Everyone else is doing one so figured I'd join in
1. Foreman
2. Junction City
3. Hazen
4. Conway Christian
5. Earle
6. Mt. Ida
7. Fordyce
8. Salem
9. Hampton
10. Mountainburg
Not a bad one. Mt. Ida has fallen very far in a lot of polls. But it's hard to judge 4-6. I agree with mostly everything else. These next two weeks will clear a lot up.
Not bad at all but I guess I just haven't seen enough for Earle and Hazen both to be above Mt. Ida and Fordyce. Guess after this week one will fall.
Fordyce doesn't have a quality win in their schedule, i think they are the 3 in the 8.
Yes, especially this week with the JC/Fordyce matchip and the Hazen/Earle game. Mt. Ida is still solid but I think lack of depth would hurt them against the other teams above them. Also gonna find out a little more about Mountainburg this week in their rival game with Hackett.
It honestly depends on if the teams above can stop the dive. I believe Mount Ida can stop most everyone's offense for the most part. Any team with a great defense that can stop the dive and force 3rd and 8 will beat them. I would personally put them at 3 honestly, but I haven't seen Earle or Hazen play. Come playoffs a lot will be told.
Quote from: IdaLions on October 18, 2018, 11:22:48 am
It honestly depends on if the teams above can stop the dive. I believe Mount Ida can stop most everyone's offense for the most part. Any team with a great defense that can stop the dive and force 3rd and 8 will beat them. I would personally put them at 3 honestly, but I haven't seen Earle or Hazen play. Come playoffs a lot will be told.
I can see your point. My biggest concern for Mt. Ida woild be their pass defense
Quote from: Wildcatalumni21 on October 18, 2018, 11:28:18 am
I can see your point. My biggest concern for Mt. Ida woild be their pass defense
That can be a legitimate problem for Mount Ida at times. But for the past few years we have beaten Conway Christian, probably the most pass heavy team in 2A. But for some reason here in Ida we sometimes forget how to cover a pass every once in a while.
umm no one has scored through the air on our secondary this year
i take that back no one has scored on our 1st string secondary
Yeah but they only decent team you have played all season beat you by 21, so it's not like statistics are a great measuring stick for Ida
Quote from: i40traveler on October 19, 2018, 09:16:59 am
Yeah but they only decent team you have played all season beat you by 21, so it's not like statistics are a great measuring stick for Ida
??? Comon man you cant tell me that Ida hasnt impressed you on film... I am thinking they will have a cake walk in the playoffs.
Quote from: i40traveler on October 19, 2018, 09:16:59 am
Yeah but they only decent team you have played all season beat you by 21, so it's not like statistics are a great measuring stick for Ida
I feel sorry for any team that doubts Mt. Ida's abilities. They could easily come away with a win against 8 of these top ten teams
Quote from: MUSTANGSALLY23 on October 19, 2018, 09:48:32 am
??? Comon man you cant tell me that Ida hasnt impressed you on film... I am thinking they will have a cake walk in the playoffs.
42 Sports didn't exactly provide most crystal clear picture but I wasn't talking crap about IDA. Just stating a fact that they haven't had much competition outside of foreman who thumped them.
Magazine 3-3
Jesseville 3-4
Magnet Cove 3-4
Mineral 5-2
Murf 2-5
Spring Hill 1-5
Combined 17-23
I mean you take Foreman away that strength of schedule isn't much to speak of.
Quote from: OLionSwag74 on October 19, 2018, 08:57:26 am
umm no one has scored through the air on our secondary this year
And what team have you played this year that has a solid passing attack?
Quote from: i40traveler on October 19, 2018, 10:40:07 am
Magazine 3-3
Jesseville 3-4
Magnet Cove 3-4
Mineral 5-2
Murf 2-5
Spring Hill 1-5
Combined 17-23
I mean you take Foreman away that strength of schedule isn't much to speak of.
Based off of this logic NO 2A SCHOOL OUTSIDE OF THE 7-2A AND THE 8-2A has been tested at all????? Your logic is a little off I40...
Quote from: Redzone on October 19, 2018, 10:13:15 am
I feel sorry for any team that doubts Mt. Ida's abilities. They could easily come away with a win against 8 of these top ten teams
they could also lose to the top 12.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 11:10:07 am
they could also lose to the top 12.
Frankly any team could lose to the top 12 on any given friday. Mount Ida has not played a strong, good pass team yet. But when they do I think they will prevail. Always remember this, Coach White always has a plan, and usually 14/15 times the past two years, it has worked. But like I said. Any team can lose, this includes Foreman, JC, Hazen, Earle, etc.
Quote from: IdaLions on October 19, 2018, 11:15:41 am
Frankly any team could lose to the top 12 on any given friday. Mount Ida has not played a strong, good pass team yet. But when they do I think they will prevail. Always remember this, Coach White always has a plan, and usually 14/15 times the past two years, it has worked. But like I said. Any team can lose, this includes Foreman, JC, Hazen, Earle, etc.
that was what I was getting at. 2A is open this year.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 11:19:25 am
that was what I was getting at. 2A is open this year.
Agreed, Honestly the team people need to look out for though is Foreman. For some reason they have a lot of doubters this year. I guess it's because they are known for not being a power house team. But recently, since 2016, they have made tremendous strides. They have 4 hard runners, and a defense that will make you regret being there. But as I said, anybody can lose, no one is immune to the big hard L. Playoffs are gonna be very fun this year to read about and see, hope my Lions can make a strong run, and maybe even meet Foreman at the Rock again.
Quote from: IdaLions on October 19, 2018, 11:32:40 am
Agreed, Honestly the team people need to look out for though is Foreman. For some reason they have a lot of doubters this year. I guess it's because they are known for not being a power house team. But recently, since 2016, they have made tremendous strides. They have 4 hard runners, and a defense that will make you regret being there. But as I said, anybody can lose, no one is immune to the big hard L. Playoffs are gonna be very fun this year to read about and see, hope my Lions can make a strong run, and maybe even meet Foreman at the Rock again.
I would like for des arc and ida to play again,
Ida @ Gurdon next week! Should be a good game.
Gurdon and Ida 3-3 against each other!
Not a fan of Foreman but I would take Foreman against the field and feel pretty good about it.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 11:48:27 am
I would like for des arc and ida to play again,
I'd like to see CC play them as well.
Quote from: IdaLions on October 19, 2018, 11:15:41 am
Frankly any team could lose to the top 12 on any given friday. Mount Ida has not played a strong, good pass team yet. But when they do I think they will prevail. Always remember this, Coach White always has a plan, and usually 14/15 times the past two years, it has worked. But like I said. Any team can lose, this includes Foreman, JC, Hazen, Earle, etc.
