Monday February 12
Girls
8 Stuttgart over 9 Baptist Prep
Boys
8 CAC over 9 Heber Springs in OT
Tuesday February 13
4:00
Girls - 8 Stuttgart vs 1 CAC
5:15
Boys - 8 CAC vs 1 Southside Batesville
6:30
Girls - 7 Heber Springs vs 2 Lonoke
7:45
Boys - 7 Lonoke vs 2 Baptist Prep
Did Batesville Southside win?
Yes by about 20 or so
47-18 final. For Southside boys
Lonoke girls 56-35 winners
Baptist Prep boys up 29-25 on Lonoke mid 3q
BP boys on a big run to end the 3q. Up 47-30 on Lonoke
Tuesday Feb 13
Girls - 1 CAC over 8 Stuttgart
Boys - 1 Southside Batesville over 8 CAC
Girls - 2 Lonoke over 7 Heber Springs
Boys - 2 Baptist Prep over 7 Lonoke
Wednesday Feb 14
4:00 Girls
6 Helena vs 3 Riverview
5:15 Boys
6 Riverview vs 3 Helena
6:30 Girls
5 Southside Batesville vs 4 ESTEM
7:45 Boys
5 ESTEM vs 4 Stuttgart
Girls Halftime
Riverview 33
Helena 17
Girls End of 3rd
Riverview 51
Helena 27
Girls Final
Riverview 64
Helena 44
Boys Halftime
Riverview 31
Helena 25
Quote from: Uncle Tupelo on February 14, 2018, 06:09:19 pm
Boys Halftime
Riverview 31
Helena 25
hmmm. Thanks for updates.
1:15 left
Riverview 59
Helena 45
Boys Final
Riverview 62
Helena 47
Girls in 1st
Southside 9
Estem 2
4:30 left in 2nd
Southside 9
Estem 9
Girls Halftime
Estem 22
Southside 17
Quote from: Uncle Tupelo on February 14, 2018, 06:43:12 pm
Boys Final
Riverview 62
Helena 47
this is a little unexpected isn't it? I suppose the guy complaining that HWH should have been a no. 1 seed won't be back posting anytime soon.
Girls after 3rd
Estem 35
Southside 29
Girls Final
Estem 53
Southside 37
Quote from: LRRandy on February 14, 2018, 07:28:35 pm
this is a little unexpected isn't it? I suppose the guy complaining that HWH should have been a no. 1 seed won't be back posting anytime soon.
Tournament time you never know.
ESTEM- Stuttgart score ?
Quote from: Livewire on February 14, 2018, 10:47:26 pm
ESTEM- Stuttgart score ?
I heard Estem won 56-44 over Stuttgart
And this is exactly what I dislike about the 2-4A District Tournament this year Great Season For Stuttgart and West Helena going down the drain by horrible seeding. And somebody got to lose. Maybe the District is that tough I don't know But I know that those two teams easily can make the regionals over the 8-4A side.
Here I am and I will still say on this forum and other places that Helena should have had the number one seed for the reasons previously stated on this board and at this link http://www.helena-arkansas.com/news/20180209/fair-play-isnt-rule-of-day. When you have the kind of season the Cougars had with only one loss to a ranked team before Christmas and a district title, you should be the top seed that gives you a first round game where you probably survive a lackluster performance. Instead, we were rewarded with a game against the host team for the tournament that had over 20 wins. Just not right. Having said that, Riverview is a good basketball team that controlled the tempo and deserved to win last night. This discussion of the seeding process and the result shouldn't take away from their great performance last night.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 07:10:47 am
Here I am and I will still say on this forum and other places that Helena should have had the number one seed for the reasons previously stated on this board and at this link http://www.helena-arkansas.com/news/20180209/fair-play-isnt-rule-of-day. When you have the kind of season the Cougars had with only one loss to a ranked team before Christmas and a district title, you should be the top seed that gives you a first round game where you probably survive a lackluster performance. Instead, we were rewarded with a game against the host team for the tournament that had over 20 wins. Just not right. Having said that, Riverview is a good basketball team that controlled the tempo and deserved to win last night. This discussion of the seeding process and the result shouldn't take away from their great performance last night.
