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Title: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: jsky14 on January 27, 2018, 03:56:01 pm
Anyone got insight on his college choice?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Idindonuffin on January 27, 2018, 09:21:51 pm
I think their coaches/posters are in Florida.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on January 28, 2018, 08:00:35 am
Quote from: IMSwarmed on January 27, 2018, 09:21:51 pm
I think their coaches/posters are in Florida. Caymans
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Complete Biased PoV on January 28, 2018, 09:50:47 am
Last I heard he has offers from Murray State, Eastern Illinois, Georgetown, UCA, and AR State.  Then he has invited walk-on offers from a few other bigger schools.  I think it will be interesting to see what unfolds.  I do know this, who ever gets him gets a proven winner in multiple sports.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on January 28, 2018, 04:22:04 pm
I gotta say, the kid grew on me. He is not a pure passer, he misses a lot of open targets. No one fears his speed. Nothing about him screams "Blue Chip", he simply wins. His senior season he became a MacGuyver in football pads, he makes things happen. I saw him wiggle out of many many sacks. On many 3rd and 10's he's hit an 11 yard pass. He won this past season with an inferior O-line and a non-existent running game. McClellan this year and Batesville last year were in his face all game, he won both. I honestly feel he may be a Tony Romo type player, meaning no one wants him but they live to regret it. I fully expect him to have success at the next level and a lot of bigger schools are going to have a big "Oops" moment.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: IAFLAR7 on January 30, 2018, 10:45:17 am
He could very well be a steal. If he was taller he would have plenty of offers. You can clearly see from the Landers award show standing next to Noland he is probably 5-11, 6' at best. And that's the problem, recruiting is so much about profiling now. You have to fit a specific profile in terms of height and weight for these high level D1 schools to seriously consider you. Otherwise, you're deemed a risk or a Long shot...Should be interesting to see what he does. I would think OBU would be perfect. He could be very productive in football, would probably be a national champion in wrestling and the education is nothing to sneeze at...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on January 30, 2018, 12:16:08 pm
Quote from: IAFLAR7 on January 30, 2018, 10:45:17 am
He could very well be a steal. If he was taller he would have plenty of offers. You can clearly see from the Landers award show standing next to Noland he is probably 5-11, 6' at best. And that's the problem, recruiting is so much about profiling now. You have to fit a specific profile in terms of height and weight for these high level D1 schools to seriously consider you. Otherwise, you're deemed a risk or a Long shot...Should be interesting to see what he does. I would think OBU would be perfect. He could be very productive in football, would probably be a national champion in wrestling and the education is nothing to sneeze at...

If I was him I would walk on at a power 5 and prove all the nayayers wrong eventually.... You can't put a value on a QB for what they possess in between their ears, their work ethic, and poise under pressure.


Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on January 30, 2018, 01:42:02 pm
Quote from: beach bum on January 30, 2018, 12:16:08 pm
If I was him I would walk on at a power 5 and prove all the nayayers wrong eventually.... You can't put a value on a QB for what they possess in between their ears, their work ethic, and poise under pressure.

I'd like to see him go Ivy League; He could probably do football and wrestle there due to the shorter seasons. But its really all about what he wants to do and I wish him well
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on February 04, 2018, 08:14:51 pm
Commited to Arkansas State today...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on February 05, 2018, 10:18:11 am
Good for Layne. ASU is getting a good one. Last PA QB that went there had a lot of success.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on February 05, 2018, 10:38:21 am
Congrats to Layne.  Happy for him
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 12:06:12 pm
The best QB in the state of Arkansas will be playing in Jonesboro.... Not Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: OB11 on February 05, 2018, 01:02:55 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 12:06:12 pm
The best QB in the state of Arkansas will be playing in Jonesboro.... Not Fayetteville.

Well he's not leaving the state. That should make some of the Hog supporters on here happy that one of the best players is staying in state. haha

As an ASU guy, I'm super happy to have him. We've got a good track record with former Bruin QB's.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 01:58:34 pm
Quote from: OB11 on February 05, 2018, 01:02:55 pm
Well he's not leaving the state. That should make some of the Hog supporters on here happy that one of the best players is staying in state. haha

As an ASU guy, I'm super happy to have him. We've got a good track record with former Bruin QB's.

If he was 3 inches taller and 15-20 pounds heavier every college in the country would be drooling over him.... He is eventually going to be throwing all over Sun Belt competition with his ability.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hogman2018 on February 05, 2018, 02:17:07 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 12:06:12 pm
The best QB in the state of Arkansas will be playing in Jonesboro.... Not Fayetteville.
I disagree Noland is a lot better than him!!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 02:21:05 pm
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 05, 2018, 02:17:07 pm
   I disagree Noland is a lot better than him!!

Naw, Hatcher will have a better career.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hogman2018 on February 05, 2018, 07:09:15 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 02:21:05 pm
Naw, Hatcher will have a better career.
Hatcher cant play at Arkansas like Noan can!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on February 06, 2018, 11:13:25 am
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 05, 2018, 07:09:15 pm
     Hatcher cant play at Arkansas like Noan can!

I hope both have good college careers
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on February 06, 2018, 11:20:38 am
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 05, 2018, 07:09:15 pm
     Hatcher cant play at Arkansas like Noan can!

Well considering A State would have beaten the Hogs last year I don't really get your point? Arkansas currently has a recruiting class last in the SEC so it doesn't look bright ahead either. Hatcher is the better player and is only being overlooked because of his height. He will prove the doubters wrong.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hogman2018 on February 06, 2018, 12:44:29 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 06, 2018, 11:20:38 am
Well considering A State would have beaten the Hogs last year I don't really get your point? Arkansas currently has a recruiting class last in the SEC so it doesn't look bright ahead either. Hatcher is the better player and is only being overlooked because of his height. He will prove the doubters wrong.
U done lost ur mind AState would not beat Arkansas last year! Tell them to come get them some of the SEC West and we will play them cupcakes AState plays!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: OB11 on February 06, 2018, 12:47:53 pm
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 06, 2018, 12:44:29 pm
  U done lost ur mind AState would not beat Arkansas last year! Tell them to come get them some of the SEC West and we will play them cupcakes AState plays!

