Poll
Question:
What do you think?
Option 1: I think PA wins and I want PA to win
Option 2: I think PA wins but I want LRC to win
Option 3: I think LRC wins and I want LRC to win
Option 4: I think LRC wins but I want PA to win
I think it's more of a shootout this time around and a closer game, but LRCA loses by 14. Can't get over the mental aspect and always struggles against the big brother.
If you like defense and smash mouth football stay far away. This is the 7 on 7 State Championship. I seriously doubt we'll see a defensive stop. PA wins on turnovers and onside kicks. And because they are much better. I say PA gets up by 3 scores in the first half and then the game becomes "You score, we score, you score, we score". The players on defense will serve as nothing more than slaloms for the offense to weave through.
I think Justice Hill's presence in this game makes a difference, but I still believe PA wins.
Quote from: DT on November 23, 2018, 10:13:07 pm
I think Justice Hill's presence in this game makes a difference, but I still believe PA wins.
Justice Hill makes a big difference but he's not good for 35 points. PA makes it 5.
I may attend this game
Quote from: JessieP on November 23, 2018, 10:12:22 pm
If you like defense and smash mouth football stay far away. This is the 7 on 7 State Championship. I seriously doubt we'll see a defensive stop. PA wins on turnovers and onside kicks. And because they are much better. I say PA gets up by 3 scores in the first half and then the game becomes "You score, we score, you score, we score". The players on defense will serve as nothing more than slaloms for the offense to weave through.
Ditto what he said, there may be a total of 150 points in this game. The winner of this game will be the one with the most glue on there gloves to recover the on side kicks, good luck to both teams. JesseP, is it true u rented a hot pink camo stretch limo to take you to this game, if so, swing by Wynne and pick me up, I got my new Big Smith overalls washed up to go to the Battle of the Centrals best recruiters, just kidding PA and LRCA, ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: JessieP on November 23, 2018, 10:15:37 pm
Justice Hill makes a big difference but he's not good for 35 points. PA makes it 5.
Well, didn't you say P.A. would mercy rule Harrison?
Hill is the engine that runs LRCA. He is a playmaker and a difference maker. He may be worth 35 points to LRCA.
I agree that neither defense looks very good right now. If either defense can step up and make a couple of stops that team wins. But, I'd put the over/under at 120 points.
I'll take P.A. to win because PA has owned LRCA and LRCA tries too hard and plays tight against P.A.
Replacing a QB in high school football is a huge task, especially when that QB is making his varsity starting debut on the road at PA. LRCA had open receivers all game but no one to get them the ball. Justice Hill is probably winning the Landers award and is the most athletic player on either team by a mile, so of course the Warriors will look much different compared to week 6. I'm actually going out on the limb here saying LRCA wins a close one. Hill may run for 250+.
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Quote from: TNT_15 on November 23, 2018, 10:38:13 pm
Isn't the only time lrca beat pa was when the game was on espn?
Correct! 2009
Quote from: Central AR on November 23, 2018, 10:40:23 pm
Correct! 2009
Well if they were going to pick any two times to win I guess it would be that one and this next one!
First team to a hundred wins.
I say definitely more than 130 points.
No defense here. Maybe a couple turnovers. But that's it.
Quote from: Central AR on November 23, 2018, 10:31:47 pm
Replacing a QB in high school football is a huge task, especially when that QB is making his varsity starting debut on the road at PA. LRCA had open receivers all game but no one to get them the ball. Justice Hill is probably winning the Landers award and is the most athletic player on either team by a mile, so of course the Warriors will look much different compared to week 6. I'm actually going out on the limb here saying LRCA wins a close one. Hill may run for 250+.
You are right... PA doesn't have any D-1 athletes or players even close to Hill's athletic ability
Quote from: Freight Train on November 24, 2018, 12:01:11 am
You are right... PA doesn't have any D-1 athletes or players even close to Hill's athletic ability
Did I say PA had no Division-1 athletes? No one on PA is really that close to his athleticism. Sorry man. Hudson Henry is a great route runner and has amazing hands. He's an athlete in his own right. I know they have other D1 guys, I just think Hill is in a different category. You know this.
Quote from: PA Dad on November 23, 2018, 10:25:12 pm
Well, didn't you say P.A. would mercy rule Harrison?
Hill is the engine that runs LRCA. He is a playmaker and a difference maker. He may be worth 35 points to LRCA.
I agree that neither defense looks very good right now. If either defense can step up and make a couple of stops that team wins. But, I'd put the over/under at 120 points.
I'll take P.A. to win because PA has owned LRCA and LRCA tries too hard and plays tight against P.A.
Yes I did and I was wrong. In my defense, tonight was the first time I watched PA from start to finish. I was basing the mercy rule prediction on everything I've read from PA posters, as much as we fuss I do find you guys as a group to be very knowledgeable, you keep the cheer leading to a minimum. I was reading about PA's aggressive swarming defense. Superior defenses don't give up 50+ points twice in a season. PA's offense is way beyond superior, they are next level. The defense is adequate, they get the job done. The ironic thing is how PA's offense went through Harrison's defense like the proverbial knife/butter, that's not a knock, Harrison's defense was top notch.
Quote from: Freight Train on November 24, 2018, 12:01:11 am
You are right... PA doesn't have any D-1 athletes or players even close to Hill's athletic ability
Easy coach, no D-1 athletes? Hudson Henry is the top ranked TE in America. He is numero uno, ahead of the IMG, Mater Dei, Bishop Gorman and Long Beach Poly TE's. Hill is a D-1 BASKETBALL player. He makes no National top 10's at qb. Criswell does, but he's a junior. You may want to re-word your post to say "PA has no D1 athletes besides the one ranked number 1 in the Nation".
Quote from: JessieP on November 24, 2018, 12:16:12 am
Yes I did and I was wrong. In my defense, tonight was the first time I watched PA from start to finish. I was basing the mercy rule prediction on everything I've read from PA posters, as much as we fuss I do find you guys as a group to be very knowledgeable, you keep the cheer leading to a minimum. I was reading about PA's aggressive swarming defense. Superior defenses don't give up 50+ points twice in a season. PA's offense is way beyond superior, they are next level. The defense is adequate, they get the job done. The ironic thing is how PA's offense went through Harrison's defense like the proverbial knife/butter, that's not a knock, Harrison's defense was top notch.
And I admit I was one who was touting PA's defense. They did not look good tonight. That was due in large part to Harrison's offense which is very good.
We will have our hands full trying to stop Hill and LRCA's offense. And they will have their hands full trying to stop ours. If you like offense this will be a great game to watch.
Quote from: JessieP on November 24, 2018, 12:23:50 am
Easy coach, no D-1 athletes? Hudson Henry is the top ranked TE in America. He is numero uno, ahead of the IMG, Mater Dei, Bishop Gorman and Long Beach Poly TE's. Hill is a D-1 BASKETBALL player. He makes no National top 10's at qb. Criswell does, but he's a junior. You may want to re-word your post to say "PA has no D1 athletes besides the one ranked number 1 in the Nation".
I was being sarcastic in my comment
Quote from: Freight Train on November 24, 2018, 12:27:02 am
I was being sarcastic in my comment
Oops, I missed that one. I usually gravitate towards sarcasm but you threw that one past me, kudos.
Quote from: JessieP on November 24, 2018, 12:16:12 am
Yes I did and I was wrong. In my defense, tonight was the first time I watched PA from start to finish. I was basing the mercy rule prediction on everything I've read from PA posters, as much as we fuss I do find you guys as a group to be very knowledgeable, you keep the cheer leading to a minimum. I was reading about PA's aggressive swarming defense. Superior defenses don't give up 50+ points twice in a season. PA's offense is way beyond superior, they are next level. The defense is adequate, they get the job done. The ironic thing is how PA's offense went through Harrison's defense like the proverbial knife/butter, that's not a knock, Harrison's defense was top notch.
Harrison is the only team to put up 50+ points up on PA this season. Next highest was 39 points by Maumelle. 9 out of 13 games have been 21 or less. Other thing you have to take into account is the increase in number of possessions for teams while playing PA.
PA could score 70 again and might need it to win.
The team that recovers the most onside kicks wins.
Onside kicks, of course, and turnovers will decide the game I believe.
Hopefully, the game will live up to the hype and become an epic battle. It is great to play against friends, neighbors, and fellow church members. This is one of the things that makes high school football so great!
It's an all West Little Rock 5A final, oh and Joe T is in the semis again in 4A. Three teams in a 5 mile radius that are really really good.
1 Stadium Drive, Little Rock, AR 72205 - Address for all the LRCA supporters.
Quote from: Rocket23 on November 24, 2018, 10:10:11 am
Onside kicks, of course, and turnovers will decide the game I believe.
Hopefully, the game will live up to the hype and become an epic battle. It is great to play against friends, neighbors, and fellow church members. This is one of the things that makes high school football so great!
LRC supporters go to church?? Cant believe that
Quote from: makessense on November 24, 2018, 02:46:48 pm
1 Stadium Drive, Little Rock, AR 72205 - Address for all the LRCA supporters.
Why go to all that trouble, it's the big cement structure by the zoo. Better yet, just follow the PA buses to the game. It's second nature to them. Besides, if your trying to emulate everything PA does you may as well take the same route to the game. I hear LRC is changing their nickname to the Grizzlies.
Quote from: Hogman2018 on November 24, 2018, 03:18:02 pm
LRC supporters go to church?? Cant believe that
Hogman, we forgive you, as in many instances, you know not of what you speak
Quote from: 88CityChamp on November 24, 2018, 04:58:36 pm
Hogman, we forgive you, as in many instances, you know not of what you speak
That is one angry guy.
Quote from: Hogman2018 on November 24, 2018, 03:18:02 pm
LRC supporters go to church?? Cant believe that
Some churches, certainly not the Mormon ones.
Back to the State Championship game, that public private school thread gave me a headache, PA will win this one by at least 28. Congrats to both teams for making it to the title game.
We get throttled by LRCA.
Justice Hill is one double helix away from being a combination of Jessie Owens, Joe Montana, Barry Sanders and Zeus.
Will take 90 points to beat them, and no team could score 90........wait.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 24, 2018, 10:26:40 pm
We get throttled by LRCA.
Justice Hill is one double helix away from being a combination of Jessie Owens, Joe Montana, Barry Sanders and Zeus.
Will take 90 points to beat them, and no team could score 90........wait.
I heard that Warrior Vision will have JessieP doing handstand push-ups on the Salvation Army Bucket every time Hill scores ;D
Just curious, I saw PA and LRCA 9th grade teams play each other early in the year. PA had a running back that was one of the best I've ever seen. I'm normally not one to talk how good an athlete is but he was really really good. Unfortunately he got hurt that night and I was wondering who the kid was, how is he doing and will he be playing Friday?
Bad leg break.
He will be back next year.
He has been an unstoppable force since 5th grade.
Thank you for asking. I was at that game and it was a sad thing to see him carted off. He is a great kid.
And he was just back from a torn up ankle the season before. He is very good.
Beebe had a stud eighth grader that was big and fast. Was almost a Treylon Burks clone.
Quote from: 88CityChamp on November 24, 2018, 04:58:36 pm
Hogman, we forgive you, as in many instances, you know not of what you speak
You dont have to forgive me i know what I speak!! Actions speak louder than words!!
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 24, 2018, 10:26:40 pm
We get throttled by LRCA.
Justice Hill is one double helix away from being a combination of Jessie Owens, Joe Montana, Barry Sanders and Zeus.
Will take 90 points to beat them, and no team could score 90........wait.
Not according to Incognito he said they are not a one man team!! Take Hill off that team they would be a .500 team!
Quote from: Overdahill on November 25, 2018, 07:37:36 am
I heard that Warrior Vision will have JessieP doing handstand push-ups on the Salvation Army Bucket every time Hill scores ;D
Thats Funny 😆
Quote from: Rocket23 on November 25, 2018, 01:18:22 pm
And he was just back from a torn up ankle the season before. He is very good.
Beebe had a stud eighth grader that was big and fast. Was almost a Treylon Burks clone.
Yeah that young man was impressive.
Quote from: Rocket23 on November 25, 2018, 01:18:22 pm
And he was just back from a torn up ankle the season before. He is very good.
Beebe had a stud eighth grader that was big and fast. Was almost a Treylon Burks clone.
arkansas needs more Treylon Burks clones!
Quote from: STUNNA on November 25, 2018, 10:33:18 pm
arkansas needs more Treylon Burks clones!
yes they do.A lot more.
I'm neutral but I think PA wins a close one.
Scoring on Harrison the way they did I feel that PA will run away with this game.Expect Hill to not quit till the final whistle is blown.
PA-62
Lrca-35
LRCA's defense is a lot better than a lot of people give them credit for. Sure, they gave up a lot to Maumelle and PA. PA has really good skill position guys and can score, we all know that. In that game, Hill didn't play which IMO, I don't think PA can stop him. The defense was gassed in the second half because of being on the field so much, that's when the whole state learned about how good of a runner Bratcher is. The Maumelle game, LRCA was playing without three key starters on the defense. Having coached against these guys this year and seen them in person against other teams, LRCA will give PA a tough time upfront, #7 Drake Bradley is a man on that D-line and LB #43 flys to the football. Having Justice back this game will create holes for the RB Kendall Givens who runs hard at 220lbs. If LRCA can get a lead and slow it down, they will beat PA. PA is well coached on defense just not a lot of size, I thought that would hurt them against LCM and Harrison but they play hard. LRCA has to recover the onside kicks, if Harrison recovers those two kicks with 2:30 left in the first half, they probably win that game. Going to be a great game, can't wait to watch it.
Quote from: Reddie20 on November 27, 2018, 02:19:08 pm
LRCA's defense is a lot better than a lot of people give them credit for. Sure, they gave up a lot to Maumelle and PA. PA has really good skill position guys and can score, we all know that. In that game, Hill didn't play which IMO, I don't think PA can stop him. The defense was gassed in the second half because of being on the field so much, that's when the whole state learned about how good of a runner Bratcher is. The Maumelle game, LRCA was playing without three key starters on the defense. Having coached against these guys this year and seen them in person against other teams, LRCA will give PA a tough time upfront, #7 Drake Bradley is a man on that D-line and LB #43 flys to the football. Having Justice back this game will create holes for the RB Kendall Givens who runs hard at 220lbs. If LRCA can get a lead and slow it down, they will beat PA. PA is well coached on defense just not a lot of size, I thought that would hurt them against LCM and Harrison but they play hard. LRCA has to recover the onside kicks, if Harrison recovers those two kicks with 2:30 left in the first half, they probably win that game. Going to be a great game, can't wait to watch it.
Very little in this I disagree with.
And I will double dog guarantee the following....
Neither team will punt. Ever.
Both will onside kick every time.
The game will be decided on turnovers and onside kicks.
There will be less than 4 possessions between both teams that result in a turnover on downs, and there may not be any.
I will not be surprised by either team winning.
Quote from: Reddie20 on November 27, 2018, 02:19:08 pm
LRCA's defense is a lot better than a lot of people give them credit for. Sure, they gave up a lot to Maumelle and PA. PA has really good skill position guys and can score, we all know that. In that game, Hill didn't play which IMO, I don't think PA can stop him. The defense was gassed in the second half because of being on the field so much, that's when the whole state learned about how good of a runner Bratcher is. The Maumelle game, LRCA was playing without three key starters on the defense. Having coached against these guys this year and seen them in person against other teams, LRCA will give PA a tough time upfront, #7 Drake Bradley is a man on that D-line and LB #43 flys to the football. Having Justice back this game will create holes for the RB Kendall Givens who runs hard at 220lbs. If LRCA can get a lead and slow it down, they will beat PA. PA is well coached on defense just not a lot of size, I thought that would hurt them against LCM and Harrison but they play hard. LRCA has to recover the onside kicks, if Harrison recovers those two kicks with 2:30 left in the first half, they probably win that game. Going to be a great game, can't wait to watch it.
