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Title: Berryville
Post by: xcat on March 20, 2017, 10:10:25 am
Ad on schoolspring for a head football coach. I saw some video on them. Tiny, but had some fight in them last season in one game that I watched, but some other videos were painful to watch. A whole lot of quit going on less than a second after the ball was snapped - the O-line was a sieve.

Anyone else have any info about the job, team, atmosphere, etc.?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: The Coach on March 20, 2017, 06:09:02 pm
Not a good job in any way
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: xcat on March 21, 2017, 07:38:01 am
Explain?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Fife2 on March 21, 2017, 09:26:25 am
From what I heard, the band is more popular than football team. The band doesn't play at halftime rather they play after the game. Low numbers versus teams like Shiloh, Gravette, pea Ridge, prairie grove etc... fight for fifth every year. No much support in a tough conference
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: we_hate_the_band on March 21, 2017, 11:00:03 am
Have a three year plan and a quality exit strategy.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nchan on March 21, 2017, 11:06:03 am
I wonder if the pay is good, it is a great part of the state...that counts, right?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: xcat on March 21, 2017, 11:22:28 am
Quote from: Fife2 on March 21, 2017, 09:26:25 am
From what I heard, the band is more popular than football team. The band doesn't play at halftime rather they play after the game. Low numbers versus teams like Shiloh, Gravette, pea Ridge, prairie grove etc... fight for fifth every year. No much support in a tough conference

You're not kidding. From the band's website: "The Berryville Band program ​is comprised of approximately 320 musicians in grades six through twelve."
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: prHOG13 on March 21, 2017, 03:57:49 pm
They're also on the verge of being bumped to 5A. Just not a lot of football talent in that county
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on March 21, 2017, 05:31:02 pm
Quote from: nchan on March 21, 2017, 11:06:03 am
I wonder if the pay is good, it is a great part of the state...that counts, right?

Berryville is an awful part of the state and there is no culture whatsoever.... It is over 1 hour and 15 minutes to the NWA cities and there are no jobs in Carroll County unless you want to work in a terrible working environment. I'll be the first to say it. The small towns in the 1-4A located near Fayetteville and Bentonville hate traveling out to Berryville for road games. That tells you something.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2017, 07:57:09 am
Quote from: beach bum on March 21, 2017, 05:31:02 pm
Berryville is an awful part of the state and there is no culture whatsoever.... It is over 1 hour and 15 minutes to the NWA cities and there are no jobs in Carroll County unless you want to work in a terrible working environment. I'll be the first to say it. The small towns in the 1-4A located near Fayetteville and Bentonville hate traveling out to Berryville for road games. That tells you something.

What exactly does it tell us? That they hate an hour road trip or they hate poor people?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on March 22, 2017, 09:11:43 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2017, 07:57:09 am
What exactly does it tell us? That they hate an hour road trip or they hate poor people?

I don't think it has anything to do with being poor.... Most people who do not have a lot of money still know how to conduct themselves in a professional manner on a daily basis. The adults there behave worse than the children in the student section the times I have been there in the past.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 22, 2017, 09:24:54 am
Quote from: beach bum on March 22, 2017, 09:11:43 am
I don't think it has anything to do with being poor.... Most people who do not have a lot of money still know how to conduct themselves in a professional manner on a daily basis. The adults there behave worse than the children in the student section the times I have been there in the past.

Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: prHOG13 on March 22, 2017, 05:43:02 pm
Our Jr High fans got egged twice by fans driving by behind the visitor stands in Berryville, which was nice.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on March 23, 2017, 08:10:36 am
Quote from: prHOG13 on March 22, 2017, 05:43:02 pm
Our Jr High fans got egged twice by fans driving by behind the visitor stands in Berryville, which was nice.

Eggs? People are getting soft. When I was in school it was bricks thrown at the bus...but this was in south AR.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: we_hate_the_band on March 23, 2017, 09:32:52 am
Quote from: prHOG13 on March 22, 2017, 05:43:02 pm
Our Jr High fans got egged twice by fans driving by behind the visitor stands in Berryville, which was nice.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice....
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jack1990 on March 23, 2017, 11:33:49 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 23, 2017, 08:10:36 am
Eggs? People are getting soft. When I was in school it was bricks thrown at the bus...but this was in south AR.
Experienced that myself...rode home with glass in our seats. I would have taken egged any day instead of that.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on March 23, 2017, 01:13:07 pm
Quote from: we_hate_the_band on March 23, 2017, 09:32:52 am
Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice....

Lmbo
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: prHOG13 on March 23, 2017, 09:43:03 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 23, 2017, 08:10:36 am
Eggs? People are getting soft. When I was in school it was bricks thrown at the bus...but this was in south AR.
No complaints here

When life gives you eggs, you scramble them

https://youtu.be/M5wbWEkNqLQ?t=4s
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on March 24, 2017, 04:05:13 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on March 23, 2017, 08:10:36 am
Eggs? People are getting soft. When I was in school it was bricks thrown at the bus...but this was in south AR.

I remember a veteran basketball coach once telling me that Eudora fans once turned over his bus!   

Don't know the details or even if it was true but when he drove us to the football game he stayed in the drivers seat of the bus during the game  with a white knuckle grip on the steering wheel.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Arkansauce on March 27, 2017, 10:42:24 am
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on March 24, 2017, 04:05:13 pm
I remember a veteran basketball coach once telling me that Eudora fans once turned over his bus!   

Don't know the details or even if it was true but when he drove us to the football game he stayed in the drivers seat of the bus during the game  with a white knuckle grip on the steering wheel.
Probably was true!!! Badger Pride!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on March 27, 2017, 01:53:59 pm
Them stories ain´t much. My dad graduated from Oak Ridge Central (school that doesnt exist any more, was in Ravenden Springs, about 20 minutes north of Pocahontas) and he played basketball there in the 80s. He has told me a story before about how people from Clover Bend, also when they still had a school, literally destroyed the schoolś only girls bathroom. And almost turned over ORC´s bus. It was just a bunch of rednecks if you know this part of the country.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on March 28, 2017, 11:51:22 am
Any movement on this yet? Have they begun interviews?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on March 28, 2017, 01:00:39 pm
Quote from: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on March 27, 2017, 01:53:59 pm
Them stories ain´t much. My dad graduated from Oak Ridge Central (school that doesnt exist any more, was in Ravenden Springs, about 20 minutes north of Pocahontas) and he played basketball there in the 80s. He has told me a story before about how people from Clover Bend, also when they still had a school, literally destroyed the schoolś only girls bathroom. And almost turned over ORC´s bus. It was just a bunch of rednecks if you know this part of the country.
He should be glad the boys didn't get involved.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SaintsRow123 on March 28, 2017, 01:04:58 pm
I heard that interviews have not started. I also heard that they actually have quite a few applicants, looks like someone wants to be the savior over there! They had a great 7th grade group this year who beat the brakes off our Saints and I think every other team in the conference, plus their Jr. High had some good athletes, 2 that i remember who could start for any other team. One was a super fast kid and the other ran the ball extremely hard. Looks like they just need some big boys to go with some of their skilled guys to make a run at that 5th spot in my opinion.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on March 28, 2017, 04:40:36 pm
Quote from: SaintsRow123 on March 28, 2017, 01:04:58 pm
I heard that interviews have not started. I also heard that they actually have quite a few applicants,  They had a great 7th grade group this year who beat the brakes off our Saints and I think every other team in the conference,

I heard some of this stuff after lunch today.  Also heard some NWA coaches from some very successful schools are on the list of applicants.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: esgibson00 on March 31, 2017, 11:51:40 am
Just read a list of candidates for the Berryville job...any of these guys legitimate candidates?