You do play the "cupcakes" that ASU plays (Coastal Carolina) and only beat them by 1 this past season. ASU blew them out. Both games were homecoming for ASU and Arkansas if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hogman2018 on February 06, 2018, 03:16:31 pm
Quote from: OB11 on February 06, 2018, 12:47:53 pm
You do play the "cupcakes" that ASU plays (Coastal Carolina) and only beat them by 1 this past season. ASU blew them out. Both games were homecoming for ASU and Arkansas if I remember correctly.
Yall got drove by SMU and S Alabama! Enough said Im through arguing with you
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on February 06, 2018, 03:41:54 pm
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 06, 2018, 03:16:31 pm
   Yall got drove by SMU and S Alabama! Enough said Im through arguing with you

A State probably has 1/10 the budget as Arkansas and still puts out a better product... How sad for the lil Piggies.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on February 06, 2018, 09:10:03 pm
Over the past 5 years ASU has narrowed the gap with UA. Last year ASU would have won. People need to realize something, finishing near the bottom of the same league the best team in the Nation plays in does not make you a powerhouse. It's not success by osmosis. The bottom half of the SEC is populated with weak teams, the bottom half of any conference is populated with weak teams. We are all going to have to come to the realization that the Razorbacks are not very good. Just being in the SEC does not make you good. I have no doubt that Arkansas and a few other teams are going to regret not taking a chance on Hatcher. He's small, his arm is just so-so and he's not going to set any sprint records. He simply wins, he finds a way. Last time I checked the ability to win football games is a desirable trait.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MDXPHD on February 06, 2018, 10:22:20 pm
Hatcher will have a good career st ASU. Size isn't the only reason he didn't get a lot of D1 offers. Everyone knows these PA QBs are system QBs. Noland is a far better qb. You can try to compare careers in college, but only one of these kids has a chance to go pro.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on February 07, 2018, 08:30:10 am
Quote from: MDXPHD on February 06, 2018, 10:22:20 pm
Hatcher will have a good career st ASU. Size isn't the only reason he didn't get a lot of D1 offers. Everyone knows these PA QBs are system QBs. Noland is a far better qb. You can try to compare careers in college, but only one of these kids has a chance to go pro

Some yes and some not so much. Several recent PA QBs have had very nice college careers and they didn't get and stay on the field in college due to the PA system (Freddie Knighten and Spencer Keith come to mind recently).

They may have gotten noticed initially due to what they learned and the numbers they put up at PA but they also performed very well on the field at the next level in different systems

PS The PA football system doesn't get you undefeated in wresting! Just saying
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hogman2018 on February 07, 2018, 10:32:57 am
You might as well give it up you are talking to a bunch of PA posters!!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on February 07, 2018, 11:08:37 am
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 07, 2018, 10:32:57 am
You might as well give it up you are talking to a bunch of PA posters!!


Nothing to give up. Overdahill acknowledged some not all PA QBs are necessarily just system QBs.  Also,  not all great high school players, regardless of position, make a successful transition to college ball.

I am happy for Hatcher getting a shot at the next level. 


Sorry for bold type. I messed up on the reply.  Just put it bold to separate from original post.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on February 07, 2018, 11:38:27 am
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on February 07, 2018, 11:08:37 am
Quote from: Hogman2018 on February 07, 2018, 10:32:57 am
You might as well give it up you are talking to a bunch of PA posters!!


Nothing to give up. Overdahill acknowledged some not all PA QBs are necessarily just system QBs.  Also,  not all great high school players, regardless of position, make a successful transition to college ball.

I am happy for Hatcher getting a shot at the next level. 


Sorry for bold type. I messed up on the reply.  Just put it bold to separate from original post.

Oh Maynard, can we please lose the excuses and false modesty. We all know you never respond yourself, you dictate your reply to one of your Victoria Secret Model "interns" and they type it in. Any grammatical errors can be blamed on them. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on February 07, 2018, 01:29:59 pm
Quote from: Overdahill on February 07, 2018, 08:30:10 am
Some yes and some not so much. Several recent PA QBs have had very nice college careers and they didn't get and stay on the field in college due to the PA system (Freddie Knighten and Spencer Keith come to mind recently).

They may have gotten noticed initially due to what they learned and the numbers they put up at PA but they also performed very well on the field at the next level in different systems

PS The PA football system doesn't get you undefeated in wresting! Just saying

Knighten would've excelled in any system.  My goodness, what a cannon that guy had (and still has).

Also, isn't every quarterback technically a 'system' quarterback?  I've always thought that language was odd, especially at higher levels.  Coaches get players to fit their systems, thus most all players are system players.

Also, congrats to Hatcher and all the other kids who get the chance to play at the next level.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on February 07, 2018, 04:04:37 pm
Quote from: JessieP on February 07, 2018, 11:38:27 am
Oh Maynard, can we please lose the excuses and false modesty. We all know you never respond yourself, you dictate your reply to one of your Victoria Secret Model "interns" and they type it in. Any grammatical errors can be blamed on them.

everyone knows that Victoria Secret models are expert typists, they're just hunt and peckers.  (think about it)
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on February 07, 2018, 08:12:24 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on February 07, 2018, 04:04:37 pm
everyone knows that Victoria Secret models are expert typists, they're just hunt and peckers.  (think about it)

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Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MDXPHD on February 08, 2018, 11:21:36 am
Quote from: Overdahill on February 07, 2018, 08:30:10 am
Some yes and some not so much. Several recent PA QBs have had very nice college careers and they didn't get and stay on the field in college due to the PA system (Freddie Knighten and Spencer Keith come to mind recently).

They may have gotten noticed initially due to what they learned and the numbers they put up at PA but they also performed very well on the field at the next level in different systems

PS The PA football system doesn't get you undefeated in wresting! Just saying

Well no, but nobody is disputing how good of a wrestler the kid is! Very talented in that sport. Also a very good football player -- Just not SEC level like some on here want to think. I hope he has a great career at ASU.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Any Given Friday on February 08, 2018, 11:24:02 am
Never seen the kid wrestle, but have seen him play in multiple football games over the last few years, and he will be a player for ASU after a year or so.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Yellowcake on May 02, 2018, 11:10:36 pm
Quote from: MDXPHD on February 08, 2018, 11:21:36 am
Well no, but nobody is disputing how good of a wrestler the kid is! Very talented in that sport. Also a very good football player -- Just not SEC level like some on here want to think. I hope he has a great career at ASU.


