So, I'm up this evening doing that midnight feeding of my little 3 week old son and a buddy of mine texts me with yet another "transfer" into the Robinson school district. I just find it funny that this is the third such transfer that I'm aware of since the end of football season and it's really strange that all three play football.
I'm not going to put any names on here, out of respect to the kids, but I have the names if anyone wants to call bluffs here. I realize that the school of choice rule bends the line a good bit, but it's strange how Robinson really seems to be the beneficiary of so many of these type of transfers. I'm sure the academics there in West Little Rock are solid, but I can't help but think the decisions are based around the football field.
Anyways, just found it interesting. School of choice really only seems to be helping one very particular school of choice in Little Rock at the moment. Sure seems like Eskola has done a fine job building teams but still doesn't have any hardware to show for it. It's safe to say the Senators have had a very busy offseason!
-Kyle
Still won't be able to beat Arkadelphia or Warren when it matters most....
The Metro all-star team still can't beat the little hometown kids from south Arkansas.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on March 16, 2019, 09:10:56 am
The Metro all-star team still can't beat the little hometown kids from south Arkansas.
Yes and throw in they won't beat Nashville either when all the marbles are on the line in the postseason..... Coaching and toughness matters at the end.
Wonder if Eskola get any kick backs from the Chamber of Commerce or has any relatives making a killing off the real estate that changes hands every season there? Does the basketball, baseball, track, softball, or soccer coaches scour the city like Ol' Todd does?
By the sound of it no one is worried about them in the playoffs regardless of who they have, so who cares who they get.
If they ever go get some real coaches instead of clowns then we will be worried.
Wonder how much the blending affects team cohesion?
If I'm a kid playing at a loser Little Rock school who is concerned about "me" and only me...decides to come to the hot up and coming Little Rock school with the nice facilities but is in it for "me" and exposure and not the team.
Kids in most small towns grow up playing together from pee wee and up. They form bonds. They form Cohesion. But when you got a team of kids from multiple middle schools from across Little Rock and north Little Rock and central Arkansas in general, then there is allegiance to me and not the program.
I'll take a team of 35-40 WARREN kids who have been winning pee wee championships together than a team of 65 metro Little Rock middle school kids who just met.
Just my take.
The bag man has found his poach team for sure. PH bucs. Several of the seniors from this years senior class at joe t were products of the Bucs team. Including The DE at Arkansas and 4 others.
Warren pee wee handles the PH bucs this year. Lil ole Warren. Bag man might need to find some new blood.
Quote from: AirWarren on March 16, 2019, 11:08:35 am
Wonder how much the blending affects team cohesion?
If I'm a kid playing at a loser Little Rock school who is concerned about "me" and only me...decides to come to the hot up and coming Little Rock school with the nice facilities but is in it for "me" and exposure and not the team.
Kids in most small towns grow up playing together from pee wee and up. They form bonds. They form Cohesion. But when you got a team of kids from multiple middle schools from across Little Rock and north Little Rock and central Arkansas in general, then there is allegiance to me and not the program.
I'll take a team of 35-40 WARREN kids who have been winning pee wee championships together than a team of 65 metro Little Rock middle school kids who just met.
Just my take.
I think this post is 100% spot on.... I have seen this at PG. Those good groups that came through between 2-5 years ago I would see about 15 kids in the summers many evenings working on 7 on 7 stuff together with NO COACHES. They were doing this all on their own. I did not see any of that last summer, and hence PG dropped off this last season. Yes, I'm not naïve to know talent matters, but those good group of PG kids had the right mindset. They had what you just talked about "that togetherness for a similar goal" which probably came from growing up together throughout school. What you just described you just can't put a price tag on when kids are in it together for the same goal and go the extra mile as a GROUP, and not an individual. You can't coach that either.... It's intrinsic up to the kids. When you have a group of kids who have good cohesion working hard seems a lot more fun than just doing something for themselves.
Air Warren I agree that in a perfect world it'd be great to have kids grow up together and play together from start to finish, but that's difficult in a larger city. Robinson has had quite of few move ins, but they're also just getting their kids back from schools in LRSD or private. Which means there is no need for a change of address. Two cycles ago Robinson was middle of the pack attendance wise and now this next cycle will be their last in 4A. The entire school population has grown with upgrade in facilities and more focus to academics. Robinson loses their fair share to Catholic/PA/Christian, Central and Parkview. People in Little Rock were looking for a non private option in football. Robinson emerged as that about 4 years ago. Obviously McClellan has had success as well, but many aren't sending their kids to a school in Southwest LR. Location benefits Robinson.
The lack of cohesion really surfaced in the championship game. Seemed like every player was waiting on the players next to him to step up.
Does this cycle end after next year?
This is a subject I have "made my bones" on, to the point of being obnoxious. School choice is a joke and it's hastening the death of high school football in Arkansas, It's not the biggest factor but it's a factor. The University of Washington did a study back in 08 or 09 that found in states with school choice sports was the determining factor over academics by a margin of 3 to 1. When parents say "I want to provide the best education for my kids" I hear blah blah blah. School choice is being used to build a select few powerhouses and a glut on mediocre teams. The boundary/transfer rules here are a joke. Until the AAA grows a pair (I crack myself up) and lay's down the law the scales will continue to tip in favor of Arkansas being known as a basketball state and a football joke. Our basketball players are much higher rated then our football players in National rankings. Every parent should have the right to send their kids where they chose, they don't have the same right to extra curricular activities. You want little Jimmy to go to ....... because you feel........has a better math program, that's fine. If he wants to play on a team he must play where he lives. That's not gonna happen, asking the AAA to stand up to schools is like asking the Girl Scouts to battle the Marines.
Football exposes this inequality far more then basketball. In football numbers, size and money matters. In basketball good coaching can overcome that. Think I'm exaggerating? Look at our basketball playoffs, exciting close games were the norm. Thrilling nail biters. In football the majority were mercy ruled yawnfests. Arkansas basketball is very respected for a state our size. Arkansas football is becoming a joke. I fear the tipping point has been reached and it's beyond repair.
I've yet to see why anyone can possibly complain about parents moving their child to a school where they can have the most academic and athletic success. Sure, not all have the means to do that, but if you can, why not? Don't we all want what's best for our kids?
Speaking of Joe. T Robinson, it's by the far the best public school in all facets in the Little Rock area. What's the big deal about people moving their kids there? EVERY school that has a good athletic programs has had "move ins" over years. I guess the problem is that they have more and sometimes better ones than what your school has? As has been said before (by me, for one) bringing in good players doesn't automatically win you a title, obviously Joe T. has not cleared that hurdle yet. Good TEAMS win titles, not necessarily the team with the best players. So I'm not quite sure what you guys are ranting about.
As Mr. Mercer said, Robinson will be moving up in class soon, so that means that enrollment overall is up. Are you complaining about the regular students that are moving there because it's a good school or are you just whining about the ones that play sports?
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 18, 2019, 12:56:15 pm
I've yet to see why anyone can possibly complain about parents moving their child to a school where they can have the most academic and athletic success. Sure, not all have the means to do that, but if you can, why not? Don't we all want what's best for our kids?
