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3A PLAYOFFS SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY..PER AAA

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True Fan

Make legal rulings.

What is you recommendation if and when the AAA is proven wrong?

babydossett

November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm #201 Last Edit: November 16, 2009, 04:14:38 pm by babydossett
  I am posting this for the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!


All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%

the game

Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!


All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%
Great post , AAA should grant the kid the hardship, put Lamar back in and play ball :)

AAAspectator

Quote from: True Fan on November 15, 2009, 06:44:29 pm
What is you recommendation if and when the AAA is proven wrong?

The only way the AAA should be "proven wrong" is if the member schools propose a rule in a district meeting that is different than one already in the handbook and it is adopted by the entire association. I'm glad tax dollars are going for the legal system to interfere and stop the playoffs. Maybe this guy can fix the BCS also.

As for the heartfelt explanation, save it. Take emotion out and it makes sense. Why was he threatened? Do you really want to make that all come out? Regardless of threats, is that grounds to move? Why not sue Russellville like the kid in Fayetteville did? As a parent, my first thought is if I truly feared for my child's safety, I'm contacting the police, current school. If things are that bad in the Rville district, I'm sure there are a lot of innocent kids in danger. If.

If you play a game of any sort at another school and move to another district, you cannot play that sport in the same season unless you have completely moved into the new housing (the entire family) and have a signed document from the former school. CSAP form. The defense rests.

True Fan

The scrimmage doesn't count as a game.

The AAA handbook clearly identifies the first week of real games as the beginning of the football season. The CSAP form doesn't apply.

johnharrison

I just wish Lamar would get their story straight

Was it:

1)The whole family moved for real, all their stuff, 7 days a week
     and for some reason the AAA doesn't understand this
2) The family "mostly" moved but didn't understand the AAA requirements, or relied on some "verbal" OK. 
3)  The family knew they weren't "really" moving to tried to engineer a guardian change. They mistakenly thought they had met the rules, later claiming they were misled by the AAA rule book

I think they got the same answer in November they would have gotten in October, September or August.  "They didn't follow the rules"

Sad thing is they could have gotten a hardship waiver if the parents, the coaches, or the administrators had followed up.....but they didn't

If isn't like the AAA is making up new rules about Bona Vide, it's just that the family understood the term less well than 95% of the AAA community.

Whole thing smells in that it is "unfair" to kick Lamar out, even though they played an ineligible player, but that somehow it is fine to kick Atkins out.  Guess their players don't count as much as Lamar's.

Sure moving the kid from Russelville to Lamar was fine and probably good for the child but should have:

1)  Really moved
2)  Really transferred guardianship
3)  Sat out a year
4)  Requested a hardship.

Four ways to go, family and school did none of them.

Now they feel the courts should change the rules.

jcowell


johnharrison

Everybody in the state except those head in the sand Lamar supporters knows what a move is.

jcowell

Nope, ive noticed a few other people other than Lamar that think Lamar is in the right.

AAAspectator

November 15, 2009, 07:58:16 pm #209 Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 08:00:08 pm by AAAspectator
If you put on a jersey for school A and play school B then move to school C, it counts. You have to have a CSAP for just about anything. Clearly though, this wasn't about football as stated earlier so I guess they forgot to enquire about it. Lamar dropped the ball.
Family moves in. The secretary asks where they are moving from. if the kid is an athlete, when you request records, you get a CSAP to provide proof the kid didn't change schools for athletic purpose as the name says. Not hard to figure out.

For Lamar and the schools that support them, you don't have to be a member of the AAA. Go join/start your own league. There are a few private schools doing it. I'm sure that you all can do a much better job.

Coach of Football

I don't really have a clue what is going on or what will be decided, but I will say that the AAA only complicates most things concerning student transfers because of their refusal to put anything in writing. 

Even if they had told Lamar something in August, they most likely wouldn't have put anything in writing.  RIDICULOUS.

the game

   I don't even know where Lamar is and don't have a 3A team that I support , I just know the AAA  can give the kid a hardship and play ball , they did it last fall for the Fordyce kid to transfer to Woodlawn after playing in two games for the Redbugs .

seark66

Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!


