Fearless Friday Bulletin Boards

Arkansas High School Football => Class 6A Bulletin Board Material => Topic started by: by-stander on November 28, 2017, 02:01:38 pm

Title: Siloam Springs
Post by: by-stander on November 28, 2017, 02:01:38 pm
Who is the next HC?? 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: southarkdaddy on November 28, 2017, 02:07:46 pm
Brett Beliema
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Okieback on December 01, 2017, 10:59:41 pm
Out of stater
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Coach DePriest, Sheridan on December 01, 2017, 11:08:08 pm
Every coach I've asked say the same name, and he's not an out-of-stater.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on December 02, 2017, 12:28:29 am
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on December 01, 2017, 11:08:08 pm
Every coach I've asked say the same name, and he's not an out-of-stater.

That's an odd name.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: beach bum on December 02, 2017, 03:04:52 pm
No one should want to take this job imo....
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: beach bum on December 02, 2017, 09:26:30 pm
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on December 01, 2017, 11:08:08 pm
Every coach I've asked say the same name, and he's not an out-of-stater.

Btw, I believe its the current Elkins coach who has SS ties.... He is wise to leave Elkins while the "gettin is good" cause Elkins will be a 3 or 4 seed at best in good years in 4A. Most of the time Elkins is finishing 5th or 6th in 4A.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RiverRunner02 on December 02, 2017, 11:08:23 pm
I heard a coach from Kansas is interested. The name escapes me though
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 07:22:08 pm
SS could be a great turnaround story or a great disappointment to a guy trying to build a resume.  05 - 08 was a pretty good stretch for them, Ashcraft?  So what is the key to getting it turned?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on December 04, 2017, 09:33:56 am
Dawson had a good year there and then was followed by a few good years after he left I believe.  Something is missing.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: hogshead04 on December 06, 2017, 05:08:52 pm
Hear a coach from Louisiana has applied. Head Coach from 5A school that was playoff team. Has Arkansas ties.  Interest is low in this job
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on December 06, 2017, 05:42:08 pm
Going to continue to be a tough place to win.  Schedule is pretty tough and the travel is a definite negative.  They have some nice new facilities.  Never hear anyone say much about whats up with that program.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on December 11, 2017, 10:57:28 am
Quote from: hogshead04 on December 06, 2017, 05:08:52 pm
Hear a coach from Louisiana has applied. Head Coach from 5A school that was playoff team. Has Arkansas ties.  Interest is low in this job

Anybody know how many applicants?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on December 14, 2017, 12:16:16 am
Lots of interest in this job.  Over 40 apps.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 15, 2017, 12:57:47 pm
Any names?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on December 16, 2017, 04:18:23 pm
Thats a tough conference and going to take some time and lots of work to get SS turned around and winning.  Whoever they hire better have a tough skin.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on January 11, 2018, 12:04:54 pm
I hear there may have been a hire.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: hogshead04 on January 16, 2018, 10:06:29 am
Who did they hire?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Eagle boss on January 17, 2018, 11:11:44 am
Any more news on this job?  I heard they weren't doing interviews until the end of January. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Any Given Friday on January 18, 2018, 09:10:55 am
Wonder why they are waiting so long?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: southarkdaddy on January 18, 2018, 09:12:12 am
Quote from: Any Given Friday on January 18, 2018, 09:10:55 am
Wonder why they are waiting so long?

Been relatively slow for turnover.  Might want to see some chips start falling to see if they get some more qualified applicants.  Just a guess
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2018, 11:00:55 am
I don't think it is that unusual to take this long amount of time, this is the way most schools seem to do it.  I don't think most schools see an urgent need, I disagree but I aint running the schools athletic departments.  Some schools don't want to hire any sooner than necessary because it means hiring, $$$ and more payroll expense as the ex coach is generally still on staff.  Besides spring ball is months away. 
Other than that I think they are in a tight for a really great hire and they want to get it right.  So many good points in that district yet so many obsticles for winning in football.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 19, 2018, 10:25:16 am
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 07:22:08 pm
SS could be a great turnaround story or a great disappointment to a guy trying to build a resume.  05 - 08 was a pretty good stretch for them, Ashcraft?  So what is the key to getting it turned?

A good coach who can get the maximum effort out of the kids and the staff.  A system that will be good for the type kids they have and one that doesn't rely on one star to make it go. A few years of combined hard work and patience.  You cannot accept poor effort or performance and at the same time you have to realize its going to be step by step, some small some big. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on January 28, 2018, 01:23:22 pm
Any new insights to what is going on with the search, list of names, a philosophy they are looking for?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on January 29, 2018, 04:32:25 pm
They should hire Brandon Craig from Oologah, Ok.  But will probably hire whoever plays nice.
They should have allowed a coach to bring an assistant but they wont do that.
This  administration will not give a new coach the ammo to build and win.
Compare how many assistant coaches we have to all the other 6A schools, we are stuck in the 1980's.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 29, 2018, 06:11:34 pm
Quote from: clipping on January 29, 2018, 04:32:25 pm
They should hire Brandon Craig from Oologah, Ok.  But will probably hire whoever plays nice.
They should have allowed a coach to bring an assistant but they wont do that.
This  administration will not give a new coach the ammo to build and win.
Compare how many assistant coaches we have to all the other 6A schools, we are stuck in the 1980's.