It's just my opinion but I don't agree with that last statement. I believe that the top 4 or 5 teams (and I believe that includes Mt Ida) could probably beat any of the other top 4 or 5 teams if the situation was just right but I just don't believe any of the other top 12 can beat one of those top 4 or 5 teams unless the top team just fell flat on their face. Yes, if one of those top teams has 5 or 6 turnovers and the other team plays a flawless game then yes, I believe it could happen but that would apply for any game.
I don't believe it is wide open!! Crazy things can happen (injuries, penalties or bad weather at just the right time) but if I was a betting man my money would bet that in the end the team holding the trophy in December will be either Foreman, JC, Mt Ida or Hazen. I would take those four instead of the field...any takers on that bet? If not, then I don't think you can really say it's "open". But then again...that's just my opinion!!!
And this is why we have playoffs!! Good grief if you want to debate over who is the best, petition AAA to go a bowl system like college football used to be!
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 02:45:10 pm
It's just my opinion but I don't agree with that last statement. I believe that the top 4 or 5 teams (and I believe that includes Mt Ida) could probably beat any of the other top 4 or 5 teams if the situation was just right but I just don't believe any of the other top 12 can beat one of those top 4 or 5 teams unless the top team just fell flat on their face. Yes, if one of those top teams has 5 or 6 turnovers and the other team plays a flawless game then yes, I believe it could happen but that would apply for any game.
I don't believe it is wide open!! Crazy things can happen (injuries, penalties or bad weather at just the right time) but if I was a betting man my money would bet that in the end the team holding the trophy in December will be either Foreman, JC, Mt Ida or Hazen. I would take those four instead of the field...any takers on that bet? If not, then I don't think you can really say it's "open". But then again...that's just my opinion!!!
I think it will be Foreman. no disrespect to the other teams.
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 02:45:10 pm
It's just my opinion but I don't agree with that last statement. I believe that the top 4 or 5 teams (and I believe that includes Mt Ida) could probably beat any of the other top 4 or 5 teams if the situation was just right but I just don't believe any of the other top 12 can beat one of those top 4 or 5 teams unless the top team just fell flat on their face. Yes, if one of those top teams has 5 or 6 turnovers and the other team plays a flawless game then yes, I believe it could happen but that would apply for any game.
I don't believe it is wide open!! Crazy things can happen (injuries, penalties or bad weather at just the right time) but if I was a betting man my money would bet that in the end the team holding the trophy in December will be either Foreman, JC, Mt Ida or Hazen. I would take those four instead of the field...any takers on that bet? If not, then I don't think you can really say it's "open". But then again...that's just my opinion!!!
you just beat the brakes off ida, you left out earle who hazen has to beat just to win the 6, you left out gurdon, Conway Christian, Fordyce, the list goes on
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 02:57:08 pm
you just beat the brakes off ida, you left out earle who hazen has to beat just to win the 6, you left out gurdon, Conway Christian, Fordyce, the list goes on
You seem to be pretty confident in your statement, so how much money do you want to put on one of those other teams then?
Yes and Earle could be one of those top 4 or 5 teams, like I was saying. I just don't believe it is really open like you suggest!
I know that you've heard what Opinions are like, right...you know everyone has one and this one is just mine!!
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 03:12:32 pm
You seem to be pretty confident in your statement, so how much money do you want to put on one of those other teams then?
Yes and Earle could be one of those top 4 or 5 teams, like I was saying. I just don't believe it is really open like you suggest!
I know that you've heard what Opinions are like, right...you know everyone has one and this one is just mine!!
bet on some high school kids? no thanks.
but if you think a team yall just beat by 21 is top 4, then you must think foreman is heads and shoulders above everyone else. so you really either eliminated M.I. or singled out foreman.
Foreman at Mt Ida with proper field preparations MT Ida has a better shot maybe not a 21 point difference. I believe Foreman is that much better than the rest.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 03:40:17 pm
bet on some high school kids? no thanks.
but if you think a team yall just beat by 21 is top 4, then you must think foreman is heads and shoulders above everyone else. so you really either eliminated M.I. or singled out foreman.
Just what I thought! Make a statement then now want stand by it...lol
As far as the other that you said l, don't put words in my mouth...I never said that!!
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 04:28:33 pm
Just what I thought! Make a statement then now want stand by it...lol
As far as the other that you said l, don't put words in my mouth...I never said that!!
So foreman got lucky to beat mount ida?
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 04:40:06 pm
So foreman got lucky to beat mount ida?
There you go putting words back in my mouth again!! Did I say that? If I thought that I would have said that!
The real question is why are you deflecting from the original question? If you think it's really "open" this year in 2A football then let's make a friendly wager (just bragging rights). If I'm wrong I'll get on here and admit that I was wrong and that you are a Fearless Friday God. If I'm right then you'll get on here and admit that just because your a Fearless Friday Hall of Famer doesn't mean you know everything about 2A football. What do you think....deal?
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 04:52:44 pm
There you go putting words back in my mouth again!! Did I say that? If I thought that I would have said that!
The real question is why are you deflecting from the original question? If you think it's really "open" this year in 2A football then let's make a friendly wager (just bragging rights). If I'm wrong I'll get on here and admit that I was wrong and that you are a Fearless Friday God. If I'm right then you'll get on here and admit that just because your a Fearless Friday Hall of Famer doesn't mean you know everything about 2A football. What do you think....deal?
heck I will admit right now I don't know everything about 2A football. that's not an issue.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 19, 2018, 05:22:59 pm
heck I will admit right now I don't know everything about 2A football. that's not an issue.
LOL...I hear ya!
Quote from: godgiven999 on October 19, 2018, 12:24:01 pm
Ida @ Gurdon next week! Should be a good game.
Gurdon and Ida 3-3 against each other!
Will be a good game indeed! Gotta beat Dierks tonight first though
So do you move Hazen up, Earle down, or both?
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 02:45:10 pm
It's just my opinion but I don't agree with that last statement. I believe that the top 4 or 5 teams (and I believe that includes Mt Ida) could probably beat any of the other top 4 or 5 teams if the situation was just right but I just don't believe any of the other top 12 can beat one of those top 4 or 5 teams unless the top team just fell flat on their face. Yes, if one of those top teams has 5 or 6 turnovers and the other team plays a flawless game then yes, I believe it could happen but that would apply for any game.
I don't believe it is wide open!! Crazy things can happen (injuries, penalties or bad weather at just the right time) but if I was a betting man my money would bet that in the end the team holding the trophy in December will be either Foreman, JC, Mt Ida or Hazen. I would take those four instead of the field...any takers on that bet? If not, then I don't think you can really say it's "open". But then again...that's just my opinion!!!
