I'm not kidding. We need something different. We play Alabama style football and we will never out 'Bama, 'Bama. Ever. They have too much talent. If Gus Mahlzahn can be successful with innovative concepts in the SEC then Kelley can too. Both can see the value in receivers like Will Hastings. The Wes Welker types. The kind that Arkansas can get. Kelley will get the top QBs who will want to play in his system. The best receivers. Hunter Henry can vouch for the system and winning brings talent. You have to pass like crazy to beat 'Bama. Kelley will drive Saban crazy with the schemes. This is my opinion. I'd love to see it and I bet it would work. Kelley is a winner and he would obsess until he makes the Hogs winners.
When has a HS Coach ever became The HC of a major University without College coaching experience first?
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 04, 2017, 07:46:52 pm
When has a HS Coach ever became The HC of a major University without College coaching experience first?
Well, strange you ask that, not exactly the parameters you set forth, but Gus only had one year as OC at Arkansas before going to HC at Tulsa.
I think North Texas hired a high school school some years back. It didn't work out.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 04, 2017, 07:46:52 pm
When has a HS Coach ever became The HC of a major University without College coaching experience first?
Gerry Faust was head coach at Moeller high school in Cincinati Ohio in 1980 and was head coach at Notre Dame in 1981-85
Well, this is sure to bring out the P.A./Kelley haters.
Art Briles had just a few years as a college assistant before he became the head coach of Houston. He was a very successful high school coach in Texas. Houston may not be a major D1 program but that's still a good jump.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:02:36 pm
Well, this is sure to bring out the P.A./Kelley haters.
It wasn't intended too. Attention to details and an obsession with winning always works. Kelley has both. I loved the move Will Hastings put on the safety to get wide open for Auburn this weekend. That's what Kelley teaches. Hogs receivers don't get open. Somebody on the Hogs staff is not teaching the basics of route running.
Get him out of HS and I wonder how well PA would function without him?
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:02:36 pm
Well, this is sure to bring out the P.A./Kelley haters.
Not going to hate here... I really enjoy PA and people should appreciate the positive recognition they bring to the state in football. If they do not they are simply just hating. That said there is a way you can coach high school and a way you can coach college. He could keep most of all what he does in his system, but would have to change some things for sure. I don't want Arkansas going for it on 4th and 10 and giving the other team a 30 yard field sometimes. We tend to get in that scenario a lot in Fayetteville ;D
Why is Will Hastings from Little Rock running perfect routes and catching touchdowns for Auburn?
Because Kevin Kelley is not the head coach of Arkansas would be my answer.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 04, 2017, 08:23:33 pm
Get him out of HS and I wonder how well PA would function without him?
PA would still be good but they would not be dominant.
Quote from: YC on October 04, 2017, 07:59:37 pm
Gerry Faust was head coach at Moeller high school in Cincinati Ohio in 1980 and was head coach at Notre Dame in 1981-85
Gerry Faust was considered the biggest coaching bust ever. You cannot make that jump directly. Can you see an SEC team go for it on every 4th down? please. Onside kick it every time? please. On College teams every player was the star of his high school team, too many athletes. Arkansas has a 4th and 7 on their own 20 against Alabama in the 1st quarter and you think going for it makes sense? The offense PA runs is very Vanilla compared to what you see in college. Sometimes our admiration for certain things clouds our better judgement. As dominating as they are in the 5A PA would not even have a winning record if they played in a league with the Katy's, Mater Dei's, De La Salle's, De Matha's and Bishop Gorman's. Take those teams and multiply by 10 and you have Div 1 type players. To think that system would work in the SEC is ludicrous. Could Kelley become an asst. coach at an Div 2 college and then climb the latter up? of course. To jump from PA to the SEC team is a bit much.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:33:47 pm
PA would still be good but they would not be dominant.
I agree with that.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 04, 2017, 08:23:33 pm
Get him out of HS and I wonder how well PA would function without him?
Not well at all. He is the motivator, the innovator and the play caller. He's the cog that turns the wheel.
One man's opinion.
Quote from: Almatrackster on October 04, 2017, 07:49:34 pm
Well, strange you ask that, not exactly the parameters you set forth, but Gus only had one year as OC at Arkansas before going to HC at Tulsa.
I think North Texas hired a high school school some years back. It didn't work out.
Think north Texas hired Todd Dodge...who won some of those mythical high school national titles are Southlake Carrol
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:38:16 pm
Gerry Faust was considered the biggest coaching bust ever. You cannot make that jump directly. Can you see an SEC team go for it on every 4th down? please. Onside kick it every time? please. On College teams every player was the star of his high school team, too many athletes. Arkansas has a 4th and 7 on their own 20 against Alabama in the 1st quarter and you think going for it makes sense? The offense PA runs is very Vanilla compared to what you see in college. Sometimes our admiration for certain things clouds our better judgement. As dominating as they are in the 5A PA would not even have a winning record if they played in a league with the Katy's, Mater Dei's, De La Salle's, De Matha's and Bishop Gorman's. Take those teams and multiply by 10 and you have Div 1 type players. To think that system would work in the SEC is ludicrous. Could Kelley become an asst. coach at an Div 2 college and then climb the latter up? of course. To jump from PA to the SEC team is a bit much.
Just my opinion. But Bret Bielema contends for that spot without a doubt. He was out of the ballpark hire that promised results that he hasn't backed up ("I just wanna bring a winner to Arkansas.") Here's to being "almost there" and "one play away" cause that's all we're gonna get with BB at the helm. Time to get a move on the hill... maybe Kelley is the answer ;)
He may have some success. He would be familiar with the smu type booster assistance and could exploit that stuff at the college level.
Honestly, Gus has much better athletes at Auburn than Arkansas does. And he was also an assistant head coach at Tulsa I think. Gus is a great coach. He has enjoyed success everyone he's gone. He's worked his way up. Hughes, Shiloh, Springdale. I think the next stop for KK would be a public school in 7A or a small college. He's probably not going to be an assistant again, not enough control.
He would fail miserably at Arkansas is what I'm saying. Very good coach for PA though. I do think Arkansas needs a new coach. Offensive minded, creative play calling, etc.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:38:16 pm
Gerry Faust was considered the biggest coaching bust ever. You cannot make that jump directly. Can you see an SEC team go for it on every 4th down? please. Onside kick it every time? please. On College teams every player was the star of his high school team, too many athletes. Arkansas has a 4th and 7 on their own 20 against Alabama in the 1st quarter and you think going for it makes sense? The offense PA runs is very Vanilla compared to what you see in college. Sometimes our admiration for certain things clouds our better judgement. As dominating as they are in the 5A PA would not even have a winning record if they played in a league with the Katy's, Mater Dei's, De La Salle's, De Matha's and Bishop Gorman's. Take those teams and multiply by 10 and you have Div 1 type players. To think that system would work in the SEC is ludicrous. Could Kelley become an asst. coach at an Div 2 college and then climb the latter up? of course. To jump from PA to the SEC team is a bit much.
All I did was answer the question that was asked – that it had been done in the past.
Yes, Gerry Faust turned out to be a bad hire.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 08:50:46 pm
He may have some success. He would be familiar with the smu type booster assistance and could exploit that stuff at the college level.
Honestly, Gus has much better athletes at Auburn than Arkansas does. And he was also an assistant head coach at Tulsa I think. Gus is a great coach. He has enjoyed success everyone he's gone. He's worked his way up. Hughes, Shiloh, Springdale. I think the next stop for KK would be a public school in 7A or a small college. He's probably not going to be an assistant again, not enough control.
He would fail miserably at Arkansas is what I'm saying. Very good coach for PA though. I do think Arkansas needs a new coach. Offensive minded, creative play calling, etc.
Auburn's defense is one of the 3 or 4 college teams where you stare out on the field and the size matches some pro teams.... They looked massive playing Miss State.
Another point people are forgetting. Malzhan wasn't hired at Arkansas because of his coaching abilities, he was hired to deliver Mustain. The friction with Nutt was well documented. He was a very tethered OC, he was basically OC in name only.
It is correct that he was just an assistant at Tulsa before becoming HC at Arkansas State for one season.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:38:16 pm
Gerry Faust was considered the biggest coaching bust ever. You cannot make that jump directly. Can you see an SEC team go for it on every 4th down? please. Onside kick it every time? please. On College teams every player was the star of his high school team, too many athletes. Arkansas has a 4th and 7 on their own 20 against Alabama in the 1st quarter and you think going for it makes sense? The offense PA runs is very Vanilla compared to what you see in college. Sometimes our admiration for certain things clouds our better judgement. As dominating as they are in the 5A PA would not even have a winning record if they played in a league with the Katy's, Mater Dei's, De La Salle's, De Matha's and Bishop Gorman's. Take those teams and multiply by 10 and you have Div 1 type players. To think that system would work in the SEC is ludicrous. Could Kelley become an asst. coach at an Div 2 college and then climb the latter up? of course. To jump from PA to the SEC team is a bit much.
Before Kelley, everyone said the same things about high school football and some still do. Frank Broyles said the spread would never work at the college level.
Never say never.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:54:26 pm
Another point people are forgetting. Malzhan wasn't hired at Arkansas because of his coaching abilities, he was hired to deliver Mustain. The friction with Nutt was well documented. He was a very tethered OC, he was basically OC in name only.
He was hired to deliver 5 D-1 players.
Quote from: YC on October 04, 2017, 08:52:27 pm
All I did was answer the question that was asked – that it had been done in the past.
Yes, Gerry Faust turned out to be a bad hire.
I wasn't being confrontational to your post, just expounding on what you said. I never thought you mean't it in the "It can work" sense.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:55:30 pm
Before Kelley, everyone said the same things about high school football and some still do. Frank Broyles said the spread would never work at the college level.
Never say never.