Interesting statement.   Can you add the data to go with it, how many coaches does SS have, are you sure they will not allow the new coach to bring some staff?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on January 30, 2018, 08:45:30 am
Turning this program around is going to require breaking the mold for what many think needs to be done.  I like the phrase, "back to the future". 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Okieback on February 01, 2018, 05:55:58 pm
Out of stater 👀
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Eagle boss on February 02, 2018, 10:59:56 am
Have they hired anyone yet?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on February 02, 2018, 03:29:06 pm
Coach cannot bring an assistant unless one quits.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on February 02, 2018, 03:36:02 pm
Quote from: clipping on February 02, 2018, 03:29:06 pm
Coach cannot bring an assistant unless one quits.

If true that doesn't seem like they are really trying to get it right. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on February 02, 2018, 03:43:41 pm
Unless they have changed it, if a assistant quits that also
Taught history . You were limited to hiring a coach that can
Teach that class.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on February 02, 2018, 03:46:24 pm
I wonder if anyone plans to go?  You often see some departures with a new HC since they often shake up responsibilities among the old staff. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on February 02, 2018, 10:09:27 pm
We have some great coaches on staff just wish we could add 1 or 2 so they are not spread then.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: footballfan-tastic on February 03, 2018, 05:34:43 pm
Quote from: clipping on February 02, 2018, 10:09:27 pm
We have some great coaches on staff just wish we could add 1 or 2 so they are not spread then.

OK, this is going to sound bad but I don't really mean it too.  If you have all these great coaches then why do you not win?  Where is the problem?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: clipping on February 03, 2018, 06:59:55 pm
Brandon Craig is new head coach
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: beach bum on February 03, 2018, 07:48:22 pm
Quote from: clipping on February 03, 2018, 06:59:55 pm
Brandon Craig is new head coach

Is his name Brandon or Craig? .... What's his last name too?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on February 04, 2018, 07:41:18 pm
Anybody know who the last 6 were?  I don't think the applicants were ever revealed.   Good luck to the new guy.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Okieback on February 05, 2018, 08:25:18 am
2 Arkansas guys
4 Oklahoma guys were the finalist
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Okieback on February 05, 2018, 08:29:16 am
Can't get attachment to pull up, it was on twitter

Davis-Marion
Mahan-F'ville
Greenwood-Jenks
Hix- Mid west city
Risenhoover-Stigler
Craig-oolagah
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Pat Swilling on February 05, 2018, 09:12:03 am
sounds like they got a good Coach hired
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 11:37:14 am
What's an Oolagah?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: gameoflife on February 05, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
Pretty good resume.  I hope he does well, he sure has his work cut out for him.  Hopefully he will be able to hire some staff and be able to get the current guys quickly on board with any new changes.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Buck183 on February 15, 2018, 11:08:13 pm
There were over 60 applicants for the job.  The OC from Fayetteville was one of them.  An assistant from Jenk, OK also applied. 

In my opinion bringing someone fresh in from Oklahoma was the best route to go. 

The talent is there for this team to be semi successful in their conference.  I don't think going .500 in conference is an unrealistic expectation. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Buck183 on February 15, 2018, 11:11:03 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2018, 11:37:14 am
What's an Oolagah?

A town in Oklahoma. No different than any of the other towns in Oklahoma that use Cherokee names. There are hundreds of small towns in the state that have names honoring the Native American heritage of the state.  I could go on forever listing them. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on February 16, 2018, 12:13:02 pm
Quote from: Buck183 on February 15, 2018, 11:08:13 pm
There were over 60 applicants for the job.  The OC from Fayetteville was one of them.  An assistant from Jenk, OK also applied. 

In my opinion bringing someone fresh in from Oklahoma was the best route to go. 

The talent is there for this team to be semi successful in their conference.  I don't think going .500 in conference is an unrealistic expectation.

Uphill climb for sure.  When does the new guy arrive on campus? Wonder if any big changes will occur in what they do?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Buck183 on February 17, 2018, 04:26:19 pm
Quote from: RZback on February 16, 2018, 12:13:02 pm
Uphill climb for sure.  When does the new guy arrive on campus? Wonder if any big changes will occur in what they do?