Ok, so after last night, do you believe I may actually know more about 2A football than YOU? Looks like it's a little more open than 4 teams. 🤔🤔
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 20, 2018, 07:38:37 am
Ok, so after last night, do you believe I may actually know more about 2A football than YOU? Looks like it's a little more open than 4 teams. 🤔🤔
After last night there should be a little shake up in the rankings Pick. Maybe some could be overrated.. ::) ::)
IMO, Fordyce is a team that should be in the top 3-4. They gave JC all they could handle last night.
Junction
Foreman
Hazen
Conway Christian
Mt. Ida
Fordyce
Gurdon
Hampton
Mountainburg
Salem
Honorable mentions (Earle, Mineral Springs,
I was thinking Foreman 2A Champs this year until Mineral Springs came along, now I'm sold on it's wide open. This could be one the best playoff years we've had in a few years.
Quote from: Old Scrapper on October 20, 2018, 09:23:47 am
I was thinking Foreman 2A Champs this year until Mineral Springs came along, now I'm sold on it's wide open. This could be one the best playoff years we've had in a few years.
heck I got told I didn't know football when I said that. lol
Depends on Bateys ankle if it's wide open or not lol
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 20, 2018, 10:17:20 am
Depends on Bateys ankle if it's wide open or not lol
ITS WIDE OPEN
Quote from: Old Scrapper on October 20, 2018, 09:23:47 am
I was thinking Foreman 2A Champs this year until Mineral Springs came along, now I'm sold on it's wide open. This could be one the best playoff years we've had in a few years.
I think you're right on track. It will be a very competitive playoff. Fordyce is a very young team and has no where to go but up. They've played some good teams and the don't have just 1 back but 3 or 4. No 22 is good for 3-4 almost every time he touches the ball. Foreman has to stay healthy. If Jc's line plays the could go the distance. Hampton is no slouch for sure but has a depth problem. Hazen you have to enter their choke factor which has haunted them for years. Looking forward to it....
Quote from: cuz on October 20, 2018, 11:36:48 am
I think you're right on track. It will be a very competitive playoff. Fordyce is a very young team and has no where to go but up. They've played some good teams and the don't have just 1 back but 3 or 4. No 22 is good for 3-4 almost every time he touches the ball. Foreman has to stay healthy. If Jc's line plays the could go the distance. Hampton is no slouch for sure but has a depth problem. Hazen you have to enter their choke factor which has haunted them for years. Looking forward to it....
Hazen has something to play for that ALL the players have bought into, like in 2013 when des arc made it to the title game with a team that should not have, but this Hazen team has everything it needs to win it athletically and the mental factor as well.
Based off this week I would say
1. Hazen
2. Junction City
3. Foreman
4. Conway Christian
5. Mt. Ida
6. Fordyce
7. Hampton
8. Salem
9. Earle
10. Mountainburg
1. Hazen
2. Junction City
3. Foreman
4. Conway Christian
5. Mt. Ida
6. Fordyce
7. Salem
8. Earle
9. Hampton
10. Gurdon
11. Mineral Springs/Mountainburg
I don't get the choke factor comment that you throw out there, only one team can win it and as long as I can remember Hazen has never been the front runner ever to win it all. 2014 runner up to JC and that year no one was beating JC.
1 hazen
2 foreman
3 mt ida
4 Conway Christian
5 Earle
6 jc
7 Fordyce
8 Salem
9 idc
10 idc
1. JC
2. Foreman
3. Hazen
4. Mt Ida
5. CC
6. Gurdon
7. Fordyce
8. Salem
9. Mineral Springs
10. Hampton
1. JC
2. Hazen
3. Foreman
4. Gurdon
5. CC
6. Mt. Ida
7. Fordyce
8. Salem
9. Mineral Springs
10. Hampton
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 20, 2018, 07:38:37 am
Ok, so after last night, do you believe I may actually know more about 2A football than YOU? Looks like it's a little more open than 4 teams. 🤔🤔
I never claimed to know more than you just claim that the winner will be one of those top four that I mentioned. Not taking anything away from MS but like I said on my previous post injuries or even weather could play a role. How many teams are going to be very good losing their QB, FB and tailback and are going to be any good? Yeah they came back but we're a shell of themselves. Like I said not taking anything away from MS they did what they had to do. Not to mention the 6 times we fumbled due to the wet ball and lost three of those fumbles. If our kid doesn't drop the ball in the end zone with 30 seconds left or Batey doesn't drop the int with nobody in front of him that was an EASY pick six things probably would have been different. But the truth is they had to deal with the same wet conditions that we did and they did a better job of playing on that wet turf than we did. Hats off to them. Although I wil still make the friendly wager with you if you want....lol
Quote from: GatorBall on October 19, 2018, 04:52:44 pm
There you go putting words back in my mouth again!! Did I say that? If I thought that I would have said that!
The real question is why are you deflecting from the original question? If you think it's really "open" this year in 2A football then let's make a friendly wager (just bragging rights). If I'm wrong I'll get on here and admit that I was wrong and that you are a Fearless Friday God. If I'm right then you'll get on here and admit that just because your a Fearless Friday Hall of Famer doesn't mean you know everything about 2A football. What do you think....deal?
Quote from: GatorBall on October 20, 2018, 02:23:13 pm
I never claimed to know more than you just claim that the winner will be one of those top four that I mentioned. Not taking anything away from MS but like I said on my previous post injuries or even weather could play a role. How many teams are going to be very good losing their QB, FB and tailback and are going to be any good? Yeah they came back but we're a shell of themselves. Like I said not taking anything away from MS they did what they had to do. Not to mention the 6 times we fumbled due to the wet ball and lost three of those fumbles. If our kid doesn't drop the ball in the end zone with 30 seconds left or Batey doesn't drop the int with nobody in front of him that was an EASY pick six things probably would have been different. But the truth is they had to deal with the same wet conditions that we did and they did a better job of playing on that wet turf than we did. Hats off to them. Although I wil still make the friendly wager with you if you want....lol
you said for me to admit that I didn't, last night proved its more open than 4 teams. ifs and buts mean nothing.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 20, 2018, 12:20:17 pm
Hazen has something to play for that ALL the players have bought into, like in 2013 when des arc made it to the title game with a team that should not have, but this Hazen team has everything it needs to win it athletically and the mental factor as well.
Very thoughtful post I feel as though it would be better with background music thanks
Lol
Quote from: Old Scrapper on October 20, 2018, 12:51:51 pm
I don't get the choke factor comment that you throw out there, only one team can win it and as long as I can remember Hazen has never been the front runner ever to win it all. 2014 runner up to JC and that year no one was beating JC.
