have to put in their time for each one. Unfortunately in today's world, all sports are year round so kids who play multiple sports have do not get time off from a sport because it is not in season. They are expected to continue to get reps in some capacity during the off season.

A kid who chooses to participate does so with the understanding that they will give the appropriate commitment to each and every sport and team on which he is a member.  When they elect to play an in-season sport every season, they miss a lot of skill, speed, strength training for the others. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 04:12:53 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 10, 2017, 03:19:10 pm
Noland and the starting SS last year (who was a freshman) both started in football this fall. No issues between the 2 sports but they did have to put in their time for each one. Unfortunately in today's world, all sports are year round so kids who play multiple sports have do not get time off from a sport because it is not in season. They are expected to continue to get reps in some capacity during the off season.

I've got no problem with that, Jonesboro's last two state championship teams in baseball had several starters who played both and started for both. However, the in-season sport takes priority as far as games and practices.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 10, 2017, 04:13:52 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
You think he is making Noland's life miserable?
Noland is the exception that proves the rule of Jones hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 04:22:59 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 04:12:53 pm
I've got no problem with that, Jonesboro's last two state championship teams in baseball had several starters who played both and started for both. However, the in-season sport takes priority as far as games and practices.

Does this mean they owe no commitment to doing off season weight training, which is a huge benefit particularly to football, but certainly in all sports.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 04:48:17 pm
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 04:22:59 pm
Does this mean they owe no commitment to doing off season weight training, which is a huge benefit particularly to football, but certainly in all sports.

No, they workout, but they don't lift or workout on game days, inter-squad scrimmages etc, or, I told mine not to, lol. You do realize they are practicing in another sport, that's in-season, and it is a little more important? If a kid is playing two sports and contributing in both, then they aren't the ones you need to worry about doing the "work".
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 07:25:18 pm
So, I want to know when and how you think these multi sport athletes work out for their second sport?  I've heard this debate over the years and it usually means not working out at all while they participate in a second or third sport.  The reasoning being that they are getting plenty of work in the "in season sport".  I don't buy that because of the lack of a strength and speed program for many of those sports which means football in particular takes a beating.  I have seen schools where everyone works out and then goes on to that second sport at an established time.  Cabot I know did this for years.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 08:00:03 pm
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 07:25:18 pm
So, I want to know when and how you think these multi sport athletes work out for their second sport?  I've heard this debate over the years and it usually means not working out at all while they participate in a second or third sport.  The reasoning being that they are getting plenty of work in the "in season sport".  I don't buy that because of the lack of a strength and speed program for many of those sports which means football in particular takes a beating.  I have seen schools where everyone works out and then goes on to that second sport at an established time.  Cabot I know did this for years.

Sounds like those you are familiar with have problems, it happens.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 08:35:41 pm
There is more than one way to skin a cat they say, but lack of off season training is a path to losing.  So again I ask for your suggestion as to how you would set this training up.  I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 08:52:42 pm
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 08:35:41 pm
There is more than one way to skin a cat they say, but lack of off season training is a path to losing.  So again I ask for your suggestion as to how you would set this training up.  I'm just curious.

I told you they did off-season lifts and workouts except on game days, or other important practices. They also had before school workouts for those who wished to do it, it wasn't mandatory, though. If a kid doesn't have the potential, which is like 97%, to play in college, what does it matter. If they are good enough to play two sports and contribute, then great for them, because it will soon be over.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 08:55:09 pm
Im not getting your point of view here.  You saying it doesn't matter if they don't do off season?  The goal is to be as good as you can and to contribute all you can.  I just don't think you can do that without training and in football that means weight room year round. IMO.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 09:15:37 pm
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 08:55:09 pm
Im not getting your point of view here.  You saying it doesn't matter if they don't do off season?  The goal is to be as good as you can and to contribute all you can.  I just don't think you can do that without training and in football that means weight room year round. IMO.