All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%

Sounds like it was written by a ten year old and serves little purpose.  What you would really expect kin to say when it comes to this issue?

True Fan

John, that's part of the problem that I'm having. We keep hearing different versions of the stories. Not only Lamar's, but also the AAA's. 

Lamar may be in the wrong. Obviously, they could have handled it better.

I just want the AAA to be sure that they handled their end properly. Fair and consistant is all that I ask.

johnharrison

Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 08:08:20 pm
Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
  .... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district


No one blames the family for moving the player.  Good on 'em.

But even you in your post admits, that the family "thought" they did things right.  I bet they did, but they didn't.

seark66

Quote from: the game on November 15, 2009, 08:05:51 pmI don't even know where Lamar is and don't have a 3A team that I support , I just know the AAA  can give the kid a hardship and play ball , they did it last fall for the Fordyce kid to transfer to Woodlawn after playing in two games for the Redbugs .

I wish people knew more about that situation before making comparisions to this one.

Woodlawn and the kid in question applied for and recieved the hardship prior to playing him in a game for the Bears.  Lamar failed to do that.  Had they taken care of the hardship paperwork earlier. ..this wouldn't be an issue.

Woodlawn knew the rules and went by the book, the AAA took the side of the student-athlete.  Lamar didn't know/didn't care about the rules...the AAA brought the hammer down.

ChucktownTigerFan

I was told that a MOVE IN did not need paperwork.. but according to the AAA handbook everything has paperwork. Just saying..

jcowell

So does the AAA hanbook say there has to be paperwork on a move in?

the game

Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 08:18:40 pm
Quote from: the game on November 15, 2009, 08:05:51 pmI don't even know where Lamar is and don't have a 3A team that I support , I just know the AAA  can give the kid a hardship and play ball , they did it last fall for the Fordyce kid to transfer to Woodlawn after playing in two games for the Redbugs .

I wish people knew more about that situation before making comparisions to this one.

Woodlawn and the kid in question applied for and recieved the hardship prior to playing him in a game for the Bears.  Lamar failed to do that.  Had they taken care of the hardship paperwork earlier. ..this wouldn't be an issue.

Woodlawn knew the rules and went by the book, the AAA took the side of the student-athlete.  Lamar didn't know/didn't care about the rules...the AAA brought the hammer down.
I'm not saying it's the same , but it's similar , and the easy thing to do would be grant the hardship in writing tomorrow morning ( it should have been done last week) .

Eddie Goodson


tcowell

Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 08:08:20 pm
Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!


All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%

Sounds like it was written by a ten year old and serves little purpose.  What you would really expect kin to say when it comes to this issue?
This is what happens when you realize you are wrong. You start in with the ad hominems and personal attacks. Real nice, bro. Do you make fun of everyone when they are down, or only when it makes you feel better about yourself?

johnharrison

November 15, 2009, 09:23:32 pm #221 Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 09:26:12 pm by johnharrison
Sorry I agree. 

Only excuses for that post are 1) English as a second language 2) unable to type on a Blackberry 3) Too little time in school.

Glad her brother is keeping at it.

(Also hope someone  used Britni's name to post  something )

jcowell

Quote from: tcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:16:19 pm<br />
Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 08:08:20 pm<br />
Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm<br />  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...<br /><br />to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share<br /> Today at 4:47pm<br />First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE?<img src="http://fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/Smileys/classic/huh.gif"; alt="???" title="Huh" border="0" class="smiley" /> DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district?<img src="http://fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/Smileys/classic/huh.gif"; alt="???" title="Huh" border="0" class="smiley" /> do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!! <br /><br /><br />All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%<br />
<br /><br />Sounds like it was written by a ten year old and serves little purpose.  What you would really expect kin to say when it comes to this issue?<br />
<br />This is what happens when you realize you are wrong. You start in with the ad hominems and personal attacks. Real nice, bro. Do you make fun of everyone when they are down, or only when it makes you feel better about yourself?<br />
Who were you refering to ?