You'd have to go way back to know what I referenced and that didn't come from me it came from that conference back then Pick knows what I'm talking about but according to him they're on the right track. It will be a better playoff year competition wise for sure....
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 20, 2018, 04:49:18 pm
Very thoughtful post I feel as though it would be better with background music thanks
You can pick some out if you want.
Quote from: cuz on October 20, 2018, 05:49:06 pm
You'd have to go way back to know what I referenced and that didn't come from me it came from that conference back then Pick knows what I'm talking about but according to him they're on the right track. It will be a better playoff year competition wise for sure....
Has to be talking about state championship game when Hazen lost on a safety or something to that effect
Way before my time here!
Hazen posters used to be like .... The 4-2a, 5-2a and Hampton posters have been....It's our year it's our year...chest thumping...but they'd get beat down by someone In conference, or they'd bow out early in the playoffs to someone they shouldn't have lost to
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 20, 2018, 06:23:53 pm
Hazen posters used to be like .... The 4-2a, 5-2a and Hampton posters have been....It's our year it's our year...chest thumping...but they'd get beat down by someone In conference, or they'd bow out early in the playoffs to someone they shouldn't have lost to
LOL I got it now! So we better take care of business.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 20, 2018, 02:56:49 pm
you said for me to admit that I didn't, last night proved its more open than 4 teams. ifs and buts mean nothing.
OBVIOUSLY your just trying to get under my skin with your YELLING COMMENT of "ITS WIDE OPEN"!! If your so confidant, then bet me it won't be one of those top 4-5 teams then!! Put your money where your mouth is!!!
Now if you had said between those top 4 or 5, it's wide open, then yes I agree with you but to say ANY TEAM or any of the top 12 could win it all then we just have a difference of opinion and we can just wait until the end of the year to see who's right but I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this! We just have different opinions, no big deal!!! But there's really no need to get on here and be a jerk about it!! I hope whoever your team is, goes and wins it all but if they don't I'm not going to get on here just to try to rub it in your face like your obviously trying to do just so I can say HEY LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT!
Salem is contender. Told everyone from day 1 that Salem is legit. Most underrated team in 2a.
Never heard of Salem 😉
Quote from: GatorBall on October 20, 2018, 09:00:10 pm
OBVIOUSLY your just trying to get under my skin with your YELLING COMMENT of "ITS WIDE OPEN"!! If your so confidant, then bet me it won't be one of those top 4-5 teams then!! Put your money where your mouth is!!!
Now if you had said between those top 4 or 5, it's wide open, then yes I agree with you but to say ANY TEAM or any of the top 12 could win it all then we just have a difference of opinion and we can just wait until the end of the year to see who's right but I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this! We just have different opinions, no big deal!!! But there's really no need to get on here and be a jerk about it!! I hope whoever your team is, goes and wins it all but if they don't I'm not going to get on here just to try to rub it in your face like your obviously trying to do just so I can say HEY LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT!
Geez dude, that loss yall took last night has you in your feelings. Its always just In fun the things we discuss on here. I dont take any of it seriously. Like I said, I'm not betting anything on a bunch of teen aged boys. I would bet that you would have bet the house on yalls game last night though, which is a prime example of not betting on high school kids. Lol
Just takes one injury to hamstring a great 2a team...
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 20, 2018, 09:23:57 pm
Geez dude, that loss yall took last night has you in your feelings. Its always just In fun the things we discuss on here. I dont take any of it seriously. Like I said, I'm not betting anything on a bunch of teen aged boys. I would bet that you would have bet the house on yalls game last night though, which is a prime example of not betting on high school kids. Lol
Yeah, I have been known to take it a little too personal sometimes...LOL I know it's all in fun!!! Just got carried away there for a little bit. A LOSS does that sometimes....
Quote from: GatorBall on October 20, 2018, 09:51:30 pm
Yeah, I have been known to take it a little too personal sometimes...LOL I know it's all in fun!!! Just got carried away there for a little bit. A LOSS does that sometimes....
Cant be like that on here or you will have a heart attack and spazz out. Lol
Look here I'm not gonna take anything away from mineral but it was a rainy night. Foreman has injuries that none of you know from our conference know about. I think Hazen is legit and if so they will have a battle in round two glad we will not have to worry about them. Foreman will be ready to defend their state championship.
Gurdon gets to find out if 2a football is theirs. Lol 0 state championship and lots of what could have been's. They love the spot their in but let's talk after the next two weeks.
Quote from: Eslim03 on October 21, 2018, 01:16:07 am
Look here I'm not gonna take anything away from mineral but it was a rainy night. Foreman has injuries that none of you know from our conference know about. I think Hazen is legit and if so they will have a battle in round two glad we will not have to worry about them. Foreman will be ready to defend their state championship.
Was it not rainy when mineral had the ball? Did the field dry up when they had possession? Now that's home field advantage. 😆😆
Look here pick you guys find a cart to ride. That's ok but when we get to the end of this journey you will be watching gator football not eagle football.
Waiting on your replie pick come on. I have always like you until your gonna be like everybody else. Bring des arc on I wish we could get a chance to shut that lip up.
Oh hang on Earle gets to do that this week. One big fish at a time huh?
Quote from: Eslim03 on October 21, 2018, 01:39:19 am
Look here pick you guys find a cart to ride. That's ok but when we get to the end of this journey you will be watching gator football not eagle football.
Touchy touchy. Geez you Foreman fans cant even play around. And no, I will not be watching 🐊🏈. It was Just one loss, yal can still make it to W.M.S., you might be watching another team play, but they will still sell you a ticket. 😁😁
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 05:29:03 am
Touchy touchy. Geez you Foreman fans cant even play around. And no, I will not be watching 🐊🏈. It was Just one loss, yal can still make it to W.M.S., you might be watching another team play, but they will still sell you a ticket. 😁😁
I may end up buying a ticket to watch at WMS but it won't be des arc there to watch. I would be willing to bet on that. Call me touchy or any other thing that makes yourself feel big if you wish. Foreman lost a game just like they did last year but make no mistake the gators will be a tuff out and will still be playing football when the eagles are neck deep into basketball.
0 state Championships is inaccurate, it might of been when right after WW2 but still haha
Quote from: Eslim03 on October 21, 2018, 01:25:02 am
Gurdon gets to find out if 2a football is theirs. Lol 0 state championship and lots of what could have been's. They love the spot their in but let's talk after the next two weeks.