Speaking of Joe. T Robinson, it's by the far the best public school in all facets in the Little Rock area. What's the big deal about people moving their kids there? EVERY school that has a good athletic programs has had "move ins" over years. I guess the problem is that they have more and sometimes better ones than what your school has? As has been said before (by me, for one) bringing in good players doesn't automatically win you a title, obviously Joe T. has not cleared that hurdle yet. Good TEAMS win titles, not necessarily the team with the best players. So I'm not quite sure what you guys are ranting about.
As Mr. Mercer said, Robinson will be moving up in class soon, so that means that enrollment overall is up. Are you complaining about the regular that are moving there because it's a good school or are you just whining about the ones that play sports?
+ 1 - Tell The Truth Sugar!
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 18, 2019, 12:56:15 pm
I've yet to see why anyone can possibly complain about parents moving their child to a school where they can have the most academic and athletic success. Sure, not all have the means to do that, but if you can, why not? Don't we all want what's best for our kids?
Speaking of Joe. T Robinson, it's by the far the best public school in all facets in the Little Rock area. What's the big deal about people moving their kids there? EVERY school that has a good athletic programs has had "move ins" over years. I guess the problem is that they have more and sometimes better ones than what your school has? As has been said before (by me, for one) bringing in good players doesn't automatically win you a title, obviously Joe T. has not cleared that hurdle yet. Good TEAMS win titles, not necessarily the team with the best players. So I'm not quite sure what you guys are ranting about.
As Mr. Mercer said, Robinson will be moving up in class soon, so that means that enrollment overall is up. Are you complaining about the regular students that are moving there because it's a good school or are you just whining about the ones that play sports?
Absolutely. Wealth should dictate opportunities. Kids from lower income families should just sit down and shut up. I don't know why everyone is making a big deal about this whole admission scandal thing? Some rich parents broke the law? That's a stupid law. If your parents can afford to buy rewards why work for it? The thing is this, having had played football in both high school and college and being around sports my whole adult life I can tell you, when people transfer to another school to play sports it's the ONLY factor. Academics? An after thought.
What do you think will happen sooner, Kanye West becomes President? Donald Trump will become the host of Soul Train ? The Shriner's will rename all of their hospitals "The Shriners Michael Jackson Hospital" or we'll have an overtime game in the state football playoffs. Let's keep helping the rich get richer. The numbers of football players is dropping every year and nothing will slow that down like knowing that only 3 or 4 teams in each classification will be good.
So every student who transfers school districts is rich? You're delusional if you think that. I know for a fact that isn't true. Why are you taking about the college admission scandal. That has nothing to do Arkansas public school football. Lol
But you're right I guess, people shouldn't aspire to improve their situation. Maybe you think kids that want to play football but go to LR Hall should just suck it up and take the hand that's dealt them and play for a program who couldn't give a crap about football?
Or maybe you wanted to transfer when you where in school and couldn't? Maybe that's your whole issue with student transfers. You've been ranting on this for years for some reason. It's tiresome.
I am sure that Warren, or any other winning program in the state have had their share of move ins over the years! Haven't heard of too many transferring to losing programs.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 18, 2019, 08:25:34 pm
So every student who transfers school districts is rich? You're delusional if you think that. I know for a fact that isn't true. Why are you taking about the college admission scandal. That has nothing to do Arkansas public school football. Lol
But you're right I guess, people shouldn't aspire to improve their situation. Maybe you think kids that want to play football but go to LR Hall should just suck it up and take the hand that's dealt them and play for a program who couldn't give a crap about football?
Or maybe you wanted to transfer when you where in school and couldn't? Maybe that's your whole issue with student transfers. You've been ranting on this for years for some reason. It's tiresome.
Wanted to transfer but couldn't? Geez, you're really phoning it in with that one. Talk about a lazy effort. Nope, I played where I lived, back in the day we all did. I grew up in a very upper middle class environment, tuition to private schools was not an issue. I also played for a season at a D1 Power 5 school before injuries and lack of next level talent derailed my football days. The college scandal is apropos only as it is used to illustrate that our world (sports) is becoming more and more a world where finances dictates outcome more than effort or ability. If my frustration of schools being strip mined of talent is "tiresome" to you I'll tell you what, don't reply. I honestly don't recall hiring someone to hold a gun to your head forcing you to read/respond to me. I happen to be somewhat versed on this issue (the death of football), CTE is an issue that cannot be done away with. Prohibitive cost and lack of parity can be rectified.
Tiresome? Wow, that's impressive. Not sure I fully grasp that concept. If you mean physically tiresome then God Speed, that's a shame. If you mean emotionally tiresome then buck up, there have been miraculous advancements in the world of pharmaceutical intervention. They can make those voices in your head go away.
Someone's triggered...
But you still haven't said why you think kids shouldn't transfer to better their situation?
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 06:12:41 am
Someone's triggered...
But you still haven't said why you think kids shouldn't transfer to better their situation?
Someone help me out here, but I thought JessieP was a P.A. person?
Quote from: RabAlumni on March 19, 2019, 09:22:19 am
Someone help me out here, but I thought JessieP was a P.A. person?
I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's a Batesville person who's anti player transfers as it gives some "competitive advantage" and it's JUST NOT FAIR! :'(
As I've stated before, I've still haven't heard any reason outside of sour grapes for people to complain about public school transfers...
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 10:37:28 am
I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's a Batesville person who's anti player transfers as it gives some "competitive advantage" and it's JUST NOT FAIR! :'(
As I've stated before, I've still haven't heard any reason outside of sour grapes for people to complain about public school transfers...
Wait, hasn't there been several Newport players and others from around the "area" that transferred to Batesville in the years past to play?
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 10:37:28 am
I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's a Batesville person who's anti player transfers as it gives some "competitive advantage" and it's JUST NOT FAIR! :'(
As I've stated before, I've still haven't heard any reason outside of sour grapes for people to complain about public school transfers...
Yes, Batesville is the team I support. It's because I live in Batesville and have a sense of community pride. I also have great admiration for PA. They win by smart coaching and yes, their fans actually admit private schools enjoy many advantages.
Now seeing as how I've been posting about transfers for "years" and to you it's become "tiresome" one must question your comprehension acumen, I included the reasons I oppose it every time. Sour Grapes? Batesville has never had a contributing player transfer out. At least no players that anyone would have lifted a finger to oppose. Personal sour grapes? Again I'm sorry to disappoint you but nope. I am very proud of my personal experiences playing the game I love. I recently got a newsletter from my alumni association saying our teammates had amassed 57 years NFL experience, 4 Pro Bowl players, 7 Super Bowl rings and one Hall of Famer.. No regrets there. BTW, if you doubt it do a little homework, there are a few posters that can verify. Why do I oppose it? Football is dying. It's dying from the ground up. Over the years there have been dozens of articles, studies, programs and discussions as to why. KAIT in cooperation with the U of Arkansas did a great segment on it. The common three factors that everyone list are CTE, prohibitive cost and lack of parity. CTE is being worked on and safety measures are being implemented. The 2 issues that can be addressed are finances and level playing field.
But by all means, keep that head of yours deep in the sand. In less then a decade Arkansas will have about 10 teams with 80 players and 60 or so with 25. Great sales pitch that fosters "Hey Timmy, want to give up your entire summer to bust your rear, get beat up and battered, stay after school till 6pm all Fall and get up Saturday at 7am to lose 8 out of 10 games"? Yeah, they'll be circling the block to sign up.
