Playoff Picture

[Absolut]

Its week 8 and the playoffs are almost here. Some teams are clearly pegged into certain seeds and some are still up for grabs. I have a good idea of who might get what seeds.

Watson Chapel 3rd seed from south
pine bluff 4th seed from south
Texarkana 5th seed from south
Sheridan 6th seed from south

West Memphis 1st seed from east
Jonesboro 2nd seed from east

My Playoff picture looks like this:

1S-El Dorado
Bye

4E-Marion
5S-Texarkana

2E-Jonesboro
Bye

3S-Watson Chapel
6E-Searcy



1E-West Memphis
Bye

4S-Pine Bluff
5E-Mountain Home

2S-Lake Hamilton
Bye

3E-LR Parkview
6S-Sheridan

[bomberfootball#4]

It looks pretty good to me

[bigfatguy]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

[green-eagle]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

the team that are on the top side of the bracket.....

[bigfatguy]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

the team that are on the top side of the bracket.....

So number 1 seeds will play at home as long as they are still alive. Thanks for the quick reply.

[the#1man]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

two teams of the same seed cant play each other

[green-eagle]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

two teams of the same seed cant play each other

yes you are right, they can not play each other in the same bracket  but also you are wrong....two teams of the same seed can play each other only in the championship game.

[bigfatguy]

I wasn't very clear in my original post....I meant to ask two questions. 1)How is home field determined for the games and 2)if two teams of the same seed end up in the finals, who wears the home jersey. That's what I get for trying to type and watch the Dodgers game at the same time.

Green-Eagle answered both without meaning to :-)

[onegearruss]

If two teams of the same seed end up playing each other, how do they determine home field?

two teams of the same seed cant play each other

yes you are right, they can not play each other in the same bracket  but also you are wrong....two teams of the same seed can play each other only in the championship game.

Your answer is correct, but its a trick question because the game is in little rock.

[Absolut]

People the playoffs are two weeks away. Let's get this thing jumping. I think Im a little off on my east seeding. I will redo my bracket. East fans don't let us southies scare yall off. At least W. Memphis and Jonesboro look like they have a chance.

[42 trap works too]

I bet that will be close (your playoff picture).

I think Parkview and Mtn. Home may be switched from what you have.  There is a real good chance at a 3 way tie for the 3 seed if I am not mistaken.

Also, given Texarkana recent production problems, the Sheridan Texarkana game may move things around a bit.

Even though it is 2 weeks away it is still fun to talk about and try to figure out how much sleep I will get the night before deer season.

[ricepig]

People the playoffs are two weeks away. Let's get this thing jumping. I think Im a little off on my east seeding. I will redo my bracket. East fans don't let us southies scare yall off. At least W. Memphis and Jonesboro look like they have a chance.

Lots of different scenarios on seeds still to be decided, most will wait until the last Thursday/Friday. I don't think the players will change, but maybe their dance partners, looking forward to see what the matches will be.

[bentley03]

Looks good to me. I'm not even going to pretend that I know much about the south teams or their seeds. I do know that they're very good and probably over all better than the east. But the east is very top heavy so things could get exciting. I'm ready for the playoffs too.

[GuvHog]

People the playoffs are two weeks away. Let's get this thing jumping. I think Im a little off on my east seeding. I will redo my bracket. East fans don't let us southies scare yall off. At least W. Memphis and Jonesboro look like they have a chance.

Let me add this: The only way WC would lose the 3 seed is by
losing to either Sheridan or Benton and that is very unlikely to
happen. Even a 3 way tie with PB and Texarkana would still
result in WC getting the 3 seed because they have wins over
both the Zebra's and the Razorbacks.

[42 trap works too]

I thought they use 'tie breaker points' to eliminate the 1st team in a 3-way tie... and then look at head to head on the remaining two to see who wins tie breaker.  Or has that changed?  In that scenario WC could drop out even though they beat them.  Least that is the way I understood and I'm sure if I am wrong someone will correct me. 

But with all that said, WC is most likely going to win out.

[Absolut]

Ok I modified my bracket. The east #3 seed is a mess, but I think Parkview will get the #3 seed, Marion 4th, M.Home 5th and Searcy 6th. Basically I just went with the RPS predictions this week for the east and guessed for the week 10 games.

I think the updated bracket is a little more interesting. The Marion/Texarkana game would be a tossup. The winner however might pose more trouble than expected to El Dorado. Texarkana played el dorado to a 14-13 game earlier this season and Marion runs a style of offense that might pose problems to el do like they did last year in the playoffs. W. Memphis and pine bluff could have a rematch in the second round. Even though WM would be the favorite I wouldnt want to face pb for my first playoff game.