Dang eslim, you cant even use the quote feature correctly you are so shook up. Get out of your feelings man. I know foreman has a better shot at actually playing in the title game than Des Arc, But that is ok too. I'm sure once Batey is gone, yall will go back to being irrelevant and des arc will keep plugging along consistently playing after Thanksgiving.
It's all in fun and games dude. Lighten up already.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 09:46:18 am
Dang eslim, you cant even use the quote feature correctly you are so shook up. Get out of your feelings man. I know foreman has a better shot at actually playing in the title game than Des Arc, But that is ok too. I'm sure once Batey is gone, yall will go back to being irrelevant and des arc will keep plugging along consistently playing after Thanksgiving.
It's all in fun and games dude. Lighten up already.
That would be the case if Batey was the only good player on the team, but he is not. He's one of two elite players, but we have plenty of really good underclassmen to take up His slack once he leaves.
Quote from: Redzone on October 21, 2018, 09:56:32 am
That would be the case if Batey was the only good player on the team, but he is not. He's one of two elite players, but we have plenty of really good underclassmen to take up His slack once he leaves.
Maybe so, heck I love football enough to not want teams to be as bad as Foreman was the 13 years prior to Batey. I mean Foreman won 38 games since 2001 prior to batey. Now all of a sudden even after this year yall will keep up the success you are enjoying with a D1 recruit? I doubt it, but ok.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 09:58:37 am
Maybe so, heck I love football enough to not want teams to be as bad as Foreman was the 13 years prior to Batey. I mean Foreman won 38 games since 2001 prior to batey. Now all of a sudden even after this year yall will keep up the success you are enjoying with a D1 recruit? I doubt it, but ok.
It's 2018. No I cares how good or bad any team was last year or the years before. The focus is on this season and the ones to come. Figured you'd know this hall of famer.
Quote from: Redzone on October 21, 2018, 10:10:37 am
It's 2018. No I cares how good or bad any team was last year or the years before. The focus is on this season and the ones to come. Figured you'd know this hall of famer.
You do understand history always seems to repeat itself, right? Meaning odds are after Foremans once in a lifetime athlete, they go back to where they were before he came along. Like I said, I hope they stay good, it's better for 2A football to have several good teams, but most of the time you can revert back to my first sentence in this comment.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 10:27:21 am
You do understand history always seems to repeat itself, right? Meaning odds are after Foremans once in a lifetime athlete, they go back to where they were before he came along. Like I said, I hope they stay good, it's better for 2A football to have several good teams, but most of the time you can revert back to my first sentence in this comment.
Foreman was bad from 2007-2015 I think we only made the playoffs twice in those years and had about 6 different head coaches. But before 2007 they were consistently decent. With good and bad years here and there. I hope they stay competitive because I too agree it's good for 2A football. I guess we'll just see.
Quote from: Redzone on October 21, 2018, 10:36:02 am
Foreman was bad from 2007-2015 I think we only made the playoffs twice in those years and had about 6 different head coaches. But before 2007 they were consistently decent. With good and bad years here and there. I hope they stay competitive because I too agree it's good for 2A football. I guess we'll just see.
Consistently decent? I like that! Lol
26 wins in 6 seasons prior to 07. That's 4.33 wins per year, not sure that qualifies for decent.
Redzone, just know I'm just giving you guys a hard time. Batey is a phenomenal athlete, enjoy him while you have him. It's been 40 years since Des Arc had a super good player and we went to back to back title games and won one of them. We have had several really good players who went on to play some college ball, but none like Ronnie Elam.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 10:27:21 am
You do understand history always seems to repeat itself, right? Meaning odds are after Foremans once in a lifetime athlete, they go back to where they were before he came along. Like I said, I hope they stay good, it's better for 2A football to have several good teams, but most of the time you can revert back to my first sentence in this comment.
Eagles, you have to understand that although our history since 2000 has not been good, make no mistake about it, the people here in no way have felt like that was acceptable for us. We may not have the storied history of a Junction City or Barton (from back in the day) or even one of our nearby towns like Nashville, AR but we have always been and will always be super competitive and in no way feel like even a 500 ball club is acceptable. And for the first time in a long long time we're considered one of the best teams in the state so we are SUPER pumped about it!!! So when we lose one game by one point on an extremely wet field (yes it was wet for them too but they have a lot more experience playing on wet artificial turf than we did) along with injuries to numerous key positions and people write us off just like that there may be some hostility. All of these years of frustration may come out. But that's ok, last year when we got beat by Mt Ida by 30 and everyone wrote us off then it worked out pretty good for us then. Maybe something similar will happen again for us this year.
Oh and one other thing, yes we have a VERY VERY special player in Batey but to say that we don't have anything else just goes to show you how much you guys don't know about our team. A defense that held Ida last year to 14 points in a state championship game (not counting the one busted play that our backup made on the final minute of the game) or a Ida team this year to only 13 points while they have been averaging 40+ points in every game is pretty good. Not to mention a FB that averages almost 5 yards a carry. We have been pretty good this year and we really haven't had our 2nd best back on the team play no more than 8 quarters altogether and none of them have been close to 100%.
LOL...so yeah, we are pretty passionate about our team!!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: GatorBall on October 21, 2018, 12:48:09 pm
Eagles, you have to understand that although our history since 2000 has not been good, make no mistake about it, the people here in no way have felt like that was acceptable for us. We may not have the storied history of a Junction City or Barton (from back in the day) or even one of our nearby towns like Nashville, AR but we have always been and will always be super competitive and in no way feel like even a 500 ball club is acceptable. And for the first time in a long long time we're considered one of the best teams in the state so we are SUPER pumped about it!!! So when we lose one game by one point on an extremely wet field (yes it was wet for them too but they have a lot more experience playing on wet artificial turf than we did) along with injuries to numerous key positions and people write us off just like that there may be some hostility. All of these years of frustration may come out. But that's ok, last year when we got beat by Mt Ida by 30 and everyone wrote us off then it worked out pretty good for us then. Maybe something similar will happen again for us this year.
Oh and one other thing, yes we have a VERY VERY special player in Batey but to say that we don't have anything else just goes to show you how much you guys don't know about our team. A defense that held Ida last year to 14 points in a state championship game (not counting the one busted play that our backup made on the final minute of the game) or a Ida team this year to only 13 points while they have been averaging 40+ points in every game is pretty good. Not to mention a FB that averages almost 5 yards a carry. We have been pretty good this year and we really haven't had our 2nd best back on the team play no more than 8 quarters altogether and none of them have been close to 100%.
LOL...so yeah, we are pretty passionate about our team!!! ;D ;D ;D
One special athlete, makes the entire team better. Look at Hampton with the hermits and Strong with Dixon.