Keep shooting players to a select few schools and Hootens becomes a pamphlet. I can't wait to hear coaches like Kelley, Jones and King say "We feel like we have a team this year capable of winning all 5 games".
Quote from: RabAlumni on March 19, 2019, 10:56:26 am
Wait, hasn't there been several Newport players and others from around the "area" that transferred to Batesville in the years past to play?
I can think of 3 in the past 10 years, they all moved here. I'm guessing you're not overly versed in this area. Newport is 32 miles from Batesville. I doubt many kids would make that drive at 6am to play football.
Everyone on FF is for kids bettering themselves, I believe this thread was started to laugh at Eskola for going out and getting another senior class with a ton of 4 star athletes and then falling short.
If the school enrollment is growing as fast as it seems and all of the new kids aren't on the football team, one cannot say only athletes are transferring. The influx has to be because it is a great school choice.
Quote from: KASH dba The Lumberjack on March 19, 2019, 11:57:24 am
Everyone on FF is for kids bettering themselves, I believe this thread was started to laugh at Eskola for going out and getting another senior class with a ton of 4 star athletes and then falling short.
If the school enrollment is growing as fast as it seems and all of the new kids aren't on the football team, one cannot say only athletes are transferring. The influx has to be because it is a great school choice.
This is true and my point from my previous post before Jesse hijacked the thread. I still have no idea why he posted on this thread, he makes no point regarding this topic.
Believe me, I'm one of the first ones to question Eskola's coaching, but I see no need to question kids transferring in there, whatever their reason may be.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 12:12:15 pm
This is true and my point from my previous post before Jesse hijacked the thread. I still have no idea why he posted on this thread, he makes no point regarding this topic.
Believe me, I'm one of the first ones to question Eskola's coaching, but I see no need to question kids transferring in there, whatever their reason may be.
Hijacked? Thank you. My ego grows yet again. I read a great many post on here that I find irrelevant or just plain dumb. How do I show my feelings? I don't respond. The fact that Suggie Boy responded, yet again, and felt I had hijacked it it proof irrefutable how much my post mean to him. Sweetie pants you are a true fan and I thank you.
Quote from: JessieP on March 19, 2019, 02:12:09 pm
Hijacked? Thank you. My ego grows yet again. I read a great many post on here that I find irrelevant or just plain dumb. How do I show my feelings? I don't respond. The fact that Suggie Boy responded, yet again, and felt I had hijacked it it proof irrefutable how much my post mean to him. Sweetie pants you are a true fan and I thank you.
I guess I need to remind you that you initially responded to my post on this thread. I didn't seek you out chief.
And you still don't have a point regarding this thread topic...
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 02:47:28 pm
I guess I need to remind you that you initially responded to my post on this thread. I didn't seek you out chief.
And you still don't have a point regarding this thread topic...
Just when I thought we had found the bottom of your lack of comprehension...elevator down! The thread started with Lumberjack questioning the number of transfers and wondered if football was the driving force. Every post I've made is in line with that. Exactly how difficult is basic reading for you? It's a shame FF doesn't have the Microsoft Color app to people could respond to you with crayons and shiny objects. Maybe if we responded with the Blues Clues filter you'd be able to follow along better.
Quote from: JessieP on March 19, 2019, 03:29:53 pm
Just when I thought we had found the bottom of your lack of comprehension...elevator down! The thread started with Lumberjack questioning the number of transfers and wondered if football was the driving force. Every post I've made is in line with that. Exactly how difficult is basic reading for you? It's a shame FF doesn't have the Microsoft Color app to people could respond to you with crayons and shiny objects. Maybe if we responded with the Blues Clues filter you'd be able to follow along better.
I went back and reread your original post (hint: learn how to end a paragraph and start a new one).
I have a couple questions:
1. Where is school choice creating football powerhouses in Arkansas? (as you stated) LR Central and Pine Bluff have by far the most titles in Arkansas and they're definitely not powerhouses anymore. The only public school currently that can claim that is Greenwood and that's only in the last 15 years or so, there certainly isn't a plethora of powerhouses. It's goes through cycles like it always has.
2. Did you say that kids should go to one school for academics then play at another for sports??? That is by far the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on here. So congrats for that.
That's about all I could glean from your ramblings.
Society has changed. A lot of kids might live closer to a high school even though its in a different district.
Quote from: Missco on March 19, 2019, 04:56:42 pm
Society has changed. A lot of kids might live closer to a high school even though its in a different district.
This is the case in Prairie Grove/Farmington... The subdivision that made Prairie Grove grow so much is literally just a mile or two from Farmington High School. The addresses at all the homes are Farmington, yet its in the Prairie Grove district school zone. It makes way more sense to go to Farmington, yet they all go to PG.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 04:13:23 pm
I went back and reread your original post (hint: learn how to end a paragraph and start a new one).
I have a couple questions:
1. Where is school choice creating football powerhouses in Arkansas? (as you stated) LR Central and Pine Bluff have by far the most titles in Arkansas and they're definitely not powerhouses anymore. The only public school currently that can claim that is Greenwood and that's only in the last 15 years or so, there certainly isn't a plethora of powerhouses. It's goes through cycles like it always has.
2. Did you say that kids should go to one school for academics then play at another for sports??? That is by far the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on here. So congrats for that.
That's about all I could glean from your ramblings.
Read, re-read and then have someone read/explain the post to you. I never said anything remotely like that, I never said anything that anyone with a comprehension level above grade 3 would interpret that way. I said academics are guaranteed. Extra curricular activities (Sports. Those events where the kids wear matching uniforms and play with balls) are not. School choice was set up to provide parents an opportunity to send their kids to a school they felt would most meet their academic needs. In 1980 Milton Friedman, an economist intellectual PBS host, wrote a landmark paper on the failure of public education. He is considered the Father of school choice in America. His paper was what first started the concept of school choice. Virginia was the first state to take it out for a spin. Friedman has since, numerous times, that the concept has been co-opted by parents of athletes and high school coaches. It's primary purpose is now for athletics, not academics. Those are Mr Friedman's words, not mine. What I said was that in a perfect world you could choose your school for academics, sports should be limited by boundaries. Look up the definition of extra curricular activities.
How's this for a new paragraph, isn't Tuesday afternoon a little early to be hitting the bottle so hard? I pray that's the thrust of your comment, alcohol. If not then the fact you gleaned "play one place study at another," from my post is downright scary.
Oh, I see, you think certain kids shouldn't be ALLOWED to participate extra curricular activities. Yeah, that's not any better, in fact that's even dumber.
You didn't answer my first question about school choice creating powerhouse teams. Who are these powerhouses???
No need to type an essay in response either, no one cares about studies from 1980 or a study from the Univ. of Washington.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 19, 2019, 09:01:36 pm
Oh, I see, you think certain kids shouldn't be ALLOWED to participate extra curricular activities. Yeah, that's not any better, in fact that's even dumber.
You didn't answer my first question about school choice creating powerhouse teams. Who are these powerhouses???
No need to type an essay in response either, no one cares about studies from 1980 or a study from the Univ. of Washington.
Correction, simple minded people who watch Hee Haw like it's a documentary don't. I sincerely apologize for taxing your mind with references to fancy book lernin. Do you have AxsTv? Japan new pro wrastlin is coming on.
Quote from: JessieP on March 19, 2019, 10:05:30 pm
Correction, simple minded people who watch Hee Haw like it's a documentary don't. I sincerely apologize for taxing your mind with references to fancy book lernin. Do you have AxsTv? Japan new pro wrastlin is coming on.