You make good, solid thought out concise points. One caveat, it sound a little to much like Wynne 2 years ago. I will never again make the mistake of doubting PA's coaching staff. All this JH talk ignores one simple fact, KK and his staff are full aware of what he can do. The names change but the brain trust stays the same. 2 years ago Wynne's defense was 5x's better than LRC this years. They were big, fast and angry. Their offense ran over people, they had 2 1,000 rushers and an o-line that towered over PA's defensive front. They outweighed them by 50lbs a player. Wynne was waiving the white flag before halftime. What your argument is focusing on is the players, PA is all about the system, the players don't matter. Drop off from Hatcher? Nope. Missing Hunter Henry? Nope. It's the system. The greatest coach in all of sports, John Wooden (The Bruin thing is a coincidence) said "When you pit a system against a group of players the system wins every time". Trust me on this one, When the PA coaches sat down Sunday to set the game plan they didn't say "Oh man, JH is back", they said "JH is back so we'll do x, y and z". 4 in a row is not a coincidence.
This game was over the minute the horn sounded in the PA/Harrison game.
PA by 50
I hate that this game is Friday night. I'll be in NWA watching the 4A semi. I was hoping for a Saturday night game. Hope the weather doesnt play a factor in it.
PA by 28. The last time these two met this season, PA beat LRC by 42 I believe. I know that they when met it was really early in the season, so I think that the margin of victory will be somewhat closer this time, but I don't think that PA will have any trouble winning their 5th straight. They are a dynasty in the 5A.
Have it on good authority LRCA has already contacted Jostens to order their state runner up rings. 8)
Ya'll see the article in the Dem Gaz today on the 5A game?
Neither did I. I just saw a long story about how Zeus is the greatest quarterback to ever walk the face of the earth.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 28, 2018, 02:13:32 pm
Ya'll see the article in the Dem Gaz today on the 5A game?
Neither did I. I just saw a long story about how Zeus is the greatest quarterback to ever walk the face of the earth.
i guess we are a basketball state now for sure ;)
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 28, 2018, 02:13:32 pm
Ya'll see the article in the Dem Gaz today on the 5A game?
Neither did I. I just saw a long story about how Zeus is the greatest quarterback to ever walk the face of the earth.
I'm telling ya it's not just me. I have never seen a player so hyped. Criswell is hyped by Morrilton fans on these boards, and it's well deserved, having actually watched a game he's a pure passer, but nothing to the extent Hill is. All these idiots in the National recruiting services have the audacity to rank Criswell above Hill, in fact I've never ranked highly as a qb on any National sites. But the people around LRC and now the Dem-Gaz act like he is this unstoppable force. He's great but my goodness, no one is that great. Now granted, at the high school level those kind of love letter articles are pitched to the paper by the coach, I get that. He's the face of LRC football and any Coach would do the same thing. Last time I checked PA has some player who does make National rankings, what number was he ranked again?...Oh yeah, Number 1. But then what do those dummies in the SEC know. Never mind winning the game, it looks like Hill will end PA's run, I just hope those kids don't stare directly into that sun, corneal burns are quite painful. LRC is ELO and Hill is Jeff Lynn.
Only a few of us dinosaurs will get that reference. For those of you posters born AD, After Donkey King, ELO is not really a group. It's Jeff Lynne and a bunch of hired musicians. I read that since it's starting over 200 various people have recorded/toured with ELO. Lynn writes/composes/sings every ELO song. It's the epitome of one man making the band.
Quote from: JessieP on November 27, 2018, 09:58:23 pm
You make good, solid thought out concise points. One caveat, it sound a little to much like Wynne 2 years ago. I will never again make the mistake of doubting PA's coaching staff. All this JH talk ignores one simple fact, KK and his staff are full aware of what he can do. The names change but the brain trust stays the same. 2 years ago Wynne's defense was 5x's better than LRC this years. They were big, fast and angry. Their offense ran over people, they had 2 1,000 rushers and an o-line that towered over PA's defensive front. They outweighed them by 50lbs a player. Wynne was waiving the white flag before halftime. What your argument is focusing on is the players, PA is all about the system, the players don't matter. Drop off from Hatcher? Nope. Missing Hunter Henry? Nope. It's the system. The greatest coach in all of sports, John Wooden (The Bruin thing is a coincidence) said "When you pit a system against a group of players the system wins every time". Trust me on this one, When the PA coaches sat down Sunday to set the game plan they didn't say "Oh man, JH is back", they said "JH is back so we'll do x, y and z". 4 in a row is not a coincidence.
Your point is well taken but Wynne couldn't throw it .....at all. Like many "very good teams" they were too one dimensional and they turned it over multiple times to start the game with PA selling out to shut the run game down and the Jackets were swamped from the start.
Kk is a great high school coach (not RJ from out west but very good) and if you watch the film of the last one it was close at half time with a 1st time starter at qb for the Warriors and the Warrior D had multiple stops in 1st half. It didn't turn until the 3rd qtr meltdown at qb when the pressure came and the Warrrior D was then gassed when the O couldn'stay on the field more than 2-3 plays. KK better be scheming as LRCA will have more than a 5 play offensive scheme this time and if he comes with the same essentially 8 man front as last time on D they will give up 70 to the Warriors. I am really looking forward to this game as it is 2 very good teams.
Hope cool heads prevail and this game is moved to Saturday morning. Storms forecast to start at 6:00 Friday.
AAA just announced no change
Disappointed
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 08:28:24 am
AAA just announced no change
Disappointed
Can you imagine the backlash if two private schools got the game rescheduled and effected 4 public schools game times?
Quote from: incogneto on November 29, 2018, 08:41:41 am
Can you imagine the backlash if two private schools got the game rescheduled and effected 4 public schools game times?
Warren played in a monsoon and went through 3 lightening delays in 2013. The game ended around Midnight.
Think the Chenel mascara and brooks brothers trousers will be just fine to get a little wet :D
Did anyone know that if PA wins it will be the longest consecutive football championship streak in Arkansas history? Right now they are tied with Barton at 4.
Quote from: JessieP on November 29, 2018, 09:23:53 am
Did anyone know that if PA wins it will be the longest consecutive football championship streak in Arkansas history? Right now they are tied with Bryant at 4.
Barton you mean
Quote from: JessieP on November 29, 2018, 09:23:53 am
Did anyone know that if PA wins it will be the longest consecutive football championship streak in Arkansas history? Right now they are tied with Bryant at 4.
Barton not Bryant, I think. Bryant is making their first state championship game for football.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 09:20:01 am
Warren played in a monsoon and went through 3 lightening delays in 2013. The game ended around Midnight.
Think the Chenel mascara and brooks brothers trousers will be just fine to get a little wet :D
My Hart, Schaffer & Marx custom tailored rain suit is ready
They will pass Barton in the modern era for consecutive championships if they win.
What are you guys talking about, I said Barton! Geez guys, pay attention. I don't make mistakes. There was one time where I thought I was mistaken, turns out I was wrong.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 29, 2018, 09:35:35 am
My Hart, Schaffer & Marx custom tailored rain suit is ready
Stop it. You'll have your limo pulled up in the end zone with a PA tent over it.
I never advocated 3 games on Saturday. I would support moving to sunday afternoon are Monday night.
in no way shape or form should they impact Saturday plans.
I was at that Warren game. Just figured they wouldn't want a repeat of that.
oh well. Game on.
I'm hoping PA wears a different uniform every quarter.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on November 29, 2018, 10:22:56 am
I'm hoping PA wears a different uniform every quarter.
Makes for fun discussion.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on November 29, 2018, 10:22:56 am
I'm hoping PA wears a different uniform every quarter.
Does anyone remember Mood Rings from the late 70's? Some of us are really that old. They changed colors to reflect your mood, we later found out it was temperature (I was devastated) that caused the change. I say PA has the money, why not develop a mood uniform? They change color with the temperature. Or better yet, use led technology and micro chips and develop a helmet that can change during the play! Yeah, that's the ticket. KK could have a joy stick attached to his belt and he can call an audible at the line of scrimmage by changing the color and design of the helmet. Changing uniforms at halftime? talk about archaic.
Quote from: JessieP on November 29, 2018, 10:53:11 am
Does anyone remember Mood Rings from the late 70's? Some of us are really that old. They changed colors to reflect your mood, we later found out it was temperature (I was devastated) that caused the change. I say PA has the money, why not develop a mood uniform? They change color with the temperature. Or better yet, use led technology and micro chips and develop a helmet that can change during the play! Yeah, that's the ticket. KK could have a joy stick attached to his belt and he can call an audible at the line of scrimmage by changing the color and design of the helmet. Changing uniforms at halftime? talk about archaic.
You can actually buy mood rings at this place at the mall lol.
My wife and I thought they were great. Our 9 year old..not so much. Ha.
The game will be played on Monday night if bad weather dictates.
where's that coming from Maynard?
As of now, the AAA is saying it's on tomorrow, despite the forecast.
And that forecast has now changed to include a moderate risk of tornadoes. Surely they will make the call before everyone shows up......
This ain't no private v. public issue. This is a game lots of folks want to see.
Even old pre-kids yellowcake would be going to this one. With the hope of a scoreless tie and 44 injured players.
Telling yall, when I was younger and just "ignurnt", I was a hater. As big a hater as any of ya. For they same reasons.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 12:23:37 pm
where's that coming from Maynard?
As of now, the AAA is saying it's on tomorrow, despite the forecast.
And that forecast has now changed to include a moderate risk of tornadoes. Surely they will make the call before everyone shows up......
This ain't no private v. public issue. This is a game lots of folks want to see.
Even old pre-kids yellowcake would be going to this one. With the hope of a scoreless tie and 44 injured players.
Telling yall, when I was younger and just "ignurnt", I was a hater. As big a hater as any of ya. For they same reasons.
Heard it was announced at school.
Quote from: JessieP on November 29, 2018, 10:53:11 am
Does anyone remember Mood Rings from the late 70's? Some of us are really that old. They changed colors to reflect your mood, we later found out it was temperature (I was devastated) that caused the change. I say PA has the money, why not develop a mood uniform? They change color with the temperature. Or better yet, use led technology and micro chips and develop a helmet that can change during the play! Yeah, that's the ticket. KK could have a joy stick attached to his belt and he can call an audible at the line of scrimmage by changing the color and design of the helmet. Changing uniforms at halftime? talk about archaic.
We already have the technology. Have had it since the 80's. You remember the Generra Hypercolor shirts? It's just a matter of implementation now.
well, that means it's now at least on the table.
If they move the game to Monday, and Justice wants it to be pouring rain during the game because he thinks it will give LRCA an advantage, he will just move the rain to Monday. Because, you know, he's Justice....
Oh, stop it again. I am just kidding. ;D
you will like this.
Per the AAA Handbook, only persons with the authority to postpone a game are the officials on site at the game.
That's what Hooten's says.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 12:23:37 pm
where's that coming from Maynard?
As of now, the AAA is saying it's on tomorrow, despite the forecast.
And that forecast has now changed to include a moderate risk of tornadoes. Surely they will make the call before everyone shows up......
This ain't no private v. public issue. This is a game lots of folks want to see.
Even old pre-kids yellowcake would be going to this one. With the hope of a scoreless tie and 44 injured players.
Telling yall, when I was younger and just "ignurnt", I was a hater. As big a hater as any of ya. For they same reasons.
It should be continued. And delayed just like any other game if need be.
Grab you a poncho and weather it out.
Quote from: Chief_Osceola™ on November 29, 2018, 12:29:26 pm
We already have the technology. Have had it since the 80's. You remember the Generra Hypercolor shirts? It's just a matter of implementation now.
OMG, Generra. I myself sported the Generra peach blazer with the sleeves pushed up to the elbow. I wish they had time travel, I'd go back and tell my younger self "Dude, you look like idiot. Now throw that Frankie Loves Hollywood cassette in the trash and slap the crap out of yourself"
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 12:33:38 pm
If they move the game to Monday, and Justice wants it to be pouring rain during the game because he thinks it will give LRCA an advantage, he will just move the rain to Monday. Because, you know, he's Justice....
Oh, stop it again. I am just kidding. ;D
At 6am NOAA upgraded the status to Moderate for the severe storm chances, up from slight yesterday.
You do realize that in addition to avoiding would be tacklers JH can run around in a thunderstorm and dodge raindrops. He can stay dry in a downpour, according to Dem-Gaz anyway.
PA by 3 scores.
Said on the radio that this game is pushed to Saturday per the AAA.
Quote from: RyanLR on November 29, 2018, 01:40:07 pm
Said on the radio that this game is pushed to Saturday per the AAA.
Pitiful.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 01:42:44 pm
Pitiful.
Yeah, that whole "safety of the kids" excuse is crap. Who cares if someone gets struck by lightnin', this is FOOTBALL!!! ::)
"Warmer air and clouds have arrived in Arkansas as we wait on a strong storm system to arrive tomorrow night. That system will bring a chance for thunderstorms mainly late Friday into the overnight hours early Saturday morning. A few of the storms could be strong or severe with gusty winds being the biggest threat, but hail and isolated tornadoes are also possible. The precipitation should exit early Saturday and the rest of the weekend is looking sunny and mild. Be sure to follow @KATVMelinda, @KATVToddYak, @KATVBarry, and @KATVNed on Twitter" per katv.
Late Friday night. Into the OVERNIGHT. The rain may not even get here into 9 or 10 pm.
Just heard on the radio. Per the AAA rep on the air.
"There is a rumor going around. About moving the game. That is incorrect. The game is on".
the only way it is moved is if the refs at the game decide to postpone it. that's it.
people on here reporting the game has been moved are being deliberately untruthful or spreading unsubstantiated rumors.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 01:53:31 pm
"Warmer air and clouds have arrived in Arkansas as we wait on a strong storm system to arrive tomorrow night. That system will bring a chance for thunderstorms mainly late Friday into the overnight hours early Saturday morning. A few of the storms could be strong or severe with gusty winds being the biggest threat, but hail and isolated tornadoes are also possible. The precipitation should exit early Saturday and the rest of the weekend is looking sunny and mild. Be sure to follow @KATVMelinda, @KATVToddYak, @KATVBarry, and @KATVNed on Twitter" per katv.
Late Friday night. Into the OVERNIGHT. The rain may not even get here into 9 or 10 pm.
Ned has lied to me before, plus he is checking out and could give a rat's patoot about accuracy.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 01:59:46 pm
the only way it is moved is if the refs at the game decide to postpone it. that's it.
people on here reporting the game has been moved are being deliberately untruthful or spreading unsubstantiated rumors.
Correct.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 12:36:06 pm
you will like this.
Per the AAA Handbook, only persons with the authority to postpone a game are the officials on site at the game.
That's what Hooten's says.
This is incorrect. Officials don't have any say until they arrive at the game.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 29, 2018, 02:02:36 pm
Ned has lied to me before, plus he is checking out and could give a rat's patoot about accuracy.
Well. AAA guy on the radio said he is in contact with KTHV. SO take it up with Ed Buckner lol.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 02:15:00 pm
Well. AAA guy on the radio said he is in contact with KTHV. SO take it up with Ed Buckner lol.
I do trust Ed.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 29, 2018, 02:30:27 pm
Please rephrase that statement
(in my best Seinfeld voice)
...not that there's anything wrong with that...
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 29, 2018, 02:30:27 pm
Please rephrase that statement
Naw, married to a pretty good looking woman. I know where I stand lol.
There is one scenario that no one is discussing. No high school game can continue after midnight. Say they get one half in and it either times out or rain delays, the refs would declare the team ahead the winner. A tie would be decided by a coin toss.
