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Started by BB Junkie, June 12, 2014, 04:28:01 pm

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BB Junkie

Only 6 or 7 kids to move up to 10th next year.

Eagle20

If you don't start cutting in 7th grade somewhat you will be cutting 15 to 20 players in 10th grade as they move to high school.  Talk about a nightmare!  I think a good number is 15 for 7th grade.  12 for 8th and 9th and then in high school you may have 3 to 8 seniors depending on the class.  Average number of high school players per grade is 4-6.
Let them tryout every year.  You are bound to make a few mistakes in selecting players at the 7th grade level in looking to the future that is why you have tryouts every year.  We can't be everything to everybody as much as we would like to. 

Batman44

Eagle, I contacted a couple of successful coaches, and they basically said the same thing you posted. I did it just to get a feel for what I thought. Thanks for the post, and I concur with BB Junkie. 7th grade maybe, after that, you have to trim it down.

HorseFeathers

Take fifteen on road games. . . . Everybody welcome to sit at end of bench at home. All that don't dress out for road games get to play in the B team games. That's about how my junior high team was at a 2a school with 20ish kids on it. There was a few of us that got to trade off dressing for road games. Usually all that dressed got to see the court. With your scenario what if your blessed with so much talent you can't justify cutting it?

Batman44


HorseFeathers

Quote from: Batman44 on June 20, 2014, 07:05:44 pm
Transfer! Lol


Move to Timbo they'll be happy to have you :D

Jacketman65

Moving to another school is always an option.  But, at the end of the day when this coach decides to cut players, where will you stand if your child is one of those that gets cut. Seems to me that you have set your child up for this!

Batman44

Well heck,(stronger language) just suit the whole school up and rotate them in.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: Batman44 on June 20, 2014, 08:26:11 pm
Well heck,(stronger language) just suit the whole school up and rotate them in.

I think there are 1A schools that actually do this :D

BB Junkie

Hey "commonsense" here's one for you, the lines of communication run both directions. They may have a few words for me but I've got a lot of parents that have a lot of words for them, I gladly welcome a discussion however I doubt they do.

DogsWin7

Quote from: BB Junkie on June 20, 2014, 09:43:46 pm
Hey "commonsense" here's one for you, the lines of communication run both directions. They may have a few words for me but I've got a lot of parents that have a lot of words for them, I gladly welcome a discussion however I doubt they do.

Be careful what you ask for.....

Now that some have answered your question....what now??   

Do you think that you can change the policy of the Coach or how he chooses to pick players and Coach?   

BB Junkie

June 20, 2014, 09:52:43 pm #61 Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 10:12:24 pm by BB Junkie
Eagle 20, I like you numbers, falls pretty well in line with with other coach's numbers. Thanks for the input!!!!!

BB Junkie

No way diehard it wont make 10 cents worth of difference. These people act like I'm just another disgruntled parent venting on here. I've had discussions, looked right thru me, paid no attention to anything I said. A total waist of time! I could take the time to lay out the discussions but its not worth the effort to type it. I'm already way out in front of this anyway, I just wanted some honest imput.

BB Junkie

Thanks guys, I appreciate the honest answers instead of the personal attacks. That's all I wanted.

Brian G


Coach DePriest, Sheridan

Quote from: Batman44 on June 20, 2014, 12:17:43 pm
And, Coach DePriest, did you ever try, or have, to coach 25-30 kids at one time? Just askin. If so, how did you handle it?
No, but I'm not going to tell another coach that he can't or that he is wrong for doing so. I respect coaches who are not just about winning and want to touch the lives of more than just the best players.

I have no idea the reasoning for why the coach does things, so without knowing him, I'm going to assume his reasons are unselfish and for the best in the long run.  Seems like he may be a big picture thinking.

Batman44

I understand completely about the Coaching Brotherhood, so to speak, since I have several family members who were/are coaches. Don't want to beat a dead horse, since I feel this thread has run its course. You don't have to respond to this question, and I'm asking in the proper spirit. What would be your thoughts if you were asked to coach 25-30 9th and 10th graders?

HorseFeathers

Quote from: Batman44 on June 21, 2014, 01:04:13 pm
I understand completely about the Coaching Brotherhood, so to speak, since I have several family members who were/are coaches. Don't want to beat a dead horse, since I feel this thread has run its course. You don't have to respond to this question, and I'm asking in the proper spirit. What would be your thoughts if you were asked to coach 25-30 9th and 10th graders?

He's a football coach...so He might say game on...lol

DogsWin7

The more you have go out for Athletics the better.  Period. 

Batman44

Well, I guess that solves this issue. Period!! 

walrus

Once upon a time, sports were instituted at the school setting to instill a sense of teamwork and cooperation, as well as nurturing the competitive spirit, among students.