So you can't answer my question. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about...
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 20, 2019, 05:53:36 am
So you can't answer my question. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about...
I apologize, I take full responsibility. The issue is not that I have no idea what I'm talking about but rather I have no idea who I'm talking to. That's on me. I need to slow it way down and walk you through it. It's totally on me. This is no excuse but my 9 year old nephew is visiting so I got the two of you confused, I would deal with a kid that had the comprehension level of a 9 year old then I'd reply online to someone who wasn't quite at that pitch. Let me slow it down.
It's hard to provide proof to a claim I never made but I'll walk you through my concern. I was making the point that the declining number of football players could lead to what is referred to as "The death of football". Now that statement is what's called a superlative, an exaggerated expression to make a point. You really can't have an actual death of a sport, a sport is not really a living breathing organic life form. What I did say was we may be headed to a situation where you have 10 or so powerhouses and the rest are mediocre. That's whats called the present and future tense. Let me give you an example, people talk about global warming and it's effects. One claim is that if it's not dealt with we could have an uninhabitable planet. When someone say's that it's not proper to say "Come on, name me one uninhabitable earth, just one, why are you avoiding the question"? Follow me? I know this is a lot for you to handle to take some time to re-read it a few times. I never said we have powerhouse teams as a result of transfers, I said we will.
I know you may be exhausted by now so go pour yourself a big bowl of Captain Crunch and grab your favorite book. Today may well be the day you find Waldo.
Quote from: JessieP on March 17, 2019, 11:33:17 pm
School choice is being used to build a select few powerhouses and a glut on mediocre teams.
Well, actually you DID say it here. If you wanted that in the future tense as you claim you should've said "School choice MAY be used to build a select few powerhouses and a glut on mediocre teams." You used present tense, then when pressed to produce evidence of your claim you said you didn't say it.
Either you didn't remember what you said or you realized you couldn't back up your claim and tried to change what you meant. It's cool...we all make mistakes.
Let it GO Sugar!!!!
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 20, 2019, 03:59:48 pm
Well, actually you DID say it here. If you wanted that in the future tense as you claim you should've said "School choice MAY be used to build a select few powerhouses and a glut on mediocre teams." You used present tense, then when pressed to produce evidence of your claim you said you didn't say it.
Either you didn't remember what you said or you realized you couldn't back up your claim and tried to change what you meant. It's cool...we all make mistakes.
Having re-read everything I've posted here the only thing that would come remotely close is from my initial post: "School choice
is being used to build a select few powerhouses and a glut on mediocre teams." If that's what you're referring to? Wow! Seriously, Wow. The concept of present/future tense flies way way over your head, Wow. Now had I said "has been used" that would give you a leg to stand on. Wow, that's bizarre. Had you had someone read/explain my post to you like I recommended they could have also explained how when kids transfer to make a school stronger, the school they left becomes weaker.
Try this, take two glasses of water both filled halfway up. Pour a little water from one glass into the other. One glass will have more and the other has less. It's still the same accumulative amount of water but one glass has more.
You need a refresher English course it looks like. But as I said, it's ok, we all make mistakes from time to time. The key is learning from them and not repeating them. I hope you take this with you in your future endeavors and grow from it.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Good luck buddy. :D
I notice the only ones who complain are the same ones who say it doesn't matter they won't win it all or they can't win the big one. If that's the case... Why do people from Warren or Nashville care? I mean I know why Nashville people care (how dare anyone threaten to win "Nashvilles" conference), but if little ol Robinson can't and won't beat Warren then why do you care. Did anyone throw their arms up when Warren got two move ins from California this past year? Nope. They were shopped around private schools and a couple public schools in LR well before the ended up in Warren. I'm sure they went to Warren for the "academics". But at the end of the day. Who cares? Let the kids go where they want. No one cried tears for Robinson in 2011 when their best 5 8th graders went to Maumelle when that school opened. 4/5 went on to become college football players. There's countless other players who went on to other schools who attended Robinson up until the 9th grade. Times, facilities and academics changed. Think about the best players at PA and LRCA. There's a good chance they're in Robinson's zone. Is Warren or Nashville competing with anything like that? Nope.
You're really going to compare transferring "competition" to a town of 4000 and a town of 5000 to a school who is in a metro area of 700k? Lol.
For every one you lose to Christian and pa, you gain them right back plus some from Cabot, North Little Rock, pine bluff, Mcclellen, Glen Rose, LR Parkview, LR Central, Hall High, and Mills.
As a former parent of the PCSSD, I have no issue with Robinson and proud of the strides. But let's not start touting "academics" yet. I'm fully aware of the scores and stats. They ain't there yet. It's all about the program, location, and "newness".
None of which can compete with LR central in academics. Who has a 7/10 rating and a B rating from the state report card.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on March 20, 2019, 11:24:08 pm
I notice the only ones who complain are the same ones who say it doesn't matter they won't win it all or they can't win the big one. If that's the case... Why do people from Warren or Nashville care? I mean I know why Nashville people care (how dare anyone threaten to win "Nashvilles" conference), but if little ol Robinson can't and won't beat Warren then why do you care. Did anyone throw their arms up when Warren got two move ins from California this past year? Nope. They were shopped around private schools and a couple public schools in LR well before the ended up in Warren. I'm sure they went to Warren for the "academics". But at the end of the day. Who cares? Let the kids go where they want. No one cried tears for Robinson in 2011 when their best 5 8th graders went to Maumelle when that school opened. 4/5 went on to become college football players. There's countless other players who went on to other schools who attended Robinson up until the 9th grade. Times, facilities and academics changed. Think about the best players at PA and LRCA. There's a good chance they're in Robinson's zone. Is Warren or Nashville competing with anything like that? Nope.
Good post. No doubt there's plenty of "It's ok when WE do it, but not ok when THEY do it", going around on here.
Let's clarify something. A less than intelligent poster may have implied that I was against the open border transfer when you want for whatever reason you want policy that seems to run rampant these day's only when it works against certain schools. That is ignorant and just plain false. The new "free agency" mindset we have in Arkansas is cowardly and quite simply another offshoot of bulldozer parenting. Little Timmy isn't getting his way here so move little Timmy there. It hurts everyone and teaches kids the best way to overcome obstacles is to run away from them. If a kid transfers to another school to and plays football the reason for the transfer is football, academics is not a consideration.
How is this hurting football? Ask yourself this, if a kid wants t play football and has 3 teams to choose from. Team A wins all the time, teams B and C struggle. Where is he going? Duh. What free agency does, let's stop calling it school choice it's free agency, is deplete numbers at certain schools where numbers are dropping. And as a player that was recruited out of high school please don't try and sell me that "It will help them get noticed by colleges" crap. That just makes you sound stupid. Colleges look at players not schools. If you're on a team that is o-fer in West Nowhere Utah and you have college ability, you'll play college ball.
Free agency diverts bodies to certain schools, it takes bodies away from others. The number of kids playing high school football is dropping every year. School choice was instituted to address academic issues, athletics was not initially part of the plan. It has since been hijacked.