The other possibility is the Champion could be decided by judges. In the event weather causes too long a delay each school would pick 5 players. The Championship would be held at Bryant Coliseum (let's see who gets that poor excuse for humor) at the fairgrounds. Each player is awarded points based on answering a question from each judge. The judges will be comprised of Principles from 3 neutral schools. The points awarded for their answers would comprise one third their overall score. The other events are talent and evening gown. The team with the most overall points is declared State Champion.
Quote from: JessieP on November 29, 2018, 03:03:22 pm
There is one scenario that no one is discussing. No high school game can continue after midnight. Say they get one half in and it either times out or rain delays, the refs would declare the team ahead the winner. A tie would be decided by a coin toss.
The other possibility is the Champion could be decided by judges. In the event weather causes too long a delay each school would pick 5 players. The Championship would be held at Bryant Coliseum (let's see who gets that poor excuse for humor) at the fairgrounds. Each player is awarded points based on answering a question from each judge. The judges will be comprised of Principles from 3 neutral schools. The points awarded for their answers would comprise one third their overall score. The other events are talent and evening gown. The team with the most overall points is declared State Champion.
Are you sure about the first paragraph? I believe numerous games this year finished after midnight the week with all of the thunderstorms.
That was my adding to the rumor mongering and such not. It's funny how there has been so many reports on the radio and nothing on any official websites. I'm starting to think maybe some people come here and make things up.
Yeah I don't even know why they would broadcast something like that if it weren't true. It's not like 103.7 The Buzz isn't professional or anything.
Quote from: RyanLR on November 29, 2018, 04:05:50 pm
Yeah I don't even know why they would broadcast something like that if it weren't true. It's not like 103.7 The Buzz isn't professional or anything.
That makes sense. I mean why call the schools or coaches, let them find out on the Buzz. Makes perfect sense.
Quote from: RyanLR on November 29, 2018, 04:05:50 pm
Yeah I don't even know why they would broadcast something like that if it weren't true. It's not like 103.7 The Buzz isn't professional or anything.
Well. I heard it on the buzz too. Per the guy they had on from the AAA. It's game on Friday night.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 04:12:59 pm
Well. I heard it on the buzz too. Per the guy they had on from the AAA. It's game on Friday night.
Then that's not any sort of new reporting. The AAA has not deviated from the initial posting months ago. The 5A State Championship will be played 11/29, 7pm at WMS. The buzz could have reported that in August. It's not like it was breaking news.
Quote from: AirWarren on November 29, 2018, 04:12:59 pm
Well. I heard it on the buzz too. Per the guy they had on from the AAA. It's game on Friday night.
Also the Demozette is misprinted showing the Semifinals playing on Saturday.
I heard the game was moved to start yesterday at 6 pm. Any truth?
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on November 29, 2018, 02:10:31 pm
This is incorrect. Officials don't have any say until they arrive at the game.
I thought that is what I was saying. Officials can't postpone the game until they arrive at the game site. If I didn't state it clearly, my bad. We are in agreement.
I know one way the game does not start at 7:00 or 7:05 (offficial kickoff), if there is a lightning strike within a 10 mile radius of the stadium between 6:35pm and 7:05pm. Of course, I am a little skeptical of the AAA following their own lightning guidelines.
Quote from: Yellowcake on November 29, 2018, 05:49:27 pm
I thought that is what I was saying. Officials can't postpone the game until they arrive at the game site. If I didn't state it clearly, my bad. We are in agreement.
I was understanding you to say that no one could postpone the game except for the game officials. I'm saying that their jurisdiction doesn't start until they arrive at the field, although it may not be until to them until the game starts. So it could be postponed without their say.
Game postponed until Sunday at 2pm. This from AAA announced on the Buzz.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 30, 2018, 08:28:35 am
Game postponed until Sunday at 2pm. This from AAA announced on the Buzz.
Maynard said, I believe it, that settles it! Is that saying applied to the Lord or Maynard? I always get those 2 mixed up.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 30, 2018, 08:28:35 am
Game postponed until Sunday at 2pm. This from AAA announced on the Buzz.
And officially announced on AAA twitter.
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 08:55:17 am
Maynard said, I believe it, that settles it! Is that saying applied to the Lord or Maynard? I always get those 2 mixed up.
And tell your friends you heard it here first on Roller Derby (for those aged enough to remember the reference)
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 30, 2018, 09:01:34 am
And tell your friends you heard it here first on Roller Derby (for those aged enough to remember the reference)
Yes, I'm that old. Every Saturday morning you ate your Captain Crunch while watching wrastlin from "The World Famous Mid South Coliseum in Memphis", then Roller Derby came on. As a very young boy I had of my first impure thoughts about some of the ladies on the LA Thunderbirds.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 30, 2018, 08:28:35 am
Game postponed until Sunday at 2pm. This from AAA announced on the Buzz.
That's a good move. They would've been foolish to try and play tonight.
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 08:55:17 am
Maynard said, I believe it, that settles it! Is that saying applied to the Lord or Maynard? I always get those 2 mixed up.
Just refer to him as Lord Maynard to reduce the confusion.
Rumor is the AAA asked Jerry Jones if he would let the championship game be played at AT&T Stadium and he turned them down because PA had beat Highland Park when his grandson was playing there.
Quote from: Bruin Backer on November 30, 2018, 09:10:59 am
Just refer to him as Lord Maynard to reduce the confusion.
Rumor is the AAA asked Jerry Jones if he would let the championship game be played at AT&T Stadium and he turned them down because PA had beat Highland Park when his grandson was playing there.
Didn't PA, PA them in that game? If memory serves (Usually doesn't) they HP pretty good.
Joanie Weston, Charlie O'Connell and the Bay Area Bombers
I don't think pa is good lrc by 20+
Quote from: humptydumpty49 on November 30, 2018, 12:06:34 pm
I don't think pa is good lrc by 20+
LRC by 20? Did all the Kings horses and all the Kings men check you for a traumatic brain bleed when you tumbled off the wall?
So everyone makes fun of me for reporting what the AAA guy said on the radio about postponements but everybody listens to Krebs huh?
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 08:55:17 am
Maynard said, I believe it, that settles it! Is that saying applied to the Lord or Maynard? I always get those 2 mixed up.
I believe Maynard is batting .500 on this particular thread. :-\
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 29, 2018, 11:32:27 am
The game will be played on Monday night if bad weather dictates.
Quote from: RyanLR on November 30, 2018, 04:23:58 pm
So everyone makes fun of me for reporting what the AAA guy said on the radio about postponements but everybody listens to Krebs huh?
Krebs? If you met the Queen would you address her as Liz? You obviously haven't seen Maynard sitting outside the pork store with his crew, all of them sucking those Cape Fear Cuban cigars wearing Mirano shirts and see through socks.
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 06:15:25 pm
Krebs? If you met the Queen would you address her as Liz? You obviously haven't seen Maynard sitting outside the pork store with his crew, all of them sucking those Cape Fear Cuban cigars wearing Mirano shirts and see through socks.
My pet name for her is Lizzy, plus she is one of the few that really knows what the G stands for.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 30, 2018, 06:21:14 pm
My pet name for her is Lizzy, plus she is one of the few that really knows what the G stands for.
We all know it stands for G-Funk no use hiding it anymore.
Quote from: humptydumpty49 on November 30, 2018, 12:06:34 pm
I don't think pa is good lrc by 20+
Look forward to it. See you Sunday 2PM.
Let's pretend this is the Super Bowl. I guess for 5A fans it is. Let's analyze, over analyze and analyze some more. Who does the 2 day extension benefit? PA, when dealing like an athlete like Hill the PA coaches have 2 more day's to watch film and scheme. I'm sure both teams will have film sessions and walk thru's today and Saturday. LRC has good capable coaches but they aren't PA's coaches. I have a funny feeling they are watching film as we speak.
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 pm
Let's pretend this is the Super Bowl. I guess for 5A fans it is. Let's analyze, over analyze and analyze some more. Who does the 2 day extension benefit? PA, when dealing like an athlete like Hill the PA coaches have 2 more day's to watch film and scheme. I'm sure both teams will have film sessions and walk thru's today and Saturday. LRC has good capable coaches but they aren't PA's coaches. I have a funny feeling they are watching film as we speak.
Walnut Valley doesn't stand a chance. They aren't on the same level as PA they have been waiting on this one group of kids. They think PA is down and PA is not down. PA is going to beat the tar out of them and teach them a lesson that they will never compete with PA in football. Or maybe I am wrong...
Quote from: incogneto on November 30, 2018, 08:38:47 pm
Walnut Valley doesn't stand a chance. They aren't on the same level as PA they have been waiting on this one group of kids. They think PA is down and PA is not down. PA is going to beat the tar out of them and teach them a lesson that they will never compete with PA in football. Or maybe I am wrong...
Get that tongue out of your cheek😀
I hope word got to everyone regarding the change in day and time for the game. I know a lot of caregivers are bringing the blind and the lepers in the hope they can touch the hem of JH's jersey.
Of course lrc can win, a lot of people are pulling for them. Arkansas has a major case of PA fatigue. Dynasties are boring for everyone but the dynasty, PA is a dynasty. Batesville beat them in 2012, Morrilton beat them in 2013. If lrc were to win Sunday they would join a very small fraternity of teams in the 5A who have upset PA, make no mistake it would be an upset. Like I said, a lot of people are pulling for lrc, very few people would put money on them.
Quote from: JessieP on November 30, 2018, 10:01:23 pm
I hope word got to everyone regarding the change in day and time for the game. I know a lot of caregivers are bringing the blind and the lepers in the hope they can touch the hem of JH's jersey.
Of course lrc can win, a lot of people are pulling for them. Arkansas has a major case of PA fatigue. Dynasties are boring for everyone but the dynasty, PA is a dynasty. Batesville beat them in 2012, Morrilton beat them in 2013. If lrc were to win Sunday they would join a very small fraternity of teams in the 5A who have upset PA, make no mistake it would be an upset. Like I said, a lot of people are pulling for lrc, very few people would put money on them.
I am a long time die hard PA fan. But I am worried about this game. Last year PA beat LRM soundly in the regular season and LRM came within a whisker of beating PA in the championship. I fear that history may repeat itself. PA won handily in the regular season. They did so in the absence of Hill. Hill is a difference maker.
I think P.A. is in for a real battle. I think they will pull it out but it will be far from easy.
Quote from: PA Dad on November 30, 2018, 10:37:26 pm
I am a long time die hard PA fan. But I am worried about this game. Last year PA beat LRM soundly in the regular season and LRM came within a whisker of beating PA in the championship. I fear that history may repeat itself. PA won handily in the regular season. They did so in the absence of Hill. Hill is a difference maker.
I think P.A. is in for a real battle. I think they will pull it out but it will be far from easy.
There is no question lrc is a solid team, they have proved that. Without condescending I think you are looking at it wrong. In last years championship LRM forced PA for 3 2/3 quarters to play LRM football. they changed the game to their comfort zone. The difference this year is that lrc's comfort zone is playing PA football. Their comfort zone is PA's comfort zone. The Bruins are far better at playing Bruin football than anyone else. PA has the advantage of knowing Hill is 90% of lrc, they can zone in on him, they are far too top heavy on one player. Outside of Henry I promise you very few people outside on the Central can name a PA player. They're a team, not bit players supporting a Superstar. In a battle between a team, and a very good one at that, and a superstar the teams wins.
I do believe it will be 4 quarter battle but I wouldn't bet against KK and a chance to make history. I still think that early season loss has been a constant motivator reminding of what can happen if you slack off and/or simply don't execute
Will this game be aired on TV? And if so, what channel?
Quote from: ROULETTE on December 02, 2018, 01:24:25 am
Will this game be aired on TV? And if so, what channel?
AETN
Quote from: ROULETTE on December 02, 2018, 01:24:25 am
Will this game be aired on TV? And if so, what channel?
This information is directly from AETN:
HOW TO WATCH
You can watch games live on AETN's main channel. (KETS Ch 2 in Central Arkansas) Check local listings for channel information. https://www.aetn.org/onair/channelinformation
Sunday, Dec. 2
1:30 p.m. pre-game show, 2 p.m. kickoff
5A - Little Rock Christian Academy vs. Pulaski Academy
Saturday, Dec. 1
11:30 a.m. pre-game show, 12 p.m. kickoff
6A - Greenwood vs. Benton
Saturday, Dec. 1
6 p.m. pre-game show, 6:30 p.m. kickoff
7A - North Little Rock vs. Bryant
You can watch the live stream at https://www.nfhsnetwork.com/
You can watch games online starting the following Monday afternoon at:
www.aetn.org/sports
On YouTube: www.aetn.org/sports/youtube
On the PBS app through your mobile or streaming device: https://www.aetn.org/online
You can buy a DVD of the game at http://www.fidelitycommunications.com/local6/index.php.
www.aetn.org/sports is the official webpage for all things AETN Sports. This is where all games will be archived beginning the following Monday afternoon. School hype videos, athlete spotlights and more will be available here.
(Note: That website also has all of last year's Championship Games about halfway down that page.)
Quote from: RyanLR on November 24, 2018, 11:34:24 am
It's an all West Little Rock 5A final, oh and Joe T is in the semis again in 4A. Three teams in a 10 mile radius that are really really good.
Make that Joe T, Christian, and PA all in the Finals.
Nice drive for PA
Score?
14-14 we have a game
20-14 PA at the end of the 1st.
Brayden Bratcher is down and it doesn't look good. LRC takes over inside the PA 15 yard line.
Bratcher was going out of bounds and the back of his head hit a camera guys knee hard.
LRC-21
PA-20
Justice Hill nifty 7 yard keeper
10:50 2nd Quarter
LRC-21
PA-28
Bratcher to White 66 yds
6:04 2nd Quarter
2 pt good
Aaaannnnd here we go.
This is it. It's always back and forth til Kelley says ok enough of that then PA scores and gets ahead, then defense gets the ball back and they quickly score again. That's the end. The opponent never recovers and catches up. Just how it goes. Props to LRC for hanging in there and congrats on making it to the finals and a good season.
PA by 28.
Congrats on winning the 2018 5peat and an early congratulations on beating -insert team here- for the 2019 6peat. Definitely the best dynasty in Arkansas history.
Switching over to some NFL games
LRC-21
PA-31
Clay James 29 yd FG
0:14 2nd Quarter
LRCA play calling was way too conservative that 2nd quarter. Cost them at least one touchdown.
LRC-21
PA-31
Halftime
Quote from: RyanLR on December 02, 2018, 02:52:28 pm
Bratcher was going out of bounds and the back of his head hit a camera guys knee hard.
I figured bratcher would have been out on concussion protocol after that hit to the back of the head, he was definitely dazed after that hit to the noggin, LRC has had there chances, and they didn't capitalize on them, that will bite them in the end, I got a sneaky feeling we will see a bunch of penalties against LRC in the second half. Hill needs to takeover this game for them to have a shot, keep recovering on sides, and take advantage of the turnovers. Great game so far, and I hope JesseP didn't try to steal Maynard's limo at half time, I couldn't make it, my mule got stuck in the ditch, so I have been dealing with that, lol ;D
I was surprised he came back in, and looked out of sorts even
Quote from: Central AR on December 02, 2018, 03:32:25 pm
LRCA play calling was way too conservative that 2nd quarter. Cost them at least one touchdown.
Still way to conservative.
PA 31
LRC 24 3rd quarter
LRC-24
PA-31
Hankins 32 yd FG
3rd Quarter
LRC-31
PA-31
Hill to Hightower 46 yards
5:04 3rd Quarter
PA 31
LRC 31 3rd 2mins left
PA turnover on downs at LRC 9 yd line
LRC-31
PA-31
End of the 3rd and Christian driving
That missed extra point just might cost them.
490-234 is the PA edge in yardage but the Warriors are in it. Hightower with a 43 yard circus catch. Givens 7 yard TD bullish carry.
LRC-37
PA-31
Kick is blocked
11:43 4th Quarter
Quote from: The Future on December 02, 2018, 03:28:31 pm
Aaaannnnd here we go.