Coltfan2005

Quote from: GLion Alum on November 15, 2009, 03:43:45 pm
I have an idea, too.  Why doesn't the AAA abide by the court's injunction, let Lamar into the playoffs and pursue an appeal with the stipulation that the AAA officials and board members foot the bill for the appeal out of their own pockets if they lose?  They're the ones fighting to keep their absolute power.  Better yet, that they agree to give up their paying jobs so they can go to law school to learn how the system works. 

Their threat of cancelling the playoffs reminds me of a similar threat by state powers about 50 years ago to close the Little Rock public schools when a court ruling didn't go their way.  Back then, the powers claimed they were fighting for states' rights; this time, the powers are claiming they're fighting for AAA rights.  Look for similar results if we go down that path again.

All of this talk and you still don't know the difference between a decision and an injunction.

You know, didn't lamar deal with a transfer last year? So wouldn't they already know the requirements and rules? The family didn't know the rules and the admin screwed up. And because the freaking legal system is involved...we find out it's OK for all the other schools to follow the handbook and rules on site but it's also OK for Lamar to go around them or ignore them. Legal wise or not, Lamar's coach and admin did not play by the same rules as everyone else and have decided that they don't care. They are telling every player, coach, and school that even if they screwed up by not following some simple steps....they are more important than all those other people. Doesn't anyone do what's right anymore? Shouldn't people with college degrees and higher be able to keep their paperwork straight?

tcowell

Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:23:55 pm
Quote from: tcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:16:19 pm<br />
Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 08:08:20 pm<br />
Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm<br />  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...<br /><br />to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share<br /> Today at 4:47pm<br />First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE?<img src="http://fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/Smileys/classic/huh.gif"; alt="???" title="Huh" border="0" class="smiley" /> DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district?<img src="http://fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/Smileys/classic/huh.gif"; alt="???" title="Huh" border="0" class="smiley" /> do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!! <br /><br /><br />All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%<br />
<br /><br />Sounds like it was written by a ten year old and serves little purpose.  What you would really expect kin to say when it comes to this issue?<br />
<br />This is what happens when you realize you are wrong. You start in with the ad hominems and personal attacks. Real nice, bro. Do you make fun of everyone when they are down, or only when it makes you feel better about yourself?<br />
Who were you refering to ?
I was referring to seark66. That poor family has enough to worry about without people calling them stupid. And yes it was Britni, she sent me the same message, but she's got herself so worked up over all this and is in such a rush to defend her brother that she's not taking the time to worry about grammar. Cut them a break.

seark66

Quote from: tcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:16:19 pmThis is what happens when you realize you are wrong. You start in with the ad hominems and personal attacks. Real nice, bro. Do you make fun of everyone when they are down, or only when it makes you feel better about yourself?

Nothing personal there.  I was just stating the obvious.

Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!

What part of that seems to have been written by a rational adult?  What part of that seems to have been written by an adult, in general?

Lamar doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs.  I don't care what "somebody from the AAA" said.  I've never seen a high school athletic program take something like eligibility as lightly as Lamar apparently took this case.  They did not complete the proper paperwork and instead of admitting they screwed up...you ran and got a lawyer who built his entire case around a hole in terminology.

You want to talk about making stuff personal.  Go reign in those children from Lamar calling everyone an idiot that does not agree with the "good fight" your community is supposedly fighting.

johnharrison

Her brother didn't do anything wrong!  Why defend him.

The ones to watch might be the parents, who may or may not have really moved and may or may not have made a legal change in guardianship

The others are the coaches and Adminstrators at Lamar.  There job was to handle these things and they scrued up royally.

No the kid is fine.

tcowell

Quote from: johnharrison on November 15, 2009, 09:39:53 pm
Her brother didn't do anything wrong!  Why defend him.


So if you were falsely accused of murder you wouldn't feel the need for defense?

johnharrison

He is not accused of ANYTHING!

The school is accused of playing an ineligible player.

....the school....the school....the school

(unless he tried to hide something from the school)

jcowell

John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld.

johnharrison

Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:49:06 pm
John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld.

I'm not even sure what that means, but the ONLY wrong-doing was when the coach allowed a player who was not eligible to step onto the field. 

No one on this board can argue that it is right to allow an eligible player to play.