The following is a list of current applicants:

• Terry Turner of Rogers

• William Cox of Highland, Ill.

• Cleophus Lane of Memphis, Tenn.

• Bruce Munden of Haileyville, Okla.

• Jason McClendon of Houston, Texas

• Anthony Coffey of Green Forest

• Patrick Cantrell of Russellville

• Max Washausen of Prairie Grove

• Jacob Meyers of Berryville

• Jantzen Bradford of Fulton, Mo.

• Craig Laird of Farmington

• Brett Shrable of Jonesboro

• Deerick Smith of Manila

• Tyler Dorton of Fayetteville
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SaintsRow123 on March 31, 2017, 12:13:55 pm
Quote from: esgibson00 on March 31, 2017, 11:51:40 am
Just read a list of candidates for the Berryville job...any of these guys legitimate candidates?

The following is a list of current applicants:

• Terry Turner of Rogers

• William Cox of Highland, Ill.

• Cleophus Lane of Memphis, Tenn.

• Bruce Munden of Haileyville, Okla.

• Jason McClendon of Houston, Texas

• Anthony Coffey of Green Forest

• Patrick Cantrell of Russellville

• Max Washausen of Prairie Grove

• Jacob Meyers of Berryville

• Jantzen Bradford of Fulton, Mo.

• Craig Laird of Farmington

• Brett Shrable of Jonesboro

• Deerick Smith of Manila

• Tyler Dorton of Fayetteville


Laird is a huge applicant for the job in my opinion, being part of the successful Prairie Grove system for many years.  Would be a good hire especially being familiar with the conference and the opponents
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: southarkdaddy on March 31, 2017, 01:11:43 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on March 28, 2017, 04:40:36 pm
I heard some of this stuff after lunch today.  Also heard some NWA coaches from some very successful schools are on the list of applicants.

Thats interesting considering the perception of Berryville from this thread.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on March 31, 2017, 06:07:32 pm
Quote from: SaintsRow123 on March 31, 2017, 12:13:55 pm

Laird is a huge applicant for the job in my opinion, being part of the successful Prairie Grove system for many years.  Would be a good hire especially being familiar with the conference and the opponents

Laird would be the best option Berryville could get. He is a proven winner, great coach, and great person at Prairie Grove. I am actually shocked he applied considering I feel he would be more deserving than a place like Berryville(not meant to be a diss to Berryville)... just saying he deserves an even better job than Berryville IMO. What makes Prairie Grove so great is they win with just FOUR COACHES! Abshier is the HC, but Laird deserves a lot of credit with the PG program. PG essentially has 2 or even 3 guys roaming their sidelines at all times who could be a head coach but stayed at PG and their loyalty has paid dividends for that program. Laird and Elder have been HC's in their younger days and their 4th coach they had a couple years ago is a HC currently at a lower classification school. That is a great staff. Lincoln administration needed their heads examined when they hired Davenport over Laird a few years back. Luckily, Lincoln got that huge mistake fixed when they landed Coach Harrison after Davenport departed after one year. Berryville seems pretty dang lucky if you ask me cause there are a few names on that list that they would be absolutely lucky to land and especially Laird!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: we_hate_the_band on March 31, 2017, 08:06:08 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 31, 2017, 06:07:32 pm
Laird would be the best option Berryville could get. He is a proven winner, great coach, and great person at Prairie Grove. I am actually shocked he applied considering I feel he would be more deserving than a place like Berryville(not meant to be a diss to Berryville)... just saying he deserves an even better job than Berryville IMO. What makes Prairie Grove so great is they win with just FOUR COACHES! Abshier is the HC, but Laird deserves a lot of credit with the PG program. PG essentially has 2 or even 3 guys roaming their sidelines at all times who could be a head coach but stayed at PG and their loyalty has paid dividends for that program. Laird and Elder have been HC's in their younger days and their 4th coach they had a couple years ago is a HC currently at a lower classification school. That is a great staff. Lincoln administration needed their heads examined when they hired Davenport over Laird a few years back. Luckily, Lincoln got that huge mistake fixed when they landed Coach Harrison after Davenport departed after one year. Berryville seems pretty dang lucky if you ask me cause there are a few names on that list that they would be absolutely lucky to land and especially Laird!

In other words you want Max to get the job?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on March 31, 2017, 10:04:16 pm
Quote from: esgibson00 on March 31, 2017, 11:51:40 am
Just read a list of candidates for the Berryville job...any of these guys legitimate candidates?

The following is a list of current applicants:

• Terry Turner of Rogers

• William Cox of Highland, Ill.

• Cleophus Lane of Memphis, Tenn.

• Bruce Munden of Haileyville, Okla.

• Jason McClendon of Houston, Texas

• Anthony Coffey of Green Forest

• Patrick Cantrell of Russellville

• Max Washausen of Prairie Grove

• Jacob Meyers of Berryville

• Jantzen Bradford of Fulton, Mo.

• Craig Laird of Farmington

• Brett Shrable of Jonesboro

• Deerick Smith of Manila

• Tyler Dorton of Fayetteville

Isn't Laird from Prairie Grove, and Dorton from Lincoln?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on March 31, 2017, 10:04:41 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 31, 2017, 06:07:32 pm
Laird would be the best option Berryville could get. He is a proven winner, great coach, and great person at Prairie Grove. I am actually shocked he applied considering I feel he would be more deserving than a place like Berryville(not meant to be a diss to Berryville)... just saying he deserves an even better job than Berryville IMO. What makes Prairie Grove so great is they win with just FOUR COACHES! Abshier is the HC, but Laird deserves a lot of credit with the PG program. PG essentially has 2 or even 3 guys roaming their sidelines at all times who could be a head coach but stayed at PG and their loyalty has paid dividends for that program. Laird and Elder have been HC's in their younger days and their 4th coach they had a couple years ago is a HC currently at a lower classification school. That is a great staff. Lincoln administration needed their heads examined when they hired Davenport over Laird a few years back. Luckily, Lincoln got that huge mistake fixed when they landed Coach Harrison after Davenport departed after one year. Berryville seems pretty dang lucky if you ask me cause there are a few names on that list that they would be absolutely lucky to land and especially Laird!

You sure took a swipe at Berryville.  Looks like Laird thought Berryville was worth his time even if you don't.  Lincoln may have made a mistake by not hiring Laird, but hiring Davenport wasn't it. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on April 01, 2017, 09:56:22 am
Whats the story on the folks on that list?  Who coaches what, where and what is their history? 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SaintsRow123 on April 03, 2017, 01:05:56 pm
Quote from: beach bum on March 31, 2017, 06:07:32 pm
Laird would be the best option Berryville could get. He is a proven winner, great coach, and great person at Prairie Grove. I am actually shocked he applied considering I feel he would be more deserving than a place like Berryville(not meant to be a diss to Berryville)... just saying he deserves an even better job than Berryville IMO. What makes Prairie Grove so great is they win with just FOUR COACHES! Abshier is the HC, but Laird deserves a lot of credit with the PG program. PG essentially has 2 or even 3 guys roaming their sidelines at all times who could be a head coach but stayed at PG and their loyalty has paid dividends for that program. Laird and Elder have been HC's in their younger days and their 4th coach they had a couple years ago is a HC currently at a lower classification school. That is a great staff. Lincoln administration needed their heads examined when they hired Davenport over Laird a few years back. Luckily, Lincoln got that huge mistake fixed when they landed Coach Harrison after Davenport departed after one year. Berryville seems pretty dang lucky if you ask me cause there are a few names on that list that they would be absolutely lucky to land and especially Laird!


