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Quote from: JessieP on February 08, 2019, 08:46:56 pm
This is my first year following high school basketball closely, Batesville's girls in particular. Even though I'm a die hard sports follower our postseason baffles me. I just checked in last year and the discussion confused me. You have a conference tournament and the top 4 advice? Then those 4 go to a district tournament where the top 8 advance? Then it's a regional tournament where the top 20 advance? Of course I'm being facetious but I remember people talking about post season and saying a team lost but they still advance. I think the AAA has gone a little participation trophy crazy.
My questions are these, Is it ever single elimination? How long from Monday till the final game? To make it simple, for my simple mind, how many games would the Lady Pioneers need to win to become State Champs? How many can they lose? At what point would it be single elimination?
Batesville girls have a double bye in the district tournament. That guarantees them a spot in the regional tournament. Win 2 games in the district tournament and you win the tournament.
Regionals gets a little easier. 8 teams are in. 4 advance to the state tournament. Win one game in the regionals and you're in. They have a championship game and 3rd place game to determine seedings for the state tournament.
State tournament is single elimination. Win them all (3 or 4 depending on seeding) and you're state champion.
Quote from: J12 on February 08, 2019, 09:28:03 pm
Batesville girls have a double bye in the district tournament. That guarantees them a spot in the regional tournament. Win 2 games in the district tournament and you win the tournament.
Regionals gets a little easier. 8 teams are in. 4 advance to the state tournament. Win one game in the regionals and you're in. They have a championship game and 3rd place game to determine seedings for the state tournament.
State tournament is single elimination. Win them all (3 or 4 depending on seeding) and you're state champion.
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Quote from: JessieP on February 08, 2019, 10:28:45 pm
Thank you. So Batesville can't really rest the starters in District, seeding is important. I'm guessing were a good 3 weeks from Hot Springs?
I wouldn't think they would. Yea, state championship isn't until next month.
I hardly agree with AAA but in this case it's the easiest way to get the state tournament down to a manageable size.
Whereas in 5A-7A in the past it made sense to hop right into State, but with so many teams it's logical to have a regional tournament.
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
Amen
Compare it to a region in NCAA. There is away to do it without a "regional tournament". It will still have some unhappy teams.
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
You do have teams, though, that make deep runs and I would say have won championships that weren't the outright conference, district, and regional winner. It gives teams a chance like a .500 team winning a conference tourney and getting an automatic bid in the NCAAT.
Quote from: ZoneBuster on February 09, 2019, 07:45:31 am
You do have teams, though, that make deep runs and I would say have won championships that weren't the outright conference, district, and regional winner. It gives teams a chance like a .500 team winning a conference tourney and getting an automatic bid in the NCAAT.
You could definitely do away with a lot games and shorten it up big time. Similar to Missouri, only the district winner advances, then you would play one regional game since you're down to 8 then those winners would be your final 4. Could make the final 4 a bigger deal. Would cut a lot of games, eliminate most "Cinderella" runs.
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
I'd be for cutting district tournaments before region tournaments
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 09, 2019, 08:19:19 am
I'd be for cutting district tournaments before region tournaments
Same. You're seeing some conferences doing that too.
I enjoy the current format.. More kids get to participate in post season play and more teams get the opportunity to play in big games for hardware and letter jacket patches.. I think that winning a regional tournament quarter final game to qualify for a state tournament berth is a memory that many kids will look back on and enjoy.
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
As far as the AAA is concerned, your last thing on the list is all they care about. They keep 100% of the gate at every regional and state tournament game. They could care less about missed classes, gas money etc. They just need their cut so they can make sure no player ever rolls up his shorts!😉😉
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Regional Tournament is absolutely NOT necessary... this goes for basketball and baseball. Only thing it really does is eliminate half the teams...the same thing a first round of a state tournament would do. But it does cost several teams extra trips, more missed class, and their parents more missed work, more gas money, more money eating out, and admission cost.
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As they stand now, regionals are really pointless. Back when only 2 of the 8 teams advanced to state, they served a much greater purpose.
I think the way it is currently gets the best teams to the finals. Region does it's job of weeding out a down conference and allows a chance for a strong conference to advance more teams. Who the heck wants less games in basketball.
Quote from: Ice Water on February 11, 2019, 09:42:58 am
As they stand now, regionals are really pointless. Back when only 2 of the 8 teams advanced to state, they served a much greater purpose.
That still happens in lower classifications.
Quote from: J12 on February 11, 2019, 11:44:40 am
That still happens in lower classifications.
No it doesn't
Quote from: J12 on February 11, 2019, 11:44:40 am
That still happens in lower classifications.
Hasn't happened in 10+ years...
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 11, 2019, 01:05:47 pm
Hasn't happened in 10+ years...
Odd. I remember when Riverside was making a run to state, the year it was at Bald Knob a few years ago, and thought they had to make the championships in Regionals.
Maybe it was for seeding purposes.
JessieP, you're not alone on trying to figure out the 4-A scheme of things. We still have Spring sports to get through pretty soon too.
Quote from: J12 on February 11, 2019, 01:10:43 pm
Odd. I remember when Riverside was making a run to state, the year it was at Bald Knob a few years ago, and thought they had to make the championships in Regionals.
Maybe it was for seeding purposes.
