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Private schools continued domination.

Started by Sigmund Sauer, March 10, 2018, 08:49:20 pm

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Sigmund Sauer

March 10, 2018, 08:49:20 pm Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 08:53:28 pm by Sigmund Sauer
Percentage wise, they are such a very small portion of the total schools in Arkansas, yet they continue athletic domination in many sports, even taking the 4A boys and girls basketball championship. Just amazing. Maybe the public schools need to take some lessons from these private schools and there ability to consistently maintain superior athletic programs.  ;) Congrats CAC and Baptist Prep  ;D

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luxora4life

Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on March 10, 2018, 08:49:20 pm
Percentage wise, they are such a very small portion of the total schools in Arkansas, yet they continue athletic domination in many sports, even taking the 4A boys and girls basketball championship. Just amazing. Maybe the public schools need to take some lessons from these private schools and there ability to consistently maintain superior athletic programs.  ;) Congrats CAC and Baptist Prep  ;D

Really?,  the way these kids are transferring from public school to public school for sports. Come on man!

Sigmund Sauer

March 10, 2018, 09:02:56 pm #3 Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 09:04:29 pm by Sigmund Sauer
Quote from: luxora4life on March 10, 2018, 09:00:32 pm
Really?,  the way these kids are transferring from public school to public school for sports. Come on man!
Exactly, and public schools STILL can't compete! Says a lot huh?

RamblinRazorWreck

Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on March 10, 2018, 09:02:56 pm
Exactly, and public schools STILL can't compete! Says a lot huh?

Who are all the transfers that took their teams to the Titles this weekend for CAC & BP? 

Sigmund Sauer

Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on March 10, 2018, 09:27:31 pm
Who are all the transfers that took their teams to the Titles this weekend for CAC & BP?
Does MaxPreps go as far back as elementary?

Neckred

Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on March 10, 2018, 08:49:20 pm
Percentage wise, they are such a very small portion of the total schools in Arkansas, yet they continue athletic domination in many sports, even taking the 4A boys and girls basketball championship. Just amazing. Maybe the public schools need to take some lessons from these private schools and there ability to consistently maintain superior athletic programs.  ;) Congrats CAC and Baptist Prep  ;D
Moron

JessieP

Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on March 10, 2018, 08:49:20 pm
Percentage wise, they are such a very small portion of the total schools in Arkansas, yet they continue athletic domination in many sports, even taking the 4A boys and girls basketball championship. Just amazing. Maybe the public schools need to take some lessons from these private schools and there ability to consistently maintain superior athletic programs.  ;) Congrats CAC and Baptist Prep  ;D

They have success because they have no boundaries, plenty of money, higher paid staff and a dozen other advantages public schools cannot match. They purchase success.

2fe

Quote from: JessieP on March 11, 2018, 05:06:04 pm
They have success because they have no boundaries, plenty of money, higher paid staff and a dozen other advantages public schools cannot match. They purchase success.

You have zero clue on some of the stuff you mention. Boundaries I'll give you. You've obviously never been to Baptist Prep.  Their facilities are mediocre at best....probably below average for who they compete with.

They would laugh in your face on the "higher paid staff" comment. They'd trade salaries with any public school coach with the same number of years experience in about 2 seconds if you offered it. And, no state teacher retirement.

Really, the only place with facilities that rival what's going on at many publics is LRCA.

Bbal789

So many public schools have much better facilities than them. Baptist Prep had one kid Javion Collins who came over from Parkview because he knew he would play more and contribute more. His dad also coached Connor Vanover at a young age on the Arkansas Bluechips so they already knew each other. Issac Mcbride has been going to Baptist Prep since he was born.

Ctucker

Guy Perkins won class A had transfers NLR won 7a had transfers Mills had transfers not sure on Parkveiw!Public schools do it a lot worse than Private! If anybody knows of the private schools doing name a name if your so sure it happens their so much!My kids went to Public school But been around Harding closes private school in our area don't see any evidence of them doing it!