Like I said earlier, Berryville's younger classes look to be good coming up, if they have the right program and head coach behind them they could make some noise when they get older. IMO its not about winning 10 games at Berryville right now, its about winning 5 or 6 and making the state tournament again. I believe they could possibly do this and probably would've this year with the right man behind the wheel, they had some talent. I have friends over that way and they are all about some football just been lacking with hiring the right man to restart the program. They will hurt next year because of a new head coach and they lost 10 or so seniors looks like from their roster. Bashing Berryville isn't right IMO, and it might come back to haunt you in the future, you never know. Coaches can turn programs around and can make a huge difference. Some of those kids that quit or big boys walking the halls might decide to come back out for football with a new spark in the program. Laird I think would be able to do this for them and is the homerun hire from the list I saw. You think he deserves better, what was his record as a head coach before? Hasn't been in alittle while, time to prove himself again and its the perfect situation to prove you can really turn a program around and make something out of nothing. Our conference just will get that much better with the hire of Laird over there. Great for the 4A-1.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 04, 2017, 12:14:35 am
They should look towards  someone who has experience with turning a program around and creating a winning atmosphere.  It will not be an easy fix. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: fromthehills on April 04, 2017, 06:34:24 am
Looks like a good list

Quote from: esgibson00 on March 31, 2017, 11:51:40 am
Just read a list of candidates for the Berryville job...any of these guys legitimate candidates?

The following is a list of current applicants:

• Terry Turner of Rogers

• William Cox of Highland, Ill.

• Cleophus Lane of Memphis, Tenn.

• Bruce Munden of Haileyville, Okla.

• Jason McClendon of Houston, Texas

• Anthony Coffey of Green Forest

• Patrick Cantrell of Russellville

• Max Washausen of Prairie Grove

• Jacob Meyers of Berryville

• Jantzen Bradford of Fulton, Mo.

• Craig Laird of Farmington

• Brett Shrable of Jonesboro

• Deerick Smith of Manila

• Tyler Dorton of Fayetteville
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 04, 2017, 06:49:10 am
My money is on Cleophus.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 04, 2017, 08:17:20 am
Quote from: Oldman on April 04, 2017, 06:49:10 am
My money is on Cleophus.

This guy?

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Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on April 04, 2017, 09:29:48 am
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on April 04, 2017, 08:17:20 am
This guy?

(https://fauxdiddley.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bluesbrothers.jpg)
Have you SEEEEN the light? All time great movie
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 04, 2017, 01:54:54 pm
Spring ball not too far away, they need to get a guy in there and get started.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 04, 2017, 01:57:37 pm
I wonder if Cleophus has ever been to Berryville? Can you get there from Memphis?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 04, 2017, 07:23:58 pm
Any change Dorton from Lincoln is getting this job? 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 04, 2017, 07:46:57 pm
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on April 04, 2017, 07:23:58 pm
Any change Dorton from Lincoln is getting this job? 
Dorton is no Cleophus.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 04, 2017, 09:13:28 pm
I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 05, 2017, 09:09:22 am
Quote from: Oldman on April 04, 2017, 07:46:57 pm
Dorton is no Cleophus.

Is there a Mrs. Cleo in his life?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Qhcaoc on April 05, 2017, 09:42:30 am
Smith just accepted the job at Augusta
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 07, 2017, 11:09:35 am
How is the job search going for the Bobcats?  There were some pretty good names flying around.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: FBFan92 on April 08, 2017, 05:44:59 pm
I'm hearing they already have there man.  Announcing this week!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 08, 2017, 07:48:45 pm
Got any idea of who. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Tigerdad2 on April 08, 2017, 09:35:05 pm
Laird is the best name on that list.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 09, 2017, 11:01:42 am
Quote from: Tigerdad2 on April 08, 2017, 09:35:05 pm
Laird is the best name on that list.

He would be a good choice but I don't think he's in the running.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: game on on April 09, 2017, 02:39:57 pm
Interviews done?  Hopefully they will get someone with experience and get that program turned around.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 09, 2017, 02:54:17 pm
Quote from: RZback on April 09, 2017, 11:01:42 am
He would be a good choice but I don't think he's in the running.

Too qualified for their liking I guess? What is up with these schools no longer picking the candidate with the best resume and best track record of winning?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 09, 2017, 02:57:45 pm
Quote from: game on on April 09, 2017, 02:39:57 pm
Hopefully they will get someone with EXPERIENCE and get that program turned around.

That would be Laird....
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 09, 2017, 03:42:28 pm
Quote from: beach bum on April 09, 2017, 02:54:17 pm
Too qualified for their liking I guess? What is up with these schools no longer picking the candidate with the best resume and best track record of winning?

Experience creates a problem for some right away.  Experience means they have a way of doing things they like and not necessarily the way things have been getting done. That means some people have to accept change and thats not always want they want.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 09, 2017, 04:10:50 pm
Is the program going to be improved with the 4th new coach in less than 10 years? Spring ball is coming up.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 09, 2017, 05:52:14 pm
Quote from: RZback on April 09, 2017, 03:42:28 pm
Experience creates a problem for some right away.  Experience means they have a way of doing things they like and not necessarily the way things have been getting done. That means some people have to accept change and thats not always want they want.
You would think change would be good in Berryville unless it's the band.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 09, 2017, 06:01:45 pm
The list of applicants is a mix of people with experience and those with not a lot of experience. I never heard what their requirements were.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: PGDefense on April 09, 2017, 07:27:57 pm
I thought word might get out on here but apparently it hasn't. I didn't want to make a big deal out of this but in fairness to Berryville and the criticism that might come about as a result of their decision for the new head coach...I was actually scheduled to interview for the position on Tuesday night ( along with other candidates). But I called them back on Monday and asked them to withdraw my name from the list of candidates. And this had nothing to do with anything negative at Berryville. Just wasn't the right move for my family. I wish Berryville good luck.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 09, 2017, 07:39:57 pm
Had heard that but assumed it was a rumor.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 09, 2017, 08:55:14 pm
Not sure it would've mattered who pulled out. Think they had a guy in mind all along. He'd be a big hire for them, Just a matter whether he'll accept. And no he's not on that list...
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 09, 2017, 09:07:05 pm
Quote from: OfficerHightower on April 09, 2017, 08:55:14 pm
Not sure it would've mattered who pulled out. Think they had a guy in mind all along. He'd be a big hire for them, Just a matter whether he'll accept. And no he's not on that list...

I think Laird was on the top of that list before he pulled out and there have been a few other names floating around, some not on the list so its hard to tell what may happened.  Hopefully they get a good one.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 09, 2017, 10:44:39 pm
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on March 31, 2017, 10:04:41 pm
You sure took a swipe at Berryville.  Looks like Laird thought Berryville was worth his time even if you don't.  Lincoln may have made a mistake by not hiring Laird, but hiring Davenport wasn't it.

It isn't taking a swipe at Berryville. It is called the reality of the situation that they are in the 1-4A with three other schools that are near the top of 4A on a routine basis now in Prairie Grove, Pea Ridge, and Shiloh Christian and the shear fact of where they are geographically compared to the other seven schools which creates a different type of economic/social demographic which is tied to athletic and academic success so often and that is proven with data too. I don't care who is coaching Berryville they will have a hard time beating those 3 schools. Anyone with some thinking put forth could tell you that..... Coach Laird is one of the best coordinators in the 4A meaning he could have landed some pretty solid 3A or 4A HC jobs if he had wanted to along the way AND that Berryville has to be on the short list of most difficult places to have success in football in the entire 4A. So therefore I just was stating the obvious.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 10, 2017, 08:51:17 am
Quote from: beach bum on April 09, 2017, 02:57:45 pm
That would be Laird....

Has he ever been a HC?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 10, 2017, 10:41:50 am
Let's look at the Hiring Trend for BV:

Ronnie Clark- Hired from Clinton when Moses was a small child

Ben Lairimore- Ronnie Clark Assistant

Carl Owens- Hired from Blytheville?