This is it. It's always back and forth til Kelley says ok enough of that then PA scores and gets ahead, then defense gets the ball back and they quickly score again. That's the end. The opponent never recovers and catches up. Just how it goes. Props to LRC for hanging in there and congrats on making it to the finals and a good season.
PA by 28.
Congrats on winning the 2018 5peat and an early congratulations on beating -insert team here- for the 2019 6peat. Definitely the best dynasty in Arkansas history.
Switching over to some NFL games
Plz make this your last post on here.
LRCA 45
PA 31
11 minutes remaining
LRCA 45
PA. 31 4th qt 11 mins left PA ball
Very entertaining game to watch!
Pick six!!!! Jack Mabree 21 yards!!!
LRC-45
PA-31
11:28 4th Quarter
2 pt good
PA is all out of sorts right now!
Int for LRCA
Woooow
This is a good game
There's no way PA is winning this game!
Props to Justice Hill for playing both sides of the ball and PA having no answer for him.
Lrca was just better today.
Quote from: Central AR on December 02, 2018, 04:34:40 pm
Plz make this your last post on here.
Oh ok. Only because you said please. ::)
Why? Because I figured PA would turn it up a notch the second half and run away with the game like they have every other game? PA has manhandled great teams who we all figured would stay with them. So I figured this game would be no different.
Sitting right now at 45-31 late in the fourth, it's looking like I was wrong. But never count out a great team like PA
Edit: as I typed this, LRC scores again. So yea its looking like I was wrong. But about PA losing, I don't mind being wrong :D
PA fans are clearing the stands!
LRC-52
PA-31
Hill 5 yard keeper
5:02 4th Quarter
I said PA was going to need 70 to win
Holy smokes, no one seen this coming, is there gonna be some crow ate tonite?
21-0 in the second half
LRC-52
PA-38
Bratcher to White 35 yards
3:38 4th Quarter
Onside kicks incoming
How did it go from 52-31 to 45-38?
Christian recovers but PA has 3 timeouts
Quote from: Made on December 02, 2018, 05:03:53 pm
How did it go from 52-31 to 45-38?
copy/paste in a hurry fixed
Quote from: Made on December 02, 2018, 05:03:53 pm
How did it go from 52-31 to 45-38?
LRCA 52
PA 38
LRCA with the int to seal the win
Who would've thought PA could be held to 7 points in a half?
Congrats to LRCA
Hats off to LRCA kicking crew, and number 9 for recovering almost all the onside kicks, and getting the 7 turnovers helped out a lot, congrats to LRC 5A champs
Congrats LRC
LRC-52
PA-38
Bratcher intercepted
1:53 4th Quarter
Game
LRC-52
PA-38
FINAL
Quote from: Old Scrapper on December 02, 2018, 05:08:36 pm
Who would've thought PA could be held to 7 points in a half?
Guess that's what happens when they don't recover any of their onside kicks.
So you take away onside kicks, and PA becomes very beatable.
Just goes to show just how important onside recoveries can be and how PA is able to beat very good teams. Even the best teams can't score if they don't have the ball.
Congrats to both teams and props to the new 5A champs.
653-394 yards PA advantage but 5 turnovers to only 1 for Christian
Said it a many times last year after the Warren game that LRCA is state title good with Hill at qb. Top 2 football player in the state in my opinion.
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 05:17:17 pm
Said it a many times last year after the Warren game that LRCA is state title good with Hill at qb. Top 2 football player in the state in my opinion.
Too bad he's gonna play shooty hoops
Wow! Congrats to LRC!
Quote from: RyanLR on December 02, 2018, 05:20:01 pm
Too bad he's gonna play shooty hoops
yep. He's an elite athlete for sure. Not sure why he isn't gonna try football but i wish he would.. lol
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 05:17:17 pm
Said it a many times last year after the Warren game that LRCA is state title good with Hill at qb. Top 2 football player in the state in my opinion.
Landers Award winner I'm sure.
Quote from: Central AR on December 02, 2018, 05:22:05 pm
Landers Award winner I'm sure.
yep. It was a 3 man race from the get go.
Congrats to LRC. I expected a 4 QTR battle and they brought it today
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 05:21:22 pm
yep. He's an elite athlete for sure. Not sure why he isn't gonna try football but i wish he would.. lol
For sure he can run the fast break with Mike Anderson
And congrats to PA on a great run; proud of y'all !
Quote from: Overdahill on November 25, 2018, 07:37:36 am
I heard that Warrior Vision will have JessieP doing handstand push-ups on the Salvation Army Bucket every time Hill scores ;D
I didn't see JesseP doing any push-ups, what happened, was he stuck in Maynard's limo.
Congrats to LRCA. You played a great game and deserve the championship. But can we have a rubber match?
Hill was the difference maker. He is a gifted athlete. I wish he would consider football at the U of A.
And P.A. didn't help themselves with all of the turnovers.
I've never seen Kelley call a game like he called this one. Very few deep passes and a lot of runs between the tackles. That's not a criticism- just an observation.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 02, 2018, 05:37:03 pm
Congrats to LRCA. You played a great game and deserve the championship. But can we have a rubber match?
Hill was the difference maker. He is a gifted athlete. I wish he would consider football at the U of A.
And P.A. didn't help themselves with all of the turnovers.
I've never seen Kelley call a game like he called this one. Very few deep passes and a lot of runs between the tackles. That's not a criticism- just an observation.
Having seen literally a 100 PA games, I agree I've never seen play calling like this. It was like he didn't trust the QB (who did have 5 turnovers).
Quote from: JacketFan on December 02, 2018, 05:33:31 pm
I didn't see JesseP doing any push-ups, what happened, was he stuck in Maynard's limo.
I met JesseP at halftime. He would not be comfortable in my limo with my limited space
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 02, 2018, 05:39:53 pm
Having seen literally a 100 PA games, I agree I've never seen play calling like this. It was like he didn't trust the QB (who did have 5 turnovers).
All of those were not on the QB. LRCA players made several plays.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 02, 2018, 05:39:53 pm
Having seen literally a 100 PA games, I agree I've never seen play calling like this. It was like he didn't trust the QB (who did have 5 turnovers).
You guys aren't giving LRCA secondary any credit, Kelley called the deep routes, but they were playing PA receivers tight all night, which put pressure on Bratcher and made him flush and make questionable passes that were ultimately intercepted. Congrats Warriors on executing a perfect game plan against a great team, should be a lot of crow ate on this thread since everyone predicted a blowout by PA, I am eating mine, so Great win to LRCA and congrats to the coaching staff on a masterful game plan.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 02, 2018, 05:41:39 pm
I met JesseP at halftime. He would not be comfortable in my limo with my limited space
Dang Maynard, what are saying about JesseP, lol ;D ;D
Quote from: JacketFan on December 02, 2018, 05:51:56 pm
Dang Maynard, what are saying about JesseP, lol ;D ;D
The dude is 6'6".
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 02, 2018, 05:57:05 pm
The dude is 6'6".
lol, but he talks on here like he is 5' 6" max, lol
JesseP, it was nice to meet you tonight. LRCA played a heck of a game. Their defense deserves a ton of credit for the W today.
Quote from: The Future on December 02, 2018, 03:28:31 pm
Aaaannnnd here we go.
This is it. It's always back and forth til Kelley says ok enough of that then PA scores and gets ahead, then defense gets the ball back and they quickly score again. That's the end. The opponent never recovers and catches up. Just how it goes. Props to LRC for hanging in there and congrats on making it to the finals and a good season.
PA by 28.
Congrats on winning the 2018 5peat and an early congratulations on beating -insert team here- for the 2019 6peat. Definitely the best dynasty in Arkansas history.
Switching over to some NFL games
Would you like that crow medium or well done? ;D
Quote from: JacketFan on December 02, 2018, 05:49:18 pm
You guys aren't giving LRCA secondary any credit, Kelley called the deep routes, but they were playing PA receivers tight all night, which put pressure on Bratcher and made him flush and make questionable passes that were ultimately intercepted. Congrats Warriors on executing a perfect game plan against a great team, should be a lot of crow ate on this thread since everyone predicted a blowout by PA, I am eating mine, so Great win to LRCA and congrats to the coaching staff on a masterful game plan.
The LRCA secondary played a very good game. But Kelley srarted the game with 3 runs up the middle. The first drive had no pass attempt longer than 10 yards. And there were very few plays when PA receivers ran deep routes.
And I did not predict a P.A. blowout. I posted that I was worried about this game primarily because of Hill.
But, none of that matters now. LRCA is the state champion and they earned the title.
Quote from: Central AR on December 02, 2018, 05:22:05 pm
Landers Award winner I'm sure.
Peyton Holt from Greenwood says hi.
Quote from: Yodie1963 on December 02, 2018, 06:15:33 pm
Would you like that crow medium or well done? ;D
I'll take it however you're serving it, my good man!
I don't mind eating crow this time!
Quote from: RD™ on December 02, 2018, 06:31:23 pm
Peyton Holt from Greenwood says hi.
no disrespect to the kid. But that award is going to one of the Hog commits. I think Hill or He ty will get it.
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 06:48:01 pm
no disrespect to the kid. But that award is going to one of the Hog commits. I think Hill or He ty will get it.
He should be a Hog commit. Just in a different sport.
I think Kelly was outcoached tonight.LRC had the perfect game plan on defense and the QB could never get in rhythm.
Quote from: Chief_Osceola™ on December 02, 2018, 07:08:00 pm
He should be a Hog commit. Just in a different sport.
baseball?
^ Yep. And I'm not sure if he was offered or not. If he was, they dropped the ball and waited too long.
Quote from: Chief_Osceola™ on December 02, 2018, 07:17:54 pm
^ Yep. And I'm not sure if he was offered or not. If he was, they dropped the ball and waited too long.
where is he going? What position? Any football offers?
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 07:20:12 pm
where is he going? What position? Any football offers?
He's a middle infielder and swings the bat really well. He's going to UL-Lafayette.
Quote from: Chief_Osceola™ on December 02, 2018, 07:35:44 pm
He's a middle infielder and swings the bat really well. He's going to UL-Lafayette.
awesome! Sounds like a good athlete
Quote from: Rolling on December 02, 2018, 07:09:55 pm
I think Kelly was outcoached tonight.LRC had the perfect game plan on defense and the QB could never get in rhythm.
No he wasn't.
This game was not about coaching. Both teams VERY well coached and executed well.
This game was about playmakers. LRCA had them today. Justice Hill is SEC level talented and played outstanding.
LRCA won the game because they were talented enough defensively that their secondary could take on PA wide outs in single coverage and lock them down. It forced PA to have to force plays. Forced plays led to turnovers and mistakes.
LRCA played like the best team in the 5A today and they took the game. Congrats.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 02, 2018, 05:37:03 pm
Congrats to LRCA. You played a great game and deserve the championship. But can we have a rubber match?
Hill was the difference maker. He is a gifted athlete. I wish he would consider football at the U of A.
And P.A. didn't help themselves with all of the turnovers.
I've never seen Kelley call a game like he called this one. Very few deep passes and a lot of runs between the tackles. That's not a criticism- just an observation.
You didn't see deep passes because they weren't open. They looked deep several times and it was not there and the QB had to scramble. LRCA secondary was stellar all night.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 08:06:27 pm
You didn't see deep passes because they weren't open. They looked deep several times and it was not there and the QB had to scramble. LRCA secondary was stellar all night.
#1 Lawson Howard did an outstanding job on on Henry. He had three catches when he wasn't manned up against Howard.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 08:01:27 pm
No he wasn't.
This game was not about coaching. Both teams VERY well coached and executed well.
This game was about playmakers. LRCA had them today. Justice Hill is SEC level talented and played outstanding.
LRCA won the game because they were talented enough defensively that their secondary could take on PA wide outs in single coverage and lock them down. It forced PA to have to force plays. Forced plays led to turnovers and mistakes.
LRCA played like the best team in the 5A today and they took the game. Congrats.
In my opinion this was about coaching based on the simple fact that LRC put together a better game plan. If you look at the NLR game Benton did the same thing put together a game plan that stoped NLR.
Quote from: Rolling on December 02, 2018, 08:28:52 pm
In my opinion this was about coaching based on the simple fact that LRC put together a better game plan. If you look at the NLR game Benton did the same thing put together a game plan that stoped NLR.
Bryant
Quote from: incogneto on December 02, 2018, 08:28:00 pm
#1 Lawson Howard did an outstanding job on on Henry. He had three catches when he wasn't manned up against Howard.
Yes he did. Henry spent much of the night blocking on the edge but he was covered otherwise.
???
Quote from: Rolling on December 02, 2018, 08:28:52 pm
In my opinion this was about coaching based on the simple fact that LRC put together a better game plan. If you look at the NLR game Benton did the same thing put together a game plan that stoped NLR.
Also those were the same defensive backs that PA put 54 points on earlier in the season..So it had to.be coaching this time around..I'LL WAIT!
Quote from: Rolling on December 02, 2018, 08:37:11 pm
???Also those were the same defensive backs that PA put 54 points on earlier in the season..So it had to.be coaching this time around..I'LL WAIT!
Not all those players played the first time around did they?
Play makers made plays. End of debate.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 08:41:14 pm
Not all those players played the first time around did they?
Play makers made plays. End of debate.
[/quote You right not all the players the played..Hill was the only one...I just think LRC put a better game plan in and the kids excuted it..Ill ride that one out
Quote from: Rolling on December 02, 2018, 08:59:22 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 08:41:14 pm
Not all those players played the first time around did they?
Play makers made plays. End of debate.
You right not all the players the played..Hill was the only one...I just think LRC put a better game plan in and the kids excuted it..Ill ride that one out
And you take Hill of the field today and we are most likely talking a different result.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 09:12:05 pm
You right not all the players the played..Hill was the only one...I just think LRC put a better game plan in and the kids excuted it..Ill ride that one out
And you take Hill of the field today and we are most likely talking a different result.
I watched the game and I didn't see Hill play in the secondary. LRC did a great job defensively against PA. You have to give the LRC coaches some credit here. Kelly is a great coach but he got outcoached tonight IMO. It happens to the best!
Quote from: High Voltage on December 03, 2018, 07:54:53 am
I watched the game and I didn't see Hill play in the secondary. LRC did a great job defensively against PA. You have to give the LRC coaches some credit here. Kelly is a great coach but he got outcoached tonight IMO. It happens to the best!
I think I heard that Little Rock Christian had a couple of linebackers come back recently as well. Combine that with Justice Hill playing this time and you have your recipe for success. Hill looked like a man amongst boys though.
Bryant and LRC coaches had great game plans and pulled off upsets, Benton coaches did not even with better athletes. Rick Jones is the best coach in the state, not even close. Kelley is brash and arrogant, recruits at private school and schemes so much trickery, unconventional calls, etc...Greenwood does it with over a much longer period of time in a small community in the hills with conventional play, not central arkansas where athletes are bountiful. I cannot for the life of me understand why Holt has not been offered by Ark baseball team. He is my Landers MVP and I am definitely not a GW fan.
Not gonna lie I though PA was gonna roll in this one. Hats off to LRC!
Quote from: STUNNA on December 02, 2018, 06:48:01 pm
no disrespect to the kid. But that award is going to one of the Hog commits. I think Hill or He ty will get it.
So, by the evidence of your posts, you literally show that you know nothing about Peyton Holt, yet you dismiss him as the possible Lander's Award Winner?
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 02, 2018, 09:12:05 pm
You right not all the players the played..Hill was the only one...I just think LRC put a better game plan in and the kids excuted it..Ill ride that one out
And you take Hill of the field today and we are most likely talking a different result.
What position does Hill play on defense? I'll wait.........