Sports were to inspire students to have healthy bodies as well as healthy minds (which amazingly enough, feed off of each other).

You learned different sports for various reasons.  To compete.  To be with your friends.  To learn how to work with others.

Then, the emphasis changed.  Win is the word to live by.

Students realize what they are good at and what they are not.  They fall away from things that embarrass them or lead to feeling overwhelmed by others with superior talent.  Most that have no talent for a game will cull themselves at some point.  Others will be cut when the stakes are raised.

7th grade?  11,12,13 years of age? Yes, that sounds like a good age for a adult (especially one that they look up to and has told them they are there to teach them  skills for their life) that they are not worth the effort.



OlGuyWicker

Quote from: walrus on June 25, 2014, 08:32:39 pm
Once upon a time, sports were instituted at the school setting to instill a sense of teamwork and cooperation, as well as nurturing the competitive spirit, among students.

Sports were to inspire students to have healthy bodies as well as healthy minds (which amazingly enough, feed off of each other).

You learned different sports for various reasons.  To compete.  To be with your friends.  To learn how to work with others.

Then, the emphasis changed.  Win is the word to live by.

Students realize what they are good at and what they are not.  They fall away from things that embarrass them or lead to feeling overwhelmed by others with superior talent.  Most that have no talent for a game will cull themselves at some point.  Others will be cut when the stakes are raised.

7th grade?  11,12,13 years of age? Yes, that sounds like a good age for a adult (especially one that they look up to and has told them they are there to teach them  skills for their life) that they are not worth the effort.



Well Stated!!!!

BB Junkie

One coach cannot effectively teach 26 kids. I witnessed a coach waste 15 minutes of an hour practice on two kids teaching them a drill over and over and when the coach finished, the kids the coach had just spent 15 minutes on, were as clueless about running the drill as they were  before the coach started teaching them the drill. Not cutting players or having tryouts hurts the team. Period!

walrus

June 26, 2014, 03:28:36 pm #73 Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 03:30:08 pm by walrus
Then volunteer to help.

Tell a coach that if he will tell you what he wants a group to work on (dribbling, passing, layups, sliding drills, etc) that you will take a small group to help drill.

As far as a coach being able to work 25 or 26,  One coach I knew used to go up to the gym 3 days a week in summer when I was in high school.  This was before the time that coaches had their teams practice and go to camps all summer long.  He did it cos he wanted.  At that time he was the Jr High girl's coach (he had already spent a long career coaching almost any sport at a couple of schools).  We boys would go up cos that is where the girls were and also he would give us one end for pickup games while he had the girls on the other end playing supervised, instructional scrimmages.  One catch, if the boys wanted to play, we had to do the drills for the first hour or so, too. 

There were days when we had 20 or more boys and at least an equal number of girls from our town and a couple of towns close by.  Lined up with a partner face to face from one end line to the other.  Bounce pass, chest pass, dibble, switch hand and repeat,  between legs, figure eight, around neck, waist and heels and back up.  Fundamentals.

He handled us well.  And any acting the fool would lead him to escorting you out and sending you on your way.  Of course, back then when our parents heard that it happened to you, they took you back up there and you didn't leave until you did the face to face apology thing.  Then, he would accept it usually and tell you to go home and think about it and you could come back and try next week.  BUT, if it happened again, you would not be back.  Our dads insured it didn't happen again.

I miss that coach a lot.  I hope I told him or showed him how important those lessons were.




Brian G

It appears you'll need to move The Prodigy to another school.  Maybe you can just skip school ball and concentrate on playing in the summer.

DogsWin7

Do they offer tennis?       

Coach DePriest, Sheridan

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

If I were a basketball coach that had 26 kids, I would use resources available to me to design an efficient practice. I can't say whether I would cut or not. I am a football coach, so I've never had to cut anyone. In fact, I tell kids who want to quit because they think they will never play that "their value to me has zero to do with their talents, and everything to do with them as an individual." I strongly encourage EVERY kid to stay on the team if they have any doubts at all about quitting. To me, it's not about the game or how much a kid will "help" the team. It's about how I can positively influence the young men in our program even down to the managers, and I keep that same philosophy in my math classroom. 

Again, I am not a basketball coach, but I think an effective coach is an effective coach whether he has 10 or 40 players. He is going to find a way to may it work. If the situation you described about wasting 15 minutes on 2 players is true, why do you think that coach would be any better with fewer players? Or, maybe to him it wasn't wasting anyone's time. He was spending time showing the whole team that every kid is important enough for him to spend time working with them even if some practice time is sacrificed.