Doug Scheel- Morrilton via newport via magnolia via Booneville

Bobby Bishop- Longtime BV assistant

Eric Daniel- Mansfield via rison via wynne

Blue Raider AKA Lee Atkins- Out of state

Austin Winters- Hold over from Daniels and Atkins staff.

So... if i were guessing they are bringing the long lost son home.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 10, 2017, 10:52:05 am
Not personal toward Laird, don't know him at all. That'd be my question, any experience beyond Coord experience at 1 4A school? All I am saying is I know 2 names that interviewed that would be much much more experienced hires. Like I said those 2 names you won't find on a list. 1 of which has ties to the area
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: FBFan92 on April 10, 2017, 10:54:59 am
The hire has already been made. Just waiting on board approval.  and I can promise you the name is not on the list.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 10, 2017, 10:58:28 am
Quote from: FBFan92 on April 10, 2017, 10:54:59 am
The hire has already been made. Just waiting on board approval.  and I can promise you the name is not on the list.

I would say you and I both know who it is and it's probably who they should have hired 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 10, 2017, 11:31:39 am
Quote from: FBFan92 on April 10, 2017, 10:54:59 am
The hire has already been made. Just waiting on board approval.  and I can promise you the name is not on the list.
When is the board meeting?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 10, 2017, 12:23:17 pm
Quote from: OfficerHightower on April 10, 2017, 10:52:05 am
Not personal toward Laird, don't know him at all. That'd be my question, any experience beyond Coord experience at 1 4A school? All I am saying is I know 2 names that interviewed that would be much much more experienced hires. Like I said those 2 names you won't find on a list. 1 of which has ties to the area

If I remember correctly when he was young and upcoming he was HC at Palestine Wheatley and West Fork... And spent time as an assistant at Nashville. Don't quote that as 100% holy truth but I am fairly sure. So he has plenty of experience.  He is however "just a coordinator" of a team with 54 wins in the last 5 years with just one DI signing. Laird is an extremely humble person, but the PG people will tell you how lucky they are to have him and the other coaches they have. So would you rather have a guy who was HC of a team that was 8-42 over that same stretch just because he was a head coach? PG routinely has a top defense with less talent than plenty of other top 4A programs. Honestly though, schools now are so cheap and just want young guys who they can pay 10-15K less per year most of the time anyway just like in the corporate world too now. It isn't even about getting the best coach anymore at these lower tier schools of any classification. It is about schools being too cheap just like the rest of the working world too.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 10, 2017, 12:57:47 pm
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 10, 2017, 10:58:28 am
I would say you and I both know who it is and it's probably who they should have hired 4 years ago.

So is this a favorite son hire or a turn the program around hire.  BV had an opportunity to get a solid coach but for some reason he pulled out.  Nothing against anyone but BV has struggled too long.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on April 10, 2017, 01:16:58 pm
Quote from: OfficerHightower on April 10, 2017, 10:52:05 am
Not personal toward Laird, don't know him at all. That'd be my question, any experience beyond Coord experience at 1 4A school? All I am saying is I know 2 names that interviewed that would be much much more experienced hires. Like I said those 2 names you won't find on a list. 1 of which has ties to the area
Laird was a head coach before coming to PG.  Don't know much about his success but he has a proven record as a DC at Prairie Grove.  He would be or would have been a good choice.  As for others who would be better maybe maybe not. But we can hope they get a good one. They need an experienced coach and one who understands small schools and the pitfalls that go with it. If they don't get experience they need a guy who understands defense, Laird would have been that guy for sure.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 10, 2017, 01:42:46 pm
Still pulling for Cleophus. Berryville needs a big name hire.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SUGARTOWN on April 10, 2017, 01:53:56 pm
Quote from: Oldman on April 10, 2017, 01:42:46 pm
Still pulling for Cleophus. Berryville needs a big name hire.

No matter who it is, several people on here will say this is either a "great hire" or a "home run hire". This is said on almost every coaching hire throughout the classes on Fearless.


Spoiler alert: They're not ALL great.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 10, 2017, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on April 10, 2017, 01:53:56 pm
No matter who it is, several people on here will say this is either a "great hire" or a "home run hire". This is said on almost every coaching hire throughout the classes on Fearless.


Spoiler alert: They're not ALL great.

True.   I have heard a few names that are not on  the list and it makes me think if they were true or just idle gossip. A couple sounded like good picks.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 10, 2017, 10:17:30 pm
Wow! Guess I stirred up a baby hornets nest of PG faithful! Already said it was nothing personal toward Laird. Only made a factual statement that a couple of guys that were interviewed where much more experienced. And with yalls info, confirmed it. These 2 I'm talking about have Coord experience at  small and big schools, and under some big name HCs.
As far as the "favorite son" hire? If you meant that as being negative your ignorant of the facts.  There was a qualified applicant that did have a Dad that coached there, 1 of only 2 coaches in program history that actually had a real winning season, meaning they also won a playoff game. Something even the mighty PG used to have a trouble doing. I remember many years seeing a great reg season record only to host a 1st round loss... anyway Berryville can be competitive again, hopefully this hire will be a big step in that direction!!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 09:03:36 am
So when does Carl Owens Jr. start?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SaintsRow123 on April 11, 2017, 09:28:39 am
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 09:03:36 am
So when does Carl Owens Jr. start?


He was on the short list, but was ruled out yesterday is what my friend who knows him personally said. He received the call yesterday afternoon. I know the last 2 left they were very impressed with and they are not on the list everyone has seen. One is from a bigger northwest Arkansas school and the other is from a town where the springs are hot from my understanding. Word is he will be starting in time for spring ball.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 11, 2017, 09:33:46 am
Gotta be Cleophus. We're talking a guru whose offense's could not be stopped when he was at West Memphis.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Beaver Fever on April 11, 2017, 12:09:23 pm
Hot Springs?????? ::)
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: SaintsRow123 on April 11, 2017, 01:09:04 pm
Quote from: Beaver Fever on April 11, 2017, 12:09:23 pm
Hot Springs?????? ::)

Thats what I have heard from friends who know a lot of coaches. That is rumor though, you never know.  ::)
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 01:20:26 pm
Quote from: SaintsRow123 on April 11, 2017, 09:28:39 am

He was on the short list, but was ruled out yesterday is what my friend who knows him personally said. He received the call yesterday afternoon. I know the last 2 left they were very impressed with and they are not on the list everyone has seen. One is from a bigger northwest Arkansas school and the other is from a town where the springs are hot from my understanding. Word is he will be starting in time for spring ball.

What kind of idiot would leave Hot Springs for the land of chicken houses and tyson debone?

Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on April 11, 2017, 01:33:59 pm
Sounds like a Good hire coming. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 11, 2017, 01:35:43 pm
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 01:20:26 pm
What kind of idiot would leave Hot Springs for the land of chicken houses and tyson debone?

Tyson is a garbage company.... They are always being hit with ethics violations, and the people in suits & ties at home office run that corporation shady to say the least.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 01:43:55 pm
Quote from: beach bum on April 11, 2017, 01:35:43 pm
Tyson is a garbage company.... They are always being hit with ethics violations and the people in suits at home office run that corporation shady to say the least.

Let it be noted that Beach Bum let us know how he really felt about a fortune 500 company on 4/11/2017 at 1:35 pm. An uber will be stopping by your house to pick you up and take you to XNA where you will fly to Chicago on United's new "fightclub" Airbus.