Just an FYI, here in Independence County we only have 2 schools. The school I root for has more kids wanting in then wanting out and still I think transferring is chicken doodoo.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on March 20, 2019, 11:24:08 pm
I notice the only ones who complain are the same ones who say it doesn't matter they won't win it all or they can't win the big one. If that's the case... Why do people from Warren or Nashville care? I mean I know why Nashville people care (how dare anyone threaten to win "Nashvilles" conference), but if little ol Robinson can't and won't beat Warren then why do you care. Did anyone throw their arms up when Warren got two move ins from California this past year? Nope. They were shopped around private schools and a couple public schools in LR well before the ended up in Warren. I'm sure they went to Warren for the "academics". But at the end of the day. Who cares? Let the kids go where they want. No one cried tears for Robinson in 2011 when their best 5 8th graders went to Maumelle when that school opened. 4/5 went on to become college football players. There's countless other players who went on to other schools who attended Robinson up until the 9th grade. Times, facilities and academics changed. Think about the best players at PA and LRCA. There's a good chance they're in Robinson's zone. Is Warren or Nashville competing with anything like that? Nope.
People care because it is against the rules. Kids are allowed to go to private schools and play just like when they transfer back from a private school they can play. People get upset when a kid has been talked to by a coach prior to a bonafide move about opportunities once they transfer. I'm sure all these non-qualifiers transferred to Robinson for academic reasons.
A certain amount of reason needs to be injected into this conversation for the sake of fairness. I only jump into this thread because you stop just a whisker short of accusing Coach Eskola of trolling competitive locker rooms looking to scoop up players who are disenfranchised with their present situations with grandiose promises of playing time and championships. I know the man and trust me... he's got better things to do.
I guess my point also is, that if you have the testicular fortitude to call one man out, then call them all out as one doesn't need to look to far in any direction to see it going on everywhere. The AAA has lit this dumpster fire and its up to them to figure our how to responsibly police the thing.
If you are a coach and a kid shows up in your office on the first day of school after Christmas break and informs you he's transferring, what do you do...tell him to go back to where ever he came from?? Not every kid to transfer into RHS is the second coming of Basil Shabazz either. Most as I am told were better off staying put in their former programs.
Quote from: scrapman on April 23, 2019, 05:43:22 pm
People get upset when a kid has been talked to by a coach prior to a bonafide move about opportunities once they transfer.
Nah, you're the only one on here who's really upset about it.
Quote from: Longsnapper81 on April 23, 2019, 11:26:53 pm
A certain amount of reason needs to be injected into this conversation for the sake of fairness. I only jump into this thread because you stop just a whisker short of accusing Coach Eskola of trolling competitive locker rooms looking to scoop up players who are disenfranchised with their present situations with grandiose promises of playing time and championships. I know the man and trust me... he's got better things to do.
I guess my point also is, that if you have the testicular fortitude to call one man out, then call them all out as one doesn't need to look to far in any direction to see it going on everywhere. The AAA has lit this dumpster fire and its up to them to figure our how to responsibly police the thing.
If you are a coach and a kid shows up in your office on the first day of school after Christmas break and informs you he's transferring, what do you do...tell him to go back to where ever he came from?? Not every kid to transfer into RHS is the second coming of Basil Shabazz either. Most as I am told were better off staying put in their former programs.
Yes. It is up to the school that a kid ends up at to do the research and prove he is eligible and there legally. That is the rule set by the AAA. So....when the kid shows up in the office after Christmas break, you don't let him workout with the team until it is all complete and legal. I'm saying many don't do this but this is the rule.
Quote from: Longsnapper81 on April 23, 2019, 11:26:53 pm
A certain amount of reason needs to be injected into this conversation for the sake of fairness. I only jump into this thread because you stop just a whisker short of accusing Coach Eskola of trolling competitive locker rooms looking to scoop up players who are disenfranchised with their present situations with grandiose promises of playing time and championships. I know the man and trust me... he's got better things to do.
I guess my point also is, that if you have the testicular fortitude to call one man out, then call them all out as one doesn't need to look to far in any direction to see it going on everywhere. The AAA has lit this dumpster fire and its up to them to figure our how to responsibly police the thing.
If you are a coach and a kid shows up in your office on the first day of school after Christmas break and informs you he's transferring, what do you do...tell him to go back to where ever he came from?? Not every kid to transfer into RHS is the second coming of Basil Shabazz either. Most as I am told were better off staying put in their former programs.
Who has transferred that is the second coming of Shabazz?
The facilities at Robinson are amazing. If I were a student in the LR school district I would want to be there also!
Quote from: Coach Jones on April 24, 2019, 10:55:00 am
The facilities at Robinson are amazing. If I were a student in the LR school district I would want to be there also!
I want lots of stuff. This isn't college where you get to choose where you go.
Quote from: scrapman on April 24, 2019, 11:14:51 am
I want lots of stuff. This isn't college where you get to choose where you go.
You can't always choose what college you want. They have to want you first.
Quote from: scrapman on April 24, 2019, 10:11:53 am
Yes. It is up to the school that a kid ends up at to do the research and prove he is eligible and there legally. That is the rule set by the AAA. So....when the kid shows up in the office after Christmas break, you don't let him workout with the team until it is all complete and legal. I'm saying many don't do this but this is the rule.
Huh? If a kid is enrolled in your school he can workout and practice all he wants. He just can't participate in games. That's not breaking a rule until he plays a down. Quit crying. You'd think as many times as Nashville has tried to turn in Robinson you'd give up at some point. The boy who cried wolf bit is getting old.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on April 24, 2019, 11:37:41 pm
Huh? If a kid is enrolled in your school he can workout and practice all he wants. He just can't participate in games. That's not breaking a rule until he plays a down. Quit crying. You'd think as many times as Nashville has tried to turn in Robinson you'd give up at some point. The boy who cried wolf bit is getting old.
Wasn't aware of Nashville ever turning in Robinson. Didn't know that people talking on a message board was turning them in.
I'm also sure lots of coaches have ineligible players working out and practicing with the team that they know are not eligible and have no intention of playing.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on April 24, 2019, 11:37:41 pm
Huh? If a kid is enrolled in your school he can workout and practice all he wants. He just can't participate in games. That's not breaking a rule until he plays a down. Quit crying. You'd think as many times as Nashville has tried to turn in Robinson you'd give up at some point. The boy who cried wolf bit is getting old.
I'm thinking the whining has more to do with the fact that Nashville has lost to Robinson the past 2 years more than anything else.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on April 25, 2019, 08:13:20 am
I'm thinking the whining has more to do with the fact that Nashville has lost to Robinson the past 2 years more than anything else.
100% what the problem is.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on April 25, 2019, 10:05:45 am
100% what the problem is.
Just keep on having 10-15 kids sign and not win the championship. Cry about that.
Quote from: scrapman on April 25, 2019, 10:15:58 am
Just keep on having 10-15 kids sign and not win the championship. Cry about that.
Wait... Did you just try to make fun of them for helping kids get to the next level? Cool man. I don't recall crying about anything. Anyone in Robinsons program will tell you the lack of a state title or titles the past three years in unacceptable.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on April 25, 2019, 11:04:47 am
Wait... Did you just try to make fun of them for helping kids get to the next level? Cool man. I don't recall crying about anything. Anyone in Robinsons program will tell you the lack of a state title or titles the past three years in unacceptable.
Kids get themselves to the next level.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on April 25, 2019, 11:04:47 am
Wait... Did you just try to make fun of them for helping kids get to the next level? Cool man. I don't recall crying about anything. Anyone in Robinsons program will tell you the lack of a state title or titles the past three years in unacceptable.