Now to the not cutting hurts the team comment.  We are talking about junior high basketball!  This coach apparently feels that his job as a molder of young men is more important than having the best junior high team around.  Shame on him!  I will again suggest that you have a conversation with this coach about his reasoning for doing things the way he does.  The absolute worst thing you can do as a parent is complain about your son's coach to him. One of the most powerful two words are "Coach says..."  Many kids grasp onto every word that their coach says and he can be the most powerful outside influence in your child's life, but every time he gets in the car after practice, you're cutting him down at the knees and ruining a chance for that coach to positively influence your child's life.

BB Junkie

June 26, 2014, 11:22:56 pm #77 Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 11:25:22 pm by BB Junkie
Wow, how obtuse! You really should read all the post before you comment. And I'm not referring to coach DePriest

Brian G

You should probably have a conversation with yourself.

neds

Any thoughts on athletic director Crawford's new HS in Little Rock?

BB Junkie

And you should probably keep your post to yourself!

Moonshiner

Any idea what the opinion of the admin is there?  Would they assign a coach to work with a "JV" group? Maybe try to run off the fence riders before the next season

TheMercenary

Quote from: BB Junkie on June 27, 2014, 12:44:51 pm
And you should probably keep your post to yourself!

Oh No He Di'hint!! :o

BB Junkie

June 27, 2014, 09:53:43 pm #83 Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 10:02:49 pm by BB Junkie
Moonshiner, nope, just try to run them all in the ground and hope they quit thru attrition. That's my problem with the entire situation! They punish the kids who work their butts off because the wont cut, then they let the weak ones ride the bench until they quit. I'm not about treating EITHER set of kids that way!!!

DogsWin7

Quote from: TheMercenary on June 27, 2014, 01:50:04 pm
Quote from: BB Junkie on June 27, 2014, 12:44:51 pm
And you should probably keep your post to yourself!

Oh No He Di'hint!! :o

Lookin like Oooooh ya he did!!

Personal agenda much you think???     


BB Junkie

I've not run down anybody on this thread and I  sure don't expect anybody to run down myself or my kids, regardless of their position on this site.

DogsWin7

Quote from: BB Junkie on June 27, 2014, 10:06:09 pm
I've not run down anybody on this thread and I  sure don't expect anybody to run down myself or my kids, regardless of their position on this site.

I haven't seen that.  Do you know BG Personally??   

Do you think by coming on here and posting what you have about other kids and how your coach is handling this situation is respectful??   Just curious. 


BB Junkie

June 27, 2014, 10:33:55 pm #87 Last Edit: June 28, 2014, 09:48:29 am by BB Junkie
I have mentioned no names, I mention no schools, my question was merely an anonymous question? Other people seem to think they know who I am and they're the ones trying to introduce that information. The questions were really simple, however they strike an emotional cord with both coaches and parents. I was just looking for a few honest responses.

horsepower1324

You basically give your side of this argument, with no chance for said coach to give his case.

You present your opinion of the coach's methods, and opinions are horribly subjective. This situation is applicable to you, and this coach, and this school district. How you feel about it is not how everyone else will feel about it.

You wanted opinions, but these opinions are based on others' experiences.

You have received numerous opinions, yet you argue with these people as if they're wrong. How do you know? You argue with coaches who have posted their thoughts as if they don't deal with this. Why? I saw posts about "coaching brotherhood", like people don't believe these are their own thoughts, but a company line coaches give about other coaches.

You asked for opinions, and when you received them, you kept adding to the scenario. I'm not telling you that you're wrong in your concerns, this isn't even about that. This is about asking people, unfamiliar with the situation, their opinion on a public forum, the absolutely last place you should ask anyone a personal situation question.

We aren't you, we don't have all the facts, we can't give you a reasoned decision. We can give you what we would do as parents/fans/coaches, whichever we may be, but for you to say we don't get it is because we don't have the full story. You can give your side, but until we get the coach's you're basically asking for general responses. That's what you're getting, and that's what you seem to have a problem with.

I offer nothing on the situation other than this: if you have such a problem with the way the coach handles the players, and you have made your concerns known to him and his superiors, then your best choice of recourse is to find another school for him/her or to just let it go.

hawgfan15

Being apart of a team should be the kids decision and only the kids decision. If they are fine with riding the bench, watching the majority of the time during practice, and still putting in the same work as the kids who play then they earn the right to be on the team. Those same kids who make the better kids run for their mistakes are the same kids who run during the season for the kid who plays mistakes in a game. "Punishment" in basketball is 99% of the time conditioning which is a very good thing for a player anyways.

arthurhawgerelli

I'm not sure why you asked the original question. I've seen at least 4 coaches (or former coaches) respond to you. 2 of them have coached at very successful programs in this state, with former players in the NBA, or now coaching in the NBA. You argued against there opinion.

Why didn't you just say you disagreed with how the coach of your son's team. This would have made more sense.

Good luck.

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