What you CAN try to argue is either that
1)  He met the rules
2)  They mistakenly THOUGHT he met the rules

seark66

Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:49:06 pm
John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld.

Atta Boy!

We don't agree with your opinion...so we are obviously heartless fools who have no passion for those mistreated.

I, as has been the case with you Lamar people, disagree.  We care about the number of teams that elected to follow the rules.  They, at the end of the day, are being hurt by this crap more so than Lamar.

Those schools that completed paperwork.  Those schools that worked to handle things above board.  They are being hurt in this crap, too.

Your school is hanging on for one reason...a slick lawyer found a hole in wording.  You people can't get your stories straight.  Everybody says they know somebody who knows somebody.  It all sounds like b.s. to me.

I bet the lawyer is a community hero, now, huh?  Given him a key to the city yet?

jcowell

Quote from: johnharrison on November 15, 2009, 09:53:24 pm<br />
Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:49:06 pm<br />John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld. <br />
<br /><br />I'm not even sure what that means, but the ONLY wrong-doing was when the coach allowed a player who was not eligible to step onto the field.  <br /><br />No one on this board can argue that it is right to allow an eligible player to play.<br /><br />What you CAN try to argue is either that<br />1)  He met the rules <br />2)  They mistakenly THOUGHT he met the rules <br />
Are you not a fan or have a relative playing for the 3a.

johnharrison

Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 09:54:15 pm
Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:49:06 pm
John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld.

Atta Boy!

We don't agree with your opinion...so we are obviously heartless fools who have no passion for those mistreated.

I, as has been the case with you Lamar people, disagree.  We care about the number of teams that elected to follow the rules.  They, at the end of the day, are being hurt by this crap more so than Lamar.

Those schools that completed paperwork.  Those schools that worked to handle things above board.  They are being hurt in this crap, too.

Your school is hanging on for one reason...a slick lawyer found a hole in wording.  You people can't get your stories straight.  Everybody says they know somebody who knows somebody.  It all sounds like b.s. to me.

I bet the lawyer is a community hero, now, huh?  Given him a key to the city yet?

Actually the lawyer for Lamar is a nice guy and any true Razorback fan would know the last name more than once!

lakers

Quote from: johnharrison on November 15, 2009, 09:57:40 pm
Quote from: seark66 on November 15, 2009, 09:54:15 pm
Quote from: jcowell on November 15, 2009, 09:49:06 pm
John Harrison and Seark does not care about whats right or whats wrong. they only care the playoffs being upheld.

Atta Boy!

We don't agree with your opinion...so we are obviously heartless fools who have no passion for those mistreated.

I, as has been the case with you Lamar people, disagree.  We care about the number of teams that elected to follow the rules.  They, at the end of the day, are being hurt by this crap more so than Lamar.

Those schools that completed paperwork.  Those schools that worked to handle things above board.  They are being hurt in this crap, too.

Your school is hanging on for one reason...a slick lawyer found a hole in wording.  You people can't get your stories straight.  Everybody says they know somebody who knows somebody.  It all sounds like b.s. to me.

I bet the lawyer is a community hero, now, huh?  Given him a key to the city yet?

Actually the lawyer for Lamar is a nice guy and any true Razorback fan would know the last name more than once!

Yeah, he's jake becquett's daddy, isn't he?

GLion Alum

Quote from: ColtPride on November 15, 2009, 08:17:46 pm
As a current high school football coach, I say let's play ball.

As an attorney, I say that if I had to pick the side most likely to win in the courtroom - in other words, who has the most favorable side of the case - that's easy.

It's Lamar - not necessarily because of anything they did or didn't do, but because of the AAA's own handbook.

I agree 100%. 

I apologize to the young man in question's sister who sent the message for the crude judgmental posts made by some on here.  As one who has been licensed to practice law in Arkansas for more than 40 years, I found your message more comprehensible than many of their "legal" opinions. 