Baker Mayfield wasn't sec, big 12 or any other "material". He was a walk on.
Too early to start predicting college careers. Plenty of 4 and 5 star washouts and 2 star phenoms.
Let's see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: gameoflife on May 03, 2018, 10:27:47 am
Lots of kids across the country are good players but lack something, height, speed, really good arm on a QB, those guys are not going to play major college in most cases.  There are so many kids that could play somewhere but think they ought to be D1 or have their mind set on a certain school.  Fans and parents all think their picks are best players out there, that's natural but it hurts kids when they buy into it too much.  Players, look realistically at where they can play and take your shot.  Walking on at a D1 is usually not going to result in playing time.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 03, 2018, 02:33:35 pm
Quote from: Yellowcake on May 02, 2018, 11:10:36 pm

Baker Mayfield wasn't sec, big 12 or any other "material". He was a walk on.
Too early to start predicting college careers. Plenty of 4 and 5 star washouts and 2 star phenoms.
Let's see how it plays out.

Great post, I agree 100% (and we all know how rare that is). All these high school rankings are nothing more than educated guesses. The vast majority of D1 starters were 2 or below Star rated. A lot of 4/5 Star ones peaked in high school. The majority of people here keep throwing Noland up in Hatcher's face. Yes, Noland signed with Arkansas, an SEC school. Just remember, Arkansas may have been protecting their backyard. They didn't parade him around as their jewel in the crown, they did Hunter Henry. You didn't see Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State or Oklahoma camped out at Greenwood. My point is the jury is far far from out on the Hatcher/Noland debate. I still say Hatcher is an athletic kid who did exactly what his coaches needed. If PA ran a "NFL style" offense he would have excelled.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: gameoflife on May 03, 2018, 04:00:10 pm
I don't care a thing in the world about where Hatcher or Noland sign.  Hope they both have great careers. I'm simply saying a kid that wants to play college ball needs to be as realistic as he can about what level he may play at.  Everybody isn't D1 and only about 2% of high school kids will go play in college. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: scrapdig on May 06, 2018, 06:25:46 pm
I've seen Hatcher up close and he isn't even 5-11.  Good athlete not great.  This is a clear case if he wasn't rich and at a rich school nobody would even look at him. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: beach bum on May 06, 2018, 11:09:02 pm
Quote from: scrapdig on May 06, 2018, 06:25:46 pm
I've seen Hatcher up close and he isn't even 5-11. Good athlete not great.  This is a clear case if he wasn't rich and at a rich school nobody would even look at him.



This might go down as one of the most insane comments on fearless ever so I am hoping this is sarcasm? Let's just ignore the fact he has a near flawless record at his time at PA at 41-1 as the quarterback of a top 5 team in the state no matter classification.... So let's not give him any credit for that right? I take it you must not value winning and results a whole lot then? I don't know about others but I prefer players who get it done on the field and not solely off physical numbers. Especially from a guy that got it done every game but one in an offense completely ran through him. I know most QB's are at minimum 6'2" and that helps to have the size, but we just had the #1 pick in the draft be a shorter QB as well from your first point you made. Also, caring about how good of an athlete your QB is for a guy that throws a football for a living is what got Tom Brady drafted 199 overall. The scouts were terrified by his horrible combine numbers and lack of athleticism. They forgot the whole time he was being drafted to play QB and not RB apparently.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: RZback on May 06, 2018, 11:29:50 pm
I'm sure you have seen more than one article about Blue Chippers who went bust in college!   There are no guarantees, check with MM.  Wish em all luck but lots don't make it.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: scrapdig on May 07, 2018, 12:57:08 pm
Quote from: beach bum on May 06, 2018, 11:09:02 pm
This might go down as one of the most insane comments on fearless ever so I am hoping this is sarcasm? Let's just ignore the fact he has a near flawless record at his time at PA at 41-1 as the quarterback of a top 5 team in the state no matter classification.... So let's not give him any credit for that right? I take it you must not value winning and results a whole lot then? I don't know about others but I prefer players who get it done on the field and not solely off physical numbers. Especially from a guy that got it done every game but one in an offense completely ran through him. I know most QB's are at minimum 6'2" and that helps to have the size, but we just had the #1 pick in the draft be a shorter QB as well from your first point you made. Also, caring about how good of an athlete your QB is for a guy that throws a football for a living is what got Tom Brady drafted 199 overall. The scouts were terrified by his horrible combine numbers and lack of athleticism. They forgot the whole time he was being drafted to play QB and not RB apparently.
A lot of QB's have great records in HS and suck in college.  Its called a system.  Look at Mustain and Storey.  Jerry Jones grandson is the next.  Lost one game?  Ok he's 5-9 with below average arm and runs a 4.9.  Yea he will be great! 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on May 07, 2018, 02:01:48 pm
One thing for sure, there are no for sure's in college football.  Look how easy the bama qb lost his job last year at the national title game.  Guys like Mustain, didn't have any better stats than Allan.   Hatcher is a very good high school QB but that doesn't always mean success at the next level.  The big D1's miss some for sure but they are more often right than wrong.  Hope he does well at State.  Arkansas should not be taking 5'11 QB prospects IMO.  Simply because there are so many good ones around that are 6'2 and taller that can run and have stronger arms. Oh, and are winners also. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 07, 2018, 02:22:35 pm
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on May 07, 2018, 02:01:48 pm
One thing for sure, there are no for sure's in college football.  Look how easy the bama qb lost his job last year at the national title game.  Guys like Mustain, didn't have any better stats than Allan.   Hatcher is a very good high school QB but that doesn't always mean success at the next level.  The big D1's miss some for sure but they are more often right than wrong.  Hope he does well at State.  Arkansas should not be taking 5'11 QB prospects IMO.  Simply because there are so many good ones around that are 6'2 and taller that can run and have stronger arms. Oh, and are winners also.