Ladyfan

Quote from: 2fe on March 11, 2018, 06:29:23 pm
You have zero clue on some of the stuff you mention. Boundaries I'll give you. You've obviously never been to Baptist Prep.  Their facilities are mediocre at best....probably below average for who they compete with.

They would laugh in your face on the "higher paid staff" comment. They'd trade salaries with any public school coach with the same number of years experience in about 2 seconds if you offered it. And, no state teacher retirement.

Really, the only place with facilities that rival what's going on at many publics is LRCA.

Ditto all of this! Have you visited CAC? Can not compare to the millions of dollars put into NLR's and Robinson's facilities just to name a couple or even the other private schools in LR area (Episcopal, LRCA, PA) and even theirs aren't grand. 

Typically speaking, private school teachers and coaches are  paid less than their public school counterparts. I know there are exceptions but not many.

Ctucker

Quote from: Bbal789 on March 11, 2018, 07:12:23 pm
So many public schools have much better facilities than them. Baptist Prep had one kid Javion Collins who came over from Parkview because he knew he would play more and contribute more. His dad also coached Connor Vanover at a young age on the Arkansas Bluechips so they already knew each other. Issac Mcbride has been going to Baptist Prep since he was born.
Quote from: Ctucker on March 11, 2018, 07:16:08 pm
Guy Perkins won class A had transfers NLR won 7a had transfers Mills had transfers not sure on Parkveiw!Public schools do it a lot worse than Private! If anybody knows of the private schools doing name a name if your so sure it happens their so much!My kids went to Public school But been around Harding closes private school in our area don't see any evidence of them doing it!
If he transfer after 8th grade he should have had to sit a year isn't that the rule know! Because you can not move into a private school district they don't have any so if he done it this year should be ineligible just ask Doakes from Jacksonville!

Ladyfan

Quote from: Ctucker on March 11, 2018, 07:20:57 pm
If he transfer after 8th grade he should have had to sit a year isn't that the rule know! Because you can not move into a private school district they don't have any so if he done it this year should be ineligible just ask Doakes from Jacksonville!

If a student chooses to go to a private school after being in public school they must sit out a year. You typically see an influx during 8th grade and it tapers from there. A transfer from private to public does not have the same requirement. I believe a private to private transfer has the same requirement, but I'm not as familiar with those.

Ctucker

Quote from: Ladyfan on March 11, 2018, 08:35:59 pm
If a student chooses to go to a private school after being in public school they must sit out a year. You typically see an influx during 8th grade and it tapers from there. A transfer from private to public does not have the same requirement. I believe a private to private transfer has the same requirement, but I'm not as familiar with those.
Thats the way I understand it too! Only way you don't have to sit is if your going back to public school in your district.

MDXPHD

Where are y'all getting 8th grade? And also where are y'all getting boundaries?

The advantages are more about socioeconomic factors. No reason to get into this again. Too many to list.

Ctucker

Quote from: MDXPHD on March 11, 2018, 10:02:37 pm
Where are y'all getting 8th grade? And also where are y'all getting boundaries?

The advantages are more about socioeconomic factors. No reason to get into this again. Too many to list.
If you do it after 8th grade you have to sit a year it's the rule can't go to private school and play without sitting a year! Same for public unless it's a legit move! Can't have a legit move into private school district because they do not have one. So if you ask me it's easier to recruit at public schools!

Coach DePriest, Sheridan

If you transfer after July 1 before your 7th grade year, then you have to sit a year.

Ctucker

Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on March 12, 2018, 05:53:52 pm
If you transfer after July 1 before your 7th grade year, then you have to sit a year.
Ok thought it was 8th but I knew it was before 9th for sure!

freethrow

From Nonpublic to Nonpublic School.

A student transferring from one nonpublic school to another nonpublic school may meet the
domicile requirement and be immediately eligible for interscholastic athletic participation if the
student enrolls by July 1 before entering the 7th grade.  When a nonpublic school does not
offer enrollment for grades 7 and/or 8, the student may become immediately eligible by
enrolling by July 1 prior to the lowest grade offered by that school provided the CSAP form is
signed.  Students enrolling in a nonpublic school after the period provided for immediate
eligibility above shall be ineligible for 365 days.