If it's unacceptable then what is being done to change things?
If they were recruiting you'd think it'd be helping the other sports out.
Quote from: we_hate_the_band on April 26, 2019, 09:16:03 am
If they were recruiting you'd think it'd be helping the other sports out.
Their baseball team is 20-5 overall and 14-0 in conference.
Boys Soccer is 10-3-1. Conference is 5-3.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 26, 2019, 10:12:27 am
Their baseball team is 20-5 overall and 14-0 in conference.
Boys Soccer is 10-3-1. Conference is 5-3.
Yeah but what about Tennis and Golf????
Quote from: $aintMaximu$ on April 26, 2019, 10:17:38 am
Yeah but what about Tennis and Golf????
The school IS right down from the Aloatian. :)
Quote from: AirWarren on April 26, 2019, 10:12:27 am
Their baseball team is 20-5 overall and 14-0 in conference.
Boys Soccer is 10-3-1. Conference is 5-3.
Basketball anybody? Let's stick to sports that matter.
Quote from: we_hate_the_band on April 26, 2019, 12:13:41 pm
Basketball anybody? Let's stick to sports that matter.
Right!!...so why are you bringing up basketball then??
Quote from: youhavenoidea on April 26, 2019, 12:14:35 pm
Right!!...so why are you bringing up basketball then??
Bingo.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 26, 2019, 12:45:16 pm
Bingo.
Theres a board for that. keep scrolling past football. I kid obviously.
Quote from: threepeoplematter on April 26, 2019, 12:56:15 pm
Theres a board for that. keep scrolling past football. I kid obviously.
There is board for soccer. Basketball. Football. And baseball.
We all know football is the biggest sport at any school. Except star city.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 26, 2019, 01:04:59 pm
There is board for soccer. Basketball. Football. And baseball.
We all know football is the biggest sport at any school. Except star city.
Need to make a board for bobsledding. Just heard Robinson has recruited some kids from Jamaica for their program.
Quote from: KASH dba The Lumberjack on April 28, 2019, 10:14:36 pm
Need to make a board for bobsledding. Just heard Robinson has recruited some kids from Jamaica for their program.
Ya dead mon?
Ya mon.
Seems you're either pro school choice or pro sports equality which honestly has nothing to do with the other. No one that wants an equal playing field seems to be against school choice and no one who agrees in school choice believes a team should be able to super stack. What points are we trying to make?
It started out with some of us poking fun at Eskola for getting another good class of players and wondering what he'll do with it.
As far as the young men who were "shopped around", they came from California, not 4-5 blocks away. I don't think you meant it in a demeaning annotation but shopped around could be taken in a harsh manner. Their dad was relocating to Arkansas, wanted to give his boys as much playing time at a winning program as he could, they ended up in Warren.
I just wish my old alma mater (Lonoke) was relevant, so I could join this pissing match. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy ya'lls. ;D
Quote from: Bevtrain on May 03, 2019, 01:12:24 pm
I just wish my old alma mater (Lonoke) was relevant, so I could join this pissing match. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy ya'lls. ;D
Come on in. The water's fine.
Quote from: Bevtrain on May 03, 2019, 01:12:24 pm
I just wish my old alma mater (Lonoke) was relevant, so I could join this pissing match. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy ya'lls. ;D
Quote from: AirWarren on May 03, 2019, 01:18:25 pm
Come on in. The water's fine.
Never get in the water during a "pissing match".
Quote from: Big Fan on May 04, 2019, 10:23:58 am
Never get in the water during a "pissing match".
Says not a soccer fan.
Quote from: Big Fan on May 04, 2019, 10:23:58 am
Never get in the water during a "pissing match".
Especially if the "pissers" are on a heavy diet of asparagus
I Miss these 4A boards!!
You guys are a bunch of haters. lol
Quote from: scrapman on April 24, 2019, 11:14:51 am
I want lots of stuff. This isn't college where you get to choose where you go.
Actualllyyyyyyyyy, you can choose where you want to go to high school.
Quote from: RyanLR on June 06, 2019, 06:13:47 am
You guys are a bunch of haters. lol
It's what we do on here lol
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on June 06, 2019, 07:27:57 am
Actualllyyyyyyyyy, you can choose where you want to go to high school.
In counties like Pulaski, Saline, Washington, and Benton counties you sure can choose.
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on June 06, 2019, 07:27:57 am
Actualllyyyyyyyyy, you can choose where you want to go to high school.
Yes you can...
Now being eligible to play sports at the school you choose is another conversation.
Forest City RB...nice pick up for the Senators.
Quote from: zebrafan on June 13, 2019, 03:03:39 pm
Forest City RB...nice pick up for the Senators.
My word..
There's no debating or denying the Senators have a super stacked team, but let's say they come up short again this year, should Eskola be replaced as HC?
Does the "Robinson is better than the other LR schools" excuse apply to the Forrest City recruit?
I guess spending last semester as a 9th grader at Fair he felt the need to make a change. Would you leave your son at Fair?
Wouldn't want to be in LR at all. But to each his own.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on June 15, 2019, 03:52:50 pm
I guess spending last semester as a 9th grader at Fair he felt the need to make a change. Would you leave your son at Fair?
Not really the issue with not wanting to go to Fair.
I think people have the issue with he is still probably living in the LR FAIR/Mcclellan zone yet somehow finds a way to get into the doors of the best Little Rock public school football team in the metro. Outside of NLR. Same thing with the stud baseball player that was with Bryant who is all of the sudden at JTR.
Again. No issue with JTR. I think it's a fine public school. But some of these transfers are becoming comical.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on June 15, 2019, 03:52:50 pm
I guess spending last semester as a 9th grader at Fair he felt the need to make a change. Would you leave your son at Fair?
Quote from: AirWarren on June 15, 2019, 11:18:11 pm
Not really the issue with not wanting to go to Fair.
I think people have the issue with he is still probably living in the LR FAIR/Mcclellan zone yet somehow finds a way to get into the doors of the best Little Rock public school football team in the metro. Outside of NLR. Same thing with the stud baseball player that was with Bryant who is all of the sudden at JTR.
Again. No issue with JTR. I think it's a fine public school. But some of these transfers are becoming comical.
+1
You don't hear as many stories about kids transferring to a bad program, so they can start!
Quote from: HeberFan on June 17, 2019, 01:04:36 pm
You don't hear as many stories about kids transferring to a bad program, so they can start!
Happens all the time. People on here just don't whine about that.
Quote from: HeberFan on June 17, 2019, 01:04:36 pm
You don't hear as many stories about kids transferring to a bad program, so they can start!
Happens all the time bud.
Quote from: AirWarren on June 15, 2019, 11:18:11 pm
Not really the issue with not wanting to go to Fair.
I think people have the issue with he is still probably living in the LR FAIR/Mcclellan zone yet somehow finds a way to get into the doors of the best Little Rock public school football team in the metro. Outside of NLR. Same thing with the stud baseball player that was with Bryant who is all of the sudden at JTR.
Again. No issue with JTR. I think it's a fine public school. But some of these transfers are becoming comical.
You say transfers, others might say recruits...
Forrest City running back was playing with fc today at teamcamp. A coach from Wynne told me that info.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on June 18, 2019, 09:06:03 am
Happens all the time. People on here just don't whine about that.