Enjoy yalls ride. And soak it all in. Good luck going forward.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on October 21, 2018, 12:55:44 pm
One special athlete, makes the entire team better. Look at Hampton with the hermits and Strong with Dixon.
Enjoy yalls ride. And soak it all in. Good luck going forward.
I think that Forman started getting better when their coach got there and they went to flexbone (triple option) they have some athletes coming up also the razorbacks are on Haywood kid. If coach stays I think they will remain competitive
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on October 20, 2018, 09:08:14 pm
Salem is contender. Told everyone from day 1 that Salem is legit. Most underrated team in 2a.
They play a weak schedule in a weak conference
Any word on Batey?
I saw him last night at the Subway in town. Didn't speak to him, but he looked like he was alright. Wasn't limping, but didn't appear to be moving too briskly. Might just have been his normal walking speed.
I think Foreman and Hazen both have a depth problem leaving them a little more vulnerable. Foreman has a 30 man roster but don't seem to have the players to step up. Hazen appears to be in that same boat. Most 2a teams fall in that category.....JC has depth nearly about everywhere. Their line can be a slow start at times that's their nemesis....
Quote from: cuz on October 22, 2018, 07:31:09 pm
I think Foreman and Hazen both have a depth problem leaving them a little more vulnerable. Foreman has a 30 man roster but don't seem to have the players to step up. Hazen appears to be in that same boat. Most 2a teams fall in that category.....JC has depth nearly about everywhere. Their line can be a slow start at times that's their nemesis....
Everyone in 2A has a depth issues
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 22, 2018, 07:38:45 pm
Everyone in 2A has a depth issues
Not if your Junction City because they always play with 3A numbers.
Quote from: Coach95 on October 22, 2018, 09:40:16 pm
Not if your Junction City because they always play with 3A numbers.
Sometimes they have players from Louisiana to help numbers so close to LINE
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 22, 2018, 09:58:48 pm
Sometimes they have players from Louisiana to help numbers so close to LINE
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Quote from: cuz on October 22, 2018, 10:07:48 pm
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Very Crafty but there is some truth to my statement my uncle coached at Smackover in late 70's early 80's
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 22, 2018, 10:12:25 pm
Very Crafty but there is some truth to my statement my uncle coached at Smackover in late 70's early 80's
Sorry grasshopper been hearing these fantasy's since I played in the 60s. People just can't accept the truth. This subject is brought up every year getting old.....
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Quote from: cuz on October 22, 2018, 10:24:09 pm
Sorry grasshopper been hearing these fantasy's since I played in the 60s. People just can't accept the truth. This subject is brought up every year getting old.....
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I know a certain superstar that played at JC that was from across state lines back in the day 🙄🤔
Quote from: Wildcatalumni21 on October 22, 2018, 10:33:03 pm
I know a certain superstar that played at JC that was from across state lines back in the day 🙄🤔
Quote from: cuz on October 22, 2018, 10:40:12 pm
No one has every denied that JC ha La. students they have since the school was stared. Go study Bleudog's posts you could learn from them....
Quote from: cuz on October 22, 2018, 10:43:54 pm
No one has every denied that JC ha La. students they have since the school was stared. Go study Bleudog's posts you could learn from them....
I could care less I was just stating that is one of reasons y'all have more players than most 2a schools kids for Louisiana come there to play football not for educational reasons
It has more to do with winning than where kids live...
Quote from: THA TRUTH on October 23, 2018, 01:32:01 am
It has more to do with winning than where kids live...
Exactly. Pc is one of the largest 2a schools but have a roster of only 24 kids . There's not a football tradition at Pc like JC . Consistent winning brings kids out. Look at West Monroe high school . They Consistently have rosters with over 100 kids every year . When u are consistently competing for titles every year kids come out to play Fb.
Anyone have the link to the bracket?
Quote from: DnA Prostaff on October 23, 2018, 10:30:11 am
Anyone have the link to the bracket?
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/_hOBXMWqEeiAxKkkK9HIDg/BBB928WrEeiAxKkkK9HIDg/football-fall-18/2018-centennial-bank-state-football-playoffs-2018-2a-football-state-bracket-.htm
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 22, 2018, 10:58:14 pm
I could care less I was just stating that is one of reasons y'all have more players than most 2a schools kids for Louisiana come there to play football not for educational reasons
I realize that most will not care, but here goes anyway. I live in La and my children went to Jc. I went to a lot of expense, and trouble, for them to be legally enrolled. It was not for sports, even though all played, but it was the only choice educationally. La had closed both area high schools that were within twenty miles of Jc. The nearest high school, for most of the kids on the La side of Jc, is fifty miles away. Its not all about sports but having a school in your own community to send your children to. You can't fault parents or students for that. There are not hundreds of students roaming the hall of Jc that are hidden or not counted. As far as that goes, there where tons more La students at Jc during the 70s-90s than there are now. Where are all the football championships from that era? If the key to the equation is these super talented La kids, Jc should have been a sports powerhouse for the last 50 years.
I was hoping the La kids bull wouldn't startup again, is there really anything that anyone can say now than hasn't been said for the last 10 years?
Quote from: dragonator on October 23, 2018, 12:22:39 pm
I realize that most will not care, but here goes anyway. I live in La and my children went to Jc. I went to a lot of expense, and trouble, for them to be legally enrolled. It was not for sports, even though all played, but it was the only choice educationally. La had closed both area high schools that were within twenty miles of Jc. The nearest high school, for most of the kids on the La side of Jc, is fifty miles away. Its not all about sports but having a school in your own community to send your children to. You can't fault parents or students for that. There are not hundreds of students roaming the hall of Jc that are hidden or not counted. As far as that goes, there where tons more La students at Jc during the 70s-90s than there are now. Where are all the football championships from that era? If the key to the equation is these super talented La kids, Jc should have been a sports powerhouse for the last 50 years.
People just tell themselves that Junction is only good because they pull kids from Louisiana. Honestly it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Just because they are from another state doesn't make them better than the ones on this side of the border. They have gotten so good because they have had the players and coaches put in hard work, and have a small town tradition helps. People are horrible at making excuses to why they aren't winning, so that's excuse is what people believe. Just a question, how big is Junction City? How's many kids do they have and how big is the town?
Quote from: IdaLions on October 23, 2018, 03:07:19 pm
People just tell themselves that Junction is only good because they pull kids from Louisiana. Honestly it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Just because they are from another state doesn't make them better than the ones on this side of the border. They have gotten so good because they have had the players and coaches put in hard work, and have a small town tradition helps. People are horrible at making excuses to why they aren't winning, so that's excuse is what people believe. Just a question, how big is Junction City? How's many kids do they have and how big is the town?