Very good post, great points all. I do think Hatcher will have success but he is a project. He's the type of player that could compete his Jr or Sr season, I hope he sticks with it. People love to bring up Mayfield or Brady but they neglect to tell you they are anomalies, freak occurrences. Colleges play the odds and covet 6'4. Another point that I have made ad nauseum is that for all PA's wonderful accomplishments, both team and individual, it's all been in the Arkansas 5A. I realize my beloved Pioneers are in the same Arkansas 5A and I have as much state pride as anyone, let's be honest. No D1 Power 5 head coaches are getting weak kneed about our 5A. The competition just isn't there for any team to thump it's chest too hard.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: scrapdig on May 07, 2018, 03:02:43 pm
Being a "winner" is highly overrated in HS and college.  Look at Mustain Gatorade national player of the year.  Couldn't play a lick.  Yea Yea he won 8 games in a row.  Well he was awful.  Did Tom Brady win much in HS?  Nope.  Tebow couldnt lose in college and was an awful NFL QB.  Had no clue how to even throw a ball.  System along with NFL lineman, RB's, and WR's tricked you.  Usually QB's that win the most in college are bad in the NFL.  You know Oklahoma QB's, Bama QB's, Ohio St QB's, etc....
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on May 07, 2018, 06:05:32 pm
No one player is winning in College, those great players are surrounded by perhaps not always great but certainly extremely good players.  In High School, the lower the classification the more one "great" player can carry a mediocre team.  As the level of classification goes up, the more it requires better supporting players to get to the ring.  A good QB for instance can be made to look better than he may be because of great supporting talent.  Mustain for instance, throw ball short to D. Williams and watch him go mega yards on the short throw.  Another great player, Danny Weurffel.  Heisman winner and a professional bust. The system and the playerss surrounding the QB help make them more often than not.   
Classic example of a "Winner"  Joe Montana. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Hoghead2 on May 22, 2018, 02:03:07 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 06, 2018, 03:41:54 pm
A State probably has 1/10 the budget as Arkansas and still puts out a better product... How sad for the lil Piggies.
This is the exact reason ASU and the Hogs should play every year in Little Rock.  The hate and smack talk  would make it a classic Hatefest rivalry.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on May 22, 2018, 05:35:12 pm
Quote from: Hoghead2 on May 22, 2018, 02:03:07 pm
This is the exact reason ASU and the Hogs should play every year in Little Rock.  The hate and smack talk  would make it a classic Hatefest rivalry.
Arkansas State also has 1/20th of the interest in its program that Arkansas does.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: OB11 on May 25, 2018, 12:40:23 pm
https://twitter.com/Jason_Kilburn/status/1000063546372145152

???
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: gameoflife on May 25, 2018, 02:27:55 pm
Is that correct Hatcher is going to Bama?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: mr.gametime on May 25, 2018, 03:45:43 pm
Yes....bama originally offered him a spot for a preferred walk-on....but now they have offered him a scholarship....for some reason ASU wanted him to grey shirt.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on May 25, 2018, 04:16:13 pm
He leaves tomorrow for 'Bama
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on May 25, 2018, 05:07:36 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on May 25, 2018, 02:27:55 pm
Is that correct Hatcher is going to Bama?
That's what he tweeted today.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Bruin Fan on May 25, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
Good for Lane!  That's awesome!!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 06:32:07 pm
Quote from: MDXPHD on February 08, 2018, 11:21:36 am
Well no, but nobody is disputing how good of a wrestler the kid is! Very talented in that sport. Also a very good football player -- Just not SEC level like some on here want to think. I hope he has a great career at ASU.

I don't claim to be an expert in recognizing talent.  But I'd say Saban is.  If he thinks Hatcher has SEC talent I sure won't disagree.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 25, 2018, 07:10:25 pm
Quote from: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 06:32:07 pm
I don't claim to be an expert in recognizing talent.  But I'd say Saban is.  If he thinks Hatcher has SEC talent I sure won't disagree.

Dang, JessieP and NickS(aban) on the same page! Who'd of thunk it?  :o
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 07:23:41 pm
Quote from: Overdahill on May 25, 2018, 07:10:25 pm


Dang, JessieP and NickS(aban) on the same page! Who'd of thunk it?  :o

Come on now, I'm a modest guy. All I ever said was a lot of the big boys are gonna be kicking themselves. Just to show how humble I am I will admit, Saban probably knows as much about football as I do. Oh, who am I kidding...TOLDCHA TOLDCHA TOLDCHA. I guess this kicks the Noland is better than Hatcher contingent right in the jewels. Getting a full ride to Bama, I'd say he passed Henry as PA's biggest recruit.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 25, 2018, 08:11:16 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 07:23:41 pm
Come on now, I'm a modest guy. All I ever said was a lot of the big boys are gonna be kicking themselves. Just to show how humble I am I will admit, Saban probably knows as much about football as I do. Oh, who am I kidding...TOLDCHA TOLDCHA TOLDCHA. I guess this kicks the Noland is better than Hatcher contingent right in the jewels. Getting a full ride to Bama, I'd say he passed Henry as PA's biggest recruit.

Hold your horses a tad. We all know Josh Frazier and Altee Tenpenny had elustrious careers at bama being straight out of Arkansas.

It's a huge feat to get a scholly to bama, but from what I saw of a certain freshman last year  and with what is already on the depth chart, he has some work to do. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Coach T Wood on May 25, 2018, 08:47:11 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 07:23:41 pm
Come on now, I'm a modest guy. All I ever said was a lot of the big boys are gonna be kicking themselves. Just to show how humble I am I will admit, Saban probably knows as much about football as I do. Oh, who am I kidding...TOLDCHA TOLDCHA TOLDCHA. I guess this kicks the Noland is better than Hatcher contingent right in the jewels. Getting a full ride to Bama, I'd say he passed Henry as PA's biggest recruit.

Anyone who gets an offer from Bama is a big recruit in my opinion.  But just to make sure......Henry has an offer as well from Bama....among most of the other SEC schools.....and he just finished his Junior season.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 08:47:23 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 07:23:41 pm
Come on now, I'm a modest guy. All I ever said was a lot of the big boys are gonna be kicking themselves. Just to show how humble I am I will admit, Saban probably knows as much about football as I do. Oh, who am I kidding...TOLDCHA TOLDCHA TOLDCHA. I guess this kicks the Noland is better than Hatcher contingent right in the jewels. Getting a full ride to Bama, I'd say he passed Henry as PA's biggest recruit.

I don't think he passed Henry.  Hunter was offered by Bama and nearly everyone else.  Bama's offer is great for Hatcher but I don't think it matches Hunter's offers.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: Coach Wood, RHS on May 25, 2018, 08:47:11 pm
Anyone who gets an offer from Bama is a big recruit in my opinion.  But just to make sure......Henry has an offer as well from Bama....among most of the other SEC schools.....and he just finished his Junior season.

Coach, I think he was talking about Hunter but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: IAFLAR7 on May 25, 2018, 08:49:12 pm
Quote from: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 08:47:23 pm
I don't think he passed Henry.  Hunter was offered by Bama and nearly everyone else.  Bama's offer is great for Hatcher but I don't think it matches Hunter's offers.
not even close..Henry is the real deal..
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 09:10:42 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 25, 2018, 08:11:16 pm
Hold your horses a tad. We all know Josh Frazier and Altee Tenpenny had elustrious careers at bama being straight out of Arkansas.