My point exactly. Kids get to attend school, where they want.
Don't worry Y'all...I'm sure the AAA did a full investigation and has said it is legit.
Quote from: scrapman on June 18, 2019, 01:44:37 pm
Don't worry Y'all...I'm sure the AAA did a full investigation and has said it is legit.
If they didn't we all know the Scrappers will do their own investigation
Quote from: scrapman on June 18, 2019, 01:44:37 pm
Don't worry Y'all...I'm sure the AAA did a full investigation and has said it is legit.
Doesn't matter, even if they did you'd still cry about it. :'(
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on June 18, 2019, 03:14:13 pm
If they didn't we all know the Scrappers will do their own investigation
Speaking of internal investigations...how have this years transfers been adapting to Robinson? I heard the GLen Rose QB has played other positions. How about the Parkview kids?
Quote from: scrapman on July 18, 2019, 02:19:30 pm
Speaking of internal investigations...how have this years transfers been adapting to Robinson? I heard the GLen Rose QB has played other positions. How about the Parkview kids?
Glen rose will probably play LB from what I've heard. The LB and safety/WR from Parkview will also play their respective roles.
There is also a player on the roster who has a picture on max preps with a NLR uniform on who appears to be a LB and also a transfer from Alma(won't hold that against because that may be a legit relocation). Also, curious if the running back from Forrest city is still on the team. Also appears to be a kid from central on the roster too.
More power to them I suppose.
Wish a media member would ask Eskola about the transfers at the media day tomorrow.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 18, 2019, 09:29:25 pm
Wish a media member would ask Eskola about the transfers at the media day tomorrow.
What good would it do? AAA doesn't care apparently, we fans vetted it more than that governing body ever would. It would be great though if the question was asked.
Since some if you really seem to care about this, how about you break down each one of these transfers, where they came from, where they now reside and how they are illegal.
And if you can't, then quit crying and move on...
Quote from: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 19, 2019, 07:09:19 am
What good would it do? AAA doesn't care apparently, we fans vetted it more than that governing body ever would. It would be great though if the question was asked.
I'd just want to see Eskola squirm in his chair and hear the lame excuses.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on July 19, 2019, 07:40:04 am
Since some if you really seem to care about this, how about you break down each one of these transfers, where they came from, where they now reside and how they are illegal.
And if you can't, then quit crying and move on...
Went through this last year with the Pine Bluff transfer. Proved his family still lived in PB. When Robinson coaches caught wind of folks being onto them they called a meeting to cover things up and get with the same story before the AAA could investigate.
We aren't dealing with idiots...well, never mind. Robinson knows what they are doing. They might get caught eventually, but right now they know the loopholes of Little Rock and they cover up the outsiders.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 19, 2019, 08:06:09 am
Went through this last year with the Pine Bluff transfer. Proved his family still lived in PB. When Robinson coaches caught wind of folks being onto them they called a meeting to cover things up and get with the same story before the AAA could investigate.
We aren't dealing with idiots...well, never mind. Robinson knows what they are doing. They might get caught eventually, but right now they know the loopholes of Little Rock and they cover up the outsiders.
Must be nice to compete in 4A while swimming in the talent pool of 7A schools.
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 19, 2019, 08:16:37 am
Must be nice to compete in 4A while swimming in the talent pool of 7A schools.
Hey it's just part of the game, don't hate it. Schools just have to work that much harder.
Robinson will probably be up to 5A in a few years anyway and then you guys can find someone else whine about. :'(
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on July 19, 2019, 08:33:53 am
Robinson will probably be up to 5A in a few years anyway and then you guys can find someone else whine about. :'(
Would have happened a long time ago if they had as many non athlete transfers as they do athlete. ;D Well, we might as well get started, which other 4A team is a recruiting hot bed?
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 19, 2019, 08:44:10 am
Would have happened along time ago if they had as many non athlete transfers as they do athlete. ;D Well, we might as well get started, which other 4A team is a recruiting hot bed?
Well, have you ever heard the expression: "accuse others of what you are guilty of" ? :)
People from Warren and Nashville griping about recruiting? Funny
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on July 19, 2019, 08:49:08 am
Well, have you ever heard the expression: "accuse others of what you are guilty of" ? :)
Warren recruits. Every few years we recruit some of our 9th graders to play on the High School team.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 19, 2019, 08:06:09 am
Went through this last year with the Pine Bluff transfer. Proved his family still lived in PB. When Robinson coaches caught wind of folks being onto them they called a meeting to cover things up and get with the same story before the AAA could investigate.
We aren't dealing with idiots...well, never mind. Robinson knows what they are doing. They might get caught eventually, but right now they know the loopholes of Little Rock and they cover up the outsiders.
It's laughable that you think this is true. Same kid was held out of the scrimmage until all moving documents were turned into the AAA. Ask your admin who took the time to drive to his house in Pine Bluff and LR. Maybe someone should teach you guys the boy who cried wolf story. After a while you look desperate, and people stop listening
Quote from: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 19, 2019, 09:06:13 am
Warren recruits. Every few years we recruit some of our 9th graders to play on the High School team.
This is true.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on July 19, 2019, 09:57:42 am
It's laughable that you think this is true. Same kid was held out of the scrimmage until all moving documents were turned into the AAA. Ask your admin who took the time to drive to his house in Pine Bluff and LR. Maybe someone should teach you guys the boy who cried wolf story. After a while you look desperate, and people stop listening
So we are just going to act like the move to LR was completely random. And no Robinson coach had ever spoke to the kid or his family about playing there before he was in school there.
Look all the in city moves are fine. I understand it happens. But these random move ins from across the state I don't buy. How about you explain some of the (real) reasons for moving since you seem to know so much. I'll wait.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 19, 2019, 05:58:19 pm
So we are just going to act like the move to LR was completely random. And no Robinson coach had ever spoke to the kid or his family about playing there before he was in school there.
Look all the in city moves are fine. I understand it happens. But these random move ins from across the state I don't buy. How about you explain some of the (real) reasons for moving since you seem to know so much. I'll wait.
I can't blame any family with great kids who are great students for wanting to get out of Pine Bluff. He wasn't a known commodity when he moved. Barely had played much varsity football. The "Forest City" kid went to Fair last semester. No way he was going back there, so I guess he's really an "in city move".
Still waiting on the proof y'all had that AAA skipped over. Oh wait that's right... you didn't have proof.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on July 19, 2019, 09:51:34 pm
I can't blame any family with great kids who are great students for wanting to get out of Pine Bluff. He wasn't a known commodity when he moved. Barely had played much varsity football. The "Forest City" kid went to Fair last semester. No way he was going back there, so I guess he's really an "in city move".
Still waiting on the proof y'all had that AAA skipped over. Oh wait that's right... you didn't have proof.
Sugarcoating it much? Lol. Then why did Robinson's coaches meet in the middle of the night about Nashville inquiring about the PB transfer? Maybe a "here's our story" meeting.
How about the Glen Rose kid? What's that excuse?
And just curious, what is the recruiting pitch at Robinson? It's obviously not come here to win a state title.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on July 19, 2019, 09:57:42 am
It's laughable that you think this is true. Same kid was held out of the scrimmage until all moving documents were turned into the AAA. Ask your admin who took the time to drive to his house in Pine Bluff and LR. Maybe someone should teach you guys the boy who cried wolf story. After a while you look desperate, and people stop listening
You seem knowledgeable about the drive to PB. Since you brought it up, are you just going to leave out the part where the parents were at the house in PB in the middle of the season. Kid was playing for Robinson while the parents were home in PB.