He should show us all just how wrong we are and move up in the coaching world.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:54:26 pm
Another point people are forgetting. Malzhan wasn't hired at Arkansas because of his coaching abilities, he was hired to deliver Mustain. The friction with Nutt was well documented. He was a very tethered OC, he was basically OC in name only.
True, but our best offense that year was the Wildcat which was a Gus wrinkle.
Ok PA Dad, Maynard and others. No one has made the joke yet so I will....He already has the recruiting part down....thank you! I'll be here all week.
Quote from: beach bum on October 04, 2017, 08:53:11 pm
Auburn's defense is one of the 3 or 4 college teams where you stare out on the field and the size matches some pro teams.... They looked massive playing Miss State.
Agreed. Auburn has some players this season. Hope it's not another 50+ victory for the coach that we let get away.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:58:32 pm
Ok PA Dad, Maynard and others. No one has made the joke yet so I will....He already has the recruiting part down....thank you! I'll be here all week.
(Please see my post above lol)
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 08:57:02 pm
He should show us all just how wrong we are and move up in the coaching world.
If we had no innovators we'd still be running the I formation and the 5-2 defense. All innovators have proven the naysayers wrong. You'll see Kelley's system more and more in the future. Check back in 2-3 years.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:58:32 pm
Ok PA Dad, Maynard and others. No one has made the joke yet so I will....He already has the recruiting part down....thank you! I'll be here all week.
So, he has less to learn at the college level than most high school coaches!
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 09:07:21 pm
If we had no innovators we'd still be running the I formation and the 5-2 defense. All innovators have proven the naysayers wrong. You'll see Kelley's system more and more in the future. Check back in 2-3 years.
Are you sure the I formation isn't working great still? I mean, BB is crushing it at Arkansas.
I completely agree. In high school especially. I think it's going to be very common in high school soon. We won't see it in the NFL though. Or major college football.
Remember though, the classic I formation is still going strong. Alabama has recently dominated with it. Although they are slowly adapting to the new type of football. That's what great coaches do.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 08:55:42 pm
He was hired to deliver 5 D-1 players.
If Malzahn had been the Head Coach instead of Nutt we would have been much better. Nutt jacked that deal up with his arrogance.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 09:11:03 pm
Are you sure the I formation isn't working great still? I mean, BB is crushing it at Arkansas.
I completely agree. In high school especially. I think it's going to be very common in high school soon. We won't see it in the NFL though. Or major college football.
Remember though, the classic I formation is still going strong. Alabama has recently dominated with it. Although they are slowly adapting to the new type of football. That's what great coaches do.
I agree that older systems still work. But, the spread, the 4-3 and 3-4, etc. are much more common now and generally more successful. Darrell Royal was a great coach but he might have much less success today because he hated the pass.
My point is simply that you can't discount an innovator simply because he/she tries something that no one has done before.
Kevin Kelly would be a great HC for the Hogs. Let's bring in some new innovative ideas, and I think KK would be a perfect fit. The man really talk the talk and walk the walk. If he gets to go, PA will still be competitive because PA coaching staff like Mr. Wyatt, Taylor and I don't the other coaches name will keep PA running. I would love to see KK becomes the HOGS Head Coach talking about putting a flavor to your good old frying squirrel.
Kevin Kelley would be successful at Arkansas. We would score points and win. Bottom line about football.
Quote from: Lefefe123# on October 04, 2017, 09:19:22 pm
Kevin Kelly would be a great HC for the Hogs. Let's bring in some new innovative ideas, and I think KK would be a perfect fit. The man really talk the talk and walk the walk. If he gets to go, PA will still be competitive because PA coaching staff like Mr. Wyatt, Taylor and I don't the other coaches name will keep PA running. I would love to see KK becomes the HOGS Head Coach talking about putting a flavor to your good old frying squirrel.
No!!! Not OC. We did that with Malzahn and now he's Auburns coach. Head Coach period.
I root against this guy every year as a Maumelle fan and it's no use because he's gonna win. I want to root for him as the Hogs HC.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 09:16:08 pm
I agree that older systems still work. But, the spread, the 4-3 and 3-4, etc. are much more common now and generally more successful. Darrell Royal was a great coach but he might have much less success today because he hated the pass.
My point is simply that you can't discount an innovator simply because he/she tries something that no one has done before.
I give all the credit in the world to Kelley. The onside kicks and always going for it work in a mid division high school league. You cannot argue with the success. As far as PA's offense goes it is very good, they work at it repetitiously, but it is not innovative. It's been done in the pro's and college since 1980 when Bill Walsh started it. He is an incredible coach but there is nothing unique to his offense, it's expertly executed but not original.
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 08:58:32 pm
Ok PA Dad, Maynard and others. No one has made the joke yet so I will....He already has the recruiting part down....thank you! I'll be here all week.
don't quit your day job ;)
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on October 04, 2017, 09:26:27 pm
don't quit your day job ;)
Artificial inseminater for the hens at the chicken houses outside town, quit that job? are you crazy?
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 09:26:26 pm
I give all the credit in the world to Kelley. The onside kicks and always going for it work in a mid division high school league. You cannot argue with the success. As far as PA's offense goes it is very good, they work at it repetitiously, but it is not innovative. It's been done in the pro's and college since 1980 when Bill Walsh started it. He is an incredible coach but there is nothing unique to his offense, it's expertly executed but not original.
But it is the onside kicks and always going for it on fourth down that is innovative. And, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, that's based on analytics.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 09:22:17 pm
Kevin Kelley would be successful at Arkansas. We would score points and win. Bottom line about football.
We would score more points..that might be true. That's all though. I'm not saying he's not a good coach, but he has much more to prove before he can be in a serious discussion about an sec head coaching job...
At least we all know how you feel about the Arkansas football program. Listen, sometimes the hogs make us all go a little crazy. You've had a long day, hogs are disappointing you, and you need some rest.
We all have basketball season to look forward to. I think
It's a great thread based on the number of posts in a short period of time. This may be the most in a short period since Kelley called timeout to make the last score against McClellan in the championship game a couple of years ago.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 09:38:45 pm
It's a great thread based on the number of posts in a short period of time. This may be the most in a short period since Kelley called timeout to make the last score against McClellan in the championship game a couple of years ago.
Haha true. Or when PA changed to dry uniforms because they didn't wanna be all wet and cold.
Quote from: Yellowcake on October 04, 2017, 08:41:20 pm
Not well at all. He is the motivator, the innovator and the play caller. He's the cog that turns the wheel.
One man's opinion.
+1. I think that is a very reasonable assessment. I wouldn't want to imagine Greenwood having a Coaching change with Jones. Programs such as those two have been built for years. Both are excellent football coaches in their own right.
Just because it is easy in HS doesn't mean it will be in College. Totally different aspects but you guys would know more about that than I. Sleep well All! :)
Quote from: JessieP on October 04, 2017, 09:30:25 pm
Artificial inseminater for the hens at the chicken houses outside town, quit that job? are you crazy?
I heard it wasn't artificial
Is it me or what? It just seems wrong that Arkansas coaches and players are being successful at Auburn and out of state coaches and AD's are not being successful here in Arkansas.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 09:48:10 pm
Is it me or what? It just seems wrong that Arkansas coaches and players are being successful at Auburn and out of state coaches and AD's are not being successful here in Arkansas.
It's not just you. Fire BB! Of course, half the state is still mad at Gus for some odd reason. So we can't hire him. It would be divided just like when Nutt was here.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 09:40:10 pm
Haha true. Or when PA changed to dry uniforms because they didn't wanna be all wet and cold.
That's coaching.....
Always looking for an advantage that is within the rules.
For the record, I find myself agreeing with many of your posts of late. When you are being objective about a topic you are, well, dare I say, reasonable and pretty spot on?
I wish you knew the pain saying that causes me.... :)
Quote from: Yellowcake on October 04, 2017, 10:06:09 pm
That's coaching.....
Always looking for an advantage that is within the rules.
For the record, I find myself agreeing with many of your posts of late. When you are being objective about a topic you are, well, dare I say, reasonable and pretty spot on?
I wish you knew the pain saying that causes me.... :)
Geez, Yellowcake, are you going to encourage him?
Bielema is done as far as Texas recruiting. 13 players including 2 kickers on the current roster is not going to cut it. Innovative spread offensive minded coach who will throw to athletic receivers and Texas 5 star receivers and QB's will sign with Arkansas. Kelley is Bobby Petrino with ethics
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 10:14:40 pm
Bielema is done as far as Texas recruiting. 13 players including 2 kickers on the current roster is not going to cut it. Innovative spread offensive minded coach who will throw to athletic receivers and Texas 5 star receivers and QB's will sign with Arkansas. Kelley is Bobby Petrino with ethics
Agreed
Two things:
1.) I could see Coach Kelley have success at the college level, especially somewhere like Arkansas where he's not gonna have the best athletes year in and year out. He does it right now at PA in a conference full of athletes, most of which are on the other sideline every Friday night.
2.) I never wanted Bielema at Arkansas. I thought he was a huge douchy blowhard at Wisconsin. One time in particular prior to playing FSU in the Champs Sports Bowl, he bad-mouthed Coach Bowden and the FSU players all week leading up to the game, and then the 'Noles proceeded to beat Wiscy 40-something to 14 or something like that. I never liked the guy after that.
Quote from: Yellowcake on October 04, 2017, 10:06:09 pm
That's coaching.....
Always looking for an advantage that is within the rules.
For the record, I find myself agreeing with many of your posts of late. When you are being objective about a topic you are, well, dare I say, reasonable and pretty spot on?
I wish you knew the pain saying that causes me.... :)
I appreciate that, and I'm sure I can guess the pain and humility it took to say that about me, of all people.