He was on campus last week and had a meeting with the players.  Not sure if he's there full time now or if he just made a visit for the day.  I haven't followed up on it very much. 

Looking forward to hearing feedback from players.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Coach DePriest, Sheridan on February 17, 2018, 10:40:52 pm
Quote from: Buck183 on February 15, 2018, 11:08:13 pm
There were over 60 applicants for the job.  The OC from Fayetteville was one of them.  An assistant from Jenk, OK also applied. 

In my opinion bringing someone fresh in from Oklahoma was the best route to go. 

The talent is there for this team to be semi successful in their conference.  I don't think going .500 in conference is an unrealistic expectation. 
Not sure why bringing in someone from Oklahoma is the best route other than being able to get them for less and for them to not really understand what they are getting themselves into.  To be fair, I have heard the coach they have hired is pretty impressive.  If he was #1 out of 60 applicants, that is probably true.  I do think the other finalists that were listed were very capable as well.  Siloam had to be pleased with the pool they had to choose from.

Now I do think it would be tough for them to go 4-3 in conference this year.  They should beat Hall and likely Sheridan, but then they need to figure out how to sneak away with a win from two of these five: Greenwood, Russellville, Benton, Lake Hamilton, and El Dorado.  Maybe not unrealistic, but not expected by any means.  Hopefully, they scheduled well for non-conference, but I'm assuming Harrison is still on there, and they won't be much easier than what they will see in conference.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Okieback on February 19, 2018, 01:54:28 pm
Well, probably figured that 3 runner-ups in a row, 14,15,16, with small staff and limited resources, that he would be able to do the same at Siloam .

Now Oolagah is a school with money, just not invested in a big staff.  And to be fair he has coached a few D1 kids the last couple years and numerous d2, so it not like he hasn't coached talent. But he's been around and knowshis stuff.
Header Oolagah
And Campus high in Haysville outside of Wichita.
Oc at Del city.
And I think he was either oc or oline at John Marshall.

Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: RZback on February 20, 2018, 12:07:01 am
I heard he had a couple of real studs the last few years.  Was able to line up and overwhelm a lot of the competition is what I heard. I don't know that he can out talent most of that conference he is coming into. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Buck183 on February 20, 2018, 10:25:53 pm
Quote from: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on February 17, 2018, 10:40:52 pm
Not sure why bringing in someone from Oklahoma is the best route other than being able to get them for less and for them to not really understand what they are getting themselves into.  To be fair, I have heard the coach they have hired is pretty impressive.  If he was #1 out of 60 applicants, that is probably true.  I do think the other finalists that were listed were very capable as well.  Siloam had to be pleased with the pool they had to choose from.

Now I do think it would be tough for them to go 4-3 in conference this year.  They should beat Hall and likely Sheridan, but then they need to figure out how to sneak away with a win from two of these five: Greenwood, Russellville, Benton, Lake Hamilton, and El Dorado.  Maybe not unrealistic, but not expected by any means.  Hopefully, they scheduled well for non-conference, but I'm assuming Harrison is still on there, and they won't be much easier than what they will see in conference.

I don't think getting a coach that doesn't know what they're getting into or getting them for cheap either one is a fair statement. 

I certainly can't speak for out administration and what they're thinking was when the process started, but I can give a parental view. (We all know that's the most important).  :)

I think the general concessus by the masses was an overall desire for a completely fresh start. Someone that didn't have any preconceived notions about the program or what it had to offer.  Someone that would throw every playbook out the window, erase the hard drive, and completely start from scratch. 

I spoke to one of our seniors next year while out to dinner tonight.  He's a solid player that has started varsity since his sophomore year. Asked hi. And the parents how the meet and greet went with the new coach.  Their feedback was very positive. He seemed excited to play under the new leadership. Liked the direction coach had planned for their development and workouts.   

As with any new coach and system, time will tell. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: gameoflife on February 22, 2018, 01:56:59 pm
Sounds like the kids are willing and ready to work.  I'm wondering why so much of the search seemed aimed at Oklahoma coaches.  Where were the top Arkansas guys?   That worries me a little.  Not that the guy hired isn't a good coach but that it appears the Arkansas coaching pool wasn't interested? Did they know something?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Buck183 on February 22, 2018, 09:10:24 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on February 22, 2018, 01:56:59 pm
Sounds like the kids are willing and ready to work.  I'm wondering why so much of the search seemed aimed at Oklahoma coaches.  Where were the top Arkansas guys?   That worries me a little.  Not that the guy hired isn't a good coach but that it appears the Arkansas coaching pool wasn't interested? Did they know something?

I'll rephrase to hopefully help clarify.  I don't honestly know that the search was focused there. I think that was more of an assumption by parents and fans than anything.  Maybe this was just the best option for what they had for applicants.  We will never know.  I can assure you anything I type on here is nothing more than speculation. 