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 09:55:54 am
So, by the evidence of your posts, you literally show that you know nothing about Peyton Holt, yet you dismiss him as the possible Lander's Award Winner?
nope knew he was the GW qb and a good football player...I'm saying if all kids are equal.. I think it will most likely got to a kid that is committed to the state university. Their are 3 of them nominated. But the best player in this state won't win it this year due to injury. I think it is Henry or Hills trophy this year.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 09:57:58 am
What position does Hill play on defense? I'll wait.........
played DB when needed.
LRC mostly won with great defense and special teams.
-- Punting was outstanding, often inside the 10 yard line.
-- Kick-offs were usually into the endzone.
-- Kick return team got every onside try.
-- Defensive line batted balls into interceptions, while, linebackers and secondary limited big plays. The more plays it takes to move down the field, the better chance something will go wrong. Just analytics.
PA still has plenty about which to be happy, like, beating LRC in 10 of last 12 games?
Congratulations Warriors!
Quote from: STUNNA on December 03, 2018, 10:16:22 am
played DB when needed.
let me ask it in a more simple and direct way......"What position did Justice Hill play, on defense, in this past Sunday's 5A State Championship Game?" I'll wait.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 11:29:03 am
let me ask it in a more simple and direct way......"What position did Justice Hill play, on defense, in this past Sunday's 5A State Championship Game?" I'll wait.
He played DB and got at least one tackle in the second half. I'll go through the recording tonight and give you a time to help you out.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 11:29:03 am
let me ask it in a more simple and direct way......"What position did Justice Hill play, on defense, in this past Sunday's 5A State Championship Game?" I'll wait.
I don't know, but I saw him in the secondary on at least one play.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 03, 2018, 11:33:40 am
I don't know, but I saw him in the secondary on at least one play.
https://www.arkansasonline.com/galleries/25456/album/#images-15 (https://www.arkansasonline.com/galleries/25456/album/#images-15)
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 11:29:03 am
let me ask it in a more simple and direct way......"What position did Justice Hill play, on defense, in this past Sunday's 5A State Championship Game?" I'll wait.
LRCA had a special package on defense. In certain situations he was out there. I would guess maybe 10 plays or so.
Quote from: RazorDad on December 03, 2018, 11:33:25 am
He played DB and got at least one tackle in the second half. I'll go through the recording tonight and give you a time to help you out.
My point to all of this is in response to Eddie Goodson saying that if Hill hadn't been on the field, the results would have been different. Hill was on defense, what, maybe 1 or 2 plays? Not enough to make a monumental difference. Hill didn't stop PA, the LRC Defense played lights out. Eddie Goodson just needs to admit that PA got beat by a better TEAM! Not beat by Justice Hill. End of rant.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 03:01:49 pm
My point to all of this is in response to Eddie Goodson saying that if Hill hadn't been on the field, the results would have been different. Hill was on defense, what, maybe 1 or 2 plays? Not enough to make a monumental difference. Hill didn't stop PA, the LRC Defense played lights out. Eddie Goodson just needs to admit that PA got beat by a better TEAM! Not beat by Justice Hill. End of rant.
PA had nearly 700 yards of offense but 5 turnovers. I'm not sure if the LRCA defense played "lights out" but it played good enough to win which is all that matters.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 03, 2018, 03:11:03 pm
PA had nearly 700 yards of offense but 5 turnovers. I'm not sure if the LRCA defense played "lights out" but it played good enough to win which is all that matters.
When was the last time the scoreboard reflected the amount of yards a team had? 5 turnovers and a win to me is "lights out". Against PA!
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 03, 2018, 03:11:03 pm
PA had nearly 700 yards of offense but 5 turnovers. I'm not sure if the LRCA defense played "lights out" but it played good enough to win which is all that matters.
The reason PA had more yards is because the LRCA kickers pinned them deep in their own territory. Most PA drives had to be 80+ yards to score. LRCA started most of their drives near the 50.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 09:25:57 am
Bryant and LRC coaches had great game plans and pulled off upsets, Benton coaches did not even with better athletes. Rick Jones is the best coach in the state, not even close. Kelley is brash and arrogant, recruits at private school and schemes so much trickery, unconventional calls, etc...Greenwood does it with over a much longer period of time in a small community in the hills with conventional play, not central arkansas where athletes are bountiful. I cannot for the life of me understand why Holt has not been offered by Ark baseball team. He is my Landers MVP and I am definitely not a GW fan.
When you are blowing people out, on sides kicks, going for it on 4th and long from your own 14, etc. will work. When you are in a dog fight, giving the other team a short field doesn't make one look so bright. Just ask Kirby Smart.
Hey, Kevin Kelly is a great coach and I wouldn't want him ticked because the next time you meet might not be so good, with that said he did get outcoached on Sunday. The score reflects that. LRC had a great game plan and worked it to perfection. Kelly's defense had no plan for Hill.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 09:25:57 am
Bryant and LRC coaches had great game plans and pulled off upsets, Benton coaches did not even with better athletes. Rick Jones is the best coach in the state, not even close. Kelley is brash and arrogant, recruits at private school and schemes so much trickery, unconventional calls, etc...Greenwood does it with over a much longer period of time in a small community in the hills with conventional play, not central arkansas where athletes are bountiful. I cannot for the life of me understand why Holt has not been offered by Ark baseball team. He is my Landers MVP and I am definitely not a GW fan.
You are full of crap. You don't even know that man well enough to know if he is arrogant. You certainly can't prove he recruits. Everything I know of the man is exactly opposite of what you say.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 03, 2018, 03:01:49 pm
My point to all of this is in response to Eddie Goodson saying that if Hill hadn't been on the field, the results would have been different. Hill was on defense, what, maybe 1 or 2 plays? Not enough to make a monumental difference. Hill didn't stop PA, the LRC Defense played lights out. Eddie Goodson just needs to admit that PA got beat by a better TEAM! Not beat by Justice Hill. End of rant.
What in the Sam Hill are you talking about? All I have done is say that LRCA was the better team.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 09:25:57 am
Bryant and LRC coaches had great game plans and pulled off upsets, Benton coaches did not even with better athletes. Rick Jones is the best coach in the state, not even close. Kelley is brash and arrogant, recruits at private school and schemes so much trickery, unconventional calls, etc...Greenwood does it with over a much longer period of time in a small community in the hills with conventional play, not central arkansas where athletes are bountiful. I cannot for the life of me understand why Holt has not been offered by Ark baseball team. He is my Landers MVP and I am definitely not a GW fan.
Posts like this is why FF needs to consider an IQ test upon registration.
Quote from: Central AR on December 03, 2018, 04:04:41 pm
Posts like this is why FF needs to consider an IQ test upon registration.
Didn't he make a public apology 2 years ago after beating McClellan in state finals for brash and arrogant comments? I'll look through archives to find specific details, it was posted on social media. Truth hurts sometimes ya'll, but know he is otherwise a great guy but everybody has flaws. As far as recruiting, it happens even though the general public doesn't always see it. This is the AAA private school rule implemented a few years back, private schools must play in 1 classification above their enrollment because of recruiting. Who needs the IQ test now? Those darn facts get in way of hurt feelings every time.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 04:15:18 pm
Didn't he make a public apology 2 years ago after beating McClellan in state finals for brash and arrogant comments? I'll look through archives to find specific details, it was posted on social media. Truth hurts sometimes ya'll, but know he is otherwise a great guy but everybody has flaws. As far as recruiting, it happens even though the general public doesn't always see it. This is the AAA private school rule implemented a few years back, private schools must play in 1 classification above their enrollment because of recruiting. Who needs the IQ test now? Those darn facts get in way of hurt feelings every time.
You need to post that AAA rule. Privates don't play up because they are allowed to recruit. They play up because of other advantages.
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Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 04:15:18 pm
Didn't he make a public apology 2 years ago after beating McClellan in state finals for brash and arrogant comments? I'll look through archives to find specific details, it was posted on social media. Truth hurts sometimes ya'll, but know he is otherwise a great guy but everybody has flaws. As far as recruiting, it happens even though the general public doesn't always see it. This is the AAA private school rule implemented a few years back, private schools must play in 1 classification above their enrollment because of recruiting. Who needs the IQ test now? Those darn facts get in way of hurt feelings every time.
"Kelley is brash and arrogant" - your exact words
I think he said some arrogant comments in the past but not 100% positive... (paraphrasing you)
Make up your mind 😂 Also, one comment you're unsure about and it makes someone arrogant? Let me guess, you've never said anything arrogant before?
Season is over, guys. Time to hit the weight room.
Quote from: Central AR on December 03, 2018, 04:23:04 pm
"Kelley is brash and arrogant" - your exact words
I think he said some arrogant comments in the past but not 100% positive... (paraphrasing you)
Make up your mind 😂 Also, one comment you're unsure about and it makes someone arrogant? Let me guess, you've never said anything arrogant before?
Here is the article, and yes I've made brash and arrogant comments before. He is a winner and built a great program. Tell him to wear pants too when it is freezing during state final games, that seems brash to me as well.
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/dec/10/pulaski-academy-coach-apologizes-final-td/?page=2
A brash and arrogant man doesn't stay on the field well after the game is over and losing the state title game congratulating LRCA coach and players for their win. PA players joining in as well. I have had my gut full of people who haven't spent 30 seconds with the man throwing out garbage accusations and judgments of his character when they probably wouldn't know him if they met him on the street. This is one of the things I despise about message board anonymity.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 04:17:08 pm
You need to post that AAA rule. Privates don't play up because they are allowed to recruit. They play up because of other advantages.
I don't know PA Dad, sounds like a pretty legit rule to me.
Quote from: MDXPHD on December 03, 2018, 04:31:09 pm
I don't know PA Dad, sounds like a pretty legit rule to me.
I figured that would get a rise out of you.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 04:15:18 pm
Didn't he make a public apology 2 years ago after beating McClellan in state finals for brash and arrogant comments? I'll look through archives to find specific details, it was posted on social media. Truth hurts sometimes ya'll, but know he is otherwise a great guy but everybody has flaws. As far as recruiting, it happens even though the general public doesn't always see it. This is the AAA private school rule implemented a few years back, private schools must play in 1 classification above their enrollment because of recruiting. Who needs the IQ test now? Those darn facts get in way of hurt feelings every time.
You need the IQ test because you have no clue about those "darn facts" you cite.
Firstly, private school classification is based on a multiplier, currently 1.35. At one time it was either 1.75 or proposed at 1.75. A 1.75 multiplier could force a 2A school to play at the 4A level.
Secondly, it is almost impossible to "recruit" to a private school. If a student enrolls at Catholic High as a freshman and did not attend Catholic schools in elementary, or at least junior high, that student must sign a document stating he is not attending Catholic High solely to participate in sports. I know this for a fact because my son graduated from Catholic and played baseball but did not attend a Catholic junior high school. He attended another private school through junior high. I
n addition to that, any student who transfers to a private school from a public school is ineligible to participate in athletics for one year. Conversely, a student who transfers to a public school from a private school, or from public to public, is immediately eligible at the new school.There is much more recruiting going on in the public schools than at the private schools. Three or four years ago Catholic lost a very good football player to a public school after the kid's junior year and I'm not sure he even lived in the district/attendance zone where he ended up. Look what's going on at Springdale right now. Kids leaving Har-Bar to attend SHS and apparently don't live in the SHS district.
Parkview has outstanding basketball every year. Parkview is a magnet school. Seems all the best basketball players in LR somehow end up there year after year. Wanna talk about recruiting? Ask a former "legend" coach about that. Cost him his job there.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 04:30:44 pm
A brash and arrogant man doesn't stay on the field well after the game is over and losing the state title game congratulating LRCA coach and players for their win. PA players joining in as well. I have had my gut full of people who haven't spent 30 seconds with the man throwing out garbage accusations and judgments of his character when they probably wouldn't know him if they met him on the street. This is one of the things I despise about message board anonymity.
Unless it was cold and he had on his traditional outfit!
Anonymity isn't great - but it is important for some people on message boards. We appreciate you guys letting us bicker back and forth on here!
I've never met KK, but I'm sure he's a nice guy like you say. I think people who don't know him watch his style, read his tweets, etc and form an opinion rather quickly. It's pretty routine in the current climate to do that - so it shouldn't be a surprise. Sometimes confidence can come off as arrogance as well. It's nothing to get worked up about - when you're in the spotlight more than the average person then you will have critics and praisers.
Quote from: Fan1958 on December 03, 2018, 04:44:13 pm
You need the IQ test because you have no clue about those "darn facts" you cite.
Firstly, private school classification is based on a multiplier, currently 1.35. At one time it was either 1.75 or proposed at 1.75. A 1.75 multiplier could force a 2A school to play at the 4A level.
Secondly, it is almost impossible to "recruit" to a private school. If a student enrolls at Catholic High as a freshman and did not attend Catholic schools in elementary, or at least junior high, that student must sign a document stating he is not attending Catholic High solely to participate in sports. I know this for a fact because my son graduated from Catholic and played baseball but did not attend a Catholic junior high school. He attended another private school through junior high. In addition to that, any student who transfers to a private school from a public school is ineligible to participate in athletics for one year. Conversely, a student who transfers to a public school from a private school, or from public to public, is immediately eligible at the new school.
There is much more recruiting going on in the public schools than at the private schools. Three or four years ago Catholic lost a very good football player to a public school after the kid's junior year and I'm not sure he even lived in the district/attendance zone where he ended up. Look what's going on at Springdale right now. Kids leaving Har-Bar to attend SHS and apparently don't live in the SHS district.
Parkview has outstanding basketball every year. Parkview is a magnet school. Seems all the best basketball players in LR somehow end up there year after year. Wanna talk about recruiting? Ask a former "legend" coach about that. Cost him his job there.
Much is simply just incorrect in this post. But I'm too lazy right now to correct all of it.
Quote from: Fan1958 on December 03, 2018, 04:44:13 pm
You need the IQ test because you have no clue about those "darn facts" you cite.
Firstly, private school classification is based on a multiplier, currently 1.35. At one time it was either 1.75 or proposed at 1.75. A 1.75 multiplier could force a 2A school to play at the 4A level.
Secondly, it is almost impossible to "recruit" to a private school. If a student enrolls at Catholic High as a freshman and did not attend Catholic schools in elementary, or at least junior high, that student must sign a document stating he is not attending Catholic High solely to participate in sports. I know this for a fact because my son graduated from Catholic and played baseball but did not attend a Catholic junior high school. He attended another private school through junior high. In addition to that, any student who transfers to a private school from a public school is ineligible to participate in athletics for one year. Conversely, a student who transfers to a public school from a private school, or from public to public, is immediately eligible at the new school.
There is much more recruiting going on in the public schools than at the private schools. Three or four years ago Catholic lost a very good football player to a public school after the kid's junior year and I'm not sure he even lived in the district/attendance zone where he ended up. Look what's going on at Springdale right now. Kids leaving Har-Bar to attend SHS and apparently don't live in the SHS district.
Parkview has outstanding basketball every year. Parkview is a magnet school. Seems all the best basketball players in LR somehow end up there year after year. Wanna talk about recruiting? Ask a former "legend" coach about that. Cost him his job there.
Scholarship or tuition discounts are given to some 'special athletes' for playing at private schools. I was told this from a private school dad, so let's not pretend it doesn't happen.
Maybe, maybe not. That was not the issue in the original post. You stated the private schools play up a classification because of recruiting. That statement is incorrect and I provided you with "those darn facts" and that is the best you got?
Refute what I posted because those are the "darn facts." Giving discounts to "special athletes" is hearsay. You said so yourself. And BTW, Catholic High gives scholarships to lots of kids who wouldn't know a football from a basketball, as do many of the other private schools. Go to their sites and ready about tuition assistance and scholarship money.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 04:50:40 pm
Scholarship or tuition discounts are given to some 'special athletes' for playing at private schools. I was told this from a private school dad, so let's not pretend it doesn't happen.
Was it PA Dad?