Have a wonderful day!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 11, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
Quote from: beach bum on April 11, 2017, 01:35:43 pm
Tyson is a garbage company.... They are always being hit with ethics violations, and the people in suits & ties at home office run that corporation shady to say the least.
So why did they fire you?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on April 11, 2017, 02:47:04 pm
Beach Bum doesn't have much good to say unless its about PG.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: game on on April 11, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
Sounds like Berryville made a move in the right direction.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: prHOG13 on April 11, 2017, 03:25:19 pm
Quote from: Oldman on April 11, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
So why did they fire you?
Shouldn't be hard to guess
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: we_hate_the_band on April 11, 2017, 08:43:08 pm
Quote from: prHOG13 on April 11, 2017, 03:25:19 pm
Shouldn't be hard to guess

He threw eggs at you twice?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: prHOG13 on April 11, 2017, 09:55:49 pm
Quote from: we_hate_the_band on April 11, 2017, 08:43:08 pm
He threw eggs at you twice?
he doesn't have the arm strength
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 12, 2017, 10:11:24 am
If the word out there is correct looks like BV made a good choice, experience and leadership, and is moving toward a better football program. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: beach bum on April 12, 2017, 10:26:40 am
Quote from: Oldman on April 11, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
So why did they fire you?

Obviously never worked there. Not that hard, every week you open the newspaper it has another article on Tyson being hit with ethics/work place violations. There are still a few people here and there in my generation that stills reads the newspaper. I try to get my information from more than just Fox News. Their headline would read "Crybaby employees question why they need food and water during their 8 hour shift because that is asking for way too much"
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on April 12, 2017, 10:57:36 am
Quote from: beach bum on April 12, 2017, 10:26:40 am
Obviously never worked there. Not that hard, every week you open the newspaper it has another article on Tyson being hit with ethics/work place violations. There are still a few people here and there in my generation that stills reads the newspaper. I try to get my information from more than just Fox News. Their headline would read "Crybaby employees question why they need food and water during their 8 hour shift because that is asking for way too much"
I still read the paper everyday also. Aren't the people on Fox news wanting to get rid of most of those Tyson employees?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on April 12, 2017, 11:07:23 am
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 11, 2017, 01:20:26 pm
What kind of idiot would leave Hot Springs for the land of chicken houses and tyson debone?



Hopefully one that is a go getter.  I hear good things and maybe BV can make a big move.  They have made some improvement the last couple of years but maybe this will get them over the hump.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 12, 2017, 11:21:17 am
The Bobcats need some strong defense. If they can stop people they will win more games.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: FBFan92 on April 13, 2017, 08:35:46 am
Today is the day it will be announced....
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Kraig Crist on April 13, 2017, 08:55:19 am
Quote from: FBFan92 on April 13, 2017, 08:35:46 am
Today is the day it will be announced....

Want me to go ahead and start the thread for Berryville Coach Search 2020?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: FBFan92 on April 13, 2017, 09:12:16 am
 :) :)
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 13, 2017, 08:55:19 am
Want me to go ahead and start the thread for Berryville Coach Search 2020?
LOL!!!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 13, 2017, 04:21:06 pm
Quote from: FBFan92 on April 13, 2017, 09:12:16 am
:) :)LOL!!!

Lets wait and see it the new coach makes a difference.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Brian G on April 13, 2017, 08:15:02 pm
http://www.carrollconews.com/story/2402308.html

Word is it won't official until Monday after Easter.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 13, 2017, 09:48:35 pm
Well, I had heard this was already decided.  Odd mix of candidates.  Just shows you never know.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: hogalum05 on April 14, 2017, 10:23:09 am
Rember 4years ago? It was Owens' job till Adkins swooped in. I Said then Ol BHS was making a mistake, and they were. I've heard many in that town say it won't happen again. As Asst HC, strength coach, and D.C. At a 6A school pretty sure he'd take a pay cut to take this one though. He just missed getting the Sheridan job, how'd you like to go from maybe making 80k to maybe making 55-60k.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on April 14, 2017, 12:09:37 pm
So was a coach hired or not.  I hear the new coach was on campus yesterday.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Idoknow on April 14, 2017, 02:00:28 pm
Your new coach is coming from H.S. high. Already turned in resignation and was the OC!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: FBFan92 on April 14, 2017, 03:43:06 pm
His name is Doug Shot.  And he is a great man and a even better coach!! 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 14, 2017, 07:50:25 pm
So sounds like decision has been made, contrary to news paper.  Many say Shot is a good coach so certainly don't want to disrespect him but do want to compare these two. Owens - been a Coord since he started Coaching I think. Short but successful start at Mashall, several years at MH, whose middle of the road in the 6A east. And then the last few years at improved Sheridan, that plays in the 6A South/central. Now Shot has been at Hot Spring and previously Boonvile?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OverPrivileged on April 14, 2017, 09:58:47 pm
Quote from: OfficerHightower on April 14, 2017, 07:50:25 pm
So sounds like decision has been made, contrary to news paper.  Many say Shot is a good coach so certainly don't want to disrespect him but do want to compare these two. Owens - been a Coord since he started Coaching I think. Short but successful start at Mashall, several years at MH, whose middle of the road in the 6A east. And then the last few years at improved Sheridan, that plays in the 6A South/central. Now Shot has been at Hot Spring and previously Boonvile?

your information sounds...how do you say...incorrect.  Owens...was an assistant, just an assistant, for most of his career not a coordinator.  MH i think he was a defensive assistant, and that was under the regime with Benji Mahan that got released...Sheridan went from 5-6 in 2015 to 1-9 in 2016 with him as DC...and Marshal... 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: hogalum05 on April 14, 2017, 11:23:06 pm
Quote from: vegasbobcat on April 14, 2017, 09:58:47 pm
your information sounds...how do you say...incorrect.  Owens...was an assistant, just an assistant, for most of his career not a coordinator.  MH i think he was a defensive assistant, and that was under the regime with Benji Mahan that got released...Sheridan went from 5-6 in 2015 to 1-9 in 2016 with him as DC...and Marshal... 
Wow I did some homework and for such confidence you sure are so, well... wrong. That's embarrassing.. Hightower is actually much more informed than you.  not that it matters but I'm going to help. Owens started as an off Coord at Marshall who in his last year with the program was near the top of the state in nearly every Off statistic. Rewrote every record Mrshall had with a school best 10-1 record, beaten by the eventue state champ rose bud. MH-was hired by Shane Patrick (not Benji Mahan) work with him for a couple years till he moved on to Springdale. Enter Benji... stayed on for a few more years. Total Time at MH-5 years- he coach both sides, special teams Coord and maybe def Coord for a year or 2. moved on to Sheridan to work for Louis Campbell. Hired as LB coach in 14'  then promoted to S&C and Def Coord in 2015. And in 1 of the few things you got right the team did go 5-6 making it to the playoffs. Only to loose a competitive game vs Russellville. In 16' he was promoted to Asst HC and SHS did go 1-9, missing 3 conf wins by a total like 9 pts. As for now He is 1 of only a few people being retained to the same position by the new Coach.
Now that you have real facts maybe you can compare.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: we_hate_the_band on April 15, 2017, 12:54:35 am
Quote from: vegasbobcat on April 14, 2017, 09:58:47 pm
your information sounds...how do you say...incorrect.  Owens...was an assistant, just an assistant, for most of his career not a coordinator.  MH i think he was a defensive assistant, and that was under the regime with Benji Mahan that got released...Sheridan went from 5-6 in 2015 to 1-9 in 2016 with him as DC...and Marshal...