Really though, I just like to get some of y'all fired up sometimes. I don't think I'm too bad of a person.. You PA fans are getting harder and harder to do that to these days though. Gotta find some others.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 10:08:55 pm
Geez, Yellowcake, are you going to encourage him?
That's just what I needed!
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 10:25:31 pm
I appreciate that, and I'm sure I can guess the pain and humility it took to say that about me, of all people.
Really though, I just like to get some of y'all fired up sometimes. I don't think I'm too bad of a person.. You PA fans are getting harder and harder to do that to these days though. Gotta find some others.
That's just what I needed!
MDX, I love needling you (and you've tormented me many times) but you are a thoughtful poster and I admire that. It just too bad that you're usually wrong!
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 10:29:08 pm
MDX, I love needling you (and you've tormented me many times) but you are a thoughtful poster and I admire that. It just too bad that you're usually wrong!
It is fun sometimes. Y'all have some pretty decent guys posting these days and it makes the board more enjoyable.
Subjectively wrong, yes. Because you disagree with me about most things I think haha. But, obviously, I'm usually right. I'll admit, I've been wrong once or twice about something on here I'm sure. I just can't think of it right now.
Quote from: Chief_Osceola™ on October 04, 2017, 10:23:42 pm
Two things:
1.) I could see Coach Kelley have success at the college level, especially somewhere like Arkansas where he's not gonna have the best athletes year in and year out. He does it right now at PA in a conference full of athletes, most of which are on the other sideline every Friday night.
2.) I never wanted Bielema at Arkansas. I thought he was a huge douchy blowhard at Wisconsin. One time in particular prior to playing FSU in the Champs Sports Bowl, he bad-mouthed Coach Bowden and the FSU players all week leading up to the game, and then the 'Noles proceeded to beat Wiscy 40-something to 14 or something like that. I never liked the guy after that.
He did the same smart remark with Kingsbury from Texas Tech and it ticked the Texas HS coaches off. You know karma is a moron. Texas has been Arkansas's bread and butter for as long as I can remember for recruiting and now we are 9th or 10th in line. It's pathetic.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 10:34:34 pm
He did the same smart remark with Kingsbury from Texas Tech and it ticked the Texas HS coaches off. You know karma is a moron. Texas has been Arkansas's bread and butter for as long as I can remember for recruiting and now we are 9th or 10th in line. It's pathetic.
Tell us mijally, how do you really feel about BB, Arkansas, and the state of the program?
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 10:36:26 pm
Tell us mijally, how do you really feel about BB, Arkansas, and the state of the program?
You know I feel real good about it man. I think we got a chance to win the championship.
I'd love to see Coach K at U of A. We'd be in the National spotlight and if he could put together a couple of winning seasons it would be great fun to watch. The bonus, of course, would be to get him out of the 5-A!!
Quote from: Intelligentsia on October 04, 2017, 11:25:52 pm
I'd love to see Coach K at U of A. We'd be in the National spotlight and if he could put together a couple of winning seasons it would be great fun to watch. The bonus, of course, would be to get him out of the 5-A!!
Always the witty and pithy response!
You not posting enough. I always enjoy your insight.
Very good discussion, folks. ;) I would love to see Kelley at the college level, just to see how he would do.
EGO OF THE COLLEGE ATHLETE
I think the real challenge for Kelley (at the UofA, or any D1) would be dealing with the typical college athlete.
On any college football team, you are dealing with young men that were probably the best player on their high school team. Consequently, it can be a real challenge to get them to listen to your 'orders'. Would be curious to see how that relationship (between Kelley and his college players) would work out.
HARDING UNIVERSITY & CHRIS HILL [former Wynne head coach]
As this discussion continues, keep in mind of the experience that is happening at Harding University with their new offensive coordinator: Chris Hill.
Coach Hill was something of a rival to Kelley, since Hill's 5A Wynne teams faced PA/Kelley in 2014 and 2016 state finals. PA won both times. Hill left Wynne to take over the flexbone offense at Harding [NCAA D2 Great American Conference].
Harding won the GAC last year, but this year they are having a rough start: 2 wins & 3 losses. Harding was initially 0-3. In Hill's defense, I must say that Harding lost a LOT of seniors in 2016, so they weren't going to win the GAC even with last year's coaches.
Very interesting to see how Harding progresses under Hill's leadership. Wonder if Kelley is watching, too?
We will never know what Kelley can accomplish in other programs (high school or college) until he shows us. He has a great thing going at PA. It would be tough for any coach that has built a program like he has to part ways with it. We will probably never find out what he and his analytics could produce anywhere outside of PA as intriguing as it may be.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 04, 2017, 07:46:52 pm
When has a HS Coach ever became The HC of a major University without College coaching experience first?
Should be a simple transition. He already have the recruiting down pat... ;). Just kidding...I do too. Seriously. Can't be any worse that what we're doing right now.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on October 05, 2017, 06:40:58 am
Should be a simple transition. He already have the recruiting down pat... ;). Just kidding...I do too. Seriously. Can't be any worse that what we're doing right now.
It can always be worse, SMILE!!!
Rick Jones would be an overall better fit for college than Kelley. IMHO (And according to sources, you will see Jones coaching on the college level in not the too distant future.)
Quote from: Almatrackster on October 04, 2017, 07:49:34 pm
Well, strange you ask that, not exactly the parameters you set forth, but Gus only had one year as OC at Arkansas before going to HC at Tulsa.
I think North Texas hired a high school school some years back. It didn't work out.
Kevin Kelly couldn't even carry Gus Malzahn's briefcase. Get real....
Coach Kelly would get completely embarrassed running his "unconventional style" on the college level. Nice gimmick's to run on the high school level, especially when you're playing mainly 5A teams when you should be playing 7A teams every week.
The Razorbacks might need a new coach, but they don't need any new "gimmicks". Put the PA Kool-Aid down and drink more water. You MUST be dehydrated and hallucinating again.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:02:36 pm
Well, this is sure to bring out the P.A./Kelley haters.
Just stating facts PA Dad, just the facts.
Who's your pick for Coach Kelly's Arkansas Razorback OC? Let me guess? CLINT STOERNER??? LOLOLOLOLOL
GO BULLDOGS!!!
I must say, some of the rationale on this thread is seriously lacking in basic understanding of football. Could some high school football coaches enter the college world as assistants? without question. That is a very logical next step, providing that's what they want. Hill taking the job as OC at a school like Harding is within reason. To say Kelley or James could take over the Razorbacks is laughable. My daughter meticulously saved money as a small child, she stuffed the little "My first piggy bank" we got her as a 4 year old. She got to the point where 1 bank turned into 4. That lasted until our first trip to Disney World, it was spent day one at the gift shop. To say "she's 7 and has saved almost $100, let's move to NYC and get her a job at Goldman Sachs" would make us morons. Now we could have suggested she take classes in high school/college to steer her in that direction, if she showed some serious acumen in that field, would make sense. Years of constant success at the high school level earns you the opportunity to advance up to the lowest level of the next step up. A high school coach going to OC at Harding will get a reaction of "ok, let's see how this plays out". A high school coach going to HC of a Division 1, Power 5 team will get a drink spit in your face followed by 5 minutes of uncontrollable laughter.
Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 09:29:56 am
Kevin Kelly couldn't even carry Gus Malzahn's briefcase. Get real....
Coach Kelly would get completely embarrassed running his "unconventional style" on the college level. Nice gimmick's to run on the high school level, especially when you're playing mainly 5A teams when you should be playing 7A teams every week.
The Razorbacks might need a new coach, but they don't need any new "gimmicks". Put the PA Kool-Aid and drink more water. You MUST be dehydrated and hallucinating again.
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Let's not forget, Gus Malzhan himself hasn't exactly set the college world ablaze. A, he started as an OC, an OC that had McFadden and Jones. I could have ran that offense. Talk about having your table set. What has he done at Auburn? not too much. They are ranked but they are always ranked, he brought nothing new.
Quote from: JessieP on October 05, 2017, 09:33:09 am
I must say, some of the rationale on this thread is seriously lacking in basic understanding of football. Could some high school football coaches enter the college world as assistants? without question. That is a very logical next step, providing that's what they want. Hill taking the job as OC at a school like Harding is within reason. To say Kelley or James could take over the Razorbacks is laughable. My daughter meticulously saved money as a small child, she stuffed the little "My first piggy bank" we got her as a 4 year old. She got to the point where 1 bank turned into 4. That lasted until our first trip to Disney World, it was spent day one at the gift shop. To say "she's 7 and has saved almost $100, let's move to NYC and get her a job at Goldman Sachs" would make us morons. Now we could have suggested she take classes in high school/college to steer her in that direction, if she showed some serious acumen in that field, would make sense. Years of constant success at the high school level earns you the opportunity to advance up to the lowest level of the next step up. A high school coach going to OC at Harding will get a reaction of "ok, let's see how this plays out". A high school coach going to HC of a Division 1, Power 5 team will get a drink spit in your face followed by 5 minutes of uncontrollable laughter.
Correction, I've been laughing for hours after reading this. Lolololololol, no stopping in sight!
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Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 07:42:33 pm
I'm not kidding. We need something different. We play Alabama style football and we will never out 'Bama, 'Bama. Ever. They have too much talent. If Gus Mahlzahn can be successful with innovative concepts in the SEC then Kelley can too. Both can see the value in receivers like Will Hastings. The Wes Welker types. The kind that Arkansas can get. Kelley will get the top QBs who will want to play in his system. The best receivers. Hunter Henry can vouch for the system and winning brings talent. You have to pass like crazy to beat 'Bama. Kelley will drive Saban crazy with the schemes. This is my opinion. I'd love to see it and I bet it would work. Kelley is a winner and he would obsess until he makes the Hogs winners.
Are you totally nuts???
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 09:22:17 pm
Kevin Kelley would be successful at Arkansas. We would score points and win. Bottom line about football.