I think it speaks to several things. The mixed 3a/4a districts has been a debacle. How can you have a "district" tournament with teams that have not seen each other in the regular season? How is Riverview the 6 seed, is this district that deep? Having to play 3a schools in the regular season does nothing for a team wanting to toughen up for a post season run. The seeding process in this district was tough to do. You are complaining about Helena's number three seed. How about being the number one ranked 4a team in the state all year and not being the number one seed in your district. It's unfortunate for the teams that get knocked out early. I can't speak to it being deserved or not because I don't know how strong Helena and Stuttgart are because even though they are in our district tournament we have never seen them or played them. I'm glad the format changes next year. At least it will go back to districts where you play the teams in the season that you will face in the poatseason.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 07:10:47 am
Here I am and I will still say on this forum and other places that Helena should have had the number one seed for the reasons previously stated on this board and at this link http://www.helena-arkansas.com/news/20180209/fair-play-isnt-rule-of-day. When you have the kind of season the Cougars had with only one loss to a ranked team before Christmas and a district title, you should be the top seed that gives you a first round game where you probably survive a lackluster performance. Instead, we were rewarded with a game against the host team for the tournament that had over 20 wins. Just not right. Having said that, Riverview is a good basketball team that controlled the tempo and deserved to win last night. This discussion of the seeding process and the result shouldn't take away from their great performance last night.
Just one observation from the article. The writer claims Southside had the worst conference loss which was to Tuckerman. Tuckerman beat the team that took HWH out twice this year. I'll be waiting for his retraction.
For the second year in a row this District Tournament has three Conference Champions. With blended conference structure and allowing coaches to decide seedings you will always have disagreement since the seeds were not decided on the court. At the end of the day you just have to win, survive, and advance no matter who you have to play. This is by far the toughest district and the Regional will be just as tough. There are two teams that saw their season end that had potential to win some games at both regionals and state.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 07:10:47 am
Here I am and I will still say on this forum and other places that Helena should have had the number one seed for the reasons previously stated on this board and at this link http://www.helena-arkansas.com/news/20180209/fair-play-isnt-rule-of-day. When you have the kind of season the Cougars had with only one loss to a ranked team before Christmas and a district title, you should be the top seed that gives you a first round game where you probably survive a lackluster performance. Instead, we were rewarded with a game against the host team for the tournament that had over 20 wins. Just not right. Having said that, Riverview is a good basketball team that controlled the tempo and deserved to win last night. This discussion of the seeding process and the result shouldn't take away from their great performance last night.
Strongly agree preach brother now again I have said that about Riverview if they would have lost except for the number one seed part and Stuttgart and Estem if they would have lost not to take away a good game by Riverview and Estem
Wednesday Feb 14
Girls - 3 Riverview over 6 Helena
Boys - 6 Riverview over 3 Helena
Girls - 4 ESTEM over 5 Southside
Boys - 5 ESTEM over 4 Stuttgart
Thursday Feb 15
Girls 4:00
1 CAC vs 4 ESTEM
Boys 5:15
1 Southside Batesville vs 4 ESTEM
Girls 6:30
2 Lonoke vs 3 Riverview
Boys 7:45
2 Baptist Prep vs 6 Riverview
The top 6 seeds in this district could easily be the undisputed #1 seed and team in other districts
Quote from: Outoftownfan on February 15, 2018, 07:57:59 am
Just one observation from the article. The writer claims Southside had the worst conference loss which was to Tuckerman. Tuckerman beat the team that took HWH out twice this year. I'll be waiting for his retraction.
Helena-West Helena only lost two games this year. Once to Stuttgart on December 15 and then last night against Riverview. No one beat them twice.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 09:52:00 am
Helena-West Helena only lost two games this year. Once to Stuttgart on December 15 and then last night against Riverview. No one beat them twice.
Why don't you look at who was ranked above you and who they had on their schedule? Helena played Marianna Lee 5 times- who sucks......you didn't play or beat any teams the caliber of what Southside did. Schedule is a factor in determining seating. Really, some of you get on here mouthing off about what you don't know. Who did Stuttgart play in comparison to Southside, Riverview, or Baptist Prep? You were seeded right where you needed to be. And you got beat because Southside and Riverview play tougher competition and are better than either Helena or Stuttgart. Stop your crying. Begin preparing for next year. ::)
Quote from: Bbal789 on February 15, 2018, 09:13:09 am
The top 6 seeds in this district could easily be the undisputed #1 seed and team in other districts
SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA but they aren't...