As you said, more than one way. My point is they are high school athletes, but mostly just kids. If they can play and contribute in more than one sport, good for them. How come you always read where these college coaches like multi-sport athletes?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 09:26:08 pm
College coaches are looking for athletes, and multi sport may mean talented athlete.  However, not many high schoolers go on to play any sport in college at any level.  So, why is that?  Are they not good enough, did they not prepare themselves to make it to the next level.  I know kids who fall into both categories.  Some who might have gone on to the next level but they lacked, size, speed, strength because they did not train, they played.  They did not grow their skills, increase their speed, build their bodies.   Unfortunately for those kids, there were some who did and the colleges take those.

I understand your view of let em play and enjoy HS, I just think if you want to be a winner, prepare to be a winner and thats a lot of work and a lot of commitment.  Not very many kids are just good enough to do it all and go on to the next level without the work.  For those teams that could be champions if every kid did the most they could to get there, those who did not buy in held them back. IMO!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 09:36:34 pm
Well, we've completely sidetracked this thread, but that's not unusual. I doubt the reason you didn't win the state championship was because there were multi-sport kids, but who knows?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 09:58:07 pm
You might be right, but you might not.  I'm looking at it from a be the best you can be point of view.  All the post I ever see on here about how you fix a program, win, win a championship, include dedication, commitment buying in to a vision, so I'm talking about real commitment and that means giving up personal time and making the sacrifice that being a committed multi sport athlete means.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Oldbadger on January 10, 2017, 11:00:40 pm
Which sport would not benefit from going to the weight room year round?  I keep hearing posters complaining about having to do off-season weight training and I can't think of a negative for that.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 11:46:17 pm
There is no negative for weight training.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 11, 2017, 09:45:00 am
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 09:58:07 pm
You might be right, but you might not.  I'm looking at it from a be the best you can be point of view.  All the post I ever see on here about how you fix a program, win, win a championship, include dedication, commitment buying in to a vision, so I'm talking about real commitment and that means giving up personal time and making the sacrifice that being a committed multi sport athlete means.

Good luck with that, lol.

http://www.espn.com/high-school/lacrosse/recruiting-road/story/_/id/7057666/coaches-recognize-competitiveness-players-play-multiple-sports
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 11, 2017, 10:07:08 am
Interesting viewpoints expressed here.  I think the pressure put on teams and coaches in particular to win drives the need for off season activity.  If players do not participate and that is seen as OK, then expectations for programs should be revisited. Coaches have it tough on both ends it seems.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 11, 2017, 10:44:48 am
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on January 11, 2017, 10:07:08 am
Interesting viewpoints expressed here.  I think the pressure put on teams and coaches in particular to win drives the need for off season activity.  If players do not participate and that is seen as OK, then expectations for programs should be revisited. Coaches have it tough on both ends it seems.

I think the players should participate in off season, I don't think that was ever questioned, I also think that kids that wish to play multiple sports be allowed. If they can't maintain there starting roles on either, then the next man up will get the opportunity, but denying a high school kid the chance to enjoy his high school years is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 11, 2017, 10:48:53 am
Quote from: ricepig on January 11, 2017, 10:44:48 am
I think the players should participate in off season, I don't think that was ever questioned, I also think that kids that wish to play multiple sports be allowed. If they can't maintain there starting roles on either, then the next man up will get the opportunity, but denying a high school kid the chance to enjoy his high school years is ridiculous.

Agree with that! I do see how some kids might try to neglect the hard and tedious job of off season training and that should be stressed to all. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: OLDSCHOOL82 on January 11, 2017, 10:51:21 am
I don't think denying kids a chance to be a multi sport athlete happens very often.  But I also agree, if you play football, offseason weights/speed training/conditioning is key.  It is also key in all other sports and it should be done, regardless of the season as it is good for health, good to set a healthy lifestyle routine, and will help the other sports.  All college/pro sports have insane off season programs.  It just takes some juggling with time.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 11, 2017, 11:31:32 am
The key concept is, dedication, commitment, sacrifice as the route to success.  I hear that's what athletics is supposed to teach?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 11, 2017, 03:32:38 pm
So was there any talk about who might be the next coach?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: TigerHawg on January 12, 2017, 03:17:08 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on January 10, 2017, 12:42:31 pm
Man, this thread jumped the tracks