Chris72941

This is a very bad deal for all, but most of all I feel for those senior boys who would have got to play their hearts to make it to state. All I have to say is if this continues to go sour. Everyone from children, schools, parents, and anyone with any political pull needs to write, email, or call the political figures(congressmen, reps etc) for your area voicing your concerns about this ruling. For good measure send a copy of your letter to the pope co courthouse also. It may sound goofy but it works on fighting issues on a federal level so it will also work on some little worthless courthouse(in the grand scheme of the political power pyramid).

Earl is my Hero!!

Quote from: johnharrison on November 15, 2009, 09:53:24 pm
No one on this board can argue that it is right to allow an eligible player to play.

I can...

GLion Alum

Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 15, 2009, 09:26:58 pm
Quote from: GLion Alum on November 15, 2009, 03:43:45 pm
I have an idea, too.  Why doesn't the AAA abide by the court's injunction, let Lamar into the playoffs and pursue an appeal with the stipulation that the AAA officials and board members foot the bill for the appeal out of their own pockets if they lose?  They're the ones fighting to keep their absolute power.  Better yet, that they agree to give up their paying jobs so they can go to law school to learn how the system works. 

Their threat of cancelling the playoffs reminds me of a similar threat by state powers about 50 years ago to close the Little Rock public schools when a court ruling didn't go their way.  Back then, the powers claimed they were fighting for states' rights; this time, the powers are claiming they're fighting for AAA rights.  Look for similar results if we go down that path again.

All of this talk and you still don't know the difference between a decision and an injunction.


Sorry, I haven't been following "all of this talk" that closely.  I thought three years of law school, a J. D. degree, 20 years of law practice and enough time on the bench to qualify me to draw judicial retirement enabled me to know the difference between an "injunction" and a "decision."  Even if it didn't, I did learn to respect the "freaking legal system," as you called it.

Coltfan2005

All that and yet you thought an injunction was handed down allowing Lamar into the playoffs.

It's two guys with law degrees who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing their butts off in the playoffs. Might not want to brag on yourself too much on here.

Know how you save a drowning lawyer? Take your foot off his head.

GLion Alum

Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 15, 2009, 11:44:43 pm
All that and yet you thought an injunction was handed down allowing Lamar into the playoffs.

It's two guys with law degrees who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing their butts off in the playoffs. Might not want to brag on yourself too much on here.

Know how you save a drowning lawyer? Take your foot off his head.

I don't need to brag; I'm retired now and don't need any legal business.  I just presented my credentials with my opinion.  You presented your credentials--what you had read on here--with your opinion.

Courts don't make final decisions in cases until after going through a long process.  Defendants usually have 20 days to answer after a petition has been filed, then the plaintiffs have more time to reply, and then there's discovery, and the process goes on and on.  Finally, a hearing on the merits is held and a final decision is made.  If either side is unhappy with the decision, they can file an appeal.

In this case, Lamar asked for emergency temporary relief, and, after a hearing with testimony, the court temporarily enjoined (that's the verb for "injunction") the AAA from enforcing its decision to forfeit the Lamar victories and remove Lamar from the playoffs.  I guess any time a court rules on something it is a "decision," but the nature of the relief granted by the court in this case was that of a temporary injunction or, perhaps, a temporary restraining order, but I'm not about to tackle the distinctions between those two in this forum.

It's not lawyers who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing football.  It's the AAA officials who are refusing to do what the court ordered.   

attaboy

Quote from: GLion Alum on November 16, 2009, 01:26:59 am
Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 15, 2009, 11:44:43 pm
All that and yet you thought an injunction was handed down allowing Lamar into the playoffs.

It's two guys with law degrees who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing their butts off in the playoffs. Might not want to brag on yourself too much on here.

Know how you save a drowning lawyer? Take your foot off his head.

I don't need to brag; I'm retired now and don't need any legal business.  I just presented my credentials with my opinion.  You presented your credentials--what you had read on here--with your opinion.

Courts don't make final decisions in cases until after going through a long process.  Defendants usually have 20 days to answer after a petition has been filed, then the plaintiffs have more time to reply, and then there's discovery, and the process goes on and on.  Finally, a hearing on the merits is held and a final decision is made.  If either side is unhappy with the decision, they can file an appeal.