Quote from: MDXPHD on December 03, 2018, 04:50:10 pm
Much is simply just incorrect in this post. But I'm too lazy right now to correct all of it.
The cliff notes version of the rule is that the AAA assumes ALL transfers are for athletic purposes. Therefore, any transfer to a private school AFTER July 1 of the student going to the SEVENTH grade, the student must sit out a year unless the FAMILY makes a bonafide move to within a certain distance from the school. A student transferring from one PUBLIC school to another must do so by July 1 going into the TENTH grade must sit out a year unless the FAMILY makes a bonafide move inside the boundaries of the new school district.
Almost all those kids on the field for PA have been there since elementary school. If you want to accuse the man of recruiting, you're actually saying he is the greatest judge of football talent of 6 to 10 year old kids in Arkansas because those are the ages those kids are enrolling in school.
If a family wants to transfer their child and sit them a year, it is their option and none of us should say anything about it. It is their option.
Quote from: Fan1958 on December 03, 2018, 04:59:58 pm
Maybe, maybe not. That was not the issue in the original post. You stated the private schools play up a classification because of recruiting. That statement is incorrect and I provided you with "those darn facts" and that is the best you got?
Refute what I posted because those are the "darn facts." Giving discounts to "special athletes" is hearsay. You said so yourself. And BTW, Catholic High gives scholarships to lots of kids who wouldn't know a football from a basketball, as do many of the other private schools. Go to their sites and ready about tuition assistance and scholarship money.
Your facts were wrong though - which is unfortunate.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 03:53:49 pm
You are full of crap. You don't even know that man well enough to know if he is arrogant. You certainly can't prove he recruits. Everything I know of the man is exactly opposite of what you say.
That's what they call a Freudian Slip! "You can't prove" is light years away from "He does not". Bruce Cutler stood on the steps of the United States Federal Court in lower Manhattan in 1987 and boastfully proclaimed "John Gotti is not involved in organized crime, the Government certainly can't prove he is". When told about Cutler's boast Federal Prosecutor Rudy Guliani (Yes, that Rudy Guliani) replied with an emphatic "Yet". I think it's unfair to single out Kelley. I find him to be a decent family man, a great educator and a brilliant football mind. I give his team all the respect in the world, I even consider them the best team in the 5A, in spite of yesterday's outcome but come on, all private schools recruit in some form in some sport. It goes on in every state in the country in every sport. To think it's exclusive to PA is laughable, to deny it goes on is even more laughable.
Quote from: MDXPHD on December 03, 2018, 04:50:10 pm
Much is simply just incorrect in this post. But I'm too lazy right now to correct all of it.
Well correct part of it. The post is factually correct.
Quote from: Red Devil Alum on December 03, 2018, 05:03:37 pm
Was it PA Dad?
Would not be surprised. I bet he's known to spread those rumors like wildfire. He loves a good, unsubstantiated rumor going around.
Quote from: Wildcat Football on December 03, 2018, 04:50:40 pm
Scholarship or tuition discounts are given to some 'special athletes' for playing at private schools. I was told this from a private school dad, so let's not pretend it doesn't happen.
Not they are not. Stop getting your info second hand and learn how financial aid works for yourself. It is against AAA rules to give scholarships to athletes.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 05:06:27 pm
That's what they call a Freudian Slip! "You can't prove" is light years away from "He does not". Bruce Cutler stood on the steps of the United States Federal Court in lower Manhattan in 1987 and boastfully proclaimed "John Gotti is not involved in organized crime, the Government certainly can't prove he is". When told about Cutler's boast Federal Prosecutor Rudy Guliani (Yes, that Rudy Guliani) replied with an emphatic "Yet". I think it's unfair to single out Kelley. I find him to be a decent family man, a great educator and a brilliant football mind. I give his team all the respect in the world, I even consider them the best team in the 5A, in spite of yesterday's outcome but come on, all private schools recruit in some form in some sport. It goes on in every state in the country in every sport. To think it's exclusive to PA is laughable, to deny it goes on is even more laughable.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 05:05:44 pm
The cliff notes version of the rule is that the AAA assumes ALL transfers are for athletic purposes. Therefore, any transfer to a private school AFTER July 1 of the student going to the SEVENTH grade, the student must sit out a year unless the FAMILY makes a bonafide move to within a certain distance from the school. A student transferring from one PUBLIC school to another must do so by July 1 going into the TENTH grade must sit out a year unless the FAMILY makes a bonafide move inside the boundaries of the new school district.
Almost all those kids on the field for PA have been there since elementary school. If you want to accuse the man of recruiting, you're actually saying he is the greatest judge of football talent of 6 to 10 year old kids in Arkansas because those are the ages those kids are enrolling in school.
If a family wants to transfer their child and sit them a year, it is their option and none of us should say anything about it. It is their option.
Quote from: Fan1958 on December 03, 2018, 05:06:46 pm
Well correct part of it. The post is factually correct.
I will tomorrow. But for a brief version, the multiplier is wrong, kids don't always have to sit out when they transfer, bona fide moves apply and private schools have a 25 mile radius, public to public school transfers aren't always immediately eligible, etc.
Quote from: MDXPHD on December 03, 2018, 05:11:48 pm
I will tomorrow. But for a brief version, the multiplier is wrong, kids don't always have to sit out when they transfer, bona fide moves apply and private schools have a 25 mile radius, public to public school transfers aren't always immediately eligible, etc.
This is true.
Quote from: Fan1958 on December 03, 2018, 04:59:58 pm
Maybe, maybe not. That was not the issue in the original post. You stated the private schools play up a classification because of recruiting. That statement is incorrect and I provided you with "those darn facts" and that is the best you got?
Refute what I posted because those are the "darn facts." Giving discounts to "special athletes" is hearsay. You said so yourself. And BTW, Catholic High gives scholarships to lots of kids who wouldn't know a football from a basketball, as do many of the other private schools. Go to their sites and ready about tuition assistance and scholarship money.
The spirit of the rule is to address recruiting, everyone knows that even though it's not spelled out in black and white. Look, I'm not gonna bash Kelly...it's not a cool thing to do behind a monitor. The man is HIGHLY successful and has contributed to Ark HS football on a national scale just like Gus Malzahn. PA should be proud of their program and agree parents and support make it a special place. I'm just jealous and that's really my fault, not Coach K's. And, he is confident but sometimes the general public sees that as arrogance. I will withdraw that claim, because you are right I don't know his mind, heart, or soul.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 05:07:46 pm
Not they are not. Stop getting your info second hand and learn how financial aid works for yourself. It is against AAA rules to give scholarships to athletes.
Yeah, the way around that is they just call it academic, but it doesn't hurt that the guy receiving the scholly is 6' 5" 310lb linemen that is smart, they recruit bottom line, like JesseP said, every private school in the country does it, they skirt the rules, and do a good job at it, but so does every other school , so at the end of the day, it gives us all something to talk about.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 05:09:57 pm
I keep hearing things like 90%", "Almost all" or "The overwhelming majority" of these kids have been there since 6th grade. Let's go with 90%, that means 10% have not, 10% of 81 players is 8. Forget 8, I'll cut that in half. Adding 4 great players to a team of well coached, hard working kids can turn it from a good to great team. No one has ever claimed they recruited the entire roster. 2 or 3 kids every few years will do just fine. Heck, the difference yesterday was 1 kid.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 05:23:59 pm
I keep hearing things like 90%", "Almost all" or "The overwhelming majority" of these kids have been there since 6th grade. Let's go with 90%, that means 10% have not, 10% of 81 players is 8. Forget 8, I'll cut that in half. Adding 4 great players to a team of well coached, hard working kids can turn it from a good to great team. No one has ever claimed they recruited the entire roster. 2 or 3 kids every few years will do just fine. Heck, the difference yesterday was 1 kid.
If they did everything according to the rules, there is nothing to be said. The bar is incredibly higher for private schools.
Transfers for sports in Arkansas is dominated by moves from one public to school to another public school and it ain't even close.
And the percentages are higher than 90%.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on December 03, 2018, 05:29:40 pm
If they did everything according to the rules, there is nothing to be said. The bar is incredibly higher for private schools.
Transfers for sports in Arkansas is dominated by moves from one public to school to another public school and it ain't even close.
And the percentages are higher than 90%.
Wow, you are just sure about your convictions. Oh well, you're an administrator and I'm not so I guess I'm wrong. I find it fascinating that States like Florida, Texas, California, New York, Ohio, Arizona and Utah all acknowledge that recruiting/financial aid goes on and it's unfair. They set the rules so that the playing field levels, the competition benefits as well. But here in our State private schools recruiting athletes does not happen, that's truly impressive. What are our governing bodies doing so right that they have managed to eliminate something that goes on EVERYWHERE else, but here of course? Yea us.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 05:23:59 pm
I keep hearing things like 90%", "Almost all" or "The overwhelming majority" of these kids have been there since 6th grade. Let's go with 90%, that means 10% have not, 10% of 81 players is 8. Forget 8, I'll cut that in half. Adding 4 great players to a team of well coached, hard working kids can turn it from a good to great team. No one has ever claimed they recruited the entire roster. 2 or 3 kids every few years will do just fine. Heck, the difference yesterday was 1 kid.
Could it be that recruiting begins in youth leagues? How hard would it be to have somebody scout the leagues around Little Rock and lure the best players to your school and your own youth league? Just because they've been there since 6th grade doesn't mean they weren't recruited in 6th grade.
Quote from: IMSwarmed on December 03, 2018, 05:56:30 pm
Could it be that recruiting begins in youth leagues? How hard would it be to have somebody scout the leagues around Little Rock and lure the best players to your school and your own youth league? Just because they've been there since 6th grade doesn't mean they weren't recruited in 6th grade.
Pulaski heights bucs is the farm team of Little Rock successful football teams.
Even coach hill said, "if I'm a school, I'm doing everything to get this kid on my team" when speaking of a kid who played for that bucs team.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 03, 2018, 06:02:17 pm
Pulaski heights bucs is the farm team of Little Rock successful football teams.
Even coach hill said, "if I'm a school, I'm doing everything to get this kid on my team" when speaking of a kid who played for that bucs team.
PA has the Mighty Bluebird field where I'm pretty sure they learn the system from an early age.
Quote from: IMSwarmed on December 03, 2018, 06:14:05 pm
PA has the Mighty Bluebird field where I'm pretty sure they learn the system from an early age.
Correct.
My daughter used to cheer for the pee wee league out of maumelle. I always saw some "questionable" "lingerers" from certain programs in the CAFL who would stay and chat with the studs of local teams.
Lol. Always thought it was funny.
It's unreal that we still have people pushing "The tooth Fairy left it" narrative. It is grossly unfair to pin this on PA, they are far from the only purveyors of it but it's downright insulting to dismiss it out of hand. It happens and everyone knows it happens. I get a kick out of some posters who say "Name the coach" or "Name one player", what a cowardly slippery response. They know full well that to do so would get the post deleted and the poster banned. It would be like if a poster said they had a credit card and the opposing poster said "Prove it you liar, prove it. Give us the name on the card, card number, security code and expiration date. I dare you, prove it". It happens, everyone knows it happens, there is growing anger across the state and nothing is being done about it. Why is Arkansas so hesitant to deal with it? The answer is quite simple, if you give financial aid to athletes you play in the highest classification! Done, Debate over. If they still win then the public school boosters can't say a thing about it. It has nothing to do with fairness, someone likes things the way they are.
Quote from: JacketFan on December 03, 2018, 05:23:25 pm
Yeah, the way around that is they just call it academic, but it doesn't hurt that the guy receiving the scholly is 6' 5" 310lb linemen that is smart, they recruit bottom line, like JesseP said, every private school in the country does it, they skirt the rules, and do a good job at it, but so does every other school , so at the end of the day, it gives us all something to talk about.
Not a PA fan but I certainly didn't see any 6' 5" 310lb linemen yesterday. I saw an abundance of 5' 9" 175lb kids though.
Quote from: 72113 on December 03, 2018, 07:48:38 pm
Not a PA fan but I certainly didn't see any 6' 5" 310lb linemen yesterday. I saw an abundance of 5' 9" 175lb kids though.
No. Those were on Bryant.
But in all seriousness. LRCA had some big ole boys.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 03, 2018, 07:50:34 pm
No. Those were on Bryant.
But in all seriousness. LRCA had some big ole boys.
They sure did. I was surprised at their size in the trenches.
Quote from: 72113 on December 03, 2018, 07:48:38 pm
Not a PA fan but I certainly didn't see any 6' 5" 310lb linemen yesterday. I saw an abundance of 5' 9" 175lb kids though.
You are correct, they lost all of those to graduation the last few years
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 06:35:34 pm
It's unreal that we still have people pushing "The tooth Fairy left it" narrative. It is grossly unfair to pin this on PA, they are far from the only purveyors of it but it's downright insulting to dismiss it out of hand. It happens and everyone knows it happens. I get a kick out of some posters who say "Name the coach" or "Name one player", what a cowardly slippery response. They know full well that to do so would get the post deleted and the poster banned. It would be like if a poster said they had a credit card and the opposing poster said "Prove it you liar, prove it. Give us the name on the card, card number, security code and expiration date. I dare you, prove it". It happens, everyone knows it happens, there is growing anger across the state and nothing is being done about it. Why is Arkansas so hesitant to deal with it? The answer is quite simple, if you give financial aid to athletes you play in the highest classification! Done, Debate over. If they still win then the public school boosters can't say a thing about it. It has nothing to do with fairness, someone likes things the way they are.
I've been at and around P.A. for many years. I'm not aware of a single player being recruited.
I hate cheaters. If any poster has evidence that P.A. has recruited a player bring it to me (you don't have to post it) and I'll personally report it to AAA. I'll post the time and date that I do so. You can come watch me do it.
Evidence means first hand knowledge. If your brother told you that a friend told him that P.A. recruits don't bother me. But if you have a parent who says he was recruited to get his son to P.A. to play football get the information to me.
Financial assistance is a different matter. I think you're blowing it out of proportion. Every student at public schools gets financial assistance- in fact, they get a full scholarship. If P.A. had a large enough endowment to allow every student to attend free would you still have a problem? If so, why?
Now, JessieP, is this a cowardly or slippery response?
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 06:35:34 pm
It's unreal that we still have people pushing "The tooth Fairy left it" narrative. It is grossly unfair to pin this on PA, they are far from the only purveyors of it but it's downright insulting to dismiss it out of hand. It happens and everyone knows it happens. I get a kick out of some posters who say "Name the coach" or "Name one player", what a cowardly slippery response. They know full well that to do so would get the post deleted and the poster banned. It would be like if a poster said they had a credit card and the opposing poster said "Prove it you liar, prove it. Give us the name on the card, card number, security code and expiration date. I dare you, prove it". It happens, everyone knows it happens, there is growing anger across the state and nothing is being done about it. Why is Arkansas so hesitant to deal with it? The answer is quite simple, if you give financial aid to athletes you play in the highest classification! Done, Debate over. If they still win then the public school boosters can't say a thing about it. It has nothing to do with fairness, someone likes things the way they are.
The key is in bold, they like it the way it is because all of the loopholes are being exploited by everyone, so the powers to be are in place to keep it going.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 05:23:59 pm
I keep hearing things like 90%", "Almost all" or "The overwhelming majority" of these kids have been there since 6th grade. Let's go with 90%, that means 10% have not, 10% of 81 players is 8. Forget 8, I'll cut that in half. Adding 4 great players to a team of well coached, hard working kids can turn it from a good to great team. No one has ever claimed they recruited the entire roster. 2 or 3 kids every few years will do just fine. Heck, the difference yesterday was 1 kid.
There are so many logical failings with this argument it's hard to know where to start.
The fact that a kid transfers to P.A. in high school doesn't prove recruiting or wrongdoing. All of the kids who have done so that I can remember came when their parents moved here from out of state.