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Quote from: (((Subi2Sweet))) on February 15, 2018, 10:24:16 am
SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA but they aren't...
sweet, you got your panties all wadded up over this conference inferiority complex of yours. The state tournament will be the place for all of this to play out. Relax. Enjoy the games. We will see who standing at the end.
Quote from: bballfan1 on February 15, 2018, 10:03:02 am
And you got beat because Southside and Riverview play tougher competition and are better than either Helena or Stuttgart.
Stuttgart beat Riverview earlier in the year, so, obviously not better than Stuttgart. :)
Well 6 teams in that tournament had 20 or more wins. It is hard to say which should have been the one seed. You could have most likely made a case for each one, however if you are claiming to be a one seed you should still beat a 6 seed. It's the nature of tournament play you have to buckle up and go play. It has been complained about several years how conference and regionals line up. Does it stink yes. But that's how it it's if you should be a 1 seed you should take care of a 6. Unless all of those teams have a case for higher seeds.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 09:52:00 am
Helena-West Helena only lost two games this year. Once to Stuttgart on December 15 and then last night against Riverview. No one beat them twice.
and now nobody can beat them twice since season is over
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 am
Stuttgart beat Riverview earlier in the year, so, obviously not better than Stuttgart. :)
Got to win when it matters!
When will the finals be played?
Quote from: LRRandy on February 15, 2018, 11:21:08 am
sweet, you got your panties all wadded up over this conference inferiority complex of yours. The state tournament will be the place for all of this to play out. Relax. Enjoy the games. We will see who standing at the end.
I'm just waiting for the East to be #1 in all conferences...
Did anybody see the ESTEM vs Stuttgart game wanted to know who made the difference for ESTEM to win the game. I'm thinking it was there 6'6 post player because Stuttgart didn't have anyone to defend him in the post. Also was wondering how did David Walker and Tim Johnson played for Stuttgart.
Don't be surprised if ESTEM knock off Southside lol
Sure was looking forward to a Westside/Stuttgart matchup after all the trash talk about how Stuttgart made Hunter Mickelson look like a baby a few years ago, and that David Walker and company would do the same to Avery Felts.
Maybe Stuttgart will get a chance at Westside next year...if they make it out of district.
Quote from: (((Subi2Sweet))) on February 15, 2018, 12:08:42 pm
I'm just waiting for the East to be #1 in all conferences...
well, unofficially , we all know they are.
Quote from: LRRandy on February 15, 2018, 01:20:36 pm
well, unofficially , we all know they are.
To be perfectly honest... probably.
HWH got a horrible draw having to play at Riverview. No one wants to play on another solid teams home court even if the other team is seeded as the 6. Baptist Prep is probably the only team in the 2-4A who would won there in the first round..... And as stated above. Yes HWH and Stuttgart would win the 1-4A and 4-4A more than likely and won't even be in regionals. Its the way the cookie crumbles. Don't let the other 1-4A or 4-4A guys tell you otherwise. That regional is really bad. This years Pea Ridge team is not even close to last years Pea Ridge, and the Blackhawks just rolled their way to a 17-1 blended conference record. That tells you how bad small town NWA basketball is right now. And the 4-4A teams just won games by beating up on subpar 3A teams this year. I'm not a homer and will tell you like I see it when the product is not good and it just is not right now in western Arkansas basketball.
Quote from: westhelena1 on February 15, 2018, 09:52:00 am
Helena-West Helena only lost two games this year. Once to Stuttgart on December 15 and then last night against Riverview. No one beat them twice.
My earlier post was somewhat confusing. My apologies. Let me try again.
In his article Mr. Bagley argues that Southside should not be the #1 seed because they had the "worst of the conference losses" of the top 3 teams by losing to 3A Tuckerman. I just wanted to make sure you and Mr. Bagley understand that the Tuckerman team that dealt Southside such a "terrible" loss is the same Tuckerman team that beat Riverview twice this year. Yes, the same Riverview team that put HWH out. Maybe Tuckerman wasn't such a bad loss for Southside.