After July 1 prior to entering the 7th grade, a student whose parents live outside a 25
mile radius of a nonpublic school must make a bona fide move to within a 25 mile radius of the
school that the student will attend to become eligible.

87DAWG

March 13, 2018, 09:56:54 am #20 Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 10:00:26 am by 87DAWG
Quote from: Ctucker on March 11, 2018, 07:16:08 pm
Guy Perkins won class A had transfers NLR won 7a had transfers Mills had transfers not sure on Parkveiw!Public schools do it a lot worse than Private! If anybody knows of the private schools doing name a name if your so sure it happens their so much!My kids went to Public school But been around Harding closes private school in our area don't see any evidence of them doing it!

RedWolf275

I see no reason that private schools won't continue to dominate.

OB11

Quote from: 87DAWG on March 13, 2018, 09:56:54 am


Harding is normally left out of these conversations when it comes to private schools recruiting. Is it just because they don't do it? They have definitely been successful in all sports. You just don't hear many complaints with them. At least not on here like with other private schools.

redrider30

There is a simple solution to this. Look at our neighbor Tennessee. They have a couple of private school divisions where teams compete for a state championship in that division. Eliminates a lot of problems. Then they are competing for state championships against other private school teams.

MDXPHD

Quote from: redrider30 on March 13, 2018, 02:14:49 pm
There is a simple solution to this. Look at our neighbor Tennessee. They have a couple of private school divisions where teams compete for a state championship in that division. Eliminates a lot of problems. Then they are competing for state championships against other private school teams.

It's not nearly that simple though. Arkansas doesn't have enough private schools for this -- especially football. And punishing the kids isn't the solution.

Additionally, if they have a private school division and aren't governed by AAA, then what kind of rules would the have on recruiting? They might make it to where you could openly recruit and boosters could really take away from the public schools then.

Mulerider4Life

The AAA will need to come up with something though. Just curious who will step up and come up with that solution.

BadBadger30

March 14, 2018, 11:05:51 am #26 Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 02:53:27 pm by BadBadger30
There are coaches in every sport, in every classification, at every type of school who do illegal "recruiting" activities. It happens in every part of the state. Conversations at AAU tournaments, telling players to encourage their friends to transfer, etc. The major difference is, school choice essentially permits this without retribution for public schools. Private schools can have a student (whom they've never seen or heard of) transfer in as an 8th grader from 24 or fewer miles away, and they are forced to sit out for a full 365 days. There are rules in place to prevent recruiting for private schools, and minimal governance in the public school realm. In my opinion, as soon as school choice was implemented, private schools should have fallen into that category, providing they're located in the same area as other district schools.

As far as "higher pay" is concerned, that is just an absolute joke of a claim. Majority of private schools pay far less and offer minimal to no benefits, including retirement.

Two of the 28 teams competing for a State Championship in basketball this season were private schools. McBride is one of the top players in the state, and Williams is clearly the best in the country. Both teams are made up of much fewer transfers than several schools competing this past weekend. In certain parts of the state, I have seen the best private school athletes transfer to public schools to compete at a higher level. The idea of private schools "paying" to get the best athletes in the area is ridiculous.

Some private schools ruin the reputation for the whole bunch, which is unfortunate, but there are several public schools guilty of the same infractions that EVERY private school gets tabbed for. No one seems to worry about the multiple private schools throughout the state who aren't hanging championship banners every year.  ;D

Regardless, this debate will go on, and people will always try to find any scapegoat they can to justify their school's lack of success. At the end of the day, as long as kids are getting a solid education (public or private), and everyone adheres to the rules with integrity, there should be no issues. Unfortunately, that won't be the case in either.

WarriorFan

Let the public schools recruit in a 25 mile radius and see how many privates win.

NWA Hawg

Quote from: WarriorFan on May 04, 2018, 01:53:47 pm
Let the public schools recruit in a 25 mile radius and see how many privates win.

Public schools do! Have you seen the little rock school dsitrict? What about the NEA region of the state. Don't give me that excuse.

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