Second, your argument assumes that the kid who transfers in in high school is a star player. In fact, you assume all of them are. I challenge anyone to name one kid who transferred in in high school who was a star. I can remember one player who fit that category who was a good player and was a starter, but his dad was an Air Force officer who was transferred to LRAFB. Is that cheating?
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 08:03:54 pm
I've been at and around P.A. for many years. I'm not aware of a single player being recruited.
I hate cheaters. If any poster has evidence that P.A. has recruited a player bring it to me (you don't have to post it) and I'll personally report it to AAA. I'll post the time and date that I do so. You can come watch me do it.
Evidence means first hand knowledge. If your brother told you that a friend told him that P.A. recruits don't bother me. But if you have a parent who says he was recruited to get his son to P.A. to play football get the information to me.
Financial assistance is a different matter. I think you're blowing it out of proportion. Every student at public schools gets financial assistance- in fact, they get a full scholarship. If P.A. had a large enough endowment to allow every student to attend free would you still have a problem? If so, why?
Again, I have stopped using PA as an icon when referring to private schools. I have come to appreciate what they have accomplished. PA in and of itself is not the problem, they simply wear the uniform of a much bigger problem. It is not exclusive to Arkansas or even football. It's a hot button topic across the country. Arkansas for whatever reason refuses to deal with it. No one is saying punish anyone, all people are saying is move them up. They are taking the field against public schools with a significant disadvantage. Why not rectify it?
I agree spot on!!
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 05:06:27 pm
That's what they call a Freudian Slip! "You can't prove" is light years away from "He does not". Bruce Cutler stood on the steps of the United States Federal Court in lower Manhattan in 1987 and boastfully proclaimed "John Gotti is not involved in organized crime, the Government certainly can't prove he is". When told about Cutler's boast Federal Prosecutor Rudy Guliani (Yes, that Rudy Guliani) replied with an emphatic "Yet". I think it's unfair to single out Kelley. I find him to be a decent family man, a great educator and a brilliant football mind. I give his team all the respect in the world, I even consider them the best team in the 5A, in spite of yesterday's outcome but come on, all private schools recruit in some form in some sport. It goes on in every state in the country in every sport. To think it's exclusive to PA is laughable, to deny it goes on is even more laughable.
Why would any fair person make an accusation without evidence? You're making the accusation. If you have proof bring it to me and I'll report it.
You can speculate but speculation is the medium of the uninformed.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 08:20:14 pm
Again, I have stopped using PA as an icon when referring to private schools. I have come to appreciate what they have accomplished. PA in and of itself is not the problem, they simply wear the uniform of a much bigger problem. It is not exclusive to Arkansas or even football. It's a hot button topic across the country. Arkansas for whatever reason refuses to deal with it. No one is saying punish anyone, all people are saying is move them up. They are taking the field against public schools with a significant disadvantage. Why not rectify it?
I agree that privates have advantages. I agree that P.A. should move up. My complaint is that you claim that one of the advantages is recruiting. With regard to PA, you're wrong.
It's called playing the system and gaining whatever advantage you can. There are ways of getting around things, and you're not going to advertise it. You're not going to send coaches or employees out to do things that are suspect, but who can complain if school patrons do it? I think people in general see through that fog.
Quote from: IMSwarmed on December 03, 2018, 08:56:59 pm
It's called playing the system and gaining whatever advantage you can. There are ways of getting around things, and you're not going to advertise it. You're not going to send coaches or employees out to do things that are suspect, but who can complain if school patrons do it? I think people in general see through that fog.
I got it. You have no evidence but you're going to make the accusation anyway.
Pure speculation.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 08:59:55 pm
I got it. You have no evidence but you're going to make the accusation anyway.
Pure speculation.
Assuming pure speculation is throwing out quite a large net. Let me give you an example, 2 weeks ago when a LRM player took a cheap shot at a PA kicker, let's use that for my point. Let's say it happened in week 2, the refs threw a flag and the AAA was going to suspend him for the next game. Now the flag stands, an accident is not reason to reverse the call. As far as the suspension, the player goes before the AAA and claims he was looking past the kicker and didn't see the player until it was too late. Lowering his head and bracing for the hit was a subconscious reflex, he had no control. Now every person on that board, in that room and reading this post will say in unison "Give me a flippin break, get out of here". Do they know 100% that he's lying? The only irrefutable positive proof would require everyone to be in his head at the time of the play. That's not possible. My point is that sometimes speculation is pure gossip, sometimes it is spot on.
To me the smoking gun is the financial aid. If it was pure then the aid would be distributed dead even across the board, athletes and non-athletes at the exact same rate. The fact that athletes in various sports get a higher rate of aid, a rate that mimics the sport that any given school excels at, leaves one to question that something is afoot.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 09:35:17 pm
Assuming pure speculation is throwing out quite a large net. Let me give you an example, 2 weeks ago when a LRM player took a cheap shot at a PA kicker, let's use that for my point. Let's say it happened in week 2, the refs threw a flag and the AAA was going to suspend him for the next game. Now the flag stands, an accident is not reason to reverse the call. As far as the suspension, the player goes before the AAA and claims he was looking past the kicker and didn't see the player until it was too late. Lowering his head and bracing for the hit was a subconscious reflex, he had no control. Now every person on that board, in that room and reading this post will say in unison "Give me a flippin break, get out of here". Do they know 100% that he's lying? The only irrefutable positive proof would require everyone to be in his head at the time of the play. That's not possible. My point is that sometimes speculation is pure gossip, sometimes it is spot on.
To me the smoking gun is the financial aid. If it was pure then the aid would be distributed dead even across the board, athletes and non-athletes at the exact same rate. The fact that athletes in various sports get a higher rate of aid, a rate that mimics the sport that any given school excels at, leaves one to question that something is afoot.
Speculation is " conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise:
a report based on speculation rather than facts.". How can that be "spot on"?
And your attempt to prove recruiting based on financial aid is laughable. I posted an analysis of the players at PA about a year ago. It showed that all but three players on the team had been at PA since grade school. So you're taking financial aid numbers to prove PA recruited grade school students. Do you see a small logical failure there? I know PA coaches are good but identifying talent in grade school is ridiculous.
And then there is the inconvenient fact that PA can't possibly tell a parent whether a player will receive financial assistance or how much assistance if it is given. That is determined by a third party designated by the AAA. I know those pesky facts are a problem when you're speculating but you have to deal with them.
As much as P.A. is hated and despised don't you think folks would love to report recruiting by PA? Why do you think that hasn't happened? Do you think every parent/student PA has recruited is corrupt and thus wouldn't report it?
Get real.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 09:52:24 pm
Speculation is " conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise:
a report based on speculation rather than facts.". How can that be "spot on"?
And your attempt to prove recruiting based on financial aid is laughable. I posted an analysis of the players at PA about a year ago. It showed that all but three players on the team had been at PA since grade school. So you're taking financial aid numbers to prove PA recruited grade school students. Do you see a small logical failure there? I know PA coaches are good but identifying talent in grade school is ridiculous.
As much as P.A. is hated and despised don't you think folks would love to report recruiting by PA? Why do you think that hasn't happened? Do you think every parent/student PA has recruited is corrupt and thus wouldn't report it?
Get real.
There is a prominent car dealer in Little Rock.
I know he has in fact given money to help fund athletes that need assistance. The monies are given as "gifts" to the school to be done with as they please. And who do they have to report it to? No one. That's the beauty of the private thing. He could write a check to "pa" for a gift to cover the tuition and get a tax write off in the same time.
There are plenty of ways to get it done. Just like kids in park view and central jurisdiction popping up at Joe T Robinson.
As far as proving the car dealer thing. I'm not arguing with anyone. I've done the private vs public thing long enough. Y'all take the baton lol. I just know what I've been told from someone I'm very close to who was married into the family.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 03, 2018, 10:06:36 pm
There is a prominent car dealer in Little Rock.
I know he has in fact given money to help fund athletes that need assistance. The monies are given as "gifts" to the school to be done with as they please. And who do they have to report it to? No one. That's the beauty of the private thing. He could write a check to "pa" for a gift to cover the tuition and get a tax write off in the same time.
There are plenty of ways to get it done. Just like kids in park view and central jurisdiction popping up at Joe T Robinson.
You are just wrong. Privates are required to report all assistance given to a student whether they are athletes or not.
You can say that PA ignores that requirement. But, if you're going to do so, back it up with evidence.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:10:40 pm
You are just wrong. Privates are required to report all assistance given to a student whether they are athletes or not.
You can say that PA ignores that requirement. But, if you're going to do so, back it up with evidence.
Nope.
I'm an observer in this matter. Lol. Y'all have at it. I know what I know. You know what you know. No sense in making an enemy.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 03, 2018, 10:13:55 pm
Nope.
I'm an observer in this matter. Lol. Y'all have at it. I know what I know. You know what you know. No sense in making an enemy.
We can argue and debate without making enemies.
I understand that folks think I will defend PA regardless. That's not true. I really despise cheaters. If I had evidence that PA is cheating I'd post it here and report them to that AAA. And if you have evidence that they are cheating I urge you to report it. Public or private, cheating is unacceptable.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:18:54 pm
We can argue and debate without making enemies.
I understand that folks think I will defend PA regardless. That's not true. I really despise cheaters. If I had evidence that PA is cheating I'd post it here and report them to that AAA. And if you have evidence that they are cheating I urge you to report it. Public or private, cheating is unacceptable.
It's fine. I enjoy reading. I've debated this plenty of times.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 03, 2018, 10:19:37 pm
It's fine. I enjoy reading. I've debated this plenty of times.
Lord, haven't we all? It's an annual topic of discussion.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:21:03 pm
Lord, haven't we all? It's an annual topic of discussion.
I've fought the good fight. Lol.
I'm a proponent of all schools. Public and private. They are the future and I want them to all succeed.
A poster pm'd me with an interesting question. How does the AAA define recruiting? I've never looked at the rule so I don't know. Does anyone have that handy?
I have been asked a number of times by friends if I would recommend PA for their kids. I've always enthusiastically endorsed PA. Not because of the football team but because of the quality of the education the students get. Is that recruiting? If it is I better change my tune because I've recruited many times.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:18:54 pm
We can argue and debate without making enemies.
I understand that folks think I will defend PA regardless. That's not true. I really despise cheaters. If I had evidence that PA is cheating I'd post it here and report them to that AAA. And if you have evidence that they are cheating I urge you to report it. Public or private, cheating is unacceptable.
And there it is, the opening I needed. Of course we're not enemies, I have much more angry arguments with my daughter, you should hear the crap she calls music, debate is not arguing. The opening allows me to explain what I have done a terrible job of doing so far. My issue is not with PA or privates schools in general. My argument is with the AAA. PA is not cheating, not at all, another school may have but that's not an issue here. The problem is the AAA's total and complete lack of leadership on this issue. It's pathetic, they are spineless and pointless. Fraternities enforce the "Wash your hands after using restroom" sign during beer pong nite than the AAA does any rules, unless your Blytheville. The issue is with the AAA's wild west mentality.
The one thing that no one has ever explained to me is why do they not insist on moving up? If everything they have has been earned by hard work and coaching then why not take it out for a spin? Why not be the best of the best? Look at UCF, they are not content to say "We won the AAC" they say "We want the big boys, we want Alabama". They are confident that their success is justified and second to none. Why would any private school look at the 7A as anything other than a compliment? That I do not get. And don't feed me that 310 enrollment crap, the only number that matters is 81 players. Yet when the public school posters say move them up they are met with resistance, why?
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:29:19 pm
A poster pm'd me with an interesting question. How does the AAA define recruiting? I've never looked at the rule so I don't know. Does anyone have that handy?
I have been asked a number of times by friends if I would recommend PA for their kids. I've always enthusiastically endorsed PA. Not because of the football team but because of the quality of the education the students get. Is that recruiting? If it is I better change my tune because I've recruited many times.
I knew it, PA Dad is the smoking gun. I could tell by looking at him, lol. Trust me, spend 5 minutes with the man and you'll know, when he say's he despises cheaters he's telling the truth. I don't doubt him for a minute.
BTW, That's how I got out of jury duty. I told the clerk I'd be great, I can spot a guilty man just by looking at him.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 10:50:34 pm
And there it is, the opening I needed. Of course we're not enemies, I have much more angry arguments with my daughter, you should hear the crap she calls music, debate is not arguing. The opening allows me to explain what I have done a terrible job of doing so far. My issue is not with PA or privates schools in general. My argument is with the AAA. PA is not cheating, not at all, another school may have but that's not an issue here. The problem is the AAA's total and complete lack of leadership on this issue. It's pathetic, they are spineless and pointless. Fraternities enforce the "Wash your hands after using restroom" sign during beer pong nite than the AAA does any rules, unless your Blytheville. The issue is with the AAA's wild west mentality.
The one thing that no one has ever explained to me is why do they not insist on moving up? If everything they have has been earned by hard work and coaching then why not take it out for a spin? Why not be the best of the best? Look at UCF, they are not content to say "We won the AAC" they say "We want the big boys, we want Alabama". They are confident that their success is justified and second to none. Why would any private school look at the 7A as anything other than a compliment? That I do not get. And don't feed me that 310 enrollment crap, the only number that matters is 81 players. Yet when the public school posters say move them up they are met with resistance, why?
When it comes to moving up I agree with you regarding PA. They should move up.
And LRCA would probably compete in 6A.
I don't think any other private school could compete at higher classifications. If our goal is to make the classifications competitive we can't make Conway Christian compete with Bryant. There has to be some happy medium.
I still favor success based classifications.
Quote from: JessieP on December 03, 2018, 10:55:21 pm
I knew it, PA Dad is the smoking gun. I could tell by looking at him, lol. Trust me, spend 5 minutes with the man and you'll know, when he say's he despises cheaters he's telling the truth. I don't doubt him for a minute.
BTW, That's how I got out of jury duty. I told the clerk I'd be great, I can spot a guilty man just by looking at him.
That's really good. You would never serve on one of my juries.
As an aside, let me say that despite the vigorous debate JessieP and I have had tonight, I still think he's a very intelligent, interesting and funny guy. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
And with that, I'm going to bed.
Here is a thought, what would happen to PA & Shiloh football if they were placed in a Private only class? I think you would see PA football go down because of the lack of competition. On the other hand if they did move up to 7A as suggested they would get better. Moving PA up will only feed the monster IMO.
Now as far as recruiting, Privates have advantages, plain and simple. The parents in private schools are better off usually and have a two parent home. The kids know where their next meal is going to come from and the kids are usually academically strong. If KK was recruiting, or any private school for that matter he would have had to keep it under wraps with guns to several parents heads for years now. I find that highly unlikely. I could be wrong. Now Shiloh is a different animal altogether because they are affiliated with the church. That gives a far better avenue to recruit than PA IMO. Greenwood has been accused by people for years now of recruiting kids from that hotbed of talent in Hackett, lol. We have got kids from there on occasion, and they have made a difference but I doubt CRJ went over there and scouted the kids and made offers. Now a few Southside posters are upset that the Greenwood school district infiltrates the south borders of Fort Smith! And that is why we beat them year in and year out, lol.
The AAA should have clear and concise rules and enforce them equally. The AAA has never been fair and has proven that on several different occasions. This debate will rear it's ugly head every year until the AAA can make good rules rather than make rules about "Cowbells" at football games. ::)
Quote from: IMSwarmed on December 03, 2018, 05:56:30 pm
Could it be that recruiting begins in youth leagues? How hard would it be to have somebody scout the leagues around Little Rock and lure the best players to your school and your own youth league? Just because they've been there since 6th grade doesn't mean they weren't recruited in 6th grade.
To be honest this happens all the time. Starting in Pee-Wee football.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 08:59:55 pm
I got it. You have no evidence but you're going to make the accusation anyway.
Pure speculation.
Circumstantial evidence lol.