Probably a better draw if they made top 2 or something....Not sure when it changed from top 2 though(1A did have a span where top 3 made state, with a rotating region getting to send 4)
What I dislike about the system is you can have a losing postseason record and still advance to state by simply winning the "right" games. In other systems, you lose once, you're done.
Quote from: friscokid on February 11, 2019, 09:37:32 pm
What I dislike about the system is you can have a losing postseason record and still advance to state by simply winning the "right" games. In other systems, you lose once, you're done.
Well we've seen 0-10 teams make football playoffs....Haven't seen any winless teams in the state tournament field from other sports yet
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 11, 2019, 09:40:34 pm
Well we've seen 0-10 teams make football playoffs....Haven't seen any winless teams in the state tournament field from other sports yet
Just doesn't make sense that an 0-10 team can make the playoffs though or 1-10,2-8,3-7,or 4-6 for that matter
So now that we have District over with and us fans from the 5A are still learning, we need to talk about what's coming up. When we play Regionals, how many teams, from that, go to the playoffs? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc place? Then do the playoffs proceed normally like we did in the 5A?
Some of the fans from Batesville and here were talking earlier in the season during local tournies that they used shot clocks. Will they be doing that on the Regionals or playoffs?
Win one game in regionals and you make it to state. Lose and go home.
Guaranteed 2 games in regionals if you win the first.
Win next game and you play for championship. There is a 3rd place game as well.
State tournament is same as usual (single elimination). There will be byes for every winner of the regionals.
No shot clocks (to the dismay of another thread).
Quote from: Go Postal on February 18, 2019, 06:47:01 pm
So now that we have District over with and us fans from the 5A are still learning, we need to talk about what's coming up. When we play Regionals, how many teams, from that, go to the playoffs? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc place? Then do the playoffs proceed normally like we did in the 5A?
Some of the fans from Batesville and here were talking earlier in the season during local tournies that they used shot clocks. Will they be doing that on the Regionals or playoffs?
Been a long time between posts, but gotta start back somewhere.
Here goes:
- State tourneys have 16-team brackets
- You're used to 16 teams making state tournament
- Only 12 make it for 4A and below
- 24 teams make regionals; after Thursday's games there will be 12 teams left which will make up state tourney field. Friday and Saturday games will play for Regional Championships and consolation.
So "10 days after regular season ends" there are only 24 teams left.
You're used to 4 5A conferences of eight teams (40 schools) and there are 6 4A Districts (conferences) with approx. 48 (it used to be 48 exactly when AAA had 8 teams in each league). Rather than sending 24 teams to state tourney, Regionals are used to pair down before you get to state.
Different and confusing for those who have been 5A and above traditionally. But hey, who are we kidding, It could be different again after 2019-20.
Quote from: clarkcounty on February 18, 2019, 11:34:35 pm
Been a long time between posts, but gotta start back somewhere.
Here goes:
- State tourneys have 16-team brackets
- You're used to 16 teams making state tournament
- Only 12 make it for 4A and below
- 24 teams make regionals; after Thursday's games there will be 12 teams left which will make up state tourney field. Friday and Saturday games will play for Regional Championships and consolation.
So "10 days after regular season ends" there are only 24 teams left.
You're used to 4 5A conferences of eight teams (40 schools) and there are 6 4A Districts (conferences) with approx. 48 (it used to be 48 exactly when AAA had 8 teams in each league). Rather than sending 24 teams to state tourney, Regionals are used to pair down before you get to state.
Different and confusing for those who have been 5A and above traditionally. But hey, who are we kidding, It could be different again after 2019-20.
Very different! Thanks for the breakdown. People like me, Jessie, and Postal can't follow these things well.
Now let me get this straight, you
(https://www.ukuleleyes.com/issues/vol10/no4/feature/Lime_in_the_Coconut-200.gif)
Only us old guys on here will get this and now the song is stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Go Postal on February 19, 2019, 12:52:45 pm
Now let me get this straight, you
(https://www.ukuleleyes.com/issues/vol10/no4/feature/Lime_in_the_Coconut-200.gif)
Only us old guys on here will get this and now the song is stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: clarkcounty on February 18, 2019, 11:34:35 pm
Been a long time between posts, but gotta start back somewhere.
Here goes:
- State tourneys have 16-team brackets
- You're used to 16 teams making state tournament
- Only 12 make it for 4A and below
- 24 teams make regionals; after Thursday's games there will be 12 teams left which will make up state tourney field. Friday and Saturday games will play for Regional Championships and consolation.
So "10 days after regular season ends" there are only 24 teams left.
You're used to 4 5A conferences of eight teams (40 schools) and there are 6 4A Districts (conferences) with approx. 48 (it used to be 48 exactly when AAA had 8 teams in each league). Rather than sending 24 teams to state tourney, Regionals are used to pair down before you get to state.
Different and confusing for those who have been 5A and above traditionally. But hey, who are we kidding, It could be different again after 2019-20.
Actually, 16 teams make it in 3A, 2A and 1A. Each of those classifications has four regions, where Class 4A just has three regions.
Ok, Go Postal , you have just officially made my day! Not!! Showed your post to the wife and she played the dang song. I have nightmares tonight.
The YouTube video for that song will have you rolling on the floor, thanks Postal for bringing some laughter to my day