Speaking for myself and no one else.......I honestly thought it would be a situation similar to Arkansas.  Basically no one with a pedigree in state would be interested in the job.  My thinking was we would be more apt to get a highly qualified person that wanted the job from Oklahoma rather than Arkansas.  (Given the applicants we got I was obviously wrong) It seems like a highly qualified individual tends to go elsewhere rather than Siloam. Siloam usually hires the up and comer, then after they start having some sort of success, another school writes the check and they go somewhere else for s career they can hang their hat on. Rarely does an established person look to move here. 

I've seen this scenario here in multiple sports going back to the mid 80s. 

The facilities are here.  The fan support is here. The players/athletes are here. 
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Coach DePriest, Sheridan on February 23, 2018, 11:04:09 am
Quote from: Buck183 on February 20, 2018, 10:25:53 pm
I don't think getting a coach that doesn't know what they're getting into or getting them for cheap either one is a fair statement. 

I certainly can't speak for out administration and what they're thinking was when the process started, but I can give a parental view. (We all know that's the most important).  :)

I think the general concessus by the masses was an overall desire for a completely fresh start. Someone that didn't have any preconceived notions about the program or what it had to offer.  Someone that would throw every playbook out the window, erase the hard drive, and completely start from scratch. 

I spoke to one of our seniors next year while out to dinner tonight.  He's a solid player that has started varsity since his sophomore year. Asked hi. And the parents how the meet and greet went with the new coach.  Their feedback was very positive. He seemed excited to play under the new leadership. Liked the direction coach had planned for their development and workouts.   

As with any new coach and system, time will tell. 
It is more than a fair statement.  An Oklahoma coach does not know what it's like to face the teams that Siloam will be facing in conference...especially armed with the discrepancy in athletes that normally exists as well as the discrepancy in number of coaches.  As for the pay, were either of the Arkansas finalists not going to have to take a pay cut to take the job?  If they wanted an Arkansas guy, they were most likely going to have to pay him more than what the current salary schedule and index called for, or the guy would have just taken a pay cut.

I get what you are saying about fresh start, I just don't know that it is an advantage.  I think you could make a valid argument for either one.  I would be more interested in a guy that knows the situation and still wants the job versus the guy that doesn't know or just thinks he knows the situation.  I do think that all of those 6 finalists would have been "Someone that would throw every playbook out the window, erase the hard drive, and completely start from scratch."

Please understand that I am not disparaging the hire.  I think it is a good hire, but it does not have as much to do with where the guy coached previously as it does the success he has had and the type of guy he is (from what I've heard).
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: footballfan-tastic on February 24, 2018, 08:14:25 pm
From what I hear the new guy is running about what Siloam has been running on O and D.  Not a throw away the playbook and do something totally new.  As one poster stated, "the player/athletes are here." If true what does that say about the previous coaches?  I don't think any new coaches are moving with the new guy, at least not unless someone leaves. Pay in OK would drive just about anybody, except at a few of the big schools who are able to determine coaches salaries, to leave and come to AR and be receiving a pay raise. If SS is going to crawl out of the bottom of the 6A its going to require the new HC to be something special.  Not so much x and O's but changing the belief structure of the players and getting them to do something they haven't done so far.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: Iknewthemwhen on February 26, 2018, 10:32:15 pm
Don't most coaches do a decent job?  Ultimately it comes down to quality of athletes for the top teams.  I find it hard to believe that SS has the same qualtiy of athletes as say, Greenwood but cannot win more than a couple of games a year, year after year.  If it is not quality of athletes then why do the same schools win pretty consistantly and then have a sudden down year where they win 3-5, even the good ones often see this. I know the coaches forgot how to coach for a while.
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: gameoflife on March 06, 2018, 01:29:41 pm
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on February 26, 2018, 10:32:15 pm
Don't most coaches do a decent job?  Ultimately it comes down to quality of athletes for the top teams.  I find it hard to believe that SS has the same qualtiy of athletes as say, Greenwood but cannot win more than a couple of games a year, year after year.  If it is not quality of athletes then why do the same schools win pretty consistantly and then have a sudden down year where they win 3-5, even the good ones often see this. I know the coaches forgot how to coach for a while.

You may have hit the nail on the head.  Good athletes usually win when the program is managed well and they train and work hard.  SS has had problems for a long time maintaining a consistently winning fb program.   Was it Dawson and Ashcraft that had the pretty good run for 3-4 years back around 10-15 years back?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: coachwinn33 on March 10, 2018, 12:03:23 am
m
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: gameoflife on March 22, 2018, 04:30:02 pm
How things looking at SS?  New head coach on campus yet?
Title: Re: Siloam Springs
Post by: sssuperpantherfan2 on July 30, 2018, 05:38:45 am
New coach is here and there is a renewed hope in the program and players.