Yes, as stated before, Kevin Kelly would make a FINE RECRUITING COORDINATOR for the Razorbacks. GUARANTEED.
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I'm a big fan of Kevin Kelley as a coach, and even more so as a person. With that said, it takes a million things to be an elite coach at the SEC and you don't get to learn on the job. Coach Kelley has never had to recruit (I know this pains some of you), never had to hire a staff at that level, etc. I would love to see him be an OC at that level though.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on October 05, 2017, 10:09:09 am
I'm a big fan of Kevin Kelley as a coach, and even more so as a person. With that said, it takes a million things to be an elite coach at the SEC and you don't get to learn on the job. Coach Kelley has never had to recruit (I know this pains some of you), never had to hire a staff at that level, etc. I would love to see him be an OC at that level though.
Never HAD to recruit (but he did it anyway) because he LOVES it. Lololololol
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Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 10:15:21 am
Never HAD to recruit (but he did it anyway) because he LOVES it. Lololololol
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By reading your post it's quite obvious you are a pretty big Greenwood fan. I'm guessing your aversion to PA stems from the fact they get far more coverage then Greenwood, both local and National, and yet Greenwood has enjoyed as much success. I understand the reasoning that Greenwood is in a higher classification therefore logic would dictate that Greenwood is generally considered a better team? I more often then not agree with that. Just as I agree that the 7A State Champ is the best in the State. It's fair and based on fact. My question is your shots about recruiting, do you really think the same things are not being said about Greenwood? do you not feel a sort of kinship with PA in regards to Greenwoods success is questioned daily on these boards?. They recruit, they buy wins, they spend more money, they buy refs and other things belittling what teams accomplish is not a label attached to PA exclusively, I assure you. I have read for years how Greenwood tapes practices and has even installed camera's and listening devices in visitors locker rooms. I heard people say Greenwood has bugged opposing coaches head-sets during games. Is it bs? of course it is. Just don't spend too much time laughing at what you consider PA's "less then" accomplishments because they feast, on what you consider to be, a lesser 5A. There are plenty of people just like you saying the EXACT same thing about Greenwood.
Quote from: JacketDad on October 05, 2017, 09:55:45 am
Are you totally nuts???
Thank you for my morning laugh. I'm sure Saban wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat thinking "Oh my God, what if Arkansas hires the PA coach". Some fans have checked out of the hotel reality.
Lighten up guys. We know that KK will not be hired at U of A, but it's fun to speculate. Would it be fun to watch him try - absolutely!! Would he succeed stepping directly into that role - likely not. While the initial poster may have been somewhat serious, I think most of the us are just day dreaming - sort of like when I dream about winning the lottery. I'm not going to win the lottery, primarily because I've never purchased a ticket, it's fun to dream!!
Quote from: JessieP on October 05, 2017, 10:56:31 am
By reading your post it's quite obvious you are a pretty big Greenwood fan. I'm guessing your aversion to PA stems from the fact they get far more coverage then Greenwood, both local and National, and yet Greenwood has enjoyed as much success. I understand the reasoning that Greenwood is in a higher classification therefore logic would dictate that Greenwood is generally considered a better team? I more often then not agree with that. Just as I agree that the 7A State Champ is the best in the State. It's fair and based on fact. My question is your shots about recruiting, do you really think the same things are not being said about Greenwood? do you not feel a sort of kinship with PA in regards to Greenwoods success is questioned daily on these boards?. They recruit, they buy wins, they spend more money, they buy refs and other things belittling what teams accomplish is not a label attached to PA exclusively, I assure you. I have read for years how Greenwood tapes practices and has even installed camera's and listening devices in visitors locker rooms. I heard people say Greenwood has bugged opposing coaches head-sets during games. Is it bs? of course it is. Just don't spend too much time laughing at what you consider PA's less then accomplishments because they feast on what you consider to be a lesser 5A because there are plenty of you saying the EXACT same thing about Greenwood.
Easy does it there JessieJane.
1. Bulldogger15 has never hidden who he supports.
2. They recruit? Who Holt? Dad graduated from Greenwood, Noland? Both parents graduated from Greenwood. Accommodating curious student athletes with a fine place to get a FREE education is far from recruiting.
3. Buy wins? Don't need to, we have Ricky Don Jones!
4. Spend more money? Not quite.... I'd like to compare REAL budgets from all sources for both schools.
5. Buy refs? No need to buy refs, they suck either way.
6. Belittling what teams accomplish? Rubbish! Accomplish everything your're talking about at the 7A level where you should be playing and THEN we can have an intelligent conversation.
7. For 7A, where you should be playing. Put down the PA flavored Kool-Aid, take off Coach Kelly's rose colored glasses and get real. DELUSIONAL!
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Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 11:17:19 am
Easy does it there JessieJane.
1. Bulldogger15 has never hidden who he supports.
2. They recruit? Who Holt? Dad graduated from Greenwood, Noland? Both parents graduated from Greenwood. Accommodating curious student athletes with a fine place to get a FREE education is far from recruiting.
3. Buy wins? Don't need to, we have Ricky Don Jones!
4. Spend more money? Not quite.... I'd like to compare REAL budgets from all sources for both schools.
5. Buy refs? No need to buy refs, they suck either way.
6. Belittling what teams accomplish? Rubbish! Accomplish everything your're talking about at the 7A level where you should be playing and THEN we can have an intelligent conversation.
7. For 7A, where you should be playing. Put down the PA flavored Kool-Aid, take off Coach Kelly's rose colored glasses and get real. DELUSIONAL!
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I never said I believe any of the things on your imbecilic list, I pointed out they are things that people say. You think I'm a PA fan? what year did you graduate Harvard? not too quick on the uptake are you Shar pei15. Funny how you say PA should have to play in the 7A and Greenwood shouldn't, especially since PA has about half the students Greenwood does.
Now sit down Greeny. Putting a delusional Greenwood fan in their place, I should call myself Russellville.
Popcorn, anyone? :o :o
Bring him on. At least we would get our monies worth watching the O play.
Whether or not the head coach or OC at Arkansas is Kelly, or someone else, I would love to see someone that utilizes Kelly's approach. JessieP is right in noting that PA's offense is not unique. He is also correct that, with the athletes they have, PA probably couldn't compete that well against some of the bigger powerhouse high schools around the country. Kelly's genius is using what he has to the best advantage. At the 5A level, he realizes that he has five good receivers available on every play, and most teams they face don't have five equally talented defensive backs. Therefore, every play called is designed to exploit whatever weakness the particular defensive scheme presents. If the defensive commits too many people to defending the pass, he runs the ball. Knowing that most 5A defenses will be giving something up on every play makes going for it on fourth down not such a big risk.
This is really no different than what any great team; high school, college or pro, does. Alabama has the studs to run the ball...regardless of the formation or style of running attack used. At the same time, they realize that at some point in time, other great teams can stack the line of scrimmage and take away the run. When that happens, they will pass the ball. The point is that at the college level, I wouldn't expect Kelly to utilize the same offensive strategy he currently uses. Alabama doesn't have any weak defensive backs that would allow Kelly to run the same types of passing plays. However, even Alabama's secondary gives up something. The key is determining what the weakness is, and then executing the appropriate pass play. Look at the Ark State game last night. GS's "ball control" offense didn't concern ASU that much. As long as GS couldn't defend the long pass and gave up TD after TD, ASU didn't have to worry about five turnovers. They simply outscored GS.
Kelly figures out what his team's strengths are, and what the other teams he will be facing weaknesses are. His game plan is developed accordingly. His offensive is looked at as being one-dimensional because they pass so often. If he knew that most of their opponents had great secondaries, he would use a different game plan. At the SEC level, I would expect him to use the talent he had in a manner that reflected the advantages they had. I doubt that Kelly would go for it on fourth down every time. Unlike at the 5A high school level, a SEC team cannot expect to consistently complete 15 or 20 yard pass plays even when the other team knows you are going to pass.
For the Hogs to be competitive in the SEC, they need a coach that at least approaches the game like Kelly, or Saban, does. Depending on the athletes they get at Arkansas, they can be run first, and then pass, or use a pass first offensive to set up the run. In either case, you must be flexible. Coach BB thinks he can run the ball effectively even when the defensive is lined up to stop the run, or pass effectively when it is third and long. Ain't gonna happen. Some times you need to pass on second and two, or run on third and ten. Figure out what the defense is giving you, and exploit it. In closing, I can only speculate if Kelly would be successful at a SEC level school. Like many have pointed out, being a head coach, or even just an OC, requires multiple skill sets, some of which Kelly may not have.
That said, Arkansas is desperately in need of coaches that approach the game like Kelly does. If an "unconventional style" is what best fits the athletes you have versus the teams you will be facing, then use it. If you can get the Alabama or Clemson types of athletes, then be more conventional. Just don't be predictable like BB or Houston Nutt. Whether or not Kelly's current approach, assuming he used it, would work at the college level makes for an interesting discussion. However, I have little doubt that Kelly's approach to the game will work at any level.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 04, 2017, 08:21:44 pm
It wasn't intended too. Attention to details and an obsession with winning always works. Kelley has both. I loved the move Will Hastings put on the safety to get wide open for Auburn this weekend. That's what Kelley teaches. Hogs receivers don't get open. Somebody on the Hogs staff is not teaching the basics of route running.
Who is Will Hastings?
Quote from: Bruin Backer on October 05, 2017, 12:21:56 pm
Whether or not the head coach or OC at Arkansas is Kelly, or someone else, I would love to see someone that utilizes Kelly's approach. JessieP is right in noting that PA's offense is not unique. He is also correct that, with the athletes they have, PA probably couldn't compete that well against some of the bigger powerhouse high schools around the country. Kelly's genius is using what he has to the best advantage. At the 5A level, he realizes that he has five good receivers available on every play, and most teams they face don't have five equally talented defensive backs. Therefore, every play called is designed to exploit whatever weakness the particular defensive scheme presents. If the defensive commits too many people to defending the pass, he runs the ball. Knowing that most 5A defenses will be giving something up on every play makes going for it on fourth down not such a big risk.