It's a huge feat to get a scholly to bama, but from what I saw of a certain freshman last year  and with what is already on the depth chart, he has some work to do. Best of luck.

Frazier, yes. Tenpenny (Rest his soul) was far from illustrious. He rushed for 137 yards in 2 seasons at Bama and was dismissed from the team. He was then dismissed from UNLV. I am not disparaging the deceased but Tenpenny was a troubled soul who peaked in high school.

Your missing my point. He was awarded a scholarship to the defending National Champion, the favorite to win it in 2019. He's a qb who will have a front row seat to the most talked about qb battle in college sports. After the Championship game it became apparent that Bama won't be able to keep both Hurts and Tua. Nick Saban (The best coach in college football) realized he needed another qb, he could have offered anyone. He offered Hatcher.     
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: Coach Wood, RHS on May 25, 2018, 08:47:11 pm
Anyone who gets an offer from Bama is a big recruit in my opinion.  But just to make sure......Henry has an offer as well from Bama....among most of the other SEC schools.....and he just finished his Junior season.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize Hatcher played on the same team as Hunter Henry. I knew they had a couple Offensive Linemen get D1 offers from this team (2016-2018) but I didn't realize Hunter Henry was in that group, my math was off.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 09:39:31 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 09:15:00 pm
I stand corrected. I didn't realize Hatcher played on the same team as Hunter Henry. I knew they had a couple Offensive Linemen get D1 offers from this team (2016-2018) but I didn't realize Hunter Henry was in that group, my math was off.

Ships passing in the night.  You're talking about Hunter - coach is talking about Hudson who currently plays at PA.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 10:09:49 pm
Quote from: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 09:39:31 pm
Ships passing in the night.  You're talking about Hunter - coach is talking about Hudson who currently plays at PA.

Now I'm completely upside down. I'm talking about the Henry who played safety, I thought he got a scholarship to Arkansas, of the 3 PA players to get D1 offers he was the top prize. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: PA Dad on May 25, 2018, 10:12:08 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 25, 2018, 10:09:49 pm
Now I'm completely upside down. I'm talking about the Henry who played safety, I thought he got a scholarship to Arkansas, of the 3 PA players to get D1 offers he was the top prize.

That is Hayden.  Hudson is a tight end like Hunter.  He has offers from Arkansas, Alabama and a bunch of others.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Coach T Wood on May 25, 2018, 11:14:06 pm
Ok.   Officially, I am confused.    ;D
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on May 26, 2018, 08:13:28 am
Hunter- NFL TE never played with Hatcher
Hayden- LB Arkansas played with Hatcher
Hudson- PA WR played with Hatcher
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on May 26, 2018, 08:28:18 am
I will admit, this really surprised me! Hatcher has been a good high school QB, bit this leaves me scratching my head. 0 Power 5 offers...grey shirt to Arkansas State, offers to Eastern Illinois, Murray State and Georgetown...then out of nowhere, an offer to Alabama???
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 08:59:25 am
Quote from: STBruin on May 26, 2018, 08:28:18 am
I will admit, this really surprised me! Hatcher has been a good high school QB, bit this leaves me scratching my head. 0 Power 5 offers...grey shirt to Arkansas State, offers to Eastern Illinois, Murray State and Georgetown...then out of nowhere, an offer to Alabama???

Pipeline tool to try to get Henry?

Alas.....Gus malzhan to Arkansas.....Springdale 5 situation....??
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on May 26, 2018, 09:37:14 am
Quote from: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 08:59:25 am
Pipeline tool to try to get Henry?

Alas.....Gus malzhan to Arkansas.....Springdale 5 situation....??
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I don't think so, on either accord. I just don't see there being a package deal for a TE...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 09:44:19 am
Quote from: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 08:59:25 am
Pipeline tool to try to get Henry?

Alas.....Gus malzhan to Arkansas.....Springdale 5 situation....??

After my initial taunting I had time to take it in, my initial reaction is often wrong. STBruin made a solid point, the timing is bizarre. Why would Saban wait 4 months after signing day to offer a qb who no one else offered ? Saban is good, he's not that good. I'm starting to think it is a total "Your buddies here" situation. Can someone waste a scholarship ? Alabama can. They are 3 deep with 4/5 Stars at every position. In the light of day I think Airwarren may be correct. Saban's pitch, do you want to play for a sub 500 team in it's 2nd year of rebuilding or come play for a National Championship with your old qb ? 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 26, 2018, 12:29:50 pm
I'll laugh my butt off if Nick goes to the no punt philosophy  ;D
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 12:34:29 pm
Football scholarships are not always a black and white proposition. I myself was offered a full ride to SMU is the mid 80's. The problem was it was offered by the other 7 teams in the SWC.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: DuckyDon on May 26, 2018, 01:20:41 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 09:44:19 am
After my initial taunting I had time to take it in, my initial reaction is often wrong. STBruin made a solid point, the timing is bizarre. Why would Saban wait 4 months after signing day to offer a qb who no one else offered ? Saban is good, he's not that good. I'm starting to think it is a total "Your buddies here" situation. Can someone waste a scholarship ? Alabama can. They are 3 deep with 4/5 Stars at every position. In the light of day I think Airwarren may be correct. Saban's pitch, do you want to play for a sub 500 team in it's 2nd year of rebuilding or come play for a National Championship with your old qb ?

Hurts has to be transfering. Saban is good, but what did he see that EVERY other major college missed? Saban is good, but the other coaches AREN'T that bad...I just dont think this kid is a D1 talent. Watched a couple of his games, and was never overly impressed. Easy to look good with WR running WIDE butt open all over the field. what pitch does Saban have to give him? Its like a super model walking up to Erkel, and putting her underwear in his pocket!!!
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 02:10:15 pm
Quote from: DuckyDon on May 26, 2018, 01:20:41 pm
Hurts has to be transfering. Saban is good, but what did he see that EVERY other major college missed? Saban is good, but the other coaches AREN'T that bad...I just dont think this kid is a D1 talent. Watched a couple of his games, and was never overly impressed. Easy to look good with WR running WIDE butt open all over the field. what pitch does Saban have to give him? Its like a super model walking up to Erkel, and putting her underwear in his pocket!!!