+1
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: game on on January 12, 2017, 04:14:18 pm
any names yet?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 12, 2017, 07:20:44 pm
Couple of schools that are looking to replace 1st year HC's out of OK, Fayetteville and Lake Hamilton.  Do you think they will stay in state this go round?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 13, 2017, 04:22:38 pm
Thats kinda funny that two Oklahoma coaches bailed after less than a year. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: hogalum05 on January 13, 2017, 08:00:41 pm
Would they give Mahan a chance? Might have a lack of HC experience but certainly is no stranger to success. Gotten a lot of hardware throughout the years.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: DerekOxford on January 13, 2017, 09:16:24 pm
Quote from: hogalum05 on January 13, 2017, 08:00:41 pm
Would they give Mahan a chance? Might have a lack of HC experience but certainly is no stranger to success. Gotten a lot of hardware throughout the years.

His HC experience was at Mountain Home, where he had next to nothing talent-wise. At Fayetteville, talent is plentiful and you're the only one-school town in the area. They could do a lot worse than promoting Benji.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 14, 2017, 08:39:10 am
I hear interest is incredible.

I expect a sitting high school head coach with a winning resume or even college to be the leading candidates.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 14, 2017, 09:19:00 am
Quote from: B.G. on January 14, 2017, 08:39:10 am
I hear interest is incredible.

I expect a sitting high school head coach with a winning resume or even college to be the leading candidates.

Gus!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on January 15, 2017, 09:25:30 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 14, 2017, 09:19:00 am
Gus!
Nutts
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: R. A.™ on January 16, 2017, 08:31:27 am
has the list been made public yet?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 16, 2017, 07:49:50 pm
I hear they are going about this very carefully, the short term of the previous guy has them being cautious.  I'm sure they don't want another quick rehire.  Expect a proven coach.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 16, 2017, 09:49:59 pm
I think Blankenship is a proven coach. Guy made a decision for his family. I'm sure if they could get a hire like that in July, the list in January is out of this world. I am surprised that some media hasn't released the list of applicants though.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 16, 2017, 09:58:29 pm
Quote from: theoleballcoach on January 16, 2017, 09:49:59 pm
I think Blankenship is a proven coach. Guy made a decision for his family. I'm sure if they could get a hire like that in July, the list in January is out of this world. I am surprised that some media hasn't released the list of applicants though.

Wasn't suggesting he was not a proven coach, just that they would go after another proven coach as opposed to an assistant or an OC,DC.  I also think they will try to make sure he plans to be around for a good while.  Another early departure will make those that do the picking look bad.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 16, 2017, 09:59:44 pm
My only question about Blankenship is why he did not know that his family was not going to move close to him.  Maybe he didn't know Fayetteville was in Arkansas?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 16, 2017, 10:19:35 pm
The expectation was that BB would be at FHS for several years.

It just changed is all and I think it happened quickly.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: whippersnapper on January 16, 2017, 10:32:38 pm
Or maybe Mrs. Blankenship didnt realize how much she would miss her kids and grandkids? Sometimes people forget coaches have wives to take into account as well.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 16, 2017, 11:08:33 pm
Things do happen and for whatever reason he left, my point really is that I bet Fayetteville decision makers probably don't want to have to do this again anytime soon.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: GotInfo? on January 17, 2017, 09:40:01 am
I could be wrong, but I don't see them hiring a coordinator unless they are from the college level.  This is one of the top jobs in the state, at one of the biggest schools in the state.  It will be an acting HC with a very good record.  I just hope that they keep it in state.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 17, 2017, 10:02:33 am
I gotta agree with GotInfo.  this job needs to remain in state.  Lot of great Coaches in Ark who could lead this team.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: airitout on January 17, 2017, 10:03:21 am
Quote from: GotInfo? on January 17, 2017, 09:40:01 am
I could be wrong, but I don't see them hiring a coordinator unless they are from the college level.  This is one of the top jobs in the state, at one of the biggest schools in the state.  It will be an acting HC with a very good record.  I just hope that they keep it in state.