Quote from: HeberFan on December 03, 2018, 10:16:39 am
LRC mostly won with great defense and special teams.
-- Punting was outstanding, often inside the 10 yard line.
-- Kick-offs were usually into the endzone.
-- Kick return team got every onside try.
-- Defensive line batted balls into interceptions, while, linebackers and secondary limited big plays. The more plays it takes to move down the field, the better chance something will go wrong. Just analytics.
PA still has plenty about which to be happy, like, beating LRC in 10 of last 12 games?
I thought Christian scored 52 points? ???
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:29:19 pm
A poster pm'd me with an interesting question. How does the AAA define recruiting? I've never looked at the rule so I don't know.
This is classic. You've been arguing vigorously that PA does not recruit, then you say you don't even know what is considered recruiting.
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Quote from: SUGARTOWN on December 04, 2018, 07:47:25 am
This is classic. You've been arguing vigorously that PA does not recruit, then you say you don't even know what is considered recruiting.
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I think he's been arguing that PA doesn't recruit for sports. Of course they recruit, as does every school. I see billboards surrounding Batesville recruiting students to the local schools - school choice has caused that.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 04, 2018, 07:39:14 am
I thought Christian scored 52 points? ???
Scored 52 points with lots of short fields and turnovers, yes. Often times, the offense is fueled by special teams and defense. LRC scored a defensive touchdown, as you might recall.
I agree with PA Dad that a school must report any tuition assistance the school itself gives to a player. What if a supporter of a school pays the tuition of a payer either directly or as a gift directly to the family? Those are two different situations. I don't think the AAA can police the latter. If 100% of the tuition is paid to a school, the school has nothing to report. I'm not accusing PA or anyone else of this but these are the rumors I hear.
Just because you have your brand doesn't mean you recruit.
Don't be upset when you're wearing Nike like everybody else and somebody strolls in wearing Adidas.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 08:12:26 pm
There are so many logical failings with this argument it's hard to know where to start.
The fact that a kid transfers to P.A. in high school doesn't prove recruiting or wrongdoing. All of the kids who have done so that I can remember came when their parents moved here from out of state.
Second, your argument assumes that the kid who transfers in in high school is a star player. In fact, you assume all of them are. I challenge anyone to name one kid who transferred in in high school who was a star. I can remember one player who fit that category who was a good player and was a starter, but his dad was an Air Force officer who was transferred to LRAFB. Is that cheating?
2 to 3 star players can make a huge difference. Check PB when they were getting stary players from the local schools around them.
Which quality 5A team lost the most seniors this year?
Quote from: Chin Music on December 04, 2018, 09:11:10 am
I agree with PA Dad that a school must report any tuition assistance the school itself gives to a player. What if a supporter of a school pays the tuition of a payer either directly or as a gift directly to the family? Those are two different situations. I don't think the AAA can police the latter. If 100% of the tuition is paid to a school, the school has nothing to report. I'm not accusing PA or anyone else of this but these are the rumors I hear.
Hence. The prominent Little Rock car dealer.
A lil bit of the "peeple heppin bidness".
It's a tiresome argument. One Pa will never faulter on their beliefs. Neither will their challengers. They report their "federal tuition assistance", yes. But like their grades and academic scoring, what they receive as "gifts" to the school, is not something they have to report to the general public or the state.
Hence, private.
Private: from the Latin "privatus," as in, "withdrawn from public life."
Quote from: PA Dad on December 03, 2018, 10:29:19 pm
A poster pm'd me with an interesting question. How does the AAA define recruiting? I've never looked at the rule so I don't know. Does anyone have that handy?
I have been asked a number of times by friends if I would recommend PA for their kids. I've always enthusiastically endorsed PA. Not because of the football team but because of the quality of the education the students get. Is that recruiting? If it is I better change my tune because I've recruited many times.
The AAA Handbook has almost three pages dedicated to recruiting.
Quote from: HeberFan on December 04, 2018, 11:04:09 am
Which quality 5A team lost the most seniors this year?
Not Harrison
Quote from: RazorDad on December 04, 2018, 02:49:15 pm
The AAA Handbook has almost three pages dedicated to recruiting.
Ohh, that's enough then. We're good.
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 04, 2018, 03:02:00 pm
Not Harrison
You think that makes Harrison the super-early, 2019 favorite ?
Quote from: HeberFan on December 04, 2018, 03:25:44 pm
You think that makes Harrison the super-early, 2019 favorite ?
A distinct possibility
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 04, 2018, 03:38:20 pm
A distinct possibility
Better luck fielding on-side kicks might have led to a title this year. That was an amazing semi-final battle. Great season.
Quote from: High Voltage on December 04, 2018, 06:16:15 am
Here is a thought, what would happen to PA & Shiloh football if they were placed in a Private only class? I think you would see PA football go down because of the lack of competition. On the other hand if they did move up to 7A as suggested they would get better. Moving PA up will only feed the monster IMO.
Now as far as recruiting, Privates have advantages, plain and simple. The parents in private schools are better off usually and have a two parent home. The kids know where their next meal is going to come from and the kids are usually academically strong. If KK was recruiting, or any private school for that matter he would have had to keep it under wraps with guns to several parents heads for years now. I find that highly unlikely. I could be wrong. Now Shiloh is a different animal altogether because they are affiliated with the church. That gives a far better avenue to recruit than PA IMO. Greenwood has been accused by people for years now of recruiting kids from that hotbed of talent in Hackett, lol. We have got kids from there on occasion, and they have made a difference but I doubt CRJ went over there and scouted the kids and made offers. Now a few Southside posters are upset that the Greenwood school district infiltrates the south borders of Fort Smith! And that is why we beat them year in and year out, lol.
The AAA should have clear and concise rules and enforce them equally. The AAA has never been fair and has proven that on several different occasions. This debate will rear it's ugly head every year until the AAA can make good rules rather than make rules about "Cowbells" at football games. ::)
The AAA does have clear and concise rules that are enforced.
Public schools wanting to kick out private schools is the coward's way out. Get better. 3A size schools are beating 5A schools. No excuses. Play better football. Just watching those kids warm up the other night showed easily how much better they are coached than 90% of other schools. Public schools do all the things they blame private schools of doing and yet whine when private schools, with far greater restrictions, still beat them.
Greenwood is an excellent example. Historically, Nashville is a good example too. They play the game well.
Suck it and play better.
Eddie, surely you're not foolish enough to believe everything you just wrote. Get better? Get outta here with that! You love PA. We get it. But they simply don't just out work other teams. They have clear advantages. As does lrca. Your bias is blinding you. It's not as simple as just getting better.
Privates have more restrictions now? Please, go on. I'm intrigued.
I'm actually really confused. So public schools have advantages and are less regulated than private schools? Just to make sure we're on the same page here. Private schools are more restricted and yet, they somehow find a way to overcome all of their obstacles to beat public schools? They just hired better coaches and work harder?
Quote from: Rolling on December 04, 2018, 11:02:09 am
2 to 3 star players can make a huge difference. Check PB when they were getting stary players from the local schools around them.
😂
Quote from: MDXPHD on December 04, 2018, 05:00:47 pm
Eddie, surely you're not foolish enough to believe everything you just wrote. Get better? Get outta here with that! You love PA. We get it. But they simply don't just out work other teams. They have clear advantages. As does lrca. Your bias is blinding you. It's not as simple as just getting better.
Privates have more restrictions now? Please, go on. I'm intrigued.
Wow, PA must have that good kool aid to drink, lol, I laughed out loud when I read his post, it is getting deep on this thread, might have to break out the hip boots. ;D ;D ;D
I agree with Eddie, he's an administrator I have to, suck it you low rent public school plebeians. Why should the private schools be challenged because your useless parents don't make enough money. How dare you question those above you, your kids don't have everything private school kids have? Who cares. What right do you have to seek out fair and even competition? You want a equitable solution? Tough poopie. Now shut up, bow down and kiss their upscale backsides. Play better you filthy commoners.
If the post we're talking about came from a regular poster I'd had read that post coming from a every day poster I'd wonder when a moderator was gonna slap them down. Coming from an administrator? Wow.
Well one things for sure. With these threads, there's gonna be plenty to chat about and keep us entertained til kickoff 2019
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on December 04, 2018, 07:47:25 am
This is classic. You've been arguing vigorously that PA does not recruit, then you say you don't even know what is considered recruiting.
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You need to read more closely. I certainly have an understanding of what recruiting is. It's a common understanding. What I admitted I have not done is read the AAA rules on recruiting . While they may be obtuse I suspect they comport with the common understanding.
Quote from: Rolling on December 04, 2018, 11:02:09 am
2 to 3 star players can make a huge difference. Check PB when they were getting stary players from the local schools around them.
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That's not the subject of the discussion. The discussion is about whether the star players are recruited.
Quote from: AirWarren on December 04, 2018, 01:07:46 pm
Hence. The prominent Little Rock car dealer.
A lil bit of the "peeple heppin bidness".
It's a tiresome argument. One Pa will never faulter on their beliefs. Neither will their challengers. They report their "federal tuition assistance", yes. But like their grades and academic scoring, what they receive as "gifts" to the school, is not something they have to report to the general public or the state.
Hence, private.
Gifts to the school which are used as financial assistance to students must be reported.
Chin Music makes a different point which is valid. If a supporter gives the parents the money to pay the player's tuition the school would not know that and it would not be reported. That certainly could happen. I suspect, but do not know, that would violate the rules. I'm not aware of that happening. If you are, report it.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 04, 2018, 09:14:01 pm
Gifts to the school which are used as financial assistance to students must be reported.
Chin Music makes a different point which is valid. If a supporter gives the parents the money to pay the player's tuition the school would not know that and it would not be reported. That certainly could happen. I suspect, but do not know, that would violate the rules. I'm not aware of that happening. If you are, report it.
I'm not sure that would violate a law. If a parent needs to come up with tuition how they get it, short of breaking the law, it's really no ones business. They could borrow from bank, relative, friend or loan shark. I'm not sure any institution can ask "How'd you get the money". Now if the institution brokered the loan that would be troublesome.
Quote from: JessieP on December 04, 2018, 09:46:02 pm
I'm not sure that would violate a law. If a parent needs to come up with tuition how they get it, short of breaking the law, it's really no ones business. They could borrow from bank, relative, friend or loan shark. I'm not sure any institution can ask "How'd you get the money". Now if the institution brokered the loan that would be troublesome.
I think no one would care if a football player is not involved. But if tuition is paid by a third party for a star player I think it would upset many.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 04, 2018, 09:54:20 pm
I think no one would care if a football player is not involved. But if tuition is paid by a third party for a star player I think it would upset many.
Again, I think it's not black and white. If a private school brokered the deal, big problem. If the kid was a football player and went to anyone and ask "Can you help me out with my kids tuition" ? And that 3rd party was not affiliated with the school it's no ones business. That's my feeling anyway.
Quote from: JessieP on December 04, 2018, 10:01:50 pm
Again, I think it's not black and white. If a private school brokered the deal, big problem. If the kid was a football player and went to anyone and ask "Can you help me out with my kids tuition" ? And that 3rd party was not affiliated with the school it's no ones business. That's my feeling anyway.
Since we're talking hypothetically, what if a booster approached a parent of a promising player and offered to pay the kid's tuition if the parent put him in PA. The parent accepts, the booster gives the parent the money to pay the tuition and the school never knows of the arrangement.
The booster clearly recruited the player. Is that contrary to AAA rules or do the rules prohibit only school personnel from recruiting?
I don't know PA Dad personally but I have suspected he is lawyer. Now I know he is....he used the word "obtuse" in a sentence. ;D
Quote from: POWERCAT PRIDE on December 04, 2018, 10:22:28 pm
I don't know PA Dad personally but I have suspected he is lawyer. Now I know he is....he used the word "obtuse" in a sentence. ;D
Maybe he as just watch Shawshank.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 04, 2018, 10:14:45 pm
Since we're talking hypothetically, what if a booster approached a parent of a promising player and offered to pay the kid's tuition if the parent put him in PA. The parent accepts, the booster gives the parent the money to pay the tuition and the school never knows of the arrangement.
The booster clearly recruited the player. Is that contrary to AAA rules or do the rules prohibit only school personnel from recruiting?
That goes right to the thrust of my argument. Who knows? The NCAA is very specific, they define booster quite clearly. The AAA does not, as I have stated here numerous times, I'm not sure recruiting is against any rules. As far as your example I would say if the offer of a loan is contingent on a specific destination then that should be wrong. It's like the 99 paragraph"Terms and conditions" when you join ITunes, it's all legal mumbo jumbo. Here's a scenario that I would consider ok. A man say's to a friend "Hey, I understand you're having trouble coming up with the money to send your kid to school. I can help you out, my kids go to PA, it's a great school. But whatever you decide I'll help you out". To me there were no rules broken. If the AAA would just grow a pair and actually clarify the rules the problem would go away.
As it stands now I would say yes, only an actual agent of the school could be charged with recruiting.
I was hoping when I came back after a few days there would be something meaningful to discuss.
Instead it's the same thing. PA engages in wrongdoing.
Meet the parents and kids some day. Have a discussion. Learn facts.
All of his is just so ridiculous.
See y'all next fall. Congrats to LRCA again. Best team in 5A this year.
Quote from: Yellowcake on December 04, 2018, 11:16:57 pm
I was hoping when I came back after a few days there would be something meaningful to discuss.
Instead it's the same thing. PA engages in wrongdoing.
Meet the parents and kids some day. Have a discussion. Learn facts.
All of his is just so ridiculous.
See y'all next fall. Congrats to LRCA again. Best team in 5A this year.
C'mon yellow! Start a meaningful off-season thread and we will all participate with you!
Quote from: PA Dad on December 04, 2018, 09:05:35 pm
You need to read more closely. I certainly have an understanding of what recruiting is. It's a common understanding. What I admitted I have not done is read the AAA rules on recruiting . While they may be obtuse I suspect they comport with the common understanding.
That's right, you haven't read the rules. So maybe what you say is not recruiting actually is per the rules...so maybe YOU need to read.
And I don't care one way or the other, I just enjoy reading the banter from folks who don't really know what they're talking about.
Quote from: POWERCAT PRIDE on December 04, 2018, 10:22:28 pm
I don't know PA Dad personally but I have suspected he is lawyer. Now I know he is....he used the word "obtuse" in a sentence. ;D
I think obtuse has something to do with an angle of a triangle doesn't it? ???
"Chin Music makes a different point which is valid. If a supporter gives the parents the money to pay the player's tuition the school would not know that and it would not be reported. That certainly could happen. I suspect, but do not know, that would violate the rules. I'm not aware of that happening. If you are, report it."
This would be a clear violation of Rule 5M. It would also be a violation of the AAA Amateurism rules. It would also violate the NCAA Amateur Rules. If caught, the kid would not be eligible at either the high school or the collegiate level. But it is important to remember that this would not be a violation by the booster, not by the school, unless it participated in the scheme. I suspect (but have no actual knowledge) that this has occurred, but most likely neither the school, the AAA, nor the NCAA would ever know.
I think the best plan would be get find a bunch of NFL prospects who got cut, get them to wear some sneaky disguises, and let them pose as high school kids. That would be the start of a good team! Might also make a good Disney Channel movie!
Quote from: HeberFan on December 05, 2018, 12:34:47 pm
I think the best plan would be get find a bunch of NFL prospects who got cut, get them to wear some sneaky disguises, and let them pose as high school kids. That would be the start of a good team! Might also make a good Disney Channel movie!
Unless they were cut from the Jets, Raiders, or 49ers...
Quote from: HeberFan on December 04, 2018, 08:31:15 am
Scored 52 points with lots of short fields and turnovers, yes. Often times, the offense is fueled by special teams and defense. LRC scored a defensive touchdown, as you might recall.
Yeah, you're right. I think I did see that defensive touchdown on the highlights. That helps lol.