It's almost June. If Hurts would have transferred he would have done it by now. Don't you think? It just seems like an odd time to transfer. And this whole Hatcher to bama thing just doesn't pass the smell test to me. LIL Nicky has something up his sleeve.

Anyone know Hatcher's relationship with Bielema? Funny how Bielema spends a lot of time in the off-season at Bama camps AND remember Enos is the offensive coordinator at bama now. I would bet money Enos told Nicky, we got a guy in Arkansas that can sling it...let me get MY hands on him.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 02:10:15 pm
It's almost June. If Hurts would have transferred he would have done it by now. Don't you think? It just seems like an odd time to transfer. And this whole Hatcher to bama thing just doesn't pass the smell test to me. LIL Nicky has something up his sleeve.

Anyone know Hatcher's relationship with Bielema? Funny how Bielema spends a lot of time in the off-season at Bama camps AND remember Enos is the offensive coordinator at bama now. I would bet money Enos told Nicky, we got a guy in Arkansas that can sling it...let me get MY hands on him.

Here's the thing Air, he really isn't at all impressive with his arm. I have always been impressed with his whatever it takes to win attitude. He is a MacGuyver in pads. His 40 can be timed orally (one mississippi, two mississippi), he doesn't have a cannon arm and not overly accurate. He is not jaw dropping in any one category, he is above average in all categories. He is almost impossible to tackle and wills his team to win. Let's face it, LRM had them dead to rights. The combination or LRM's coaches calling the worst possible plays at the end gave him a tiny crack. He marched right through it. The kid is a winner. At the beginning of last season PA Dad, Maynard, Yellowcake and others were commenting on PA's O-line being iffy, I wrote it off as selling wolf tickets. They were correct, their O-line was mediocre on a good night but Hatcher put up record breaking numbers. He went undefeated behind a average O-line and non-existant running game. That alone speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: DuckyDon on May 26, 2018, 03:43:10 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 26, 2018, 02:10:15 pm
It's almost June. If Hurts would have transferred he would have done it by now. Don't you think? It just seems like an odd time to transfer. And this whole Hatcher to bama thing just doesn't pass the smell test to me. LIL Nicky has something up his sleeve.

Anyone know Hatcher's relationship with Bielema? Funny how Bielema spends a lot of time in the off-season at Bama camps AND remember Enos is the offensive coordinator at bama now. I would bet money Enos told Nicky, we got a guy in Arkansas that can sling it...let me get MY hands on him.

True...but we do agree that something doesn't smell right...could it be $$$$$??

You would have thought if there was a relationship with Bielema and Hatcher he might have been recruiting him before he was shown the door...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: DuckyDon on May 26, 2018, 03:45:46 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
Here's the thing Air, he really isn't at all impressive with his arm. I have always been impressed with his whatever it takes to win attitude. He is a MacGuyver in pads. His 40 can be timed orally (one mississippi, two mississippi), he doesn't have a cannon arm and not overly accurate. He is not jaw dropping in any one category, he is above average in all categories. He is almost impossible to tackle and wills his team to win. Let's face it, LRM had them dead to rights. The combination or LRM's coaches calling the worst possible plays at the end gave him a tiny crack. He marched right through it. The kid is a winner. At the beginning of last season PA Dad, Maynard, Yellowcake and others were commenting on PA's O-line being iffy, I wrote it off as selling wolf tickets. They were correct, their O-line was mediocre on a good night but Hatcher put up record breaking numbers. He went undefeated behind a average O-line and non-existant running game. That alone speaks volumes.

From what I saw of the State Championship game, more of some of his WRs making plays, and the PA defense making a play/the LRM coaches calling a dumb play!!! Being named MVP was not indicative of his play during the game.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 26, 2018, 06:21:05 pm
Quote from: DuckyDon on May 26, 2018, 03:45:46 pm
From what I saw of the State Championship game, more of some of his WRs making plays, and the PA defense making a play/the LRM coaches calling a dumb play!!! Being named MVP was not indicative of his play during the game.

If your talking about that wobbly dead duck pass into the endzone when they were ahead/driving/eating clock, if that's the play than dumb is far too charitable. Moronic, brain dead clueless would be more apropos. The PA coaches were trying to hide their giggles after that interception. Yes, PA's defense stepped up big time. But I say without Hatcher LRM wins easily, he made some amazing plays with his feet. If his passing game was off it's because he could have told you how many cavities the LRM front 7 had, they were in his face all game. He took that game over.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MDXPHD on May 28, 2018, 08:42:47 am
Quote from: gameoflife on May 25, 2018, 02:27:55 pm
Is that correct Hatcher is going to Bama?

https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/Alabama-Football-Recruiting-Alabama-lands-2018-QB-Layne-Hatcher--118526329
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: OrangeCrush. on May 28, 2018, 10:14:07 am
My opinion... Saban got Hatcher because now Hatcher can play recruiter to get Henry to Bama for next year. Saban is smart, he didn't offer a kid that'll never play for no reason.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 28, 2018, 10:40:18 am
Quote from: MDXPHD on May 28, 2018, 08:42:47 am
https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/Alabama-Football-Recruiting-Alabama-lands-2018-QB-Layne-Hatcher--118526329

That pretty much explains it. It's still an honor for the kid even though it's a "can you set me up with your friend" situation.

On a side note, remember when you so vigorously defended someone on a basketball board awhile back ? How you bashed me and others for questioning the shenanigans of a local basketball family ? Well it seems the said player has transferred to PA, a school you have made a FF career out of questioning, for his senior year. He transferred a couple months after finishing his last game at SS. It seems as though your angel just got in bed with your devil, bummer! 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MDXPHD on May 28, 2018, 09:56:30 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 28, 2018, 10:40:18 am
That pretty much explains it. It's still an honor for the kid even though it's a "can you set me up with your friend" situation.

On a side note, remember when you so vigorously defended someone on a basketball board awhile back ? How you bashed me and others for questioning the shenanigans of a local basketball family ? Well it seems the said player has transferred to PA, a school you have made a FF career out of questioning, for his senior year. He transferred a couple months after finishing his last game at SS. It seems as though your angel just got in bed with your devil, bummer!

You need a hobby.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 28, 2018, 10:34:43 pm
Quote from: MDXPHD on May 28, 2018, 09:56:30 pm
You need a hobby.