I'd take a guy that won 10 games at Marshall over a guy that couldn't get to the playoffs at Hot Springs. Marshall probably hasn't won 10 games since he left.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: hogalum05 on April 15, 2017, 09:28:33 am
**Glen Rose. You can look at Marshall wins through the years and see how big a feat that is.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Idoknow on April 15, 2017, 10:44:08 am
Quote from: hogalum05 on April 14, 2017, 11:23:06 pm
Wow I did some homework and for such confidence you sure are so, well... wrong. That's embarrassing.. Hightower is actually much more informed than you.  not that it matters but I'm going to help. Owens started as an off Coord at Marshall who in his last year with the program was near the top of the state in nearly every Off statistic. Rewrote every record Mrshall had with a school best 10-1 record, beaten by the eventue state champ rose bud. MH-was hired by Shane Patrick (not Benji Mahan) work with him for a couple years till he moved on to Springdale. Enter Benji... stayed on for a few more years. Total Time at MH-5 years- he coach both sides, special teams Coord and maybe def Coord for a year or 2. moved on to Sheridan to work for Louis Campbell. Hired as LB coach in 14'  then promoted to S&C and Def Coord in 2015. And in 1 of the few things you got right the team did go 5-6 making it to the playoffs. Only to loose a competitive game vs Russellville. In 16' he was promoted to Asst HC and SHS did go 1-9, missing 3 conf wins by a total like 9 pts. As for now He is 1 of only a few people being retained to the same position by the new Coach.
Now that you have real facts maybe you can compare.
Hogalum05 you need to research a little more to get the facts right. Owens worked under Kenny Phillips in 2007 but Kenny was still in charge of the Offense when they went 10-1. Another thing that was wrong, Rose Bud has never won a S.Championship in FB. If you're going to correct someone you need to have the facts right!
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Tigerdad2 on April 15, 2017, 10:58:27 am
From the list of finalists and the hire made , sounds like Berryville should have drove to Laird's house and begged him to take the job
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 15, 2017, 02:22:34 pm
Quote from: Idoknow on April 15, 2017, 10:44:08 am
Hogalum05 you need to research a little more to get the facts right. Owens worked under Kenny Phillips in 2007 but Kenny was still in charge of the Offense when they went 10-1. Another thing that was wrong, Rose Bud has never won a S.Championship in FB. If you're going to correct someone you need to have the facts right!
My goodness, I'm going to need a zanex to deal with some of you. 05 is very accurate. He did say Rose Bud and then quickly posted Glen Rose. Obvious typo..  Phillips was the HC but anybody anywhere near the program would tell u he did Def and completely handed the offense over to Owens. Play calling, peronell, and practice planning. Not sure what else there is. He ran the same Off that his Dad won games with at Berryville for crying out loud! Then Baker ran it after he left. Owens had a 2,600yd rusher also 1 at and 1 close to 1k yds. Not to mention a QB that had a 1k passing.

Ok nowI'm going to assume that argument is over... and before we dive into the other stuff 05 is actually pretty accurate on all the other stuff as well. Owens' has a pretty good resume when you look at it along with the Coaches he's coached under.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OverPrivileged on April 15, 2017, 10:15:03 pm
I didn't mean to say Owens was not a good coach.  I actually thing he is a good coach.  What I was saying is that there is no reason to believe that shott will not be.  Owens has had one winning season in his career.  Now, he has coached at some very hard places to win, but there isn't anyting there to say "hey this guy can turn around a losing program".  that's all I was trying to get across.  a few years as a DC/OC and one winning season since 2005
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Coach DePriest, Sheridan on April 15, 2017, 10:45:05 pm
So are we saying that Berryville has definitely hired Doug Shott?  If so, he is a flexbone guy and coached some really good Booneville teams. His son, Matt, was QB at Booneville when I was a senior at Mena, and they actually coached football and baseball together at DeQueen.  Not sure where Matt is now, but they both seem like good guys from the time I've visited with them. 

As far as the three finalists, I think they were all flexbone guys on offense. I'm not positive on Owens, but Hightower and HogAlum will correct me if I'm wrong because they either are Owens, are married to Owens, or raised Owens because they know way too much information about the history of his coaching career. 

I know Marshall Hahn as I coached his son in 2015 at Elmwood. He was the OC at Rogers and I would characterize him as a flexbone expert. All flex guys may be like him, but I had no idea there were that many formations, adjustments, and plays in that offense.  I know he is an awesome Christian man, husband, father of 7 BOYS, and foster parent. 

I think any of those three could be the right choice. I actually liked Winters and thought he was doing some positive things across the program. I think the new guy is probably setup better than a new coach has been in a while.

I saw Michael Gray from Mountain View on the list. I'd think he would have been a good pick from what he has done there. No idea what he runs.

Also, Tyler Dorton, the Lincoln OC, will be a good one some day, but I'm glad he didn't get this for his sake. He will have some opportunities, likely sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure this would have good for him.

I do think if Laird had not pulled his name, he would have been the best pick (outside of Hahn, but I'm biased towards him). Laird knows the conference likely better than  anyone else in the conference outside of Abshier, Harrelson, and Duke Mobley.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: hogalum05 on April 16, 2017, 02:15:05 pm
Coach come on! I've known that guy for a long time and his Dad and Uncles that coached before that. Got to realize, been an Owens coaching in this state since the 60s! Even Got to see a few of Owens Jr's games till he moved down south. I am a fan of his and if you say something inaccurate or insinuate something inaccurate I am going to call you on it.

Vegas, all I did was correct your inaccuracies which in this case have been many. Ex: He was in total control of the Offense at Marshall, he's been a Coord for over half his career (including the year Sheridan went 5-6), and at MH, he was hired by Patrick, not Mahan.  Now, He does only have 1 real winning record. But a 5 and a 10 win season at Marshall, and four 5 win seasons at MH and Sheridan really is not that bad. But again look at the Coaches he has coached under.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 16, 2017, 09:30:40 pm
Berryville is going to be a tough place to fix because they lack a lot of support needed to fix it.  Of the list that was published I'm sure there were some good choices, but if anyone thought they would get a coach with a clear cut championship history they were dreaming.
From the looks of the list, Laird was the closest to that but I don't think he has a championship, could be wrong.  Anyway he withdrew and that may be a shame or it may be a good thing since he lacked something the commitment to go ahead and take the job.
The guys that were in the finals for the job I think were experienced coaches but I don't know that much about their individual success.  I will say I'm not disappointed in the choice after seeing the names of those seriously considered and there could have been a much worse pick.
Biggest disappointment would be Laird not staying in, but then I hear he had withddrawn from another school a few years ago. Seems not to be able to pull the trigger?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 17, 2017, 01:56:15 pm
Quote from: Tigerdad2 on April 15, 2017, 10:58:27 am
From the list of finalists and the hire made , sounds like Berryville should have drove to Laird's house and begged him to take the job

I hear he was high on he list and withdrew. Maybe he just wanted to make PG show some appreciation.  I also heard he had pulled out of the coaching search before. At Lincoln I was told.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on April 17, 2017, 07:35:14 pm
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on April 15, 2017, 10:45:05 pm
So are we saying that Berryville has definitely hired Doug Shott?  If so, he is a flexbone guy and coached some really good Booneville teams. His son, Matt, was QB at Booneville when I was a senior at Mena, and they actually coached football and baseball together at DeQueen.  Not sure where Matt is now, but they both seem like good guys from the time I've visited with them. 

As far as the three finalists, I think they were all flexbone guys on offense. I'm not positive on Owens, but Hightower and HogAlum will correct me if I'm wrong because they either are Owens, are married to Owens, or raised Owens because they know way too much information about the history of his coaching career. 

I know Marshall Hahn as I coached his son in 2015 at Elmwood. He was the OC at Rogers and I would characterize him as a flexbone expert. All flex guys may be like him, but I had no idea there were that many formations, adjustments, and plays in that offense.  I know he is an awesome Christian man, husband, father of 7 BOYS, and foster parent. 