why would a coordinator be a bad choice?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 17, 2017, 11:04:00 am
Getting a guy like Blankenship was a grand slam, world series winning hire.  It will be next to impossible to duplicate.  The only thing close might be Jones. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 17, 2017, 12:27:40 pm
There are certainly some fine coaches out there and even some in Arkansas, you know we don't always have to go out of state, but getting the guy that is going to come in and stay is a big deal right now.  Not many coaches are going to fail at Fayetteville.  First of all the staff, which will do most of the coaching, is excellent.  The talent is going to be available and it appears they have an excellent budget.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 17, 2017, 01:57:17 pm
Quote from: Oldbadger on January 10, 2017, 11:00:40 pm
Which sport would not benefit from going to the weight room year round?  I keep hearing posters complaining about having to do off-season weight training and I can't think of a negative for that.

Agree, sadly there are still coaches out there that do not believe in the weight room, nor do they want to take the time to learn.  And some believe or not, actually coach football
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 17, 2017, 01:58:47 pm
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on January 13, 2017, 04:22:38 pm
Thats kinda funny that two Oklahoma coaches bailed after less than a year.

Mutual in the Lake, and saying Coach Blankenship bailed, is just flat wrong.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 17, 2017, 02:01:00 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 17, 2017, 11:04:00 am
Getting a guy like Blankenship was a grand slam, world series winning hire.  It will be next to impossible to duplicate.  The only thing close might be Jones.

Agree
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 17, 2017, 02:25:43 pm
Dawson seems to win everywhere he goes too. I say if it is instate it is one of those two guys or Bolding from PB, or it's out of state.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Baitshop on January 17, 2017, 04:39:56 pm
Fayetteville is a one school town...how about Barry Lunney Sr. ?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 17, 2017, 05:48:47 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on January 17, 2017, 04:39:56 pm
Fayetteville is a one school town...how about Barry Lunney Sr. ?

And in a couple of years, they hook up again????
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 20, 2017, 07:38:34 pm
Word from the players is a choice should be made by Thursday night. Good quick hire.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 21, 2017, 01:12:18 am
I do believe they have their man.  Just wading through the paperwork.

I do think Wed-Fri is the timeline.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 21, 2017, 08:27:25 am
Sounds like B. Mahan.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sportsguy80 on January 21, 2017, 10:28:23 am
I have heard the same as far as timeline for naming the new head coach. I saw one well known coach earlier this week and he may be the guy. One thing I do know is that it will be an in-state hire unless something drastically changes.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 21, 2017, 12:44:47 pm
In state is good.  Would be nice to hire from the staff, I hear that's a 50/50 possibility. Will not confirm, but say its is possible.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 21, 2017, 02:01:48 pm
Not going to be internal unless some major change in philosophy occurred.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 02:49:38 pm
In a coaches philosophy or in the admins philosophy?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 22, 2017, 03:52:32 pm
Admin as far as what kind of experience they are seeking.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 04:06:15 pm
Is it about experience or scheme and philosophy?  If Mahan were to get the nod, what offense and defense would the bulldogs most likely be running?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 22, 2017, 04:16:50 pm
I'm saying they appear to be seeking a proven consistent big time winner if it's a sitting high school coach.

Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 22, 2017, 04:39:04 pm
Here comes Billy Dawson
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
I understand that, but what does that tell your staff?  You will never be good enough to be the man.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 22, 2017, 04:49:23 pm
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
I understand that, but what does that tell your staff?  You will never be good enough to be the man.

Go be the man at somewhere else first?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 05:03:19 pm
I think that was my point. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 22, 2017, 05:18:11 pm
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 05:03:19 pm
I think that was my point.