Oooo, another stinging rebuke. Good one, never ever a response but a clever comeback. Point taken, maybe I'll obsess on a particular school for years straight. It seemed to keep you happy.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 09:31:53 am
Quote from: STBruin on May 26, 2018, 08:28:18 am
I will admit, this really surprised me! Hatcher has been a good high school QB, bit this leaves me scratching my head. 0 Power 5 offers...grey shirt to Arkansas State, offers to Eastern Illinois, Murray State and Georgetown...then out of nowhere, an offer to Alabama???

Those are the kind of offers you get when you don't have a high enough qualifying ACT score, apparently he has qualified now. Great offer from Bama and I don't blame him for taking it, but if he actually wanted to see the field in D1 he should've gone somewhere else.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Dr. Defense on May 29, 2018, 09:33:56 am
Quote from: gameoflife on May 25, 2018, 02:27:55 pm
Is that correct Hatcher is going to Bama?

Yes
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 29, 2018, 09:47:28 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 09:31:53 am
Those are the kind of offers you get when you don't have a high enough qualifying ACT score, apparently he has qualified now. Great offer from Bama and I don't blame him for taking it, but if he actually wanted to see the field in D1 he should've gone somewhere else.

Wait....I was under the impression that private schools produced only high act scores?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 09:53:23 am
Quote from: AirWarren on May 29, 2018, 09:47:28 am
Wait....I was under the impression that private schools produced only high act scores?

Money can't buy everything...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on May 29, 2018, 11:02:41 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 09:53:23 am
Money can't buy everything...
Do you know that he had an unqualifying ACT score, or are you guessing that's the case?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 11:22:01 am
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on May 29, 2018, 11:02:41 am
Do you know that he had an unqualifying ACT score, or are you guessing that's the case?

That's what I was told by a PA poster who is usually in the know about these type of things.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on May 29, 2018, 11:32:14 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 11:22:01 am
That's what I was told by a PA poster who is usually in the know about these type of things.
I don't know one way or the other, but it would be a little surprising to me.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on May 29, 2018, 01:32:04 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 11:22:01 am
That's what I was told by a PA poster who is usually in the know about these type of things.

Your source's information is not accurate.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 01:44:31 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on May 29, 2018, 01:32:04 pm
Your source's information is not accurate.

So the reason he had not signed an LOI yet was......?



I don't think he would've also posted this info on a message board if he didn't think/know it was true. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I was just answering the question about why no other schools worth a crap had offered. As I stated earlier, barring a rash of injuries in season, he'll never see the field at Bama.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 29, 2018, 01:47:35 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on May 29, 2018, 01:32:04 pm
Your source's information is not accurate.

I would tend to agree. The act issue would have been an issue back in February for any school. Besides, we're talking about Alabama not Stanford. ACT scores are to Alabama like what accordions are to deer hunting.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on May 29, 2018, 01:54:09 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 01:44:31 pm
So the reason he had not signed an LOI yet was......?

Do not know the reason for that.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Red Devil Alum on May 29, 2018, 03:26:13 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 29, 2018, 01:44:31 pm
So the reason he had not signed an LOI yet was......?



I don't think he would've also posted this info on a message board if he didn't think/know it was true. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I was just answering the question about why no other schools worth a crap had offered. As I stated earlier, barring a rash of injuries in season, he'll never see the field at Bama.
Generally speaking, the rigor of a PA degree can not be achieved without the ability to get a 21 on the ACT. I'm not saying absolutely, but it would be rare.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on May 29, 2018, 03:33:08 pm
If you have a 2.5 GPA in core classes...you only need a 820 on the SAT or around a 17 on the ACT. I seriously don't think that was the issue. Think the issue was more that he is 5'10, doesn't have a strong arm, and is not a running threat at all, not his testing scores.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 29, 2018, 05:07:04 pm
Quote from: STBruin on May 29, 2018, 03:33:08 pm
If you have a 2.5 GPA in core classes...you only need a 820 on the SAT or around a 17 on the ACT. I seriously don't think that was the issue. Think the issue was more that he is 5'10, doesn't have a strong arm, and is not a running threat at all, not his testing scores.

I think that is correct. I have always said his game is jaw dropping in no one aspect, it's very good in every aspect. If you figure Alabama has a scholarship or 2 to gamble on why not throw the dice on a Hudson Henry conduit ? I'd do it.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 29, 2018, 06:08:05 pm
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on May 29, 2018, 03:26:13 pm
Generally speaking, the rigor of a PA degree can not be achieved without the ability to get a 21 on the ACT. I'm not saying absolutely, but it would be rare.

Not to mention if you can master the PA offense you are going to handle the ACT hurdle with ease. The ACT speculation seems extremely unlikely to me
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: gameoflife on May 30, 2018, 10:33:52 am
I don't think you can automatically say the IQ academically and on the field are always the same.  Some very good players are not very good students and vice versa. 
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 30, 2018, 11:34:35 am
Quote from: gameoflife on May 30, 2018, 10:33:52 am
I don't think you can automatically say the IQ academically and on the field are always the same.  Some very good players are not very good students and vice versa.

I'm not saying its automatic in all cases but we're talking about QB for one of the more complex systems around and if I remember his "offer" list it included Georgetown
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 11:47:25 am
Quote from: Overdahill on May 30, 2018, 11:34:35 am
I'm not saying its automatic in all cases but we're talking about QB for one of the more complex systems around and if I remember his "offer" list it included Georgetown

Come on. There are some kids that can play football then there are kids that have a brain for complex chemistry. Football IQ and academia are two totally different beasts, I don't care how "complex" the pa playbook is.  Now, there are RARE cases where a kid is blessed with both. But again, that's rare.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: the voice on May 30, 2018, 11:58:36 am
I think most of the plays PA runs are determined presnap , kk gives a play and depending on the defense it's run accordingly. Most times it's more remembering the audibles for the week . I know greenwood only runs a few plays that have several different options. It seems really complex to some but it's really pretty simple. Take what they give you , which for PA includes taking shots down the field.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on May 30, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 11:47:25 am
Come on. There are some kids that can play football then there are kids that have a brain for complex chemistry. Football IQ and academia are two totally different beasts, I don't care how "complex" the pa playbook is.  Now, there are RARE cases where a kid is blessed with both. But again, that's rare.