In this case, Lamar asked for emergency temporary relief, and, after a hearing with testimony, the court temporarily enjoined (that's the verb for "injunction") the AAA from enforcing its decision to forfeit the Lamar victories and remove Lamar from the playoffs.  I guess any time a court rules on something it is a "decision," but the nature of the relief granted by the court in this case was that of a temporary injunction or, perhaps, a temporary restraining order, but I'm not about to tackle the distinctions between those two in this forum.

It's not lawyers who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing football.  It's the AAA officials who are refusing to do what the court ordered.  

Glion Alum...in your  opinion....I am sure you have read the AAA handbook...are you surprised it has taken so long for this poorly constructed document to be challenged?

Rerun

I dislike most lawyers when I need them and when I don't.  I think I usually dislike what they represent.  Anyway, I think the bottom line is that Lamar forgot to use the CYA policy.  If Lamar had done that from the beginning and the AAA said no, then it possibly would've already gone through the legal system.

Death_Knight

Quote from: babydossett on November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
  I am posting this for Britni Estes-Morris who is the sister of the child in question...for those of you who have a heart maybe you can see the families anguish they are going thru..With respect--here it is...

to AAA and those not on lamars side!Share
Today at 4:47pm
First of all i wanna say once again thank you to the supporters second i wanna say to all that dont support lamar at this time do you know the facts to the case? What if it were your child? What if you were on this team? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY THE CHILD IN QUESTION TRANSFURED IN THE FIRST PLACE???? DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER IN ANY WAY PURPOSLY PUT THIS MUCH DISPUTE ON ANYONE? Do you know his parents only moved him for safety reasons not to help lamar to victory and certainly not to hear you talk bad about the situation..... the student or family members of the student were in NO way brived, payed recruted or anything close to this. After witnessing threats made promising to put your son in the hospital after a fight that you know involved your son against more than 4 other ppl at one time, (one on two is bad enough if u ask me) then to watch your childs truck get stolen, and hear about students throwin up "GUN SIGNS" toward your child.... do u think you would have left him in that school district? do you think you could have let him stay in harms way? im askin you..... do you triple a or parents of other teams do you really think after all the knowlege of school shootings do you think you would have left your child to live in that school district???? do you really think it was about helpin lamar win when they went to playoffs last year WITHOUT the child in question do you think he really made that much of a difference when he didnt even start for lamar? do you think this kid skinny as a rail really won it all for lamar?? AND MOSTLY could you really say if this was your child or your team can you really say you would stand down and let triple a tell you your team could not play or sit there as a parent and let ppl think it was your childs fault that there team had to give up all the games they worked so hard to win?? He is a child that cares more about a whole team than him self he did not want to leave his team of friends at the other school his parents just feared for his safty as would i he is the kind of kid that felt givin time he and the other boys would make up cause he cared for everyone but what if what if he did stay and that one fear of every parent came through and one angry child heavan forbid brought a gun to school and carried out the threats they had made? would you want your child to stay and risk this? would you expect your child to sit out a whole season of games when you thought everything was already cleared with triple a and the hand book proved you were moving in good faith? Blaid is the kind of kid that woulda sat out this season if he would have known it all woulda came to this.... he loves the game but has came more to love his new team who he calls family he loves the warriors and would do anything for his team of brothers! I know he is sorry for the pain in my opion he did not cause but HE feels blaim he cant take back what all has happend to this point but if it were your child if it were your team if this was your situation if it were your family member what would you vote? hopefully your words would change and you would be proud of a family who did all they knew to protect their child and proud of a boy who just wanted to play football and proud of a team that stood behind their newest member and proud of a school board that did all they knew how to make sure it was a legal transfure, and proud of a community that supports eachother and in good faith we have all made desicions that led down to this. Triple A i say dont let the boys suffer any more dont cancel playoffs dont try to fight a case you know you dont deserve to win and dont make the other teams wait any longer to know if they can play. MONDAY we will know more pray Triple A know in their hearts they r wrong! PRAY THE WARRIORS GET TO PLAY!!! AND MOSTLY PRAY TRIPLE A GOES BACK TO FOOTBALL BEING ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!! GROW UP EVERYONE IT IS A GAME LET THE ONES WHOM HAVE WORKED SO HARD AND CAME SO FAR PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!!!