Both towns have about 550 a piece According to the AAA 175 kids in High school . They usually have 35 to 40 kids on the varsity roster
Quote from: IdaLions on October 23, 2018, 03:07:19 pm
People just tell themselves that Junction is only good because they pull kids from Louisiana. Honestly it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Just because they are from another state doesn't make them better than the ones on this side of the border. They have gotten so good because they have had the players and coaches put in hard work, and have a small town tradition helps. People are horrible at making excuses to why they aren't winning, so that's excuse is what people believe. Just a question, how big is Junction City? How's many kids do they have and how big is the town?
I think they are good because of coach Carpenter and that is why kids from wherever go there when I played Barton back in 91 they had a few players from Memphis area because they had a great coach and were delivering Rings who doesn't want a Ring I wish I had one
Roster
https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/208099/2018_Football_Roster_with_9_Graders.pdf
Quote from: Hasbeen92 on October 23, 2018, 07:38:41 pm
I think they are good because of coach Carpenter and that is why kids from wherever go there when I played Barton back in 91 they had a few players from Memphis area because they had a great coach and were delivering Rings who doesn't want a Ring I wish I had one
I can see that too. Coach Carpenter made a tradition there that will attract more people then most. But so do other powerhouse teams. Either way Junction is always good, they reload very fast. My father played Barton I think in 88. His team had the #1 defense going into the game, and they beat Ida 58-0😂 Said he's never had his rear kicked so bad
Quote from: IdaLions on October 23, 2018, 07:55:06 pm
I can see that too. Coach Carpenter made a tradition there that will attract more people then most. But so do other powerhouse teams. Either way Junction is always good, they reload very fast. My father played Barton I think in 88. His team had the #1 defense going into the game, and they beat Ida 58-0😂 Said he's never had his rear kicked so bad
Barton-only game I ever played that I was nervous before it started they looked like a college team in warm-up they even ran out of locker in a scripted way
Y'all do know that Junction City was pretty bad at football when they were getting kids from Union and Claiborne Parrishes...
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 11:24:33 am
Y'all do know that Junction City was pretty bad at football when they were getting kids from Union and Claiborne Parrishes...
my dad said when he was in school back in the late 70s JC was a very weak team.
And they got those kids without the loophole Charter school back then
The nearest H.S. in Lousiana to JC is Summerfield about 15 miles away, no football team. After that it is sprawled out, not much by way of population until you get closer to Farmerville, which is about 29 miles away. Point being that it is closer for a lot of LA kids to play at Junction than in LA schools. Plus the school system statewide is wanting.
does spearsville still have a school
Quote from: dawgpound on October 31, 2018, 01:54:01 pm
does spearsville still have a school
No. only high schools in union parish now are union parish high and darborne charter
Quote from: IdaLions on October 23, 2018, 03:07:19 pm
People just tell themselves that Junction is only good because they pull kids from Louisiana. Honestly it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Just because they are from another state doesn't make them better than the ones on this side of the border. They have gotten so good because they have had the players and coaches put in hard work, and have a small town tradition helps. People are horrible at making excuses to why they aren't winning, so that's excuse is what people believe. Just a question, how big is Junction City? How's many kids do they have and how big is the town?
662 kids in K-12 this fall
479 of these live north of Stateline Rd
183 of these live south of Stateline Rd
https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/240447/2018-2019_Annual_Report_to_PUBLIC2.pdf
(pages 9 and 10)
The ADE and AAA know about all of them.
Virtually all of these kids live within 8 or 9 miles of the campus.
There is no school campus in Junction City, LA so it's not a pick and choose situation. The district is far from symmetric, but basically if the JC AR campus is closest to your front door, that's the school you go to.
The Junction City, AR campus is literally six blocks or less from the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0167112,-92.7270294,16.25z
The 180 or so LA student count is the maximum established at this time by the Louisiana equivalent of the ADE. There is a waiting list for the charter. Admission involves a lottery as spaces become available. Here's their admission policy. (The reference to 120 students was the cap at the original setup and called for tier increases over time.) They were just approved by LA for another three years.
https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/103417/NECC_Admission_and_enrollment_plan.pdf
NECC is probably the only charter in the country that wasn't formed by parents to get kids out of a school. It was formed by parents to keep their kids in a school their families have been attending for generations.
Thanks once again Bleu for your knowledge and insight on this subject for the 100th time......
Quote from: cuz on November 07, 2018, 08:19:53 am
Thanks once again Bleu for your knowledge and insight on this subject for the 100th time......
I kind of lived the challenge our forefathers did last Sunday.
I was always told Ward 9 ends at that bayou between JC and Summerfield on HWY 9. That bridge not being there was a significant factor in the LA kids going to JC, AR. When the bridge was build in the 30's or so, the policy continued because it made so much sense for a kid to go 12 blocks rather than 12 miles to a school.
That bridge is closed for repairs and won't be available for at least a month. I drive to Minden on Sundays for family obligations so now I'm driving to Bernice then thru Lisbon to get to Homer. Hopefully they'll stay on time and get that bridge back open in the projected time frame. Fingers crossed, but not holding my breath. ;D
Quote from: bleudog on November 06, 2018, 10:26:38 pm
662 kids in K-12 this fall
479 of these live north of Stateline Rd
183 of these live south of Stateline Rd
https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/240447/2018-2019_Annual_Report_to_PUBLIC2.pdf
(pages 9 and 10)
The ADE and AAA know about all of them.
Virtually all of these kids live within 8 or 9 miles of the campus.
There is no school campus in Junction City, LA so it's not a pick and choose situation. The district is far from symmetric, but basically if the JC AR campus is closest to your front door, that's the school you go to.
The Junction City, AR campus is literally six blocks or less from the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0167112,-92.7270294,16.25z
The 180 or so LA student count is the maximum established at this time by the Louisiana equivalent of the ADE. There is a waiting list for the charter. Admission involves a lottery. Here's their admission policy. The reference to 120 students was the cap at the original setup and called for tier increases over time. They were just approved by LA for another three years.
https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/103417/NECC_Admission_and_enrollment_plan.pdf
NECC is probably the only charter in the country that wasn't formed by parents to get kids out of a school. It was formed by parents to keep their kids in a school their families have been attending for generations.
Once a school gets very competitive in all sports, as Junction City has, then it will bring kids from neighboring towns and communities to that school just so they have a better chance of being part of a winning program. To me there is nothing morally or ethically wrong with that. Just because kids are coming from across state lines doesn't necessarily mean they are better athletes, unless they are screening the kids that come across...lol
The question that I have is in regards to something that someone recently told me about Junction City and that is they are not required to count their LA students as part of their student enrollment. I have no idea of whether or not that is true and I'm not trying to imply that it is. However, if that is true, it seems to me that it could give them a little of a competitive advantage since it would give them more students to compete with without having to potentially move up in classification. Does anyone know if that is true?