This is really no different than what any great team; high school, college or pro, does. Alabama has the studs to run the ball...regardless of the formation or style of running attack used. At the same time, they realize that at some point in time, other great teams can stack the line of scrimmage and take away the run. When that happens, they will pass the ball. The point is that at the college level, I wouldn't expect Kelly to utilize the same offensive strategy he currently uses. Alabama doesn't have any weak defensive backs that would allow Kelly to run the same types of passing plays. However, even Alabama's secondary gives up something. The key is determining what the weakness is, and then executing the appropriate pass play. Look at the Ark State game last night. GS's "ball control" offense didn't concern ASU that much. As long as GS couldn't defend the long pass and gave up TD after TD, ASU didn't have to worry about five turnovers. They simply outscored GS.
Kelly figures out what his team's strengths are, and what the other teams he will be facing weaknesses are. His game plan is developed accordingly. His offensive is looked at as being one-dimensional because they pass so often. If he knew that most of their opponents had great secondaries, he would use a different game plan. At the SEC level, I would expect him to use the talent he had in a manner that reflected the advantages they had. I doubt that Kelly would go for it on fourth down every time. Unlike at the 5A high school level, a SEC team cannot expect to consistently complete 15 or 20 yard pass plays even when the other team knows you are going to pass.
For the Hogs to be competitive in the SEC, they need a coach that at least approaches the game like Kelly, or Saban, does. Depending on the athletes they get at Arkansas, they can be run first, and then pass, or use a pass first offensive to set up the run. In either case, you must be flexible. Coach BB thinks he can run the ball effectively even when the defensive is lined up to stop the run, or pass effectively when it is third and long. Ain't gonna happen. Some times you need to pass on second and two, or run on third and ten. Figure out what the defense is giving you, and exploit it. In closing, I can only speculate if Kelly would be successful at a SEC level school. Like many have pointed out, being a head coach, or even just an OC, requires multiple skill sets, some of which Kelly may not have.
That said, Arkansas is desperately in need of coaches that approach the game like Kelly does. If an "unconventional style" is what best fits the athletes you have versus the teams you will be facing, then use it. If you can get the Alabama or Clemson types of athletes, then be more conventional. Just don't be predictable like BB or Houston Nutt. Whether or not Kelly's current approach, assuming he used it, would work at the college level makes for an interesting discussion. However, I have little doubt that Kelly's approach to the game will work at any level.
#1 This is one of the most dilusional posts I've seen about Coach Kelly in a bit.
#2 Coach Kelly has been at PA since 2003 for a VERY good reason.
#3 Putting Kelly in a comparative sentence with Saban is ignorant.
#4 PA Kool-Aid stand opens again soon! Is it still free or are they charging now to "help the cause"?
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Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 01:07:06 pm
#3 Putting Kelly in a comparative sentence with Saban is ignorant.
Okay....this I have to say, makes sense. Two totally different types of Coaches. Why not bring Saban to Arkansas??
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 05, 2017, 01:15:49 pm
Okay....this I have to say, makes sense. Two totally different types of Coaches. Why not bring Saban to Arkansas??
Isn't it time for your nap Privates Lesson? Please don't do it.... Saban to Arkansas??? Kelly to Alabama??? Lolololololololololol
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Quote from: Neckred on October 05, 2017, 12:33:21 pm
Who is Will Hastings?
Played for PA and now is a WR at Auburn. When he committed to play for PA it was a big recruiting victory for the Bruins. It was tough to wait on him for 10 years to actually get to high school but that's part of it.
Quote from: JessieP on October 05, 2017, 11:27:09 am
I never said I believe any of the things on your imbecilic list, I pointed out they are things that people say. You think I'm a PA fan? what year did you graduate Harvard? not too quick on the uptake are you Shar pei15. Funny how you say PA should have to play in the 7A and Greenwood shouldn't, especially since PA has about half the students Greenwood does.
Now sit down Greeny. Putting a delusional Greenwood fan in their place, I should call myself Russellville.
Greenwood has been playing in the 7A for years. They won seven 7A games two years ago with the split conference and haven't lost a 7A game in a bit.
It's now how many you have in enrolled at the school that counts, it's HOW and WHY they are there to begin with. See: IMG, BISHOP GORMAN AND MATER DEI.... Especially IMG.
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Quote from: Red Devil Alum on October 05, 2017, 01:32:12 pm
Played for PA and now is a WR at Auburn. When he committed to play for PA it was a big recruiting victory for the Bruins. It was tough to wait on him for 10 years to actually get to high school but that's part of it.
Exactly, Lolololol!!!
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Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 01:19:20 pm
Isn't it time for your nap Privates Lesson? Please don't do it.... Saban to Arkansas??? Kelly to Alabama??? Lolololololololololol
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Nap? Nah....beauty sleep is over-rated.
Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 01:34:10 pm
Greenwood has been playing in the 7A for years. They won seven 7A games two years ago with the split conference and haven't lost a 7A game in a bit.
It's now how many you have in enrolled at the school that counts, it's HOW and WHY they are there to begin with. See: IMG, BISHOP GORMAN AND MATER DEI.... Especially IMG.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Maybe the Bulldogs ending their last four seasons with a loss is why you are so salty about PA winning. But that is just one guy's observation.
Quote from: Complete Biased PoV on October 05, 2017, 01:59:29 pm
Maybe the Bulldogs ending their last four seasons with a loss is why you are so salty about PA winning. But that is just one guy's observation.
Yes, in the division we should be playing in. Very respectable stings to end the season.
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Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 02:02:22 pm
Yes, in the division we should be playing in. Very respectable stings to end the season.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
I admire someone who takes losing as well as you do.
Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 02:02:22 pm
Yes, in the division we should be playing in. Very respectable stings to end the season.
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I highly doubt Greenwood would use this guy as an indication of their academic prowess. The pea brain doesn't realize that, in his own words, by saying PA should be playing in the 7A and Greenwood is playing in the division they should be (6A) that, quod erat demonstrandum, PA is better the Greenwood.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on October 05, 2017, 02:05:00 pm
I admire someone who takes losing as well as you do.
Thanks! I really do appreciate you noticing and "admiring" our loses.
"Greenwood Bulldogs never lose, they either win or learn." - Ricky Don's Ego
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I believe the sentence in question was illustrative, rather than comparative. Kelley has been very successful at what he does at the 5A high school level in Arkansas. Saban has been very successful at what he does at the SEC and national level. The current Razorback coach has not been very successful at what he is supposed to be doing. Saban never proved he could win in the NFL, so would it be just as delusional to put Saban and Belichick in the same sentence? Both of them, like Kelly, have shown that they can be very successful at a given level, while at the same time being very different types of coaches
The point I was trying to get across was that there are probably a few common denominators shared by coaches at winning programs, at any level. I specifically stated that I didn't believe that Kelly's current scheme would work very well at the SEC level, any more than Saban's current scheme would necessarily work at the NFL level. As the quality of the talent increases, what you can do, and how you can do it, changes. What is common to successful teams is that they use their strengths (whatever they are) to exploit the other team's weaknesses. If anyone has a better explanation of why some teams are consistently better than other teams at a given level, please share it with the rest of us, and we can decide if it is delusional.
Somehow, I doubt the PA, Alabama and Patriot Kool Aid stands are that different. They, like the Bulldogs, have figured out what works for them and they, like their fans, are happy to drink as much Kool Aid as they can. It seems to me that bulldogger15 has proven the truth of the statement that, "When you argue with another wiser than yourself in order that others may admire your wisdom, they will discover your ignorance".
Quote from: Bruin Backer on October 05, 2017, 02:41:32 pm
I believe the sentence in question was illustrative, rather than comparative. Kelley has been very successful at what he does at the 5A high school level in Arkansas. Saban has been very successful at what he does at the SEC and national level. The current Razorback coach has not been very successful at what he is supposed to be doing. Saban never proved he could win in the NFL, so would it be just as delusional to put Saban and Belichick in the same sentence? Both of them, like Kelly, have shown that they can be very successful at a given level, while at the same time being very different types of coaches
The point I was trying to get across was that there are probably a few common denominators shared by coaches at winning programs, at any level. I specifically stated that I didn't believe that Kelly's current scheme would work very well at the SEC level, any more than Saban's current scheme would necessarily work at the NFL level. As the quality of the talent increases, what you can do, and how you can do it, changes. What is common to successful teams is that they use their strengths (whatever they are) to exploit the other team's weaknesses. If anyone has a better explanation of why some teams are consistently better than other teams at a given level, please share it with the rest of us, and we can decide if it is delusional.
Somehow, I doubt the PA, Alabama and Patriot Kool Aid stands are that different. They, like the Bulldogs, have figured out what works for them and they, like their fans, are happy to drink as much Kool Aid as they can. It seems to me that bulldogger15 has proven the truth of the statement that, "When you argue with another wiser than yourself in order that others may admire your wisdom, they will discover your ignorance".
Well said. I'll see your quote as it pertains to bullcrapper15iq and do you one better, "when you chose to debate an ignorant man be warned, you will do so on his terms and facts, you will be outgunned"
Quote from: JessieP on October 05, 2017, 02:18:21 pm
I highly doubt Greenwood would use this guy as an indication of their academic prowess. The pea brain doesn't realize that, in his own words, by saying PA should be playing in the 7A and Greenwood is playing in the division they should be (6A) that, quod erat demonstrandum, PA is better the Greenwood.