Happens most everywhere.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 23, 2017, 09:20:39 am
Heard from a close source that they offered a coach from St. Louis. Not sure if he will take it though.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: coachsearch on January 23, 2017, 09:44:52 am
Why has it been so quite this time, last time they posted all the applicants and where they were from...This time nothing
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 23, 2017, 12:36:33 pm
Since my last 4 predictions have been correct.  I will go out on a limb and predict this one, again.  Out of stater ;)
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Razorbacks48 on January 23, 2017, 12:41:47 pm
Quote from: coachsearch on January 23, 2017, 09:44:52 am
Why has it been so quite this time, last time they posted all the applicants and where they were from...This time nothing
every open coaching position has been quiet this year...beginning to just be about politics and "who you know" rather than who the best guy for the job is. every position is about going back to their hometown and this and that but then everyone complains when they lose
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 23, 2017, 01:44:12 pm
Nick Saban is at FHS today.

Just saying.....
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 23, 2017, 01:49:49 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 23, 2017, 01:44:12 pm
Nick Saban is at FHS today.

Just saying.....

I thought Gus would be the coach from Alabama applying, hmm......
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: coachsearch on January 23, 2017, 02:11:40 pm
Might be from AL but not those two guys
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 23, 2017, 05:23:20 pm
Perhaps Josh Floyd?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 23, 2017, 08:19:23 pm
Quote from: coachsearch on January 23, 2017, 09:44:52 am
Why has it been so quite this time, last time they posted all the applicants and where they were from...This time nothing

The local news usually finds out and prints it, doesn't look like the news is in the know.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: tomdawg55 on January 23, 2017, 09:03:04 pm
What about HDN???
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: tomdawg55 on January 23, 2017, 09:07:06 pm
After getting thump elected he is up to the calling
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 23, 2017, 09:22:56 pm
Quote from: ricepig on January 23, 2017, 01:49:49 pm
I thought Gus would be the coach from Alabama applying, hmm......
Over my dead body.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: airitout on January 24, 2017, 10:54:39 am
Quote from: coachsearch on January 23, 2017, 09:44:52 am
Why has it been so quite this time, last time they posted all the applicants and where they were from...This time nothing

they didn't post all the applicants...they hired a guy not on that list
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: airitout on January 24, 2017, 10:56:17 am
Quote from: Razorbacks48 on January 23, 2017, 12:41:47 pm
every open coaching position has been quiet this year...beginning to just be about politics and "who you know" rather than who the best guy for the job is. every position is about going back to their hometown and this and that but then everyone complains when they lose

so the guy that just left was from fayetteville?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 24, 2017, 12:39:09 pm
When a school is FOI'd, they have to turn in everything they have.  Chances are Blankenship came into the picture offer the FOI was received.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 24, 2017, 01:18:25 pm
So is a move here close?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 24, 2017, 01:20:49 pm
Seems a hire is near.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Tigerdad2 on January 24, 2017, 01:25:32 pm
Thursday after the school board meeting
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 24, 2017, 01:42:09 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 22, 2017, 04:39:04 pm
Here comes Billy Dawson
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 24, 2017, 10:37:06 pm
Rumor has it Dawson was in FV today with his wife. He's originally from Bentonville so he has family ties in NWA. If the school board the timing makes sense. Finalize the deal today, tell RussVegas he's leaving tomorrow and get officially announced Thursday night. Stay tuned folks..::
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 24, 2017, 11:07:44 pm
It should be out on Wed.

Won't surprise many.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Tigerdad2 on January 25, 2017, 09:18:49 am
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 24, 2017, 10:37:06 pm
Rumor has it Dawson was in FV today with his wife. He's originally from Bentonville so he has family ties in NWA. If the school board the timing makes sense. Finalize the deal today, tell RussVegas he's leaving tomorrow and get officially announced Thursday night. Stay tuned folks..::
Great hire
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: GotInfo? on January 25, 2017, 09:25:51 am
Great hire!  Not a real surprise though.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 25, 2017, 09:45:51 am
Quote from: GotInfo? on January 25, 2017, 09:25:51 am
Great hire!  Not a real surprise though.