That's a very good point. Take at look at a very obscure (sarcasm) example, Peyton Manning. As a student Manning was never considered an Oxford candidate. He struggled academically in high school and college. At the NFL combine he scored a 28 on the Wonderlic test (the test that measures intelligence), he was 20th in his combine among qb's. The average score of starting NFL qb's is 38. He ran the most complicated offense in the league better than anyone else. PA's offense is not Harvard, they just do it like a machine.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 12:39:00 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 30, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
That's a very good point. Take at look at a very obscure (sarcasm) example, Peyton Manning. As a student Manning was never considered an Oxford candidate. He struggled academically in high school and college. At the NFL combine he scored a 28 on the Wonderlic test (the test that measures intelligence), he was 20th in his combine among qb's. The average score of starting NFL qb's is 38. He ran the most complicated offense in the league better than anyone else. PA's offense is not Harvard, they just do it like a machine.

God's gifts. Sometimes comes as one....both....or not athletic or academic all. Haha.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 30, 2018, 02:40:20 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 30, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
That's a very good point. Take at look at a very obscure (sarcasm) example, Peyton Manning. As a student Manning was never considered an Oxford candidate. He struggled academically in high school and college. At the NFL combine he scored a 28 on the Wonderlic test (the test that measures intelligence), he was 20th in his combine among qb's. The average score of starting NFL qb's is 38. He ran the most complicated offense in the league better than anyone else. PA's offense is not Harvard, they just do it like a machine.

Yes and Manning also had the ACT score to play in the SEC. The ACT score to play in the SEC is not Harvard or Oxford level so bad comparison
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Overdahill on May 30, 2018, 02:57:29 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 11:47:25 am
Come on. There are some kids that can play football then there are kids that have a brain for complex chemistry. Football IQ and academia are two totally different beasts, I don't care how "complex" the pa playbook is.  Now, there are RARE cases where a kid is blessed with both. But again, that's rare.

Hello? I don't think one needs a brain for complex chemistry to score an acceptable ACT to play in the SEC
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 03:08:00 pm
Quote from: Overdahill on May 30, 2018, 02:57:29 pm
Hello? I don't think one needs a brain for complex chemistry to score an acceptable ACT to play in the SEC

I'm just saying. The way you talk the PA playbook is rocket science. Nothing rocket science about a natural born athlete knowing how and when to get the ball to playmakers.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: STBruin on May 30, 2018, 05:15:51 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 03:08:00 pm
I'm just saying. The way you talk the PA playbook is rocket science. Nothing rocket science about a natural born athlete knowing how and when to get the ball to playmakers.

I know of 1 play...that no matter what is called, if the defense lines up a certain way, they will automatically check to...and this year...scored quite a bit on it...
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on May 30, 2018, 08:55:58 pm
So what you are saying is if the defense does this, then the QB does this?  Wow!  That is complex.  I bet they do a bunch of repetitions to learn how to recognize that as well.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: yo on July 01, 2018, 04:37:10 pm
Who will be the next quarterback at PA?  With a program like that surely they have some stud in the system?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on July 01, 2018, 05:07:24 pm
Quote from: yo on July 01, 2018, 04:37:10 pm
Who will be the next quarterback at PA?  With a program like that surely they have some stud in the system?

Last year's backup QB will start this year.  Braden Bratcher will be a junior this season.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 14, 2018, 10:49:04 am
How is Hatcher doing at Bama?
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on July 16, 2018, 01:18:27 pm
Quote from: JessieP on May 30, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
That's a very good point. Take at look at a very obscure (sarcasm) example, Peyton Manning. As a student Manning was never considered an Oxford candidate. He struggled academically in high school and college. At the NFL combine he scored a 28 on the Wonderlic test (the test that measures intelligence), he was 20th in his combine among qb's. The average score of starting NFL qb's is 38. He ran the most complicated offense in the league better than anyone else. PA's offense is not Harvard, they just do it like a machine.

I'd like to see the numbers on Jay Cutler.  After all, he played at Vanderbilt, aka the Harvard of the South.  But he's also an idiot.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 10:00:13 pm
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on July 14, 2018, 10:49:04 am
How is Hatcher doing at Bama?
pratice squad, He will never see the field their.i flew in to watch the Nettleton game.They do a lot of deception with smart kids. He was a system quarterback. You could tell he was comfortable running that system. He is nowhere near and SEC caliber quarterback though. ASU would have been a perfect fit for him.He is a sunbelt conference type quarterback.I believe he will end up at Arkansas State via transfer after a couple years.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: JessieP on July 16, 2018, 10:06:14 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 10:00:13 pm
pratice squad, He will never see the field their.i flew in to watch the Nettleton game.They do a lot of deception with smart kids. He was a system quarterback. You could tell he was comfortable running that system. He is nowhere near and SEC caliber quarterback though. ASU would have been a perfect fit for him.He is a sunbelt conference type quarterback.I believe he will end up at Arkansas State via transfer after a couple years.

Some would argue that the practice squad a Bama is superior to the Sunbelt Conference.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 10:08:32 pm
Quote from: JessieP on July 16, 2018, 10:06:14 pm
Some would argue that the practice squad a Bama is superior to the Sunbelt Conference.
i would say so.,If he hangs out and stays their he is probably going to get a National championship ring or 2.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 17, 2018, 10:11:44 am
Quote from: JessieP on May 30, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
That's a very good point. Take at look at a very obscure (sarcasm) example, Peyton Manning. As a student Manning was never considered an Oxford candidate. He struggled academically in high school and college. At the NFL combine he scored a 28 on the Wonderlic test (the test that measures intelligence), he was 20th in his combine among qb's. The average score of starting NFL qb's is 38. He ran the most complicated offense in the league better than anyone else. PA's offense is not Harvard, they just do it like a machine.

A small correction.  Manning completed his undergraduate work at UT in 3 years and graduated with a 3.6 gpa in business and communication.  He remained for an addition year, his senior season.  I wouldn't say that his grades were unimpressive.  Hardly a dummy.
Title: Re: Lane Hatcher?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 17, 2018, 10:17:48 am
In fairness to Peyton Manning, his score of 28 is actually slightly above average. Quarterbacks average a score of 24 on the Wonderlic while all NFL players average about a 20.

Also, many famous NFL quarterbacks had terrible Wonderlic scores but went on to have great NFL careers. Most notably Vinny Testaverde (17) Terry Bradshaw (16) and Dan Marino (15).take a sample test blue callout copy

Finally, Peyton did score better on the Wonderlic than his 1998 draft rival Ryan Leaf who scored a 27.
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