Tuckerman was in the 3a state championship game last year and have a chance to be back in the state championship this year.
Southside boys up 20-10 over Esteem Halftime
Quote from: Livewire on February 15, 2018, 01:20:22 pm
Sure was looking forward to a Westside/Stuttgart matchup after all the trash talk about how Stuttgart made Hunter Mickelson look like a baby a few years ago, and that David Walker and company would do the same to Avery Felts.
Maybe Stuttgart will get a chance at Westside next year...if they make it out of district.
Stuttgart will have the be back next year and better they aren't losing anybody and we loss to a good ESTEM team. I think the seeding and the mix 3a/4a conference schedule is stupid literally HWH was 15-1 in conference just like Baptist Prep... like how can you dictate 1-3 when they have the same conference record? Like these teams aren't even playing the full conference in conference season, they are playing totally different teams for the most part and then meet at district like that its crazy.
27-19 Southside boys up on Esteem end 3q
Quote from: Donnie Jamon on February 15, 2018, 06:11:33 pm
Southside boys up 20-10 over Esteem Halftime
wow that's a crazy score
32-23 Southside up with 3 min Left
39-31 Southside up.. Under a min left
44-31 Final. Southside boys advance
Who won the girls game? CAC or Esteem? I am assuming CAC won! What was the score?
Baptist prep 22
Riverview 20
Halftime
Baptist Prep 39
Riverview 29
End of 3
2-4A DISTRICT BOYS, 5:31 4TH QUARTER
Baptist Prep 45, Riverview 31
Final
Baptist Prep 52
Riverview 36
Quote from: LRRandy on February 15, 2018, 10:08:37 pm
Final
Baptist Prep 52
Riverview 36
Defense will win them a title again.... That's just my humble opinion ;D
Quote from: beach bum on February 15, 2018, 10:22:10 pm
Defense will win them a title again.... That's just my humble opinion ;D
yeah, that's what I think too.
Quote from: skins68 on February 15, 2018, 09:11:33 pm
Who won the girls game? CAC or Esteem? I am assuming CAC won! What was the score?
CAC. 60-51
So Boys:
Southside vs Baptist (Championship)
EStem vs Riverview (Consolation)
Girls:
CAC vs Riverview (Championship)
Lonoke vs EStem (Consolation)
Anyone know the times?
Quote from: Nomad1324 on February 15, 2018, 10:42:32 pm
So Boys:
Southside vs Baptist (Championship)
EStem vs Riverview (Consolation)
Girls:
CAC vs Riverview (Championship)
Lonoke vs EStem (Consolation)
Anyone know the times?
3 and 4:30 for the consolation games
6 and 7:30 for championships
Quote from: beach bum on February 15, 2018, 03:09:50 pm
HWH got a horrible draw having to play at Riverview. No one wants to play on another solid teams home court even if the other team is seeded as the 6. Baptist Prep is probably the only team in the 2-4A who would won there in the first round..... And as stated above. Yes HWH and Stuttgart would win the 1-4A and 4-4A more than likely and won't even be in regionals. Its the way the cookie crumbles. Don't let the other 1-4A or 4-4A guys tell you otherwise. That regional is really bad. This years Pea Ridge team is not even close to last years Pea Ridge, and the Blackhawks just rolled their way to a 17-1 blended conference record. That tells you how bad small town NWA basketball is right now. And the 4-4A teams just won games by beating up on subpar 3A teams this year. I'm not a homer and will tell you like I see it when the product is not good and it just is not right now in western Arkansas basketball.
i agree that the way the playoffs/schedules are done leaves much to be desired. This two year blended conference thing was an unmitigated disaster and I am glad it had gone by the boards. Concerning NW Arkansas basketball, you really can't tell how good any region of the state is unless you have direct head to head competition, which for the most part, you don't have. Regarding Pea Ridge, yes, they were better last year. Some nights the current Blackhawks have their struggles. and on other nights they can tear it up, mostly due to so many first time starters this year. When they are hitting on all cylinders, they can surprise people how well they can play. They can hit the threes (made 17 in one game twice this season), they can drive the lane, and they can play tough defense. Their 24-4 record is a result of good defensive efforts the nights the offense wasn't so hot. They play ten players, so they have some depth. Their center is not particularly tall but he is a solid player (played noseguard in football). They have five players who have led the team in scoring in games, so they have balance. There might be no one they can't beat, and by the same token, there might be no one they can't lose to. They played rather badly in the first round Tuesday offensively but if they do their usual, they will play an outstanding game tonight in the semis against Shiloh.