I think any of those three could be the right choice. I actually liked Winters and thought he was doing some positive things across the program. I think the new guy is probably setup better than a new coach has been in a while.

I saw Michael Gray from Mountain View on the list. I'd think he would have been a good pick from what he has done there. No idea what he runs.

Also, Tyler Dorton, the Lincoln OC, will be a good one some day, but I'm glad he didn't get this for his sake. He will have some opportunities, likely sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure this would have good for him.

I do think if Laird had not pulled his name, he would have been the best pick (outside of Hahn, but I'm biased towards him). Laird knows the conference likely better than  anyone else in the conference outside of Abshier, Harrelson, and Duke Mobley.
Interesting how when you come out with some facts you must either be the person or related to him! Do I know him, yep real well but Vegas if you would just look up Sheridan Football and check out Owens' bio it would save us fact checkers some work!

All I wanted was a comparison between the 2!! Moot point now, guess SaintsRow was right. Not sure how it went down but he's been off the list since early last week.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 18, 2017, 11:50:27 am
How many times do school search committees talk with the remaining staff that is going to be continuing in the program?  I don't think I have ever heard of using their imput but it seems they would understand the needs of the program and what kind of coach might be a good fit more so than administrators and board members who are not working in the program on a daily basis. Opinions?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: game on on April 18, 2017, 01:31:22 pm
I don't think that is a regular practice.  From coaches I talk to it seem nobody really wants their opinion when it comes to hiring.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OB11 on April 18, 2017, 01:33:27 pm
It would make sense for admin to get input from the coaching staff in a perfect world. But if they are asking for the assistants input on what needs to be done in the program, why not give the job to one of the assistants? Assuming they were willing to take it.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: game on on April 18, 2017, 01:38:38 pm
Saying they know what problems the program has, what strenghts the new coach needs in relation to the problems, and saying they are ready to be the HC are not the same thing at all.  If that were the case just make a board member the HC since you are letting them decide.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on May 02, 2017, 06:51:35 am
Have they hired my big name yet?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on May 25, 2017, 12:00:44 pm
Any news on how spring went with the new coach?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on November 02, 2019, 08:54:23 pm
Well, still waiting on the ol Bobcats to become relevant again. Looked up this old thread and thought it was kind of interesting. Wandering if the search committee still has all the answers??
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Spectator on November 02, 2019, 10:12:08 pm
Lots of colleges in the state. Go get a degree and education and get into coaching. Sounds like you have all the answers and would make a great head coach.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on November 02, 2019, 10:33:14 pm
Quote from: Spectator on November 02, 2019, 10:12:08 pm
Lots of colleges in the state. Go get a degree and education and get into coaching. Sounds like you have all the answers and would make a great head coach.

You need to go to your "safe place" for a little bit? You seem to have wadded up you undergarments reading my post. I actually have a degree and you honestly probably want me to stay with my current line of work. Might need me someday... now 2 years ago I did want to see somebody else hired. Doesn't necessarily mean I don't like Coach Shott. I do wish we could become relevant in our conference again. My comments were directed more at the committee that had such infinite wisdom during the process. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Spectator on November 02, 2019, 10:45:19 pm
Your implying they made a bad choice. My personal opinion is they couldn't have  hired a better coach, mentor, or person than Coach Shot.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: The Coach on November 04, 2019, 08:23:25 am
Coaching matters but, in the case of Berryville they don't have the talent to compete with the better teams in the 1-4A and haven't for years now.  Many coaches have come and gone and yet the results stay the same so what else could it be? Some of the coaches they had were good coaches and have gone on to other places and are involved with very successful programs. Sounds like the coach they have now is doing as well as anyone could ask.   
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: byvark on November 04, 2019, 09:37:47 am
Quote from: The Coach on November 04, 2019, 08:23:25 am
Coaching matters but, in the case of Berryville they don't have the talent to compete with the better teams in the 1-4A and haven't for years now.  Many coaches have come and gone and yet the results stay the same so what else could it be? Some of the coaches they had were good coaches and have gone on to other places and are involved with very successful programs. Sounds like the coach they have now is doing as well as anyone could ask.

I agree with The Coach.  Just not enough big ole farm boys anymore for the trenches and not enough guys that do go out with any speed.  Biggest offensive weakness at present is mediocre skilled quarterbacks who cannot scramble or consistently complete passes to receivers who do not have the speed to get separation.  On defense, Berryville is sub-par on pass defense coverage due to speed and size.  In the past, Berryville had a strong track and field program which helped the football program.  They do not anymore except for periodic strength in cross country which does nothing for a football program.  Soccer is more of a priority now.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 12, 2019, 10:32:09 am
Berryville has a host of issue in getting its program to a point where it will challenge for a playoff spot with any regularity.  They have improved facilities and tried various coaches but football doesn't seem to be a priority among the kids.  They come an go from the program and don't always appear to stick around form 7th to 12 grade.  It's a community thing I think. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on November 22, 2019, 12:05:23 pm
Quote from: Spectator on November 02, 2019, 10:45:19 pm
Your implying they made a bad choice. My personal opinion is they couldn't have  hired a better coach, mentor, or person than Coach Shot.
So he's a great  coach, mentor, and person. I'm not going to claim to have as much knowledge about him as you do, so some if not all this might be true.

What I do know; Berryville in the last 13 years has average about 2 wins a season and not even 1 conference win, again an average... The 10 before that they averaged over 5 wins with the best being a 7 and 9 win year.  Not sure about conference wins, I know they usually finished in the middle with 1 conf championship in 04 maybe? 

So Spectator, what can be THAT different??  Our place in 4A enrollment hasn't changed drastically. Now demographics has changed some. But to not even sniff a winning season in 13 years and no more that 1 conf  win a year?! I guess your saying all that can be done is being done? I should just accept?? Don't even hope for a good year every once in a while? And how dare you question the current Coach!!

Maybe it's player development?  pee wees and Jr High? Strength Program? Maybe we're understaffed or underfunded?  I'm not a coach but I'll assume you aren't either.  sounds like you might be part of the problem? Or maybe we have to many former Berryville Coaches that want  to sit around and talk about how good of Coaches THEY where or how many THEY have won?
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: whippersnapper on November 22, 2019, 01:48:59 pm
The problem with berryville is they care more about band and soccer, simple. When I was in hs at West fork from 06-10 any band contest berryville went too they won. Beating bigger schools too. It's sad but I see more people in the home stands during pregame and halftime then the game. I'm sure that isn't the case in soccer season.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Hawk4L on November 22, 2019, 02:14:41 pm
Quote from: whippersnapper on November 22, 2019, 01:48:59 pm
The problem with berryville is they care more about band and soccer, simple. When I was in hs at West fork from 06-10 any band contest berryville went too they won. Beating bigger schools too. It's sad but I see more people in the home stands during pregame and halftime then the game. I'm sure that isn't the case in soccer season.
Berryville is only good at girls basketball. All there boys teams in all sports have been bad for a long time now.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 15, 2019, 12:18:01 am
Quote from: Hawk4L on November 22, 2019, 02:14:41 pm
Berryville is only good at girls basketball. All there boys teams in all sports have been bad for a long time now.
I hear the dedication is just lacking at Berryville. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: x14113 on December 15, 2019, 12:44:35 am
Quote from: whippersnapper on November 22, 2019, 01:48:59 pm
When I was in hs at West fork from 06-10 any band contest berryville went too they won. Beating bigger schools too. It's sad but I see more people in the home stands during pregame and halftime then the game.

Sadly, that Golden Age of the Bobcat Band has now passed, as the directors responsible for their success have since moved on and the successors don't stay that long.

It really showed this year, too, as Berryville was given straight IIIs at the Region VI (think northern edge of the state from MH to Gravette) assessment at Rogers back in October.