Please don't judge Greenwood based on Bullcrapper15.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 08:57:02 pm
He should show us all just how wrong we are and move up in the coaching world.
yes go now today
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 04, 2017, 09:11:03 pm
Are you sure the I formation isn't working great still? I mean, BB is crushing it at Arkansas.
I completely agree. In high school especially. I think it's going to be very common in high school soon. We won't see it in the NFL though. Or major college football.
Remember though, the classic I formation is still going strong. Alabama has recently dominated with it. Although they are slowly adapting to the new type of football. That's what great coaches do.
i think what great coaches do is adapt to what talent they have when they are not able to recruit players that fit their system.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 05, 2017, 03:02:12 pm
Please don't judge Greenwood based on Bullcrapper15.
Besides bullcrapper15iq I have found Greenwood fans to be quite knowledgeable about football and very gracious. Very similar to most PA fans. When you win year in and year out you don't feel the need to taunt. This guy is a lone wolf nut case.
Quote from: stinger1 on October 05, 2017, 03:19:55 pm
i think what great coaches do is adapt to what talent they have when they are not able to recruit players that fit their system.
+1
A well worn adage is a mind is a terrible thing to waste. It is encouraging to see that even a village idiot can learn to type. What a wonderful world.
Quote from: JessieP on October 05, 2017, 03:22:06 pm
Besides bullcrapper15iq I have found Greenwood fans to be quite knowledgeable about football and very gracious. Very similar to most PA fans. When you win year in and year out you don't feel the need to taunt. This guy is a lone wolf nut case.
JessieJane, this is a forum to TAUNT!!!
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When I first read the title of this thread I thought it was one of those, "we are board, just to make you laugh kind of topics." Heck I had no idea some would take it serious! To think the solution to the Razorback football problems can be solved by hiring a high school coach that has never coached a college game at any level...if you can say that aloud with a straight face you're nuttier than the idea itself! There is absolutely nothing he can put on his resume that would indicate he was capable of running a program in a P-5 Conference...nothing, nadda, zilch...If he is let some other school play mad scientist and hire him. We need a coach that knows what he's doing from DAY 1! No more on the job training!!
Is it me, or did a certain post on this thread disappear?
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on October 06, 2017, 12:09:19 pm
Is it me, or did a certain post on this thread disappear?
That poster had to hustle over to WMS to peddle Dr. Peppers :D
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on October 06, 2017, 12:09:19 pm
Is it me, or did a certain post on this thread disappear?
Little early in the day, isn't it? ;) :D
Quote from: bulldogger15 on October 05, 2017, 05:05:11 pm
JessieJane, this is a forum to TAUNT!!!
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Oh, it's a place to taunt? why didn't anyone say so? Hey bullcrapper15iq, how did the past 3 seasons end for you? I guess you are correct about one thing, you can't compare PA to Greenwood. PA finishes.
GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO RUSSELLVILLE!!!
Why are you defending PA..... if you aren't from PA? What's your deal with Greenwood? Both are top football programs.
Quote from: JessieP on October 06, 2017, 12:59:46 pm
Oh, it's a place to taunt? why didn't anyone say so? Hey bullcrapper15iq, how did the past 3 seasons end for you? I guess you are correct about one thing, you can't compare PA to Greenwood. PA finishes.
GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO RUSSELLVILLE!!!
The money shot!
Quote from: JessieP on October 06, 2017, 12:59:46 pm
Oh, it's a place to taunt? why didn't anyone say so? Hey bullcrapper15iq, how did the past 3 seasons end for you? I guess you are correct about one thing, you can't compare PA to Greenwood. PA finishes.
GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO PINE BLUFF!!! GO RUSSELLVILLE!!!
Past 4 seasons. Pine Bluff, El Dorado, Pine Bluff, Russellville.
Quote from: Complete Biased PoV on October 06, 2017, 01:05:47 pm
Past 4 seasons. Pine Bluff, El Dorado, Pine Bluff, Russellville.
True... but y'all don't play Pine Bluff, El Dorado, Pine Bluff, Russellville....now do ya?
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 06, 2017, 01:01:38 pm
Why are you defending PA..... if you aren't from PA? What's your deal with Greenwood? Both are top football programs.
I'm referring to a specific individual who came on this thread and started hurling insults at people. A blow hard that was throwing Greenwoods perceived dominance in everyone's face. I have no issue with Greenwood nor love for PA. I respect both programs, this individual blitzed the discussion with taunts, insults and ridicule. And you are correct, I am not from PA. I am also a fan of the New England Patriots and the Los Angeles Lakers and I have never played for either one. I have great admiration for Seal Team 6 and the military in general, you got it...nope and nope. My 2 favorite all-time tv shows are The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, not Italian, never in the mafia, not a chemistry genius, never a teacher, never manufactured or sold meth. I also love stand-up comedians and my wife tells me daily I'm not funny. Any other questions?
Quote from: Wonderdog on October 05, 2017, 01:00:02 am
We will never know what Kelley can accomplish in other programs (high school or college) until he shows us. He has a great thing going at PA. It would be tough for any coach that has built a program like he has to part ways with it. We will probably never find out what he and his analytics could produce anywhere outside of PA as intriguing as it may be.
+1..... I think Kelly's "analytics" would fail anywhere else.
His protege tried it at a public school.....disaster.
Quote from: Neckred on October 05, 2017, 12:33:21 pm
Who is Will Hastings?
Go look at the SEC receiver stats and find out for yourself.
Quote from: JessieP on October 06, 2017, 01:13:27 pm
I'm referring to a specific individual who came on this thread and started hurling insults at people. A blow hard that was throwing Greenwoods perceived dominance in everyone's face. I have no issue with Greenwood nor love for PA. I respect both programs, this individual blitzed the discussion with taunts, insults and ridicule. And you are correct, I am not from PA. I am also a fan of the New England Patriots and the Los Angeles Lakers and I have never played for either one. I have great admiration for Seal Team 6 and the military in general, you got it...nope and nope. My 2 favorite all-time tv shows are The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, not Italian, never in the mafia, not a chemistry genius, never a teacher, never manufactured or sold meth. I also love stand-up comedians and my wife tells me daily I'm not funny. Any other questions?
Goodness......I didn't ask for your life history. lol
Quote from: nomorewhining on October 06, 2017, 01:14:03 pm
+1..... I think Kelly's "analytics" would fail anywhere else.
His protege tried it at a public school.....disaster.
Protege's are like son's of coaches. Usually not near as good
All comparisons fall void in certain respects. College is different from HS, too.
Quote from: PA Dad on October 04, 2017, 08:55:30 pm
Before Kelley, everyone said the same things about high school football and some still do. Frank Broyles said the spread would never work at the college level.
Never say never.
I think Broyles' comment was that it wouldn't work in the SEC. I personally think the Spread equalizes the talent somewhat but look who has ruled the roost in the SEC for the past decade....Bama is not a spread team.
Kelley would fail as a college D-1 Coach, what he does is successful at the "private level" where you can recruit to the program. It would be interesting to see him coach at a place like Forrest City or Nettleton, Jacksonville etc.. where he had to take what the district has to offer and play with those kids. I know everyone will jump on my recruiting comment but lets face it....truth.
Quote from: Leadbelly on October 06, 2017, 04:27:12 pm
I think Broyles' comment was that it wouldn't work in the SEC. I personally think the Spread equalizes the talent somewhat but look who has ruled the roost in the SEC for the past decade....Bama is not a spread team.
Kelley would fail as a college D-1 Coach, what he does is successful at the "private level" where you can recruit to the program. It would be interesting to see him coach at a place like Forrest City or Nettleton, Jacksonville etc.. where he had to take what the district has to offer and play with those kids. I know everyone will jump on my recruiting comment but lets face it....truth.
I don't think his AD would approve Coach moving to another 5A school ;)
Quote from: Leadbelly on October 06, 2017, 04:27:12 pm
I think Broyles' comment was that it wouldn't work in the SEC. I personally think the Spread equalizes the talent somewhat but look who has ruled the roost in the SEC for the past decade....Bama is not a spread team.
Kelley would fail as a college D-1 Coach, what he does is successful at the "private level" where you can recruit to the program. It would be interesting to see him coach at a place like Forrest City or Nettleton, Jacksonville etc.. where he had to take what the district has to offer and play with those kids. I know everyone will jump on my recruiting comment but lets face it....truth.
Very true statement, Kelley is a very good coach, but he would not make it without the option of handpicking athletes, and he definitely would not make it at the D-1 level. It would be a very big learning curve for him at the college level.
Quote from: JacketFan on October 06, 2017, 05:01:32 pm
Very true statement, Kelley is a very good coach, but he would not make it without the option of handpicking athletes, and he definitely would not make it at the D-1 level. It would be a very big learning curve for him at the college level.
I don't think so, anytime you change positions there is a learning curve but I think you underestimate his knowledge base
Yeah boy. I sure would like to see Kelley coaching the Hogs. If Malzahn can do it so can Kelley. You doubters and haters are football dinosaurs. It's a passing game because DB's can't cover. We'd take a few knocks early but eventually we'd win big.
Coach Kelley is a great HS coach at PA. I honestly have no idea if the no punting and onside kick system would work at a major college program. What I do know is that if an AD at a major program hired a coach directly from high school with a system like this and it didn't work, that AD is as good as fired.
UNLV hired a HC directly from HS (he coached at Bishop-Gorman, an extremely successful HS program) a few years ago and it has been a complete failure. I'm not comparing that coach to KK or UNLV to Arkansas, but success in HS does not always translate to success in college.
Analytics do not account for the human element....aka momentum....you fail on side
Kicks and 4th downs you're going to fail...Pulaski 9 times out of 10 is the more talented team...and if not he has kids who can spend the time prepping. He can't do that in college. The guy hasn't even taken over a head coaching job at a big school...