Quote from: Sportshawk on February 16, 2018, 09:02:31 am
i agree that the way the playoffs/schedules are done leaves much to be desired. This two year blended conference thing was an unmitigated disaster and I am glad it had gone by the boards. Concerning NW Arkansas basketball, you really can't tell how good any region of the state is unless you have direct head to head competition, which for the most part, you don't have. Regarding Pea Ridge, yes, they were better last year. Some nights the current Blackhawks have their struggles. and on other nights they can tear it up, mostly due to so many first time starters this year. When they are hitting on all cylinders, they can surprise people how well they can play. They can hit the threes (made 17 in one game twice this season), they can drive the lane, and they can play tough defense. Their 24-4 record is a result of good defensive efforts the nights the offense wasn't so hot. They play ten players, so they have some depth. Their center is not particularly tall but he is a solid player (played noseguard in football). They have five players who have led the team in scoring in games, so they have balance. There might be no one they can't beat, and by the same token, there might be no one they can't lose to. They played rather badly in the first round Tuesday offensively but if they do their usual, they will play an outstanding game tonight in the semis against Shiloh.
Well they DIDN'T have an outstanding game tonight. Shot around 30%, lost to Shiloh. If their shooting doesn't pick up, they will be packing it in early. They hustled well, forced a bunch of turnovers, but just couldn't connect enough to win the game. The East Region sure looks solid, especially the 4A-2. The eastern boys will have a lot to say how this years tournament turns out.
Any updates from this regions early games?
21-20 Baptist @ half. SS had a good lead, but BP made a run after the Big Recruit got in a pair of fouls.
Thanks for update.
35-34 SS end of 3. Another run out by SS & BP comeback.
46-40 BP 2:58 left. Brooks Spoon 3 straight triples
51-44 BP 54.5 sec
56-49 Baptist (final)
Good game. Southside is a serious contender.
Hard to lose games when you do not let the other team score 50 points very often....
Nothing against Southside and they are a very good team but the true number one seed took care of business. As the two time defending state champions and conference champs should not have been disrespected by these blended district coaches. Until they are knocked off Baptist Prep deserves to be the #1 seed.
Quote from: eagle1 on February 17, 2018, 09:00:14 pm
Nothing against Southside and they are a very good team but the true number one seed took care of business. As the two time defending state champions and conference champs should not have been disrespected by these blended district coaches. Until they are knocked off Baptist Prep deserves to be the #1 seed.
champion fatigue. Folks are tired of the same team winning. Baptist Prep is just going to have to continue to win yo quiet the chatter about them being over.
Does Prep go to 3a next year?
The refs were way to soft on southsides bigs. I remember connor Vanover getting terrorized down low and getting no calls. A baptist defender puts one hand on Tom#33 and it was a foul. Definitely two contenders. I would not count southside batesville out. Baptist is the #1 seed for sure but still a lot of basketball to be played. They could play each other again. Also Jonesboro westside just dessimated Brookland again
Quote from: beach bum on February 17, 2018, 08:57:35 pm
Hard to lose games when you do not let the other team score 50 points very often....
there is something to that defense.
Quote from: LRRandy on February 17, 2018, 09:38:22 pm
there is something to that defense.
Their defense is really good but it is not anything another team doesn't have or is capable of doing.
Quote from: Bbal789 on February 17, 2018, 10:50:27 pm
Their defense is really good but it is not anything another team doesn't have or is capable of doing.
see. This is an example of you showing your bias. No one said anything about Baptist defense being unique to them and something no other team has. I don't know why you dislike Baptist Prep so much or why you feel compelled to rail against them but it will be ok. It's just high school basketball. I come on here to push buttons and stir things up for fun. You can't seem to find the fun in this.