Very good hire.  Always wins!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: AirWarren on January 25, 2017, 09:47:25 am
State titles in 4a and 6a. Now off to 7a.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 25, 2017, 10:04:35 am
I wonder who's had more coaching jobs, Dawson or Chris Hill? They both move on every 3-4 years. I'd keep those resumes handy Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 25, 2017, 10:14:17 am
He may only be there few years buy I bet they win games.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 25, 2017, 10:38:33 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on January 25, 2017, 10:04:35 am
I wonder who's had more coaching jobs, Dawson or Chris Hill? They both move on every 3-4 years. I'd keep those resumes handy Fayetteville.
I bet this will be his last stop. He is right around 50 and I don't see any other job in Arkansas better than this one.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: sportsguy80 on January 25, 2017, 12:36:35 pm
How many years was he at Nashville? It seems he was there for awhile.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: SUGARTOWN on January 25, 2017, 12:48:15 pm
Quote from: sportsguy80 on January 25, 2017, 12:36:35 pm
How many years was he at Nashville? It seems he was there for awhile.

He coached at Nashville 8 years total, 2 separate stints, he left for 2 years then returned when Tim Perry didn't work out.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: polksalet on January 25, 2017, 01:32:00 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on January 25, 2017, 12:48:15 pm
He coached at Nashville 8 years total, 2 separate stints, he left for 2 years then returned when Tim Perry didn't work out.

Making Fayetteville great again!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: RebelPride04 on January 25, 2017, 04:19:40 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on January 25, 2017, 10:04:35 am
I wonder who's had more coaching jobs, Dawson or Chris Hill? They both move on every 3-4 years. I'd keep those resumes handy Fayetteville.

Hill was at Wynne 6 years, Dawson was at Nashville for 7 or 8. Nothing wrong with moving on to better jobs. Every career is suppose to be about moving up the ladder I thought? There would be quite a few more coaches that have had numerous jobs if they were chosen every time they applied. Congrats to Coach Dawson! Fayetteville just got even better.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 25, 2017, 04:27:53 pm
Assuming Dawson is going to be announced, and I'm pretty sure he will be, this is a very good hire.  Don't know they could have done any better. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Sick Dog on January 25, 2017, 08:26:47 pm
Great hire Purple Dogs!!!!! Consider yourselves lucky. By far the best candidate out there to hire anywhere!! Cant go wrong with this one. He will stay there until Arkansas Tech hires him as their new coach whenever that may be. Congrats on your next couple of State Championships. If you dont win them it wont be because you were out coached.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 25, 2017, 11:22:59 pm
Congrats coach Dawson a great coach and a class act Fayetteville will keep on winning.Dawson can just about win anywhere.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ABC™ on January 26, 2017, 08:51:54 am
Congrats to Coach Dawson!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 26, 2017, 09:26:26 am
Much more traditional hire for the Bulldogs this time.  Guy has always been a winner.  But remember, he's in D1 now!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Oldbadger on January 26, 2017, 10:08:26 am
The Bulldogs hit a home run with this hire.  Can't think of a better person to take this job.  A proven winner!  Congrats Fayetteville and Coach Dawson!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 26, 2017, 10:19:02 am
When will he officially start? My guess is it will be next week if not sooner!!!
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Okieback on January 26, 2017, 11:48:02 am
Well, I got this wrong.  But I actually think I was pretty close on predicting.  Pretty sure the 2 other finalist were out of state guys.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 26, 2017, 04:42:31 pm
Quote from: Okieback on January 26, 2017, 11:48:02 am
Well, I got this wrong.  But I actually think I was pretty close on predicting.  Pretty sure the 2 other finalist were out of state guys.

yes, not really, it sounds good.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 30, 2017, 03:19:26 pm
Just wondering if FV did hire Dawson, I hadn't seen anything for sure.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on January 30, 2017, 09:15:14 pm
Really? 