Quote from: War Eagle on October 06, 2017, 10:53:29 pm
Coach Kelley is a great HS coach at PA. I honestly have no idea if the no punting and onside kick system would work at a major college program. What I do know is that if an AD at a major program hired a coach directly from high school with a system like this and it didn't work, that AD is as good as fired.
UNLV hired a HC directly from HS (he coached at Bishop-Gorman, an extremely successful HS program) a few years ago and it has been a complete failure. I'm not comparing that coach to KK or UNLV to Arkansas, but success in HS does not always translate to success in college.
He would sell more than 36000 seats in War Memorial Stadium for the season opener like we did this year. This AD we got likes that. The recognition, and publicity for this innovative coach with the highly controversial system as shown on ESPN. I'd watch wouldn't you? The whole college football world would.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 06, 2017, 11:43:53 pm
He would sell more than 36000 seats in War Memorial Stadium for the season opener like we did this year. This AD we got likes that. The recognition, and publicity for this innovative coach with the highly controversial system as shown on ESPN. I'd watch wouldn't you? The whole college football world would.
I would watch. And I have no doubt it would draw interest and attention. If it doesn't work out, it will cost the AD his job. It is all about wins and losses in the end.
Whenever any power 5 team fires a coach, most of the fan base immediately wants a big name hire. No matter how successful a coach is in high school, no P5 fan base will consider a HS coach a "big name" hire. The AD would be staking his reputation to the HS coach succeeding. I'm not saying KK shouldn't coach in college or that he would fail if he did, I am simply saying that there is not an AD in America that can survive the backlash if it doesn't work out.
Imagine how crazy the AR fan base would be if the no punt/onside kick system lost them a game that they should have otherwise won. People would go insane.
Quote from: War Eagle on October 06, 2017, 11:56:51 pm
I would watch. And I have no doubt it would draw interest and attention. If it doesn't work out, it will cost the AD his job. It
Whenever any power 5 team fires a coach, most of the fan base immediately wants a big name hire. No matter how successful a coach is in high school, no P5 fan base will consider a HS coach a "big name" hire. The AD would be staking his reputation to the HS coach succeeding. I'm not saying KK shouldn't coach in college or that he would fail if he did, I am simply saying that there is not an AD in America that can survive the backlash if it doesn't work out.
Imagine how crazy the AR fan base would be if the no punt/onside kick system lost them a game that they should have otherwise won. People would go insane.
You don't know Jeff Long😟
Quote from: JacketFan on October 06, 2017, 05:01:32 pm
Very true statement, Kelley is a very good coach, but he would not make it without the option of handpicking athletes, and he definitely would not make it at the D-1 level. It would be a very big learning curve for him at the college level.
I wonder what he would do if he hand-picked athletes. Wouldn't that be something. Right now he coaches kids whose parents hand-picked this school in the elementary years.
Let's not start this consistently debunked recruiting allegation.
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 06, 2017, 10:27:43 pm
Yeah boy. I sure would like to see Kelley coaching the Hogs. If Malzahn can do it so can Kelley. You doubters and haters are football dinosaurs. It's a passing game because DB's can't cover. We'd take a few knocks early but eventually we'd win big.
Wow, great point. I'm glad you brought us up to speed. I mean I had no idea. Bringing the forward pass to college football? he might win a Noble prize. Exactly how ignorant are you?
Quote from: War Eagle on October 07, 2017, 12:01:10 am
You think Long could survive that?
Jeff has survived us not really competing for a title since he got here up to this point. Maybe he should just play it safe so we can continue like we have or maybe he'll feel the heat and think outside the box. These next 3 games for the Hogs should decide some fates that's for sure.
Quote from: JessieP on October 07, 2017, 12:37:54 am
Wow, great point. I'm glad you brought us up to speed. I mean I had no idea. Bringing the forward pass to college football? he might win a Noble prize. Exactly how ignorant are you?
I think there is no chance Long could survive another failed football hire. AR fans will call for some big name coach after BB. Responding with a HS coach would have AR fans marching with torches and pitchforks, especially if it didn't pan out
Quote from: Yellowcake on October 07, 2017, 12:08:58 am
I wonder what he would do if he hand-picked athletes. Wouldn't that be something. Right now he coaches kids whose parents hand-picked this school in the elementary years.
Let's not start this consistently debunked recruiting allegation.
Speaking of, how did y'all miss out on #3 from LRCA?! kid had to be good in elementary. He slipped through the cracks.
Quote from: MDXPHD on October 07, 2017, 06:39:45 am
Speaking of, how did y'all miss out on #3 from LRCA?! kid had to be good in elementary. He slipped through the cracks.
Some parents/kids just can't be bought or bribed. Some just want to watch the world burn.
My PA friends aren't going to like this when I say it....
Rick Jones would make a better College Coach (out of the box) before Kevin Kelley would. My opinion.
Quote from: RD™ on October 07, 2017, 08:11:24 am
My PA friends aren't going to like this when I say it....
Rick Jones would make a better College Coach (out of the box) before Kevin Kelley would. My opinion.
throwing ole Bulldogger a bone? :D
Quote from: Overdahill on October 07, 2017, 08:28:38 am
throwing ole Bulldogger a bone? :D
I don't associate with that blabbering idiot.
Quote from: RD™ on October 07, 2017, 08:49:37 am
I don't associate with that blabbering idiot.
Dawg, are you lost? You haven't dropped down to 5A yet. Think this will happen???
Quote from: Overdahill on October 07, 2017, 08:28:38 am
throwing ole Bulldogger a bone? :D
LOL! That dude can stir up stuff all on his own.
Quote from: RD™ on October 07, 2017, 08:11:24 am
My PA friends aren't going to like this when I say it....
Rick Jones would make a better College Coach (out of the box) before Kevin Kelley would. My opinion.
+1 and if most were honest they would agree.
Bobby Petrino has success at Arkansas and he was very offensive minded and brung in a lot of talented players year in year out. I honestly think Coach Kelly could get the job done but it would take a few years on the college first.
Quote from: PrivateLesson on October 07, 2017, 09:29:50 am
+1 and if most were honest they would agree.
Not arguing (yet) just wondering why you guys think that?
I cannot believe some people still take this seriously. Success at a mid-division high school and success at a D1 college are night and day. It's comparing apples to lead pencils. It's a moronic idea that no one would dare attempt. If your so gung ho to see Arkansas hire a high school coach to shake things up then why not look at the Florida, Texas or California top division schools? no one ever has compared PA to a Bishop Gorman, De Matha or De La Salle. The fan who posted this originally has a bizarre infatuation with Kelly. I mean he/she actually thinks it would be a good idea, that in and of itself is laughable. Please keep in mind Kelly's success is limited to the 5A. Never mind your Long Beach Poly's or East Plano's PA has never been considered the top dog in Arkansas. Just take your accomplishments and enjoy them, they are without question admirable. Just don't start thinking your the biggest dog on the block, there are much much much bigger fish out there in much much much bigger ponds. Here's a thought, if Arkansas hires Kelly what would the rest of the SEC do? after they stopped laughing they could hire the coach of East Salt Lake, he had absolutely no problem figuring out the genius that is PA.
^^ I can't believe some people take seriously the people who take this seriously ::) I know i don't
I do believe we would score more sometimes. Our offense can't get much worse...this game is hard to watch.
This is a fun topic just to see the reaction. It will never happen so why fret over it?
Today's UA game proves any change in leadership could not be much worse.
Quote from: PA Bruin Fan on October 07, 2017, 03:43:54 pm
Not arguing (yet) just wondering why you guys think that?
I won't argue :) but I will discuss my opinion.....Football to me should be somewhat even in all areas. PA's main objective it seems is just to out score your opponents without stopping your opponents defensively..... leading to a game such as last nights with a very high score. PA also tries to take advantage by making less mistakes. All teams want that but in college you would have to have a pretty good defensive line because I can guarantee a team like Alabama and others will. Greenwood and how they utilize all players seems to fit more of a well rounded football team. Maybe it's more of a style of football that I like.....an example would be Wynne, hard-nosed smashmouth football. Idk.....Just one girls opinion. :)
Quote from: War Eagle on October 07, 2017, 01:18:49 am
I think there is no chance Long could survive another failed football hire. AR fans will call for some big name coach after BB. Responding with a HS coach would have AR fans marching with torches and pitchforks, especially if it didn't pan out
AD's at Arkansas have never been held accountable for the quality of their football coaches and the wins on the field. If they had Broyles would have been canned for some of his hires a long time ago. Their goal is cash to the program and happy wealthy donors who have a comfy box suite to watch the games at.
Lots of comments but a whole lotta hate. In the Sec if you don't have the biggest and strongest then you better throw it. Our most successful teams since we've been in this conference have been with Malzahn, McFadden and the wildcat which was innovative for the time and Petrino, Mallett and the 3 stud receivers we had that year. Our defense was average at best and we still competed. It's time to go small and fast instead of big and slow.
I think any AD at the college level would be justifiably skeptical whether Kelley's aggressive style would work in college football.
I would like to see Kelley as an Offensive Coordinator at Arkansas.
Part of PA's success is that they are heavily focused on detail and consistency. For example, the PA WR's on the opposite side of the field from the play, run their route correctly every play; they don't "3 steps & watch".
Part of the struggle with the modern college athlete is getting them to focus on "details", when these details didn't matter in their high school career. My experience (the last couple of years observing D2 teams) is that roughly 1/4 of each recruiting class can't make the mental transition from high school to college technique.
Kelley would possibly bring that focus to detail; to that little bit of discipline that separates success from failure.
I can't say with certainty that Kelley would be successful at Arkansas. But somebody out there is the next Gus.... ;)
Ok, I have learned to both respect and appreciate what Kelly has accomplished at PA. Although the vast majority of people realize this thread was started hypothetically there are still many who believe it would be a good idea, give me a break. It's a moronic idea and anyone who knows anything about football or is in a position to make such decisions knows it as well.