Maybe his love will grow for Prep after they win another state championship!lol
Quote from: LRRandy on February 18, 2018, 08:57:31 am
see. This is an example of you showing your bias. No one said anything about Baptist defense being unique to them and something no other team has. I don't know why you dislike Baptist Prep so much or why you feel compelled to rail against them but it will be ok. It's just high school basketball. I come on here to push buttons and stir things up for fun. You can't seem to find the fun in this.
you can't just blame me for railing against them everytime and claim that your just trying to stir things up. What if I want to stir things up just like your doing. Seems like I accomplished that cuz it got under your skin. Im just trying to have fun just like you.
I went to the game last night. I honestly didn't see anything super special about the defense like you claim. Are they a good team, definitely, no question about it. Are they unbeatable, heck no. So much more basketball to be played. One bad performance and anybody's season could be over.
I will say the refs were extremely biased against Baptist. The Southside bigs were getting so many baby calls and last year Connor Vanover was getting pushed around and getting his jersey grabbed and pulled every game and got no calls.
Quote from: Bbal789 on February 18, 2018, 10:41:57 am
you can't just blame me for railing against them everytime and claim that your just trying to stir things up. What if I want to stir things up just like your doing. Seems like I accomplished that cuz it got under your skin. Im just trying to have fun just like you.
I went to the game last night. I honestly didn't see anything super special about the defense like you claim. Are they a good team, definitely, no question about it. Are they unbeatable, heck no. So much more basketball to be played. One bad performance and anybody's season could be over.
I will say the refs were extremely biased against Baptist. The Southside bigs were getting so many baby calls and last year Connor Vanover was getting pushed around and getting his jersey grabbed and pulled every game and got no calls.
Collusion between the refs and Ukrainians?
Quote from: Outoftownfan on February 18, 2018, 10:55:46 am
Collusion between the refs and Ukrainians?
yeah, I think there is a memo about it.
Quote from: Outoftownfan on February 18, 2018, 10:55:46 am
Collusion between the refs and Ukrainians?
Im just saying there was an extreme hatred towards Connor Vanover to the point where any team could just foul the crap out of him and he would fall over and they would call a travel
Between the questionable seeding to the officiating last night there is no doubt Southside was the district darlins. Bbal is correct, the Southside big men were treated like they were fragile. In the end BP proved that a great TEAM can overcome an assembled team.
Quote from: Outoftownfan on February 18, 2018, 10:55:46 am
Collusion between the refs and Ukrainians?
Just an attempt at some humor. Believe me, I'm no SS fan. Actually, I just stopped by to see if any BP player was out for the next game due to a late game inadvertent elbow. It seems to happen often in SS games.
Quote from: JessieP on February 18, 2018, 02:30:09 pm
Between the questionable seeding to the officiating last night there is no doubt Southside was the district darlins. Bbal is correct, the Southside big men were treated like they were fragile. In the end BP proved that a great TEAM can overcome an assembled team.
how mad would you be to learn that Baptist Prep is just as "assembled"
Give me a break😂 you're the biggest Southside hater I've ever seen on this board. Even worse than the old Batesville posters.
Southside was not pimped by the refs during the entire duration of the tournament whatsoever
Quote from: SouthernerPride on February 20, 2018, 01:36:00 am
how mad would you be to learn that Baptist Prep is just as "assembled"
Give me a break😂 you're the biggest Southside hater I've ever seen on this board. Even worse than the old Batesville posters.
Southside was not pimped by the refs during the entire duration of the tournament whatsoever
From my knowledge, Baptist Prep isn't "assembled." I am pretty sure they have all been going to that school since at 7th grade or younger
Quote from: SouthernerPride on February 20, 2018, 01:36:00 am
how mad would you be to learn that Baptist Prep is just as "assembled"
Give me a break😂 you're the biggest Southside hater I've ever seen on this board. Even worse than the old Batesville posters.
Southside was not pimped by the refs during the entire duration of the tournament whatsoever
The refs did make the game much easier for Southside's bigs. This isn't a knock on their game at all. Connor Vanover never got calls. His jersey would be grabbed, he would be shoved and tripped and would get no calls. Baptist also isn't a big recruiting school like a Little Rock Christian or a Pulaski Academy.