[GuvHog]

I thought they use 'tie breaker points' to eliminate the 1st team in a 3-way tie... and then look at head to head on the remaining two to see who wins tie breaker.  Or has that changed?  In that scenario WC could drop out even though they beat them.  Least that is the way I understood and I'm sure if I am wrong someone will correct me. 

But with all that said, WC is most likely going to win out.

Not if one team has wins over the other 2 teams in a 3 way
tie, head to head is allways first. Now if each of the 3 teams
has beaten one but lost to the other THEN points come into
play.

[GuvHog]

Ok I modified my bracket. The east #3 seed is a mess, but I think Parkview will get the #3 seed, Marion 4th, M.Home 5th and Searcy 6th.

Who does Mountain Home and Searcy play in week 10?

[Absolut]

Searcy plays at Mountain Home in week 10. I predict M. Home will beat Searcy. Both might finish 3-4, but M. Home would have the tiebreaker I think.

[GuvHog]

Searcy plays at Mountain Home in week 10. I predict M. Home will beat Searcy. Both might finish 3-4, but M. Home would have the tiebreaker I think.

If Mountain Home were to upset Parkview this week and then
beat Searcy they would get the 4 seed leaving Parkview at
5 and Searcy at 6. However, if Searcy were to beat Mountain
Home in week 10 then you have a 3 way tie for 4th.

[42 trap works too]

I thought they use 'tie breaker points' to eliminate the 1st team in a 3-way tie... and then look at head to head on the remaining two to see who wins tie breaker.  Or has that changed?  In that scenario WC could drop out even though they beat them.  Least that is the way I understood and I'm sure if I am wrong someone will correct me. 

But with all that said, WC is most likely going to win out.

Not if one team has wins over the other 2 teams in a 3 way
tie, head to head is allways first. Now if each of the 3 teams
has beaten one but lost to the other THEN points come into
play.

You are 100% correct, unlike some others, I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.  But I have lots of practice........I'm married.

II TIE‐BREAKING PROCEDURE
A. In conferences with three teams that have identical conference
records:
1. If one team has beaten the other two teams, the winner
is the first qualifier for the play‐offs.

[patspain]

Ok I modified my bracket. The east #3 seed is a mess, but I think Parkview will get the #3 seed, Marion 4th, M.Home 5th and Searcy 6th. Basically I just went with the RPS predictions this week for the east and guessed for the week 10 games.

I think the updated bracket is a little more interesting. The Marion/Texarkana game would be a tossup. The winner however might pose more trouble than expected to El Dorado. Texarkana played el dorado to a 14-13 game earlier this season and Marion runs a style of offense that might pose problems to el do like they did last year in the playoffs. W. Memphis and pine bluff could have a rematch in the second round. Even though WM would be the favorite I wouldnt want to face pb for my first playoff game.

you hit the nail on the head with that one..but i think marion will be #2 seed..if we beat jonesboro and jax. we really want that 1st round bye then a easy playoff game then to go play eldo! rematch?? ohh yeaaa!

[Absolut]

Im really going to be paying attention to that Jonesboro/Marion game. Either way WC will be waiting on one of those teams.

[bentley03]

Searcy plays at Mountain Home in week 10. I predict M. Home will beat Searcy. Both might finish 3-4, but M. Home would have the tiebreaker I think.

If Mountain Home were to upset Parkview this week and then
beat Searcy they would get the 4 seed leaving Parkview at
5 and Searcy at 6. However, if Searcy were to beat Mountain
Home in week 10 then you have a 3 way tie for 4th.

I think that MH will beat Parkview and Searcy. So the seeds from the east should look like this:

1. West Memphis
2. Jonesboro
3. Marion
4. Mountain Home
5. Parkview
6. Searcy

But it's still way too early to acurately predict the seeding. That is just my opinion.

[Pitch DR]

Could someone please list the current standings and conference records on each side? 

[42 trap works too]

was going to post a link but FF blocked the link.  sorry pitch

[ricepig]

Beat me to it, did you get a pitcher hurt up here last Friday? Try three forums up.it has all the records and points.

[onegearruss]

Searcy plays at Mountain Home in week 10. I predict M. Home will beat Searcy. Both might finish 3-4, but M. Home would have the tiebreaker I think.

If Mountain Home were to upset Parkview this week and then
beat Searcy they would get the 4 seed leaving Parkview at
5 and Searcy at 6. However, if Searcy were to beat Mountain
Home in week 10 then you have a 3 way tie for 4th.

I think that MH will beat Parkview and Searcy. So the seeds from the east should look like this:

1. West Memphis
2. Jonesboro
3. Marion
4. Mountain Home
5. Parkview
6. Searcy

But it's still way too early to acurately predict the seeding. That is just my opinion.

What is Parkviews record ?