Serious question. How does the AAA determine if a school is 2A or 3A? JC's high school enrollment numbers for 2016-2018 was 186 kids and was 3A, but the 2018-2020 numbers show 209 kids and puts them in 2A.
Quote from: GatorBall on November 07, 2018, 09:09:01 am
Once a school gets very competitive in all sports, as Junction City has, then it will bring kids from neighboring towns and communities to that school just so they have a better chance of being part of a winning program. To me there is nothing morally or ethically wrong with that. Just because kids are coming from across state lines doesn't necessarily mean they are better athletes, unless they are screening the kids that come across...lol
The question that I have is in regards to something that someone recently told me about Junction City and that is they are not required to count their LA students as part of their student enrollment. I have no idea of whether or not that is true and I'm not trying to imply that it is. However, if that is true, it seems to me that it could give them a little of a competitive advantage since it would give them more students to compete with without having to potentially move up in classification. Does anyone know if that is true?
It is NOT true.
I would advise you to take whatever you hear from that "someone" in the future as coming from a person who has a personal agenda and/or no clue what they are talking about.
ALL STUDENTS are reported to ADE. There is a field in the reporting software for out-of-state students. This is the same reporting software used by all Arkansas schools so you can ask someone at your local school if you'd like. I understand there is a school on the MO that has a few kids in its halls who don't live in Arkansas but obviously not the numbers JC does. The use of the field in the software is, among other things, so that out-of-state kids are counted for athletic classification purposes but the out-of-state kids do not receive Arkansas tax money for their educations.
And no, JC doesn't take the LA kids on for free. There is a contract between the Junction City SD and NECC for JC to be the provider of education services to the NECC kids. The money used to pay for the education of the LA kids comes from LA tax payers.
Again, every kid walking the halls in the JC, AR SD is reported to ADE and that database is what is used by AAA to determine classifications.
Quote from: bleudog on November 07, 2018, 09:24:49 am
It is NOT true.
I would advise you to take whatever you hear from that "someone" in the future as coming from a person who has a personal agenda and/or no clue what they are talking about.
ALL STUDENTS are reported to ADE. There is a field in the reporting software for out-of-state students. This is the same reporting software used by all Arkansas schools so you can ask someone at your local school if you'd like. I understand there is a school on the MO that has a few kids in its halls who don't live in Arkansas but obviously not the numbers JC does. The use of the field in the software is, among other things, so that out-of-state kids are counted for athletic classification purposes but the out-of-state kids do not receive Arkansas tax money for their educations.
And no, JC doesn't take the LA kids on for free. There is a contract between the Junction City SD and NECC for JC to be the provider of education services to the NECC kids. The money used to pay for the education of the LA kids comes from LA tax payers.
Again, every kid walking the halls in the JC, AR SD is reported to ADE and that database is what is used by AAA to determine classifications.
That clarifies it and makes since.
Quote from: Redzone on November 07, 2018, 09:24:29 am
Serious question. How does the AAA determine if a school is 2A or 3A? JC's high school enrollment numbers for 2016-2018 was 186 kids and was 3A, but the 2018-2020 numbers show 209 kids and puts them in 2A.
There's not a specific school size that determines class. The schools are listed largest to smallest and lines are drawn based on how many schools are put in each classification. 2A is the catchall for all football schools left. And there is an adjustment for private schools but I'm not going to get into that.
The 209 you referenced was calculated in error. Here's a summary of how the error occurred and was corrected.
AAA takes ADE attendance numbers for the prior three years of 9th, 10th and 11th grades and averages them to come up with were the schools fall on the list.
ADE used to send JC's numbers to AAA in two different files (in-state and out-of-state). The AAA would combine the number to make sure JC was in the right class. This was probably manual since as far as I know there is no other school that would have an out-of-state student group material enough to affect class changes.
One year during the third year of the average group, ADE combined the two databases in the numbers sent to AAA. AAA still combined the numbers but since ADE had already combined them, that caused one year of LA kids to be counted twice and put JC on the list just above the cut off point.
JC administration didn't appeal and decided to go ahead and play two years in 3A. I guess it was less travel, less chance of having football games cancelled due to 2A schools dropping football and the thought that in the next reclassification JC might actually grow into 3A numbers.
Well the growth didn't happen and during the most recent reclassification, the AAA counted the LA kids twice for all three years. JC administration did appeal and was able to show that there was no longer a need for the AAA to combine the in-state and out-of-state numbers from ADE because ADE is now already doing that. JC won their appeal and were dropped down to 2A where their numbers would have put them if the double up mistake hadn't occurred.
Here's an old post if it helps illustrate.
Quote from: bleudog on May 04, 2017, 09:10:01 pm
JC 2012-2013 (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=23&search=junction%20city&pagesize=10)
9th 47
10th 48
11th 42
137 This number is in-state only. The out-of-state totals were submitted to the ADE who forwards them to AAA to be added.
JC 2013-2014 (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=24&search=junction%20city&pagesize=10)
9th 51
10th 41
11th 49
141 This number is in-state only. The out-of-state totals were submitted to the ADE who forwards them to AAA to be added.
JC 2014-2015 (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=25&search=junction%20city&pagesize=10)
9th 58
10th 66
11th 52
176 This total includes both in-state and out-of-state so no adding in of the second file is needed.
JC 2015-2016 (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=26&search=junction%20city&pagesize=10)
9th 65
10th 52
11th 61
178 This total includes both in-state and out-of-state so no adding in of the second file is needed.
JC 2016-2017 (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=27&search=junction%20city&pagesize=10)
9th 50
10th 62
11th 54
166 This total includes both in-state and out-of-state so no adding in of the second file is needed.
Now keep up colt,
2014-15 176
2015-16 178
2016-17 166
3 YR AVG 173.33 This total includes both in-state and out-of-state so no adding in the second file is needed.
AAA didn't pick up on ADE combining the two student totals after 2013-2014 and AAA failed to stop adding the two data groups together.
It's just math.
For probably the last 20+ years, JC had averaged graduating mid-to-high 50s to low-to-mid 60s. Those numbers include both LA and AR kids and would have during that period had JC as a large 2A school for most cycles.
That's a lot of good info. Thanks for breaking that down
RZ and BG, looks like the links from my older copied post have gone stale.
Here's one to Forman's data if you're interested or want to search other schools.
https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/ReportList/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=29&search=foreman&pagesize=10