I can speak about the 'Glen Rose' kid since he keeps being brought up. He lives in the Robinson district. Robinson was the best choice for him. The first time Eskola or anyone else from Robinson met him or spoke to him was when he was registering for classes. He made his own decision without being 'recruited'. That being said, other coaches from other schools did try to recruit him.
Quote from: Oldman on July 19, 2019, 09:02:10 am
People from Warren and Nashville griping about recruiting? Funny
Maybe Robinson should start recruiting coaches. All that talent and still no title.
Quote from: mossflyer on July 20, 2019, 07:45:00 am
I can speak about the 'Glen Rose' kid since he keeps being brought up. He lives in the Robinson district. Robinson was the best choice for him. The first time Eskola or anyone else from Robinson met him or spoke to him was when he was registering for classes. He made his own decision without being 'recruited'. That being said, other coaches from other schools did try to recruit him.
Care to tell how you're so knowledgeable about the situation?
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 20, 2019, 09:51:36 am
Care to tell how you're so knowledgeable about the situation?
"Glen rose" is what I call him because I don't use names on here.
But what Moss is speaking is true. This young man from glen rose has some strong "blue ties" from southeast Arkansas. He knows what he is talking about and is close to the situation. I believe what he is saying on this particular one.
Quote from: mossflyer on July 20, 2019, 07:45:00 am
I can speak about the 'Glen Rose' kid since he keeps being brought up. He lives in the Robinson district. Robinson was the best choice for him. The first time Eskola or anyone else from Robinson met him or spoke to him was when he was registering for classes. He made his own decision without being 'recruited'. That being said, other coaches from other schools did try to recruit him.
I'm sure those schools you speak of in regard to recruiting include Benton, Bryant, bauxite and HHG. With Bryant and Bauxite being the main ones.
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on July 19, 2019, 09:51:34 pm
I can't blame any family with great kids who are great students for wanting to get out of Pine Bluff. He wasn't a known commodity when he moved. Barely had played much varsity football. The "Forest City" kid went to Fair last semester. No way he was going back there, so I guess he's really an "in city move".
Still waiting on the proof y'all had that AAA skipped over. Oh wait that's right... you didn't have proof
Quote from: Mr. Mercer on July 19, 2019, 09:51:34 pm
I can't blame any family with great kids who are great students for wanting to get out of Pine Bluff. He wasn't a known commodity when he moved. Barely had played much varsity football. The "Forest City" kid went to Fair last semester. No way he was going back there, so I guess he's really an "in city move".
Still waiting on the proof y'all had that AAA skipped over. Oh wait that's right... you didn't have proof.
I touched on this above. I guess nobody wants to come up with a lame excuse of why the parents were at the house in PB when our admin went there, Or when the AAA went there. Or why the family dog was still living there, or why there was a fully furnished house there. Just because the AAA didn't do anything doesn't mean there wasn't proof.
The AAA will always protect the Little Rock schools.
Quote from: OrangeCrush. on July 20, 2019, 02:47:31 pm
The AAA will always protect the Little Rock schools.
You mean themselves. Anything to prevent the word lawyer.
Quote from: scrapman on July 20, 2019, 02:55:27 pm
You mean themselves. Anything to prevent the word lawyer.
Yeah, they love to make that money but hate to let it go. Especially on something as frivolous as where a player may or may not reside.
Quote from: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 22, 2019, 11:30:07 am
Yeah, they love to make that money but hate to let it go. Especially on something as frivolous as where a player may or may not reside.
Spend more money in legal fees for sure.
Quote from: AirWarren on July 22, 2019, 12:47:01 pm
Spend more money in legal fees for sure.
Is Mueller on retainer for the AAA?
I wonder if the fact that they build a new team each year with more new faces than other schools is a big part of the reason they always seem to under perform? Most 4A teams are made up of kids who've played together since 3rd grade. That bond lends toward a "what's best for the team attitude," rather than a bunch of kids who joined as the "next big transfer." I think continuity within a program is huge. I'd be curious how many of those Arky players the last couple seasons payed together on peewee teams.
Quote from: bigchief72455 on July 20, 2019, 09:45:31 am
Maybe Robinson should start recruiting coaches. All that talent and still no title.
Isn't that the truth ;D
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 25, 2019, 10:01:02 am
I wonder if the fact that they build a new team each year with more new faces than other schools is a big part of the reason they always seem to under perform? Most 4A teams are made up of kids who've played together since 3rd grade. That bond lends toward a "what's best for the team attitude," rather than a bunch of kids who joined as the "next big transfer." I think continuity within a program is huge. I'd be curious how many of those Arky players the last couple seasons payed together on peewee teams.
This.
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 25, 2019, 10:01:02 am
I wonder if the fact that they build a new team each year with more new faces than other schools is a big part of the reason they always seem to under perform? Most 4A teams are made up of kids who've played together since 3rd grade. That bond lends toward a "what's best for the team attitude," rather than a bunch of kids who joined as the "next big transfer." I think continuity within a program is huge. I'd be curious how many of those Arky players the last couple seasons payed together on peewee teams.
I've said this for years. I've been to several Senators games the past 5-6 years and there's just not the same enthusiasm from the fans or players that you see in other places.
Good "teams" beat good "players" nearly every time.
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 25, 2019, 10:01:02 am
I wonder if the fact that they build a new team each year with more new faces than other schools is a big part of the reason they always seem to under perform? Most 4A teams are made up of kids who've played together since 3rd grade. That bond lends toward a "what's best for the team attitude," rather than a bunch of kids who joined as the "next big transfer." I think continuity within a program is huge. I'd be curious how many of those Arky players the last couple seasons payed together on peewee teams.
I believe this is true always play harder when you know your teammates have your back and you know how your teammates are going to react and do just from playing with them for so long. With that being said though with as much talent as you have on the senators team you would think that it wouldn't matter and their sure athletic ability would be enough to win games. I think it is a combination of inexperience playing together and poor coaching.
Quote from: Sigmund Sauer on July 25, 2019, 10:01:02 am
I wonder if the fact that they build a new team each year with more new faces than other schools is a big part of the reason they always seem to under perform? Most 4A teams are made up of kids who've played together since 3rd grade. That bond lends toward a "what's best for the team attitude," rather than a bunch of kids who joined as the "next big transfer." I think continuity within a program is huge. I'd be curious how many of those Arky players the last couple seasons payed together on peewee teams.
That's how it should be. But you have Dad's that want their son to get playing time and he may not be able to get it at a 6A or 7A school. It almost seems like the AAA should create a B-League for 7A schools. A good amount of those kids never seen any playing time.
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 30, 2019, 07:50:21 am
That's how it should be. But you have Dad's that want their son to get playing time and he may not be able to get it at a 6A or 7A school. It almost seems like the AAA should create a B-League for 7A schools. A good amount of those kids never seen any playing time.
They already have this, it's called junior varsity.
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 08:21:28 am
They already have this, it's called junior varsity.
Oh dang. My bad. Completely missed knowing this. Thanks for the info. Didn't know they still had that kind of thing.
#E-sports to the rescue