[AHS06]

6-A SOUTH CONFERENCE

District Season

Team W-L PF-PA W-L PF-PA

El Dorado 5-0 154-53 8-0 220-92

Lake Hamilton 4-1 144-106 6-2 213-175

Watson Chapel 3-2 162-100 6-2 273-134

Pine Bluff 3-2 171-76 4-4 274-177

Sheridan 2-3 69-137 3-5 117-247

Arkansas High 2-3 117-115 2-6 166-224

Benton 1-4 55-162 1-7 75-288

J.A. Fair 0-5 45-168 1-7 83-252

LAST WEEK'S RESULTS

Pine Bluff 42, Sheridn 6; Watson Chapel. 30, Arkansas High 6; El Dorado 28, Lake Hamilton 0; Benton 9, J. A. Fair 6

THIS WEEK'S GAMES

Pine Bluff at J. A. Fair (Thursday); Arkansas High at Lake Hamilton, El Dorado at Benton, Watson Chapel at Sheridan.

[Majique™]

A couple unexpected losses and this picture could really scramble up!

[AHS06]

No the South seeding is pretty much set in stone.

1.  El Dorado
2.  Lake Hamilton
3.  Watson Chapel
4.  Pine Bluff
5.  Texarkana
6.  Sheridan

[Majique™]

No the South seeding is pretty much set in stone.

1.  El Dorado
2.  Lake Hamilton
3.  Watson Chapel
4.  Pine Bluff
5.  Texarkana
6.  Sheridan

Sure, if all goes as most expect.  But note the word UNEXPECTED, ie  El Do loses 2, WC loses 2, etc.  Extremely unlikely but man, wouldn't that makes things interesting! 

[GuvHog]

No the South seeding is pretty much set in stone.

1.  El Dorado
2.  Lake Hamilton
3.  Watson Chapel
4.  Pine Bluff
5.  Texarkana
6.  Sheridan

Who does Texarkana play in week 10? Both Texarkana and Sheridan will
likely suffer losses tonight so week 10 could determine the 5 and 6 seeds.

[shs_chick_02]

texarkana plays sheridan next week

[GuvHog]

texarkana plays sheridan next week

That's what I thought. So if both teams lose tonight then the winner
of that game will get the #5 seed. Correct??

[42 trap works too]

texarkana plays sheridan next week

That's what I thought. So if both teams lose tonight then the winner
of that game will get the #5 seed. Correct??

my math tells me you are correct.

[BudKilmer]

Playoff Picture?



There you go.

[Absolut]

Alright the seedings should be a little more clear after tonight. Texarkana beat Lake Hamilton 21-18. If only LH weren't playing LR Fair in week 10. WC could've had a shot at the #2 seed.

[chiefsfan]

East is still muddled

1  WM
2 Jonesboro

Then it gets fun

Parkview is 4-2 but plays West Memphis week 10  which puts them at 4-3

Marion and Searcy are both 3-3

MH is 2-4

Searcy plays at Mountain home    Marion plays at Jacksonville

If:  Mountain Home Beats Searcy

3   Parkview
4   Marion
5   Mountain Home
6  Searcy

If Searcy beats Mountain Home.  we have a 3 way tie between Parkview  Marion and Searcy.  Head to head is a triangle.     Then your seeds come down to the points,  which I dont have

[bigtrout]

IF WM beats Parkview and Searcy beats Mt Home...your 3 way tie scenario looks something like this...

Going into week 10 games, Parkview has 44 points, Marion has 39 points, and Searcy has 27 points. If Parkview loses to WM, they would still have 44 points. So...Marion would have to win by 6 or more to pass Parkview in tiebreaker points. Searcy looks screwed unless Marion just wins by 1, AND they win by 13 or more, AND WM beats PV.

I'm on my first cup of coffee this morning so check my math...PLEASE.

[gatecrasher]

...if you would have taken care of business against us (just wasn't gonna beat us) or Lake Hamilton (blew a 15 pt lead) then you wouldn't need any help would you?

[Absolut]

That's ok because we like what the #3 seed has to offer. We get a home playoff game against a bottom feeder in the east and then play Jonesboro in the 2nd round. Remember we were a 5 seed last season and made it into the semifinals.

I've watched tape of the first WC/El Do game. We missed some opportunites on a couple of key drives. Some that could have given us a two touchdown lead. We outplayed yall in the first half and had the lead going in. This time we're gonna finish your butts off. Enjoy these last 3 weeks of El Dorado football Gate. Enjoy them. WC is on the horizon.

[chiefsfan]

IF WM beats Parkview and Searcy beats Mt Home...your 3 way tie scenario looks something like this...

Going into week 10 games, Parkview has 44 points, Marion has 39 points, and Searcy has 27 points. If Parkview loses to WM, they would still have 44 points. So...Marion would have to win by 6 or more to pass Parkview in tiebreaker points. Searcy looks screwed unless Marion just wins by 1, AND they win by 13 or more, AND WM beats PV.

I'm on my first cup of coffee this morning so check my math...PLEASE.