Yes, the whole Public school/Private school debate has been discussed ad nauseam but there is one glaring point that has never been refuted or denied. That one point just happens to be what statistically can explain much, not all, of PA's success. That point is lack of boundaries. Kevin Kelly is not handcuffed by district boundaries. The emergence of LRCA is now the proof of the glaring advantage private schools have. The financial advantages have been debated, the recruiting issue has been debated, the lack of limited boundaries cannot be debated. It is a massive advantage. Do you not think that in the area around Nettleton, Valley View and Jonesboro couldn't field a Super Team? if there was a school that had PA's resources, academic respect and wanted to build a football powerhouse, they could match PA's success.
Someone from PA once commented there were players on the team that lived 20 miles from the school, that would allow Wynne to draw some players from Forrest City, you think that would be a force? Batesville has 4 teams within that 20 mile radius.
Just a day or two ago someone ask if Kelly were at Forrest City or Paragould would he be able to achieve the same results? we all know that is a resounding NO. Another poster recently said the recruiting issue has been debunked, it hasn't been proven but it hasn't been debunked. If the "PA recruits" issue were a criminal case there isn't enough proof to convict. If it were a civil case it could possibly lose.
The thing that makes a lot of our blood boil is when people post "they win because they work harder" or "they win because of Kelly's genius". Those statement are false. PA is an outstanding football team with outstanding coaches. I myself applaud their success. They work hard (no harder) and have great coaches (like other teams) they are 3 time champs and no one can take that from them. Before we start building statues and hand him the keys to any D1 school let's see if he can work his magic at a public school where you have to work with who lives in the district.
Quote from: JessieP on October 08, 2017, 11:57:42 am
Ok, I have learned to both respect and appreciate what Kelly has accomplished at PA. Although the vast majority of people realize this thread was started hypothetically there are still many who believe it would be a good idea, give me a break. It's a moronic idea and anyone who knows anything about football or is in a position to make such decisions knows it as well.
Yes, the whole Public school/Private school debate has been discussed ad nauseam but there is one glaring point that has never been refuted or denied. That one point just happens to be what statistically can explain much, not all, of PA's success. That point is lack of boundaries. Kevin Kelly is not handcuffed by district boundaries. The emergence of LRCA is now the proof of the glaring advantage private schools have. The financial advantages have been debated, the recruiting issue has been debated, the lack of limited boundaries cannot be debated. It is a massive advantage. Do you not think that in the area around Nettleton, Valley View and Jonesboro couldn't field a Super Team? if there was a school that had PA's resources, academic respect and wanted to build a football powerhouse, they could match PA's success.
Someone from PA once commented there were players on the team that lived 20 miles from the school, that would allow Wynne to draw some players from Forrest City, you think that would be a force? Batesville has 4 teams within that 20 mile radius.
Just a day or two ago someone ask if Kelly were at Forrest City or Paragould would he be able to achieve the same results? we all know that is a resounding NO. Another poster recently said the recruiting issue has been debunked, it hasn't been proven but it hasn't been debunked. If the "PA recruits" issue were a criminal case there isn't enough proof to convict. If it were a civil case it could possibly lose.
The thing that makes a lot of our blood boil is when people post "they win because they work harder" or "they win because of Kelly's genius". Those statement are false. PA is an outstanding football team with outstanding coaches. I myself applaud their success. They work hard (no harder) and have great coaches (like other teams) they are 3 time champs and no one can take that from them. Before we start building statues and hand him the keys to any D1 school let's see if he can work his magic at a public school where you have to work with who lives in the district.
If this is "football genius", then I am happy to be a moron.
What is sad is that
JessieP is illustrating the current view that it is "all about talent". No thought of o-line technique, or defensive stunt choices.
SO, you think NO ONE has ever moved their kid to Batesville to be part of their football program?
Quote from: Overdahill on October 07, 2017, 05:29:12 pm
^^ I can't believe some people take seriously the people who take this seriously ::) I know i don't
You are the type of person that, just because it was always done one way that means that is the right way. Never say never. Explore your horizon and take up challenges. Get off your computer and go get some fresh air or travel the world for that matter.
He could bring his talent for recruiting big O-lineman as the current staff at the UofA seem to not be able to recruit SEC caliber lineman. Kelley seems to always have big lineman and this year is no exception but not sure he could withstand the pay cut he would take to leave PA.
I see a lot of people saying you can't do this or that because the college game is different. Well, they said that about the high school game until coach Kelly proved them wrong. You play to win, you don't play to not lose
Kelly can't even get a job at a lower tier college, much less an SEC gig. This is laughable. Nick Saban would destroy all these gimmicks. ::) ::) ::)
High voltage you lost any credibility you might have had when last week before Bert lost "bigly" to USC you claimed the hogs would have victories over them and Alabama
Quote from: cuckoobird on October 09, 2017, 08:02:36 am
High voltage you lost any credibility you might have had when last week before Bert lost "bigly" to USC you claimed the hogs would have victories over them and Alabama
Yeah, because everyone on here is so "Credible". Haha
Gus was not the HC at Tulsa. Gus and Kelly had great programs to coach in HS aided by the private school factor. Gus has since done well but not compared to his Shiloh years. Kelly would have to deal with teams just or quite possibly more talented and then he will not be the dominant force he currently is. He would face much better defenses and that would slow down some of his stuff. I don't think going straight to SEC head coach is good for UA.
Quote from: JessieP on October 08, 2017, 11:57:42 am
Ok, I have learned to both respect and appreciate what Kelly has accomplished at PA. Although the vast majority of people realize this thread was started hypothetically there are still many who believe it would be a good idea, give me a break. It's a moronic idea and anyone who knows anything about football or is in a position to make such decisions knows it as well.
Yes, the whole Public school/Private school debate has been discussed ad nauseam but there is one glaring point that has never been refuted or denied. That one point just happens to be what statistically can explain much, not all, of PA's success. That point is lack of boundaries. Kevin Kelly is not handcuffed by district boundaries. The emergence of LRCA is now the proof of the glaring advantage private schools have. The financial advantages have been debated, the recruiting issue has been debated, the lack of limited boundaries cannot be debated. It is a massive advantage. Do you not think that in the area around Nettleton, Valley View and Jonesboro couldn't field a Super Team? if there was a school that had PA's resources, academic respect and wanted to build a football powerhouse, they could match PA's success.
Someone from PA once commented there were players on the team that lived 20 miles from the school, that would allow Wynne to draw some players from Forrest City, you think that would be a force? Batesville has 4 teams within that 20 mile radius.
Just a day or two ago someone ask if Kelly were at Forrest City or Paragould would he be able to achieve the same results? we all know that is a resounding NO. Another poster recently said the recruiting issue has been debunked, it hasn't been proven but it hasn't been debunked. If the "PA recruits" issue were a criminal case there isn't enough proof to convict. If it were a civil case it could possibly lose.
The thing that makes a lot of our blood boil is when people post "they win because they work harder" or "they win because of Kelly's genius". Those statement are false. PA is an outstanding football team with outstanding coaches. I myself applaud their success. They work hard (no harder) and have great coaches (like other teams) they are 3 time champs and no one can take that from them. Before we start building statues and hand him the keys to any D1 school let's see if he can work his magic at a public school where you have to work with who lives in the district.
You make the longest winded posts on Fearless....ever. ;D
Why do wish to see what Kelly can do in the public setting? A coach is a coach. It shouldn't make any difference if he is at a private or public school.
People keep forgetting about freedom of choice.
I wouldn't say coach Kelly has far better talent than the teams he plays but I will say they are far better disciplined and play like they can be sitting the bench the next week if they don't produce because that's actually what will happen for half hearted efforts
The discipline is key at a private program, in Arkansas and across the nation. There are some of the highly rated schools across the country that are private schools and have that same advantage. Mom and dad expect more, the school leadership can demand more and it carries over to athletics is many cases. No, I don't think Kelly would be as great at a typical public school. Put him at a place like Berryville, Cave City, Mansfield for instance and see what he does.
Quote from: High Voltage on October 09, 2017, 07:27:02 am
Kelly can't even get a job at a lower tier college, much less an SEC gig. This is laughable. Nick Saban would destroy all these gimmicks. ::) ::) ::)
Do you remember how everyone mocked Gus Malzahn? I do. I think they called him High School". Lol. Then he went to Auburn as OC, gets Cam Newton who won the Heisman and wins the National Championship kicking Saban's tail and Gene Chizik is a great coach. Lol. Malzahn leaves, Chizik loses and gets fired. Malzahn comes back and goes to the National Championship game as head coach. He was mocked just like you are doing to Kelley.
Kelley should be our new Head Coach. Don't train him to be someone else's like we did Gus Malzahn, Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, etc...
Quote from: Mijally2 on October 10, 2017, 09:33:49 pm
Do you remember how everyone mocked Gus Malzahn? I do. I think they called him High School". Lol. Then he went to Auburn as OC, gets Cam Newton who won the Heisman and wins the National Championship kicking Saban's tail and Gene Chizik is a great coach. Lol. Malzahn leaves, Chizik loses and gets fired. Malzahn comes back and goes to the National Championship game as head coach. He was mocked just like you are doing to Kelley.
Kelley should be our new Head Coach. Don't train him to be someone else's like we did Gus Malzahn, Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, etc...
lol, okay and it would be John L Smith all over.
So, it would be no worse than Bert but paying half the money? Sounds like a good plan to me
Malzahn is a good coach, I don't think anybody doubts that but he isn't infallible like some think . He makes mistakes and he struggles at times like all coaches. He's had some good and some bad years.
I don't think Kelly needs to go straight to SEC college HC. Different animal, different job.