For those wondering, yes, that is considered mediocre at best.

That also means no shot at the state marching championship at WMS.

The best 4A band out of R-VI now? That would be Pea Ridge, who placed 4th at state (behind Arkadelphia, Ozark, and Pokey).

With their move up next year, the region's best in 4A falls to Gentry, who placed 14th at state.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on January 13, 2020, 11:05:15 am
Quote from: whippersnapper on November 22, 2019, 01:48:59 pm
The problem with berryville is they care more about band and soccer, simple. When I was in hs at West fork from 06-10 any band contest berryville went too they won. Beating bigger schools too. It's sad but I see more people in the home stands during pregame and halftime then the game. I'm sure that isn't the case in soccer season.
I've heard this explanation before about Bville but I think there is a larger problem and that's lack of dedication/commitment to what it takes to get to winning and sustain winning.  Have to go above and beyond.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2020, 08:48:12 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on January 13, 2020, 11:05:15 am
I've heard this explanation before about Bville but I think there is a larger problem and that's lack of dedication/commitment to what it takes to get to winning and sustain winning.  Have to go above and beyond.
To get Berryville competitive is going to take a huge effort in the administration and the community.  Have to turn the culture there towards football.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: The Coach on January 17, 2020, 11:07:00 am
Quote from: RZback on January 14, 2020, 08:48:12 pm
To get Berryville competitive is going to take a huge effort in the administration and the community.  Have to turn the culture there towards football.

Will never happen then
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: game on on April 18, 2021, 02:33:41 pm
Berryville has another new Head Caoch.  Here's an old thread debating Berryvilles' prospects.  Interesting in comparison to see where they were and where they are now.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 06, 2021, 10:37:46 am
Keeping an eye on what happens at Bville.  It's going to be a huge job to turn that around.  The problem is cultural as much as anything.  They don't just have to want to win, they have to change their attitude to be willing to do what it takes to win.  Everybody wants to win, few do what it takes.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on May 07, 2021, 09:48:48 am
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on May 06, 2021, 10:37:46 am
Keeping an eye on what happens at Bville.  It's going to be a huge job to turn that around.  The problem is cultural as much as anything.  They don't just have to want to win, they have to change their attitude to be willing to do what it takes to win.  Everybody wants to win, few do what it takes.
Definitely a task ahead of him. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: HSFBF on May 07, 2021, 10:13:12 am
And hopefully the assistants that remain will buy into a "new system" and dedication to winning more than before and convey this attitude to the players. I think this will happen and fans will see a different team on the field this season. I hear the assistants are hoping fans and parents will support the team and its strong desire to win. For sure, there needs to be more fans in the stands during the game than in pregame and halftime goings on, as a previous poster alluded to. First mentioned by FF wippersnapper on Nov 22, 2019, almost 2 years ago!  :-\ 
HSFB
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on May 09, 2021, 01:18:16 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on May 07, 2021, 10:13:12 am
And hopefully the assistants that remain will buy into a "new system" and dedication to winning more than before and convey this attitude to the players. I think this will happen and fans will see a different team on the field this season. I hear the assistants are hoping fans and parents will support the team and its strong desire to win. For sure, there needs to be more fans in the stands during the game than in pregame and halftime goings on, as a previous poster alluded to. First mentioned by FF wippersnapper on Nov 22, 2019, almost 2 years ago!  :-\ 
HSFB
Coaches are going to have to recruit fans.  Get out and make some headway with building a fan base.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: HSFBF on May 09, 2021, 01:57:16 pm
Quote from: RZback on May 09, 2021, 01:18:16 pm
Coaches are going to have to recruit fans.  Get out and make some headway with building a fan base.
Just wonder if Berryville has a Rotary Club, Lions Club, good local newspaper sports editors or some noon time group gatherings where the HC and an assistant could attend and perk interest a bit. I think Eureka Springs has a weekly newspaper, and maybe some interviews of the Berryville coaching staff would be nice.  There are ways to recruit fans but winning games DOES help; the word does spread.  ;)
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: RZback on May 09, 2021, 04:40:15 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on May 09, 2021, 01:57:16 pm
Just wonder if Berryville has a Rotary Club, Lions Club, good local newspaper sports editors or some noon time group gatherings where the HC and an assistant could attend and perk interest a bit. I think Eureka Springs has a weekly newspaper, and maybe some interviews of the Berryville coaching staff would be nice.  There are ways to recruit fans but winning games DOES help; the word does spread.  ;)
People love a winner.  It's been a good while for Berryville.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: OfficerHightower on May 10, 2021, 09:33:49 am
As a local and alum I've given my opinion on this thread a few times. Must say, Coach Shot was a good man and good coach. But here we are a couple years later hiring again. And still searching for the answer to the riddle that is winning in Bville? Only 2 or 3 coaches in the schools history have been able figure it out. Suggestion... Look at the HCs experience, look at the experience of the Asst they were able to bring in, and look at who the Admin, mainly AD, was at that time. Do your homework and I think you'll find common denominators and the answer to the riddle. 
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: fbhound on May 13, 2021, 05:10:53 pm
Berryville is looking for an assistant coach, as one is leaving to be further NW near Rogers area closer to family ties,  and one has already signed on with Farmington recently. Think an applicant with DC experience will be a plus. I know inquiries would be listened to and interviewed very soon, especially with school ending in a couple of weeks throughout the state. Contact Berryville Admin or Coach Hutson.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: gameoflife on May 13, 2021, 05:15:41 pm
Quote from: fbhound on May 13, 2021, 05:10:53 pm
Berryville is looking for an assistant coach, as one is leaving to be further NW near Rogers area closer to family ties,  and one has already signed on with Farmington recently. Think an applicant with DC experience will be a plus. I know inquiries would be listened to and interviewed very soon, especially with school ending in a couple of weeks throughout the state. Contact Berryville Admin or Coach Hutson.

I'd imagine Hutson is going to have to develop some coaches as much as he's going to have to develop some players.  HC job isn't just about the kids playing, sometimes he's got kids coaching too.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: fbhound on May 15, 2021, 05:54:35 pm
Yep, ANY HC is always trying to improve assistant's interest and integrity in football, young or old. Yes, "kids" do coach, gotta start sometime in their lives, sooner the better.
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: HSFBF on May 18, 2021, 04:36:05 pm
Just got a question posed to me on the Coaching Opening section of FF about if any assistants were hired yet by Berryville's administration. My friend who has keep me informed privately is out of town so I am not sure of the assistants hiring situation at Berryville. Does anyone know of any hiring for the two open positions for football at Berryville? Thanks for any info. I left a voice mail on my friend's cell and will pass along any updated information.
HSFBF
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: Warrior77 on June 19, 2021, 04:16:51 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on May 18, 2021, 04:36:05 pmJust got a question posed to me on the Coaching Opening section of FF about if any assistants were hired yet by Berryville's administration. My friend who has keep me informed privately is out of town so I am not sure of the assistants hiring situation at Berryville. Does anyone know of any hiring for the two open positions for football at Berryville? Thanks for any info. I left a voice mail on my friend's cell and will pass along any updated information.

HSFBF
They have hired two assistants
Title: Re: Berryville
Post by: fbhound on June 20, 2021, 10:31:20 am
Quote from: Warrior77 on June 19, 2021, 04:16:51 pmThey have hired two assistants
I did hear that one was an assistant coach who has DC experience, and that should help coach Hutson install his overall offense and defense strategies for his first year at Berryville. The important thing is getting the kids used to a new "system" of playing football on both sides of the line, O and D.. Tough 4A schedule this year but Berryville will stay close in many games and hopefully win 1-2 games. August's team efforts in practice will tell the difference. GL!