Marion plays jacksonville.  they better win by 13 points

The question is what happens after the points are used to determine the 3 seed,  are they used again to determine the 4...or do those two teams revert back to a head to head tiebreaker?

[Pitch DR]

OK, so I know JAX has struggled, but is there no chance for an upset of Marion at home?  Bugs?  Because that could create one more interesting scenario.  A JAX upset combined with WM beating Parkview and Searcy beating MH would put Searcy as the #3 seed.  Correct?  Maybe not likely but possible.  Searcy can certainly play with and beat MH.  Could Marion stumble?  Could JAX rise to the occasion? 

Just the fact that this is a possibility, or a win over MH creating a possible three-way tie for third place for Searcy, says a lot about how hard the coaching staff and players have worked to turn the program around.  Congrats, gentlemen.  Keep fighting.

[gatecrasher]

You have no idea Absolut.....

We are NOT the same team yall faced on that tape. You may as well throw it in the trash....

You can't, and won't beat us.....

There is good news though....

You will be serious title contenders in 2010.....

.....in Class 5A......

These next two seasons (2009-10) belong to the El Dorado Wildcats in this classification.....

[GuvHog]

You have no idea Absolut.....

We are NOT the same team yall faced on that tape. You may as well throw it in the trash....

You can't, and won't beat us.....

There is good news though....

You will be serious title contenders in 2010.....

.....in Class 5A......

These next two seasons (2009-10) belong to the El Dorado Wildcats in this classification.....

If I were you, I'd worry about having to Play PB in their
stadium. They've seriously righted their ship and are a
strong possibility to ruin your perfect 6A South record.

[gatecrasher]

....their chances are in direct proportion with whether we sit our starters....

The perfect regular season is the only meaning this game has......

That and someone's chances of getting hurt.....

Stay tuned.....if Reed, Murphy, Jaq Miles (NEEDS to sit), etc sit after a couple of series, then that would be the ONLY way PB has a chance.....

Other than that, well, it won't be by 24 like last year but we'll win handily

[AHS06]

....their chances are in direct proportion with whether we sit our starters....

The perfect regular season is the only meaning this game has......

That and someone's chances of getting hurt.....

Stay tuned.....if Reed, Murphy, Jaq Miles (NEEDS to sit), etc sit after a couple of series, then that would be the ONLY way PB has a chance.....

Other than that, well, it won't be by 24 like last year but we'll win handily

Dude PB played two close and lose by a combine score of 7 points to lh and wc. they came together against they are the pb team that was ranked 1st in preseason i cant wait to go back to eldo in 3 weeks.

[bigtrout]

IF WM beats Parkview and Searcy beats Mt Home...your 3 way tie scenario looks something like this...

Going into week 10 games, Parkview has 44 points, Marion has 39 points, and Searcy has 27 points. If Parkview loses to WM, they would still have 44 points. So...Marion would have to win by 6 or more to pass Parkview in tiebreaker points. Searcy looks screwed unless Marion just wins by 1, AND they win by 13 or more, AND WM beats PV.

I'm on my first cup of coffee this morning so check my math...PLEASE.

Marion plays jacksonville.  they better win by 13 points

The question is what happens after the points are used to determine the 3 seed,  are they used again to determine the 4...or do those two teams revert back to a head to head tiebreaker?

In the case of a perfect 3 way tie...the top 2 in points are figured on the basis of head to head. Then, the loser of that is figured head to head against the other team. Example...
Lets say Marion (who currently has 39 pts) beats Jax by 13...that would give them 52 pts. Parkview has 44 already...Searcy has 27. The top 2 in pts would be Marion and Parkview. Parkview beat Marion so they are the #3 seed. Marion would then do head to head against Searcy. They beat Searcy so Marion gets the #4 seed. Searcy gets the #5 in that scenario.

So...here is the reality of where we are:
LR Parkview gets the #3 seed with a win over WM OR if they lose to WM (1) by Marion winning over Jax or (2) Searcy losing to Mtn Home........they finish the #4 seed if they lose to WM, Marion loses to Jax, and Searcy wins. They would tie only with Searcy and lose the head to head.

Marion gets the #4 seed in every scenario if they win. They cannot get the #3 because they lose the head to head with Parkview. If they lose and Searcy wins, they would get the #5. I think that is the only way they are not the #4.

Searcy can get the #3 by WM beating Parkview, Marion losing to Jax, and them beating Mtn Home. Under all other scenarios they finish the #5 seed. (as far as I can tell)

[gatecrasher]

AHS....just because they trashed yall doesn't make them a contender....

Face reality: the El Do team yall played last month is not the one you may see in 3 weeks....

You will not like the results.

And as far as this week, what part of "we may sit starters" do you not understand?

It's not etched in stone yet, but we need to be healthy in the playoffs.