Yes it's done.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 07:48:50 am
Quote from: B.G. on January 30, 2017, 09:15:14 pm
Really? 

Yes it's done.

You can't believe these alternative facts.


https://twitter.com/FayBulldogsFB/status/824771814203281408
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: GotInfo? on January 31, 2017, 08:31:03 am
Word is he gets hire 2, maybe even 3 guys.  Any idea who that might be??
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Pat Swilling on January 31, 2017, 09:19:44 am
I'm sure he is bringing some Russvegas guys with him.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Katdaddy on February 04, 2017, 03:58:47 pm
I would bet Dawson does bring some Russellville coaches with him because you would think who Russellville hires will want to bring some of his coaches with him.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: CaliKid on February 06, 2017, 08:22:29 am
You would definitely think so. Bringing guys that were a part of helping turn Russellville around and understand his "process" would be beneficial.
 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 06, 2017, 08:52:36 am
As has been stated before with coaching changes, it's not that easy to replace high school assistant coaches.  If those Fayetteville guys don't want to leave.  And why would they?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on February 06, 2017, 08:48:32 pm
Fayetteville has a large staff and there may be a way to shuffle a few around between high school and junior high.  Never know when  someone wants to move on.  But, I agree unlikely there would be many openings. 
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Katdaddy on February 07, 2017, 08:06:44 am
Teachers and Coaches may be reassigned.. so there is ways for a new coach to bring who he wants.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: CaliKid on February 07, 2017, 08:43:47 am
Thats what I thought to Katdaddy but I wasnt really sure how it worked. I would think a job like this there would be some room for bringing loyal assistants.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 07, 2017, 09:49:27 am
I'm sure the Fayetteville superintendent is chomping at the bit to pay for a bunch of extra assistant football coaches.  Administrators and school boards aren't as obsessed with football coaching staffs as some of us.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: CaliKid on February 07, 2017, 10:25:18 am
I would assume that an assistant at Fayetteville, which I would also assume are pretty dang good coaches, if "re-assigned" would pursue employment elsewhere as opposed to going to JH. Thus creating a vacancy for the new spot(s).
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 07, 2017, 01:14:19 pm
Quote from: CaliKid on February 07, 2017, 10:25:18 am
I would assume that an assistant at Fayetteville, which I would also assume are pretty dang good coaches, if "re-assigned" would pursue employment elsewhere as opposed to going to JH. Thus creating a vacancy for the new spot(s).
Which begs the question.  do you really want to move people from probably the best staff in the state to get assistants from  Russellville?  No offense to Russellville.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: CaliKid on February 08, 2017, 08:00:25 am
If you feel that the Assistant that helped you win a State Championship is as good, YES. Because he brings the added benefit of knowing your system, how you operate, personality, as well as built up trust.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: STUNNA on February 08, 2017, 05:28:25 pm
what is the coaching salary at fayetteville?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Brian G on February 08, 2017, 09:10:56 pm
Lots of speculation on changes.

Law of averages would imply at least 2 would leave.

There are several former HC's on staff as assistants.  Many like that role and came just for that purpose.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: GotInfo? on February 08, 2017, 10:15:58 pm
Have heard he gets to hire 2-3 at the High School. Not sure about JR High. He can reassign as he sees fit.
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on February 09, 2017, 09:58:28 pm
Hows things going since the new hire ?
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open
Post by: johnhickey33 on February 14, 2017, 03:24:34 am
@GrizzlyFan Russellville's defensive coordinator Dave Wheeler was probably the best coach not in a head position in the entire state and he's bringing him to Fay...
Title: Re: Fayetteville Open (filled - Billy Dawson)
Post by: Brian G on May 30, 2017, 07:32:01 pm
https://twitter.com/coachbdawson/status/868256156795498497