All I can say is Way to go Britni--our community is behind you 100%
Wow after that story I think the AAA should let Lamar in, and give the kid a full blown scholarship to the school of his choice. At least if he can learn how to fight.

Almost every kid when I was in school got in a fight, my son today gets in a fight at school on occasion, just last Friday for instance, it is a fact of life that kids are going to fight. I say let them fight it out. Sounds to me like there is more to the story if there were multiple kids jumping on him, had his truck stolen blah blah blah, why is it the administrators froM RussVegas have said they know nothing of any kind of assault on this kid? Sounds like BS to me, but then again I've been wrong before.

johnharrison

Quote from: GLion Alum on November 16, 2009, 01:26:59 am
Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 15, 2009, 11:44:43 pm
All that and yet you thought an injunction was handed down allowing Lamar into the playoffs.

It's two guys with law degrees who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing their butts off in the playoffs. Might not want to brag on yourself too much on here.

Know how you save a drowning lawyer? Take your foot off his head.

I don't need to brag; I'm retired now and don't need any legal business.  I just presented my credentials with my opinion.  You presented your credentials--what you had read on here--with your opinion.

Courts don't make final decisions in cases until after going through a long process.  Defendants usually have 20 days to answer after a petition has been filed, then the plaintiffs have more time to reply, and then there's discovery, and the process goes on and on.  Finally, a hearing on the merits is held and a final decision is made.  If either side is unhappy with the decision, they can file an appeal.

In this case, Lamar asked for emergency temporary relief, and, after a hearing with testimony, the court temporarily enjoined (that's the verb for "injunction") the AAA from enforcing its decision to forfeit the Lamar victories and remove Lamar from the playoffs.  I guess any time a court rules on something it is a "decision," but the nature of the relief granted by the court in this case was that of a temporary injunction or, perhaps, a temporary restraining order, but I'm not about to tackle the distinctions between those two in this forum.

It's not lawyers who are keeping hundreds of kids from playing football.  It's the AAA officials who are refusing to do what the court ordered.  

I know you say you are a lawyer, but what was the AAA ordered to do that they have not.

Even you said that the AAA was enjoined from ........
And they did.

Are you now saying the judge ORDERED them to start the playoffs with Lamar?

AAAspectator

Here is something I don't get. No law was broken so why is a judge even involved? Kids are not allowed to play for multiple reasons. This happens every season, sadly.

I can't wait for the next time a game is decided by a bad call and some school asks a judge to review a call. The officials are are a part of the AAA so this has opened a scary scenario. If this holds up, high school athletics will be changed forever; for the worse.

Stick to legal issues please. I didn't like Congress messing with the BCS and I don't like this either.

bootsie84

Playoofs are back on.  Finals to be played at UCA on December 18.

YC

Quote from: AAAspectator on November 16, 2009, 10:47:24 am
Here is something I don't get. No law was broken so why is a judge even involved? Kids are not allowed to play for multiple reasons. This happens every season, sadly.

I can't wait for the next time a game is decided by a bad call and some school asks a judge to review a call. The officials are are a part of the AAA so this has opened a scary scenario. If this holds up, high school athletics will be changed forever; for the worse.

Stick to legal issues please. I didn't like Congress messing with the BCS and I don't like this either.

^ ^ ^ ^
That's the best and most true post that's been made concerning this sorry mess.

HSFBF

Good post YakimaCanutt!  Just sorry I can not catch you in the Pick'em contest. I am in the top 5-6 trying my best but now gotta figure the 3A all over again...
Personally, this AAA-Lamar thing is not over yet. I think after the football season is over you will see fireworks again... just my gut feeling opinion.

sports_lover

Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on November 15, 2009, 11:01:36 pm
Quote from: johnharrison on November 15, 2009, 09:53:24 pm
No one on this board can argue that it is right to allow an eligible player to play.

I can...

In my opinion, the player is ineligible because the proper paperwork was not completed.  Why require paperwork of any player